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There will be a dearth of players hitting FA next year

Zeke's Alibi : 12/10/2019 10:52 am
I keep seeing all these threads about who we are going to sign in FA and killing DG for the LW trade. Newsflash most teams are in good enough cap shape to resigm their own. Thata why their was a trade market for LW to begin with. Jalen Ramsey just got traded tanking Yannicks chances of hitting market. Castonzo is resigning unless he demands a long term deal which he may, so we ready to sign a 31 year old LT to a five year deal. Some of you live in fantasy land.
Huh?  
Josh in the City : 12/10/2019 10:53 am : link
These guys mostly follow the money in FA. If we loved LW so much we could have signed him without giving up two mid round draft picks.
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BleedBlue : 12/10/2019 10:54 am : link
this is true, but guys like littleton and schobert can hit the market. the browns have mack wilson who has looked really good and the rams traded for ramsey increasing the amount of money spent on the defense. one of those guys to play alongside connelly next year could go a LONG way to improving our defense
I think that's fair  
V.I.G. : 12/10/2019 10:54 am : link
the bid/ask in the FA market is going feel nuts - but that will be the market.
free agency  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/10/2019 10:55 am : link
has been the same for quite some time now. There are only about 10 quality free agents who hit the open market, and rarely are any of them difference makers.

So you have an absurd spending spree in the first 24-48 hours, a pause, and then another rush for guys with significant warts.

Sometimes you get more lucky when a team cuts a player (i.e., Antrel Rolle).
I  
AcidTest : 12/10/2019 10:55 am : link
don't want any big name FAs. It's a "quick fix" that rarely works. Reese tried it with Harrison, Jenkins, and Vernon, and it failed. Build through the draft and second tier FAs.
This is true  
GiantEgo : 12/10/2019 10:58 am : link
The Giants are about the last team to fix cap problems. Everybody has space or find ways to create it.
Draft and OL and go for pass rushers...  
nzyme : 12/10/2019 11:01 am : link
Not sold on Chase Young.
Thank you Zeke  
cosmicj : 12/10/2019 11:02 am : link
Preach it.
RE: I  
Thankyoueli : 12/10/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14712515 AcidTest said:
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don't want any big name FAs. It's a "quick fix" that rarely works. Reese tried it with Harrison, Jenkins, and Vernon, and it failed. Build through the draft and second tier FAs.


You get good players when you have the chance or you dont get them.

It's not about a quick fix it's about getting good players in the building. At some point that needs to happen.

Banking on 3 grand slam drafts and than resigning them all when the time comes is not a reasonable strategy.

You need to do well in both the draft and FA. 1st round picks and big contract FAs can both bust, and both are equally damaging.
Sign Clowney  
Vanzetti : 12/10/2019 11:11 am : link
Guy is coming into his own. He is relentless and plays harder than anyone on the field.

Not taking plays off like he did with the Texans. He is also a very vocal leader on the field. Holding guys accountable.

Draft Young, Sign Clowney, Resign Williams and you are talking about a 4-3 DL that could be absolutely dominant.

And just for the record, Williams is a 4-3 DT not a 3-4 DE
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christian : 12/10/2019 11:14 am : link
There is over 4 billion dollars in open cap space in the NFL over the next 2 years.

As many as 7 teams who will be in the playoffs this year have more spending power than the Giants.

The notion the Giants, a potential 2-14 team, with a brand new coach, and average spending power, are going to walk into UFA, and re-mkae this team is ridiculous.
RE: Huh?  
BMac : 12/10/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14712501 Josh in the City said:
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These guys mostly follow the money in FA. If we loved LW so much we could have signed him without giving up two mid round draft picks.


This fantasy continues to persist. Befuddling. Maybe he's just Joshin'.
RE: RE: Huh?  
Josh in the City : 12/10/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14712620 BMac said:
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In comment 14712501 Josh in the City said:


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These guys mostly follow the money in FA. If we loved LW so much we could have signed him without giving up two mid round draft picks.



This fantasy continues to persist. Befuddling. Maybe he's just Joshin'.

You disagree?
Cap  
giant power : 12/10/2019 12:17 pm : link
So what should the Giants do with their 100 mil of cap space, spend it on beer?
RE: Sign Clowney  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/10/2019 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14712577 Vanzetti said:
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Guy is coming into his own. He is relentless and plays harder than anyone on the field.

Not taking plays off like he did with the Texans. He is also a very vocal leader on the field. Holding guys accountable.

