Question for Sy re: Chase Young

Pretty certain it s not as insightful as Sy s, but here goes

I watched a lot of his games. He doesn’t get me excited enough to root for losses, which I have done in the past.

He has one move, stop that and you can neutralize him.

Saying Chase has one move is completely false.

However even if that were the case, ya know who did have one move? Osi Umenyiora.. and it was such a deadly move that it made him an elite pass rusher on its own.

Sometimes all it takes is one dominant skill/trait.

and I would really look in to drafting the linemen that blocked him. The limited time I watched it, they were impressive and he wasn't.

Your take is just about as valuable as Sy’s. He’s earnest and prolific and appreciate his effort, but look through his predraft scouting reports over the past several years — consistently brutal. Yes, he ranked N Bosa high, but so did everyone. He did nail Darius Leonard, to be fair.

PS — BBI is already so invested in the thought of “Chase Young as the savior,” that anyone making any non-glowing remarks will be attacked as a non-believer.

His Floor is Clowney and his ceilings is, with his combination of speed, size, and strength, Lawrence Taylor tier.

Former Bengals O-Line coach. Said that the eye test on CY is comparable to LT (talent wise). That says a lot to me

clearly the Giants are in need of a difference maker on the defensive side of the football and Young seems to have potential to be that guy.

I'd love to watch the remaining OSU games and know what to look for. What kind of questions does this kid still have to answer in reguards his transition to the NFL?

In comment 14712712 carpoon said:

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and I would really look in to drafting the linemen that blocked him. The limited time I watched it, they were impressive and he wasn't.

all three of them? lol

and was not that impressed. He turned out pretty good. I watched Chase Young a little this year and to my eye, looks better than Allen.

FWIW.

Is Josh Allen+.

He did nothing but produce in the SEC for a crappy SEC team. The guy had 17 sacks even though he was asked to drop into coverage many times a game.

than the Bosa brothers each were coming out of Ohio State. And we've seen what each of them have done in the league. Wisconsin was triple teaming him at times and he still managed to get pressure. Don't evaluate off the stat sheet or a few plays from a single game. He's special.

In comment 14712873 Kyle in NY said:

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than the Bosa brothers each were coming out of Ohio State. And we've seen what each of them have done in the league. Wisconsin was triple teaming him at times and he still managed to get pressure. Don't evaluate off the stat sheet or a few plays from a single game. He's special.

Young has fantastic traits to be sure — but factoring in injury risk and how many quality players this team needs, I prefer to trade down. We simply don’t know if Young is K Mack ... or Clowney. Just look through Sy’s scouting reports ... it really points to just what a crapshoot the draft is. Look where he ranked ZaDarius Smith, Danielle Hunter, Matt Judon, Shaq Barrett. And look at all the can’t miss busts ahead of them. We need as many lottery tickets as possible, I think.

if a QB hungry team wants to pay up to move to #2 I'd be ok with it. I think Chase is as close to a sure thing as you'll see, but we need a lot of help. I'm not against any trade down even if it means giving him up. But it better be a well negotiated price. Doubt Gettelman is even capable of that, if he's still here.

In comment 14712921 Kyle in NY said:

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if a QB hungry team wants to pay up to move to #2 I'd be ok with it. I think Chase is as close to a sure thing as you'll see, but we need a lot of help. I'm not against any trade down even if it means giving him up. But it better be a well negotiated price. Doubt Gettelman is even capable of that, if he's still here.

I 100% agree with you on that. Maybe they can poach someone from the Ravens front office? It’s almost unbelievable how they keep finding monsters like Matt Judon and Z Smith in the 4th and 5th rounds.

In comment 14712764 GoDeep13 said:

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His Floor is Clowney and his ceilings is, with his combination of speed, size, and strength, Lawrence Taylor tier.

The idea that Chase Young is approaching an LT tier is absurd. His ceiling is probably closer to Umenyiora. His floor is more likely Dion Jordan.

