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I keep reading that "there were no halftime adjustments."

Beezer : 12/10/2019 2:27 pm
OK. Fair enough. It absolutely does seem as though Shurmur was completely exposed in the second half last night.

I understand no one on BBI will be able to accurately say what was or was not discussed in the NYG locker room at the break, but seriously ... was it something along these lines?

Coaches gathered:

"So that was a great half gentlemen ... what's everyone got?"

:::crickets:::

"OK! Let's just keep doing what we were doing and that should git 'r done! Annnnnnd, break."

Being facetious, of course, but if there WERE adjustments on the Giants' side of things, can anyone who watched the entire game tell me what they may have been? Because it certainly looked like the Eagles went in a regrouped, while the Giants' moms stopped in to hand our orange wedges and tell everyone they were all winners, no matter what happened.
There is a reason that this team seems to be  
figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 2:33 pm : link
in most games going into the third quarter and completely fall apart. They may be decent a game planning/install during the week, but when it comes to actual in game adjustments, they don't know their asshole from the ear hole, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
See, I think Shurmur does make adjustments  
Ben in Tampa : 12/10/2019 2:48 pm : link
He goes away from everything that works in the first half and coaches like a pussy
Correct  
NikkiMac : 12/10/2019 2:49 pm : link
Correct and this team cannot handle adversity as thIs game The Leonard Williams 15 yard penalty was the backbreaker team needs a psychiatrist
This is what we need in the lockerroom!  
Pete from Woodstock : 12/10/2019 2:50 pm : link
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shurmer  
DTgiants : 12/10/2019 2:51 pm : link
Did not continue to do the same thing, he tried to sit on a lead!
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GiantEgo : 12/10/2019 2:52 pm : link
The Eagles unleashed the legendary Boston Scott you can't adjust to that kind of talent.
Not sure what adjustments were made on the Giants....bottomline  
George from PA : 12/10/2019 2:53 pm : link
They did not work well.

I did notice the Eagles made it a point to run away from L.Williams side..which opened up the running game for them.
It's not only adjustments but play calling and approach..  
BillKo : 12/10/2019 2:58 pm : link
Example, in the first half we had a real nice fake throw and reverse to Sheppard.

That was a well conceived play.

The Giants needed more of those plays in the second half to convert third downs, or at least gain positive yardage.

Every week I see teams running plays, and our plays on the whole look very generic.

And of course when we do a trick play, it's blocked completely wrong and/or called at the wrong time.

Shurmur coaches a lot like his mentor Andy Reid. If it's working from the start, it's awesome...but there's no variation from the install (although years later Reid has seemed to improve there).
RE: It's not only adjustments but play calling and approach..  
Matt M. : 12/10/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14713214 BillKo said:
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Example, in the first half we had a real nice fake throw and reverse to Sheppard.

That was a well conceived play.

The Giants needed more of those plays in the second half to convert third downs, or at least gain positive yardage.

Every week I see teams running plays, and our plays on the whole look very generic.

And of course when we do a trick play, it's blocked completely wrong and/or called at the wrong time.

Shurmur coaches a lot like his mentor Andy Reid. If it's working from the start, it's awesome...but there's no variation from the install (although years later Reid has seemed to improve there).
Exactly right. He is a lesser version of Reid. Reid, at least, designs a much better offense from the start.
RE: Correct  
Eli Wilson : 12/10/2019 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14713182 NikkiMac said:
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Correct and this team cannot handle adversity as thIs game The Leonard Williams 15 yard penalty was the backbreaker team needs a psychiatrist


Didn't they punt on that drive?
I heard on the radio this morning that the Eagles adjusted  
GiantBlue : 12/10/2019 3:18 pm : link
Going from man to man to zone in the second half which took away the deep ball and allowed the Eagles secondary to keep things in front of them.

The Eagles had a change of pace runner in Scott.....The Giants have no such thing. The Bears offense hummed when Howard and Tarik Cohen played off each other...Ingram & Kumara......

The Giants need the Sproles type of back to play off Saquon....to take those swing passes and get crucial first downs.

