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Fleshing out additional HC candidates:

Really : 12/10/2019 1:25 pm
Do any of the following deserve/warrant a look?

Please note: this is not an advocacy thread more of a lets avoid group think (Rivera, Rhule, Garret etc) exercise:

1) Matt Eberflus (DC IND)
2) Wink Martindale (DC BAL)
3) Brian Daboll (OC BUF)
4) Dennis Allen (DC NO)
5) Todd Monken (OC CLE)
6) John Fassel (ST LA)
7) Kieth Butler (DC PIT)
8) Eric Bienemy (OC KC)
9) George Edwards (DC MIN)

Thoughts?

Eberflus intrigues me.
Pair  
BigBlueWC : 12/10/2019 1:32 pm : link
Ed Dodds with Matt Eberflus and call it a day
Another pair worth considering  
BigBlueWC : 12/10/2019 1:33 pm : link
Caserio and Daboll
Worth noting that Sy  
Biteymax22 : 12/10/2019 1:38 pm : link
has sung the praises of Bieniemy more than once now.

For a guy whose name doesn't get mentioned a lot, he oversees one of the NFL's most potent offenses and has done great work with Mahomes.
Robert Saleh  
ATL_Giants : 12/10/2019 1:38 pm : link
DC for San Fran
RE: Robert Saleh  
Brown Recluse : 12/10/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14713042 ATL_Giants said:
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DC for San Fran


Wasn't Saleh the DC for them in 2018 when their defense was atrocious? I get that having a player like Bosa is naturally going to elevate everyone else...but I'm not sure I trust Saleh after two seasons of wildly different results.
Dave Toub  
GoDeep13 : 12/10/2019 1:50 pm : link
Special Teams/Assistant HC (Chiefs)

Good locker room presence. CEO Type. Coached the great Bears Special Teams Units that saw 8 Pro Bowlers, including the record breaking rookie season/bulk of career of Devin Hester.

Before that (from '01-'03)he was helping elevate John Harbaugh's Special teams unit in Philadelphia (Helping Harbaugh to win Sp. Teams Coach of the year in 01).

Former Strength and Conditioning coach and played Center in college
I know it would never happen  
MotownGIANTS : 12/10/2019 1:55 pm : link
but Jim Fassel /w Jones, Slayton and Barkley (we get the OL fixed) ... the O would be nice ....
NOT on the Saleh Hpye Train  
Festina Lente : 12/10/2019 1:59 pm : link
He has one of the most talented defensive rosters in the NFL. His rah-rah sideline demeanor is making him popular in the media.

I too like think Eberflus is an interesting coach. The one problem I have with these things is that being a good coach doesn't necessarily translate into being a good Head Coach. That requires being a good manager (both of situations and staff), choosing correct supporting staff, and knowing how to delegate. It is far more than scheme/coaching.
Greg Roman  
djstat : 12/10/2019 2:04 pm : link
Great O-Line Guy.

Innovative
Daboll isn't quite ready yet, but he's definitely a comer.  
Red Dog : 12/10/2019 2:06 pm : link
I watch the Bills some because my wife is a Bills fan, so I see what Daboll is doing for them. He does show some pretty good creativity at times, but at other times he can be pretty predictable and not very effective. Of course, he doesn't have the strongest OL around or much of a WR/
TE corps to work with, and Josh Allen is still a work in progress.

I think he needs more seasoning, but will be a serious HC candidate in a couple of years.
RE: Another pair worth considering  
Giantz_comeback : 12/10/2019 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14713030 BigBlueWC said:
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Caserio and Daboll


I think Caserio likes Daboll a lot. If DG gets canned and we hire Caserio, this may be our guy.
Coaching hires are a crapshoot  
Touchdown maker : 12/10/2019 3:24 pm : link
Unless you’re getting the extreme established coach like parcels was you really don’t know what you’re getting.

Anyone, SY included, thinking they know whose going to make a good coach is bullshitting you. There’s always some hotshot coordinator that’s the next guy. Shit, spags was one of em.

The truth is most head coaches fail. There are 6-8 openings every year. Just have to hope you get the right guy.
My concern with Bienemy  
Greg from LI : 12/10/2019 3:28 pm : link
is that Andy Reid's OCs aren't really running the offense, Reid is.
I have zero interest  
ryanmkeane : 12/10/2019 3:40 pm : link
in a NFL coordinator who has never been a HC.

I want a HC with championship experience, or a college coach who has built programs.
RE: I have zero interest  
BleedBlue : 12/10/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14713339 ryanmkeane said:
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in a NFL coordinator who has never been a HC.

I want a HC with championship experience, or a college coach who has built programs.


same. it seems everyone here wants the flashy young hot coordinator. i want a guy who knows how to run shit.
RE: RE: I have zero interest  
Really : 12/10/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14713344 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14713339 ryanmkeane said:


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in a NFL coordinator who has never been a HC.

I want a HC with championship experience, or a college coach who has built programs.



same. it seems everyone here wants the flashy young hot coordinator. i want a guy who knows how to run shit.



I am no College savant, so I cant speak to program builders, however, from the NFL, who would that leave you with that qualification?

Todd Bowles, Dennis Allen, Leslie Frazier, Mike Munchak, Mike McCoy, Vance Joseph or other non-inspiring choices (Gus Bradley? Norv? Wade Phillips?).

Does that really excite you?

Knowing who is out there with that criteria does that affect your perspective?
HCs  
ryanmkeane : 12/10/2019 4:11 pm : link
on my list are: Rule, Rivera, McCarthy, McDaniels

That's about it.
I’m as concerned with the staff any of them would bring in,  
yatqb : 12/10/2019 4:29 pm : link
and would have to hear from them about that before any decision. One reason McCarthy intrigues me is that he’s been working on putting a staff together already, in preparation for a new HC job.
Chuck Pagano  
TheShade : 12/10/2019 11:11 pm : link
He can fix the defense and he has won with Andrew Luck (who basically had no OL help the majority of his career). Been to the playoffs and won a few games in them as well.

I think going with a proven HC who has a legit winning record like Pagano would be better then first time coaches or others who have had losing experiences as coaches.
I really wanted Matt LaFleur after they fired McAdoo  
steve in ky : 12/10/2019 11:44 pm : link
but the Giants can ill afford to gamble on a promising assistant and get it wrong once again. I think a guy like Rivera makes the most sense at this point.
RE: My concern with Bienemy  
Mr. Bungle : 12/10/2019 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14713300 Greg from LI said:
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is that Andy Reid's OCs aren't really running the offense, Reid is.

I used to think like that, until Doug Pederson had to go and win a Super Bowl. (barf)
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