I have stated the same concerns on Burrow that I stated on Haskins - the potential one hit wonder syndrome.
But it's clearer to me that Burrow has better attributes than Haskins at this point. You could make a video about QB mechanics using Burrow as your model.
Do you agree that the SEC is the best conference in college football? Do you agree that four of the best programs in the country are Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida?
My guess is yes to all of that.
So...do you know what Burrows stats were in those games?
Literally not one single soul alive was discussing any of Joe Burrow's traits or mechanics 12 months ago. He started last season too. I know his numbers against Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida from 2018... he threw just 1 TD pass in 4 games combined with a 50% completion percentage. So the question becomes is this growth or a perfect confluence of events?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I choose to be majorly skeptical.
A perfect confluence of events over the course of a full season against that level of competition seems entirely impossible. You cant even really relate it to Dwaune Haskins, considering schedule and Haskins' significant experience gap.
His free agent pickups have been an absolute disaster. I like his first 2 drafts but they hinge on DJ being a franchise QB. We will know at the end of 2020 season a lot more about DJ.
With $50 + million in cap this offseason, I don’t trust DG making the right decisions on free agents.
I would really hope Mara grows a set and cleans house this offseason. That includes a change in pro personnel department.
My heart tells me that won’t happen. Let’s see
The kid performed well on the worst team in the league, with the worst offensive line in the league, under the worst coach in the league, and with two of his starting WRs and TE missing significant time
Then some of you want to sit here and tell us that someone else in the upcoming draft would be a better prospect? Really? We know this how? Because of grading? He would be coming here to play beer the same conditions I referenced above.
I agree, and would add that if Gettleman goes, Chris Mara has to go.
This is the biggest problem though - if the decision is made to retain Gettleman, what's the likelihood that the same justification used to spare Gettleman doesn't also get applied to Mara?
That's the one thing you'd have to hope if the team did hand over the reigns to Rivera, that he comes in and says 'OK, I expect more control over personnel, and that guy (pointing to Mara) needs to spend more time at the stables'.
I agree, and would add that if Gettleman goes, Chris Mara has to go.
This is the biggest problem though - if the decision is made to retain Gettleman, what's the likelihood that the same justification used to spare Gettleman doesn't also get applied to Mara?
That's the one thing you'd have to hope if the team did hand over the reigns to Rivera, that he comes in and says 'OK, I expect more control over personnel, and that guy (pointing to Mara) needs to spend more time at the stables'.
Hopefully internally they have a better idea of who was behind what decision. Given the numerous 180s this team has bald you got a think they’re pulling in opposite directions
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I have stated the same concerns on Burrow that I stated on Haskins - the potential one hit wonder syndrome.
But it's clearer to me that Burrow has better attributes than Haskins at this point. You could make a video about QB mechanics using Burrow as your model.
Do you agree that the SEC is the best conference in college football? Do you agree that four of the best programs in the country are Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida?
My guess is yes to all of that.
So...do you know what Burrows stats were in those games?
Literally not one single soul alive was discussing any of Joe Burrow's traits or mechanics 12 months ago. He started last season too. I know his numbers against Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida from 2018... he threw just 1 TD pass in 4 games combined with a 50% completion percentage. So the question becomes is this growth or a perfect confluence of events?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I choose to be majorly skeptical.
Of course the numbers are different for Burrow from 2018 to 2019. Joe Brady arrived in 2019. An offensive savant who worked under Sean Payton with the Saints.
Look, I get it. I'm the Chairman of the "Careful with the One Hit Wonder Club".
But sometimes the light finally goes on and a player gets it. I think with the arrival of Joe Brady, that's what happened with Burrow this year. And his turnaround was in the SEC against the best competition in the country, not the Big 12 and their various types of swiss cheese.
Forget all of his gaudy numbers, just watch his pocket movements, his ability to stay poised, how he keeps his head up when the pocket collapses, etc. It's good stuff. And those qualities go a long way towards NFL success...
He hasn't been as great as many here seem to want to believe. He's at 6.4 YPA (31st in NFL above Trubisky and Rudolph), has a 3% INT rate (27th in NFL), 8.2% sack rate (28th in NFL), and leads the league with 15 fumbles.
The offense was poor with him at the helm (19 PPG), and the team went 2-10 in his starts. He did not elevate this team in any provable way. Every argument supporting his case as a franchise QB is going to have to be couched and rationalized with poor coaching and poor offensive line play. The degree to which that is accurate is debatable and objective, but based solely on what we know concretely...I fail to see a franchise QB anywhere in this picture.
I'm not saying he can't be a franchise QB, I'm saying he hasn't been one to this point...and we may have a shot to draft what I'm guessing will universally be considered a better prospect.
I like Jones and want him to succeed, but I'm done hoping for good things to just happen out of nowhere.
