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Touchdown maker : 12/10/2019 10:57 am
I’m surprised by the seemingly surprised reaction from the fans on this board after a loss. The team is what it is. It’s frankly boring rehashing the same tired storylines after each loss. We get it, Shurmur stinks.

Let’s look at some of the things trending in a positive direction.

1) The 2019 rookie class had a great game last night even with Jones off the field. Slatyon and Xman both played big time games. 5/150/2tds for Slayton and 2 sacks for the xman after being quiet for a few weeks. Dexter showed up on quite a few plays including a stop on 3rd and 1. Baker probably played his best game and Julian Love is flashing. Love missed a few tackles but they seemed like overzealous rookie plays. He seems like a heady player who could fill our FS role next year. Add in Jones and Connelly and this is a draft that is going to produce quite a few starters and some solid rotation players.

2) Dalvin Tomlinson has been a beast since the Leonard Williams trade. I know Sy has pointed this out quite a few times in his game reviews but it showed up last night too. In fact, our interior DLine rotation next year will be very strong. Dexter, Williams, Tomlinson and Hill is a good rotation that can stay fresh. These guys will only be better if we get the added bonus of more consistent edge rushing (chase young).

3) Markus Golden was an absolute find. He’s not a great player by any stretch but at 26 years old he’s a guy we can probably resign to a value contract. 3/33 million, something in that range. Golden plays his ass off and is a good character guy. IF we can land Young,. Put Golden opposite of him and get continued improvement from the Xman we have a solid pass rush rotation combined with interior depth.

Lol Golden 3 for 33 .....Make it stop!!!!  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/10/2019 10:59 am : link
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Below are the rest of the positives...  
gmen4ever : 12/10/2019 10:59 am : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/10/2019 10:59 am : link
David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy
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#giants DT Dalvin Tomlinson has been playing the best football of his young career the past 5-6 weeks

#GiantsPride
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Touchdown maker : 12/10/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14712527 Eric from BBI said:
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David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy
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#giants DT Dalvin Tomlinson has been playing the best football of his young career the past 5-6 weeks

#GiantsPride


Nice i’ve Been trying to find Sy on twitter.

I get everyone’s upset but i’ve Been over it for weeks. There are good things happening on the field.
RE: Lol Golden 3 for 33 .....Make it stop!!!!  
Touchdown maker : 12/10/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14712525 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Great input.
The Reese years have lowered the bar  
V.I.G. : 12/10/2019 11:04 am : link
GMs are supposed to find starters in the draft. Finding them doesn't make you great, it means you're doing your job. And for all the draft capital we've had in '18/'19 - it's been an average job.

Then look at the body of FA/Trades/Coaching Selection - DG has been closer to failure than savior.
RE: The Reese years have lowered the bar  
Touchdown maker : 12/10/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14712546 V.I.G. said:
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GMs are supposed to find starters in the draft. Finding them doesn't make you great, it means you're doing your job. And for all the draft capital we've had in '18/'19 - it's been an average job.

Then look at the body of FA/Trades/Coaching Selection - DG has been closer to failure than savior.


You’re not supposed to find 3 plus starter in every draft. Thats false. I think we can safely say that Dexter and Slayton are future NFL starters. Jones obviously has a chance. Love and Baker as well. Xman perhaps a rotational pass rusher. If you had that every draft you’d be the best team in the NFL.
Cody Core  
flycatcher : 12/10/2019 11:09 am : link
One of the best gunners in the league
Its hard for many to see the positives when you lose  
Gettledogman : 12/10/2019 11:09 am : link
but there are many positives the draft class continues to flash. The team has talent it needs to add more and get the D and OL fixed. Saquaon looked like he is regaining strength his ankle still looks iffy tho, that first plant and cut he left the field. He will be ok next year. Kid is explosive with the ball. The DL played well until the end they were out of gas. We need LBrs in a bad way. But you can see how it is being built. This FA and draft will completely alter the team going forward. There are many players who are not 2nd teams let alone 1st teams. The coaching needs to be replaced. I am very disappointed in Bettcher, Schumer did the main thing I wanted him to help find the next franchise QB. He did. Warts and all DJ is a player.
Baker was playing against  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/10/2019 11:10 am : link
practice squad players -- let's not let it get too much emphasis
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gmen4ever : 12/10/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14712543 Touchdown maker said:
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In comment 14712527 Eric from BBI said:


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David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy
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12h
#giants DT Dalvin Tomlinson has been playing the best football of his young career the past 5-6 weeks

#GiantsPride



Nice i’ve Been trying to find Sy on twitter.

I get everyone’s upset but i’ve Been over it for weeks. There are good things happening on the field.