In comment 14712942 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:

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In comment 14712764 GoDeep13 said: Quote: His Floor is Clowney and his ceilings is, with his combination of speed, size, and strength, Lawrence Taylor tier. The idea that Chase Young is approaching an LT tier is absurd. His ceiling is probably closer to Umenyiora. His floor is more likely Dion Jordan.

He’ll also come in as a 21 year old who is already famous around the world, with a big entourage. Not his fault he has been living in the hype machine as the next “greatest ever,” but it’s a concern, at least to me. I guess it all depends on what assets they can get back.

In comment 14712765 MattyKid said:

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Former Bengals O-Line coach. Said that the eye test on CY is comparable to LT (talent wise). That says a lot to me

How many superstar Chase Young type pass rushers do the Pats and the Ravens have? They have a bunch of no-names who, as soon as they become “names,” they tend not to pay (see Chandler Jones, D Wise, Z Smith etc). You don’t need an LT to be a great defense — you need competence everywhere and depth. Trade down ... and steal someone from a smart front office!

-Best prospect in the 2020 class, second guy won't be close.

-Better grade than both Bosa brothers (I say that because of OSU connection) and likely better than Myles Garrett. He will be up there with the best DEs I have scouted.

-I don't want to be stuck having to compare him to an NFL player...not yet anyway...but with respect to the question I see some Chandler Jones / Julius Peppers / Bradley Chubb.

- I still need to dive in to his skill set and play to play consistency and variety. From all accounts he is a kid that works hard - practices hard / loves the game. Really important for pass rushers.

In comment 14712712 carpoon said:

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and I would really look in to drafting the linemen that blocked him. The limited time I watched it, they were impressive and he wasn't.

How about the first game against Wisconsin? Did you watch that one? When he had 5 TFL, 4 sacks and 2 forced fumbles?

In comment 14712942 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:

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In comment 14712764 GoDeep13 said: Quote: His Floor is Clowney and his ceilings is, with his combination of speed, size, and strength, Lawrence Taylor tier. The idea that Chase Young is approaching an LT tier is absurd. His ceiling is probably closer to Umenyiora. His floor is more likely Dion Jordan.

What's even more absurd is you comparing the best ER to come out of the draft in at least 10 years to Osi and Dion Jordan. Nothing like either of them.

BTW nobody is saying he will turn out to be as good as LT. It's a projection to what he could possibly become due to his traits. If you've watched the guy at all you'd see how good he is and see why many think he's a future NFL All-Pro.

In comment 14713059 Sy'56 said:

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-Best prospect in the 2020 class, second guy won't be close. -Better grade than both Bosa brothers (I say that because of OSU connection) and likely better than Myles Garrett. He will be up there with the best DEs I have scouted. -I don't want to be stuck having to compare him to an NFL player...not yet anyway...but with respect to the question I see some Chandler Jones / Julius Peppers / Bradley Chubb. - I still need to dive in to his skill set and play to play consistency and variety. From all accounts he is a kid that works hard - practices hard / loves the game. Really important for pass rushers.

Last night's loss doesn't seem so bad all of a sudden

In comment 14712942 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:

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In comment 14712764 GoDeep13 said: Quote: His Floor is Clowney and his ceilings is, with his combination of speed, size, and strength, Lawrence Taylor tier. The idea that Chase Young is approaching an LT tier is absurd. His ceiling is probably closer to Umenyiora. His floor is more likely Dion Jordan.

This is so far out there that I suspect you have an axe to grind for some reason.

So at worst he is a bust? Can't the same be said for most prospects?

In comment 14712764 GoDeep13 said:

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His Floor is Clowney and his ceilings is, with his combination of speed, size, and strength, Lawrence Taylor tier.

You lose me with LT. I'm sorry, there have been a few players who were touted as the next LT, only a few. To date, for 40 years I have not seen any player on the defensive side of the ball since LT came into the league even remotely approach his level of play. He was just that good. So, when I see him listed as the ceiling for Young, I'm not buying it.