This is my take as well. I went bananas after his first two starts (and preseason) but reality set in fast. And I’ve seen too many young QBs flame out in similar fashion. Fool me once. I still like jones but nothing should be off the table no matter how painful it might seem. With that said this isn’t josh rosen either. Jones did flash more than a guy like rosen did despite similarly shitty situations. Jones could have played a lot worse this year.
Playing QB for this team requires more then just gaudy stats.
I don't think Burrow would handle the spotlight here very well.
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I have stated the same concerns on Burrow that I stated on Haskins - the potential one hit wonder syndrome.
But it's clearer to me that Burrow has better attributes than Haskins at this point. You could make a video about QB mechanics using Burrow as your model.
Do you agree that the SEC is the best conference in college football? Do you agree that four of the best programs in the country are Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida?
My guess is yes to all of that.
So...do you know what Burrows stats were in those games?
Literally not one single soul alive was discussing any of Joe Burrow's traits or mechanics 12 months ago. He started last season too. I know his numbers against Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida from 2018... he threw just 1 TD pass in 4 games combined with a 50% completion percentage. So the question becomes is this growth or a perfect confluence of events?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I choose to be majorly skeptical.
A perfect confluence of events over the course of a full season against that level of competition seems entirely impossible. You cant even really relate it to Dwaune Haskins, considering schedule and Haskins' significant experience gap.
With $50 + million in cap this offseason, I don’t trust DG making the right decisions on free agents.
I would really hope Mara grows a set and cleans house this offseason. That includes a change in pro personnel department.
My heart tells me that won’t happen. Let’s see
Then some of you want to sit here and tell us that someone else in the upcoming draft would be a better prospect? Really? We know this how? Because of grading? He would be coming here to play beer the same conditions I referenced above.
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Chris Mara has to go.
I agree, and would add that if Gettleman goes, Chris Mara has to go.
This is the biggest problem though - if the decision is made to retain Gettleman, what's the likelihood that the same justification used to spare Gettleman doesn't also get applied to Mara?
That's the one thing you'd have to hope if the team did hand over the reigns to Rivera, that he comes in and says 'OK, I expect more control over personnel, and that guy (pointing to Mara) needs to spend more time at the stables'.
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Chris Mara has to go.
I agree, and would add that if Gettleman goes, Chris Mara has to go.
This is the biggest problem though - if the decision is made to retain Gettleman, what's the likelihood that the same justification used to spare Gettleman doesn't also get applied to Mara?
That's the one thing you'd have to hope if the team did hand over the reigns to Rivera, that he comes in and says 'OK, I expect more control over personnel, and that guy (pointing to Mara) needs to spend more time at the stables'.
Hopefully internally they have a better idea of who was behind what decision. Given the numerous 180s this team has bald you got a think they’re pulling in opposite directions
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I have stated the same concerns on Burrow that I stated on Haskins - the potential one hit wonder syndrome.
But it's clearer to me that Burrow has better attributes than Haskins at this point. You could make a video about QB mechanics using Burrow as your model.
Do you agree that the SEC is the best conference in college football? Do you agree that four of the best programs in the country are Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida?
My guess is yes to all of that.
So...do you know what Burrows stats were in those games?
Literally not one single soul alive was discussing any of Joe Burrow's traits or mechanics 12 months ago. He started last season too. I know his numbers against Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida from 2018... he threw just 1 TD pass in 4 games combined with a 50% completion percentage. So the question becomes is this growth or a perfect confluence of events?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I choose to be majorly skeptical.
Of course the numbers are different for Burrow from 2018 to 2019. Joe Brady arrived in 2019. An offensive savant who worked under Sean Payton with the Saints.
Look, I get it. I'm the Chairman of the "Careful with the One Hit Wonder Club".
But sometimes the light finally goes on and a player gets it. I think with the arrival of Joe Brady, that's what happened with Burrow this year. And his turnaround was in the SEC against the best competition in the country, not the Big 12 and their various types of swiss cheese.
Forget all of his gaudy numbers, just watch his pocket movements, his ability to stay poised, how he keeps his head up when the pocket collapses, etc. It's good stuff. And those qualities go a long way towards NFL success...
Nada.
The offense was poor with him at the helm (19 PPG), and the team went 2-10 in his starts. He did not elevate this team in any provable way. Every argument supporting his case as a franchise QB is going to have to be couched and rationalized with poor coaching and poor offensive line play. The degree to which that is accurate is debatable and objective, but based solely on what we know concretely...I fail to see a franchise QB anywhere in this picture.
I'm not saying he can't be a franchise QB, I'm saying he hasn't been one to this point...and we may have a shot to draft what I'm guessing will universally be considered a better prospect.
I like Jones and want him to succeed, but I'm done hoping for good things to just happen out of nowhere.
This is my take as well. I went bananas after his first two starts (and preseason) but reality set in fast. And I’ve seen too many young QBs flame out in similar fashion. Fool me once. I still like jones but nothing should be off the table no matter how painful it might seem. With that said this isn’t josh rosen either. Jones did flash more than a guy like rosen did despite similarly shitty situations. Jones could have played a lot worse this year.