TDM, I think its great to have some optimism, and I mean that. Thank you for bringing it up. But it does not always translate to wins. We have seen improvement in the secondary, the DL, Danny Jones but no such improvement has helped us win games. They WILL translate to wins next year and beyond with the right coaches and the right play calling which we don't have today. Have a good day.
Chase Young  
Touchdown maker : 12/10/2019 11:11 am : link
And signing a player like Littleton from the Rams would make this defense significantly better.
RE: Cody Core  
Touchdown maker : 12/10/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14712562 flycatcher said:
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One of the best gunners in the league


Our punt coverage has been outstanding all year. Hard to care in such a los year but that’s true. Core has been outstanding as a gunner.
I'm saving my positivity until after the draft and coach/GM firings.  
bceagle05 : 12/10/2019 11:18 am : link
Chase Young and good coaching will give me some reasons for optimism.

Young
Lawrence
Tomlinson
Williams (even if overpaid)
Connelly (not special, but a massive upgrade over current LBs)

That has the makings of a good front seven, should things unfold that way.
RE: Baker was playing against  
Vanzetti : 12/10/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14712566 gidiefor said:
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practice squad players -- let's not let it get too much emphasis


That's true. But it was also clearly his best game. First time he looked like a legit NFL CB. Still plays patty cake too much when attempting to "tackle" guys coming straight at him. But his coverage was good.

Beal also demonstrates a natural ability to stick with his man. Yes, some stupid penalties. But those are "rookie" mistakes.

As a converted CB, tackling is not Love's strong point. Probably never will be. But he was all over the place last night. He just barely missed making some plays that would have changed the outcome.

Ximenes also flashed. This was definitely the best showing by far for the young defensive players. If Eli had gained more than two first downs in the second half and given the D some rest, they would have won the game
We  
Andrew in Austin : 12/10/2019 11:31 am : link
didn't turn the ball over this game. That was new and positive!
Agree  
WillVAB : 12/10/2019 11:58 am : link
We’re seeing some positive things from the young guys who will be the core of the team moving forward.

I’ve said multiple times the DL is a damn near finished product. Young plus a FA edge will seal the deal.

We’re seeing potential from guys in the secondary.

Jones, Barkley, and the skill guys are talented.

Find a good coach. Fix the OL. Finish the job on the DL. Find some competent LBs. That should be the plan this off-season.
The Giants team has a great many protons  
NoGainDayne : 12/10/2019 12:03 pm : link
I’m fairly certain at this point Solder was not just trying to get Daniel Jones killed

RE: RE: The Reese years have lowered the bar  
uther99 : 12/10/2019 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14712550 Touchdown maker said:
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In comment 14712546 V.I.G. said:


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GMs are supposed to find starters in the draft. Finding them doesn't make you great, it means you're doing your job. And for all the draft capital we've had in '18/'19 - it's been an average job.

Then look at the body of FA/Trades/Coaching Selection - DG has been closer to failure than savior.



You’re not supposed to find 3 plus starter in every draft. Thats false. I think we can safely say that Dexter and Slayton are future NFL starters. Jones obviously has a chance. Love and Baker as well. Xman perhaps a rotational pass rusher. If you had that every draft you’d be the best team in the NFL.


Fans think we should get 5 starters per draft. The average is probably 2 starters per draft.
The positive  
David B. : 12/10/2019 12:18 pm : link
It looks like Gettleman drafted Eli's successor. IF Jones is the next great, Giants QB for the next 10-15 years, every mistake he's made or makes, probably pales by comparison.

If I were to list who I personally feel are DEFINITE, core, keepers from the current roster, it's the guys below. An * denotes too early to give up on them.

Leonard Williams
Dalvin Tomlinson
Dexter Lawrence
(DT is the strength of the team. But IMO, these guys will start looking much better with some edge rushers other teams have to worry about or double team).


Markus Golden
Lorenzo Carter*
Oshane Ximines*
(Adding a stud pass rusher here would make all of these guys more effective)

Deandre Baker*
Corey Ballentine*
Sam Beal*
J. Peppers*
Julian Love*
(This is the big ? How many of these guys turn into solid starters or more?)

W. Hernandez
K. Zeitler
N. Gates*
one of the OCs for backup.
OL still needs huge upgrade

D. Slayton
G. Tate
S. Sheppard

Barkley
Gallman
Jones

Rojas*
Dixon

That's 23 guys -- less than half a roster. But those guys are mostly ALL young, with their best days in front of them. The only ones on that list Gettleman did NOT acquire are Gallman, Sheppard, and Tomlinson. That's the "young core." And IMO, it has promise.

Hopefully this offseason adds either Chase Young or a stud OT with the high pick, and more young Edge, D back 7 and OL talent.

This is a REBUILD. It's always BEEN a REBUILD. Regardless of what the management says. And it's not finished.
RE: Cody Core  
5BowlsSoon : 12/10/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14712562 flycatcher said:
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One of the best gunners in the league


Nice find....Core is a beast and I hope we lock him up for several more years. It’s nice to trust your ST players now.
Leonard Williams  
gmenatlarge : 12/10/2019 12:36 pm : link
You guys realize he is playing for a contract, right! I was listening to Joe and Evan and both of them were saying that was one of the best games they have ever seen out of LW. If they sign this guy he will revert to being the disappointment he was for the Jets, just making a lot more money, another DG screwup!
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