In comment 14713081 Kyle in NY said:

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In comment 14713059 Sy'56 said: Quote: -Best prospect in the 2020 class, second guy won't be close. -Better grade than both Bosa brothers (I say that because of OSU connection) and likely better than Myles Garrett. He will be up there with the best DEs I have scouted. -I don't want to be stuck having to compare him to an NFL player...not yet anyway...but with respect to the question I see some Chandler Jones / Julius Peppers / Bradley Chubb. - I still need to dive in to his skill set and play to play consistency and variety. From all accounts he is a kid that works hard - practices hard / loves the game. Really important for pass rushers. Last night's loss doesn't seem so bad all of a sudden

HAHAHAAH - totally agreed.

In comment 14713059 Sy'56 said:

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-Best prospect in the 2020 class, second guy won't be close. -Better grade than both Bosa brothers (I say that because of OSU connection) and likely better than Myles Garrett. He will be up there with the best DEs I have scouted. -I don't want to be stuck having to compare him to an NFL player...not yet anyway...but with respect to the question I see some Chandler Jones / Julius Peppers / Bradley Chubb. - I still need to dive in to his skill set and play to play consistency and variety. From all accounts he is a kid that works hard - practices hard / loves the game. Really important for pass rushers.

Kind of a no brainer, a lights out prospect at a premium position, don't think there's anyone else like that in the draft.

Not looking to proclaim anyone savior ... just wondering how he’s viewed as a pro prospect

First two players to come to mind were Julius Peppers and Bradley Chubb for me as well.

If we don't get him, Edge probably slides because I'm not seeing another blue chip.

I wanted Josh Allen last year give me Chase Young
Best player in the draft IMO then we resign Golden
to me has been outstanding he has been relentless
in pursuit very good with the pass rush go after
Yannick Ngakoue and with our interior being pretty
stout I feel we will be as good aa anyone up front
Two other spots on defense would be a tackling
machine at LB and a legitimate Free safety .

like Ngakoue or Judon, rather than spend big on Golden.

In comment 14713064 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 14712712 carpoon said: Quote: and I would really look in to drafting the linemen that blocked him. The limited time I watched it, they were impressive and he wasn't. How about the first game against Wisconsin? Did you watch that one? When he had 5 TFL, 4 sacks and 2 forced fumbles?

Exactly.

The Badger coaches were determined not to let that happen again and he was mostly double teamed and sometimes triple teamed this past game. They also went to a lot of quick passes, and three step drops to help keep him from having a similar impact as the first time they played.

Will other teams have to account for him, scheme against him? Does he have the potential to take over a game? Can he make a play when the game is on the line? If he has those kinds of attributes and that kind of potential, he's worth the 1st or 2nd pick. Second question, will we have the coaches to maximize that talent?

His ceiling is Lawrence Taylor, what a fucking joke that is, he is not nearly that level and don't get your hopes up that high, you will hang yourself, if he is Mack, we are lucky. I have not seen anything close to a Superstar, not even close. He would be a good pick, but don't bullshit yourself, we have done enough of that crap here for too long.

In comment 14713070 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 14712942 Nomad Crow on the Madison said: Quote: In comment 14712764 GoDeep13 said: Quote: His Floor is Clowney and his ceilings is, with his combination of speed, size, and strength, Lawrence Taylor tier. The idea that Chase Young is approaching an LT tier is absurd. His ceiling is probably closer to Umenyiora. His floor is more likely Dion Jordan. What's even more absurd is you comparing the best ER to come out of the draft in at least 10 years to Osi and Dion Jordan. Nothing like either of them. BTW nobody is saying he will turn out to be as good as LT. It's a projection to what he could possibly become due to his traits. If you've watched the guy at all you'd see how good he is and see why many think he's a future NFL All-Pro.

If I am wrong, I will say I'm wrong. But I have seen Chase Young play several times. I watched LT's entire career. I don't see the comparison. The draft is historically littered with can't miss prospects that miss.