The Giants offense is dreadfully boring!
RE: I heard on the radio this morning that the Eagles adjusted  
BillKo : 12/10/2019 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14713267 GiantBlue said:
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The Giants need the Sproles type of back to play off Saquon....to take those swing passes and get crucial first downs.


They have the guy for this already! IT'S BARKLEY!

To my point, that's what wrong with this team. Barkley should be more involved in the pass game....NOT JUST DUMP OFFS.

Swing passes, wheel routs, and crossing patterns.

For crying out loud, we did it last year. This year it's non existent.

I don't get Shurmur.
The Giants have a 4Q/OT point differential  
Mike in ramapo college : 12/10/2019 3:32 pm : link
of -3.8ppg in 2019, and -3.1ppg in 2018, which ranks them in the bottom 5 for sure. Last year we seemed to have a lot of garbage time scores, so the "true" differential is likely larger.

It's hard to gauge the full scope of the push-pull relationship with TOP, but the common denominator the last 2 years is the defense allows more points in the 2nd and 4th quarters as compared to the first and third. The splits are more glaring in 2018, as the defense has been consistently horrid this year.

Regardless, the team doesn't know how to close out halves and that seems to also correspond to a coaching staff that doesn't know how to adjust.





Reporter: "what adjustments do you make at the half?"  
markky : 12/10/2019 3:37 pm : link
Pat: "We try to sit on the lead. You know, three and outs."

Reports: "does that work?"

Pat: (pause) "Once in a while"

Just okay is not okay.
With  
PaulN : 12/10/2019 3:47 pm : link
A two touchdown lead this fucking jerk still lost the game the same way he lost it last season, he learns from nothing, he has one way of doing things and as soon as the other team figures that out and adjusts the game is over. He still refused to give the fucking ball to the 2nd pick in the fucking draft. Fuck this piece of shit.
RE: See, I think Shurmur does make adjustments  
Biteymax22 : 12/10/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14713176 Ben in Tampa said:
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He goes away from everything that works in the first half and coaches like a pussy


I know you're half serious and half sarcastic, but I think this is kind of what goes on. Watching last nights game, I honestly think Shurmur walked into half time and just said to himself "they're going to take away Slayton, so we need to stop going to him" and went from there rather than saying "Slayton is having a great game, they'll probably do X to slow him down, but if we react by doing this we can capitalize on their adjustment".
Calling Shurmur a "lesser version of andy reid"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/10/2019 3:49 pm : link
is like calling Ray Handley a lesser version of bill parcells.
We made adjustments.  
robbieballs2003 : 12/10/2019 3:59 pm : link
In the second half with virtually no WRs we decided to not cover Ertz with any defenders at all.
RE: RE: I heard on the radio this morning that the Eagles adjusted  
JohnnyFlowers : 12/10/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14713301 BillKo said:
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In comment 14713267 GiantBlue said:


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The Giants need the Sproles type of back to play off Saquon....to take those swing passes and get crucial first downs.



They have the guy for this already! IT'S BARKLEY!

To my point, that's what wrong with this team. Barkley should be more involved in the pass game....NOT JUST DUMP OFFS.

Swing passes, wheel routs, and crossing patterns.

For crying out loud, we did it last year. This year it's non existent.

I don't get Shurmur.


I did notice several times that Barkley was wide open on some routes but Eli did not see him
Adjustments  
stretch234 : 12/11/2019 9:21 am : link
This staff seems to be clueless at times

Phi has no WR, so Ertz is there only weapon downfield and they refuse to cover him. How many times are you going to blitz the QB when he is not going to throw downfield. The screen & flair pass killed them, time & time again and they refused to change - inexcusable defensive coaching

Carolina seems to figure out how to get their best player touches in multiple situations, this staff cant figure out how to best utilize Barkley

We complained and bitched about Flowers, and justifiably so, but Solders play has been every bit as poor as Flowers, sometimes worse. How do you get TE help on a chip and still get beat
Is is halftime adjustments, or conditioning or both?  
TheEvilLurker : 12/11/2019 9:56 am : link
I ask because the pattern is that the Giants may have a lead or make it close, then they lose in the second half.

Is it just halftime adjustments, or is there a conditioning factor?

It's hard for me to tell because the coaching sucks.
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