Draft Young, Sign Clowney, Resign Williams and you are talking about a 4-3 DL that could be absolutely dominant.

And just for the record, Williams is a 4-3 DT not a 3-4 DE


Lol this guy shows up when he wants to get paid. Exactly what we need! DeMarcus Lawrence is a similar story, ask Cowboys fans how they feel about him.
Clooney had one good game in prime time so now we need to  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/10/2019 12:32 pm : link
back up the brinks trunk for him? Jesus fucking christ make it stop!
When Jalen Ramsey was traded, I thought the same thing that Yannick  
Diver_Down : 12/10/2019 12:37 pm : link
won't hit FA. But with Jags being forced to eat a massive shit burger on Foles signing bonus and potentially even having to pay part of his guaranteed salary to facilitate a trade, they may not be able to afford Yannick.
RE: Cap  
gmenatlarge : 12/10/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14712823 giant power said:
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So what should the Giants do with their 100 mil of cap space, spend it on beer?


They could at least buy a round for the house for having to watch this crap!!!
RE: Clooney had one good game in prime time so now we need to  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/10/2019 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14712866 Zeke's Alibi said:
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back up the brinks trunk for him? Jesus fucking christ make it stop!

Maybe we can trade a few picks for him so that we can tag him.
RE: Cap  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/10/2019 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14712823 giant power said:
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So what should the Giants do with their 100 mil of cap space, spend it on beer?

$100M?

I guess "giant power" doesn't include things like "look something up on the internet"
Look up on-line  
giant power : 12/10/2019 3:07 pm : link
I know our cap space as well as you or anyone, and it will be way above 63 mil after this off-seasons cuts.
RE: Cap  
christian : 12/10/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14712823 giant power said:
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So what should the Giants do with their 100 mil of cap space, spend it on beer?


Well with their 60M in cap space they can either 1) spend it 2) cut a bunch of players to get anywhere near 100M and compete with much better teams for a few players. But then, ya know, pray to chicken bones they can replace everyone they cut?
RE: free agency  
Eric on Li : 12/10/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14712513 Eric from BBI said:
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has been the same for quite some time now. There are only about 10 quality free agents who hit the open market, and rarely are any of them difference makers.

So you have an absurd spending spree in the first 24-48 hours, a pause, and then another rush for guys with significant warts.

Sometimes you get more lucky when a team cuts a player (i.e., Antrel Rolle).


Bingo. And of the top guys, usually at least a few come from a team that amplified their skills (like NE re: Trent Brown, Nate Solder, and Trey Flowers) who don't really live up to the difference maker price tag.

I think we'd be well served going forward to try to stick to mostly inflated AAV short term deals and a few mid-tier signings like Golden Tate who can help fill holes for a few seasons. Obviously the younger the better.

Maybe once or twice a year you can roll the dice on a multi-year deal for a young ascending player (like Preston Smith or Zadarius Smith last year), but those kinds of breakouts are rare. LW fits that bill this year, which is why I'd seize the opportunity to keep him on a 1 year deal even if the AAV is slightly inflated.
$100m is too much to spend  
AdamBrag : 12/10/2019 3:30 pm : link
But, if the Giants have a ton in FA, they do have options. Two outside the box ones:

1) Sell their cap space for draft picks - Like how the Browns got a 2nd round pick for absorbing Brock Osweiller's $17m a year contract.

2) Creative contract structuring - Let's say Clowney hits the FA market and we want to sign him. He'll cost about $100m over 5 years. We could pay him $50m in Year 1 and $12.5m a year afterwards.
RE: Look up on-line  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/10/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14713241 giant power said:
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I know our cap space as well as you or anyone, and it will be way above 63 mil after this off-seasons cuts.

How about you fire up that dial-up modem and map out a path to $100M in cap space for 2020?
RE: $100m is too much to spend  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/10/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14713308 AdamBrag said:
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But, if the Giants have a ton in FA, they do have options. Two outside the box ones:

1) Sell their cap space for draft picks - Like how the Browns got a 2nd round pick for absorbing Brock Osweiller's $17m a year contract.

2) Creative contract structuring - Let's say Clowney hits the FA market and we want to sign him. He'll cost about $100m over 5 years. We could pay him $50m in Year 1 and $12.5m a year afterwards.

I wouldn't bother working toward a plan for $100M in cap space. It's not what the Giants have, and it's not what the Giants CAN have. It's a complete error by that poster who doesn't know a salary cap from a baseball cap.
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