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Chase Young - I think he's a better fit as a 3-4 ER

Anakim : 12/10/2019 11:18 am

Granted Young plays most of his downs with his hand in the dirt, but I was watching his game against Penn State last night (I needed to console myself after the debacle I had just witnessed), and I noticed that most of his damage was done off the edge where he was able to use his amazing speed and athleticism.

I post this because the narrative I've been hearing around here and on the Draft Network is that he's a "prototypical" 4-3 DE because he's such a technician with his hands and has a rare speed-to-power transition. While this is true, I think he will be at his most effective standing up and rushing the passer where he can use his quickness and elite first step to get around the OT and get to the QB.

It�s great his damage is done from the edge

Tuckrule : 12/10/2019 11:20 am : link

But can he drop back into coverage? Can he cover the back in the flat these are the things an edge player has to do especially one that�s taken a 2 overall. We all know he can get after the qb. That�s the obvious

My untrained eye

LakeGeorgeGiant : 12/10/2019 11:23 am : link

sees a player that could thrive in either system. I agree that he could certainly play OLB in a 3-4. Preferably ours.

Can't wait for Sy's take.

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BleedBlue : 12/10/2019 11:24 am : link

bosa was drafted where? he does what? thats right he rushed the passer. we dont need chase in coverage. he is going to have his hand in the dirt on some front and be standing others. the kid will be a 3 down pass rusher off the edge. he plays with enough leverage to play the run. overall he is the best player in the draft.

I think he's scheme diverse

JonC : 12/10/2019 11:28 am : link

my question is does he have the burst to be elite.

IMO he is a classic 4-3 DE

Vanzetti : 12/10/2019 11:28 am : link

a la Strahan and Tuck.

Giants have basically abandoned the 3-4 anyway. And with Bettcher almost certainly getting canned, Giants will probably become a 4-3 defense

I think he's going to be excellent regardless of the scheme.

shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/10/2019 11:29 am : link

Switching to a 4-3 would allow the Giants to turn DT into a position of depth and strength (assuming they re-sign Leonard Williams) and would really take the pressure off having to find LBs. With the amount of plays that teams use nickel personnel, you only need 2 "starting caliber/good" linebackers and a third for depth. They could sign another DE off of the street and still use Ximenes as a passing down pass rush specialist.

nah

BleedBlue : 12/10/2019 11:31 am : link

i think they are going to stay in the 34.

add chase young. add an ILB to play next to connelly and resign golden and williams and you have a pretty nice front 7.

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I believe Young is versatile

Rjanyg : 12/10/2019 11:31 am : link

He is built a lot like Z'Darius Smith. He can play in either scheme which is what the NFL seems to be trending toward. Ironically he would be a great fit in Bettchers scheme but I doubt Bettcher will be here to coach him.

I have seen him drop into coverage and look very natural, so that shouldn't be an issue.

RE: It�s great his damage is done from the edge

Anakim : 12/10/2019 11:37 am : link

In comment 14712621 Tuckrule said:

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He was asked to do that quite a bit. I think Schiano did that a lot with him last year.

Not sure what you're talking about.

mittenedman : 12/10/2019 11:51 am : link

He's an obvious 43 DE and a 43 DE is an Edge Rusher.

RE: Not sure what you're talking about.

Anakim : 12/10/2019 12:07 pm : link

In comment 14712752 mittenedman said:

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He's an obvious 43 DE and a 43 DE is an Edge Rusher.

Based on what?

RE: nah

Rjanyg : 12/10/2019 12:16 pm : link

In comment 14712666 BleedBlue said:

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Like that line up, with Hill, Carter Ximines in reserve that is solid and deep.

Anakim

mittenedman : 12/10/2019 12:55 pm : link

Based on what?

His build. He's a full-size DE who is playing DE for OSU.

RE: Anakim

Anakim : 12/10/2019 1:00 pm : link

In comment 14712937 mittenedman said:

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Based on what?

His build. He's a full-size DE who is playing DE for OSU.

"A full-size DE." What does that even mean?

And you realize that 4-3 DEs become 3-4 ERs all the time, right? Hell, when Clowney was drafted he played 4-3 exclusively, but when he got to Houston he was asked to stand up.

He�s scheme diverse

Jay on the Island : 12/10/2019 1:13 pm : link

I wouldn�t worry about him not being a fit as an OLB in a 3-4. He�s not going to be dropping into coverage he will do what he does best and he moved around quite a bit. He will be a star in either scheme.

Mario Williams thrives in Wade Phillips� 3-4 scheme and so can Young.

I never said he couldn't play 34 OLB

mittenedman : 12/10/2019 3:29 pm : link

I was just challenging the OP's notion that he's a better fit at 34 OLB.

That is not the case. He's a 6'5" 270# DE that absolutely could play OLB. But it's not his ideal position IMO - he's clearly a true DE.

Justin Houston

aGiantGuy : 12/10/2019 3:29 pm : link

One of the best 3-4 olb�s of this decade besides Miller and Mack, played at 280 lbs and was dominant. Chase young is 265 and taller

I agree that I think he'd be a better 3-4 OLB

robbieballs2003 : 12/10/2019 3:31 pm : link

I think he plays very well standing up and can always put his hand down. While he is really good in college at DE I am not sure he will have the same effect in the NFL.