he looked more athletic than Baker and was active. I thought his college hype was a lot of hyperbole based off a random pro day because he didn't have a ton of production but he may have a chance.
Love also showed athleticism and was active. He made a really nice play spying Wentz at one point and had the speed to track him down across the field and hold him to a minimal gain on what looked like an easy 5-10 scramble.
He has some obvious physical traits and he didn’t look out of place. But there weren’t any viable receivers challenging him and there were still mistakes
The one that had two big penalties during Philly’s last scoring drive in regulation. Terrible penalties, but he seemed like he was staying with his man on a consistent basis.
Eagles threw at him a lot, which is not surprising. It's a long jump from Western Michigan to the NFL, and this is his first football of any kind in two years.
admittedly that's the lowest bar possible but Beal definitely exceed that.
The 1 PI call I saw looked a little ticky tack and the guy made the catch anyway. A few times they threw his way and he had good coverage without interfering.
He looked more athletic than I expected. I'd compare his debut more to Ballentine's than Bakers. Some typical rookie mistakes but also some flashes.
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one for PI and one for holding. He had his man covered well both time it seemed to me and did not need to do either. Like was said, he looks a smaller school 3rd round draft pick in his 1st year on the field.
I may be wrong but I think the DBs are going to be fine as long as they keep playing.
I really liked Love last night, very aggressive. Maybe too aggressive as he flew by the man he was looking to tackle. He looks very confident out there and looks very quick.
one for PI and one for holding. He had his man covered well both time it seemed to me and did not need to do either. Like was said, he looks a smaller school 3rd round draft pick in his 1st year on the field.
I may be wrong but I think the DBs are going to be fine as long as they keep playing.
I really liked Love last night, very aggressive. Maybe too aggressive as he flew by the man he was looking to tackle. He looks very confident out there and looks very quick.
and ruined his teammates fine performance one two drives. The bad penalties were on one drive where the DL got the job done, yet, the secondary did not. His mistakes catapulted the Eagles to victory. He is a liability as he couldn't even cover a scrub WR. We are almost done the season and he is still not ready to make plays. Baker whiffed on tackling and allowed more YAC than necessary on one play if not more. Again the Giants are deep into the season and these guys look like they a place holder. Any UDFA can mug WRs and get called for holding or PI. On top of that their tackling is not requisite for the NFL. I am looking forward to a legitimate GM and scouts to get some prospects that can play. I can't see people being enthusiastic about these players being Giants.
and ruined his teammates fine performance one two drives. The bad penalties were on one drive where the DL got the job done, yet, the secondary did not. His mistakes catapulted the Eagles to victory. He is a liability as he couldn't even cover a scrub WR. We are almost done the season and he is still not ready to make plays. Baker whiffed on tackling and allowed more YAC than necessary on one play if not more. Again the Giants are deep into the season and these guys look like they a place holder. Any UDFA can mug WRs and get called for holding or PI. On top of that their tackling is not requisite for the NFL. I am looking forward to a legitimate GM and scouts to get some prospects that can play. I can't see people being enthusiastic about these players being Giants.
I disagree wholeheartedly. Baker was playing pretty well even when he covered Alshon. In fact, on one of his pass breakups he closed so fast on the ball that if he had realized how quick he got there and looked back, it would’ve been a pick six. He was our best corner last night. Not every corner is going to be Marcus Peters or Jaire Alexander right out the gate. Most will be more like Xavier Rhodes or Malcolm Butler, taking time to develop their games.
Baker still seems to be too close to taking penalties all the time Â
it's definitely possible he improves and he seems to have solid instincts, I just don't know if he's athletic enough to be in good position.
For all these guys the jury is going to be out for a while. We should remember that Webster looked like a bust for 3 years, and then went on to be as reliable of a CB as we've had here for probably close to 5 years or so. It is a position that takes a lot of learning and coaches whose schemes fit their players. I think we can write off Haley, but the rest have shown flashes (Peppers, Baker, Beal, Love, Ballentine).
The question for me becomes do we go into next season with Jenkins as our slot and filling in some corner duty, or do we cut JJ, let Ballentine man that position for the whole year and draft his backup.
The question for me becomes do we go into next season with Jenkins as our slot and filling in some corner duty, or do we cut JJ, let Ballentine man that position for the whole year and draft his backup.
Depends if there's someone to spend the money on better/younger. Or if another team is willing to give up a pick for him. He's 31 so if there's someone better go for it, same if someone is willing to give up a pick. But no reason to just dump him for the sake of dumping him. Sherman is a big piece of the 49er D showing that it's possible to make an impact after 30.
The question for me becomes do we go into next season with Jenkins as our slot and filling in some corner duty, or do we cut JJ, let Ballentine man that position for the whole year and draft his backup.
Depends if there's someone to spend the money on better/younger. Or if another team is willing to give up a pick for him. He's 31 so if there's someone better go for it, same if someone is willing to give up a pick. But no reason to just dump him for the sake of dumping him. Sherman is a big piece of the 49er D showing that it's possible to make an impact after 30.
I agree, too early to trust Ballentine and the versatility JJ brings was an obvious plus. With the way our D was rostered last night, it tells me we’re Chase young, a Schobert type ilb, pep and Connelly, away from a scary defense. All we need is one more receiver a center and two damn tackles. I’m hoping we can trade shep for an extra 3rd. Two of those positions will have to be targeted in free agency. So close, but yet so far.
and ruined his teammates fine performance one two drives. The bad penalties were on one drive where the DL got the job done, yet, the secondary did not. His mistakes catapulted the Eagles to victory. He is a liability as he couldn't even cover a scrub WR. We are almost done the season and he is still not ready to make plays. Baker whiffed on tackling and allowed more YAC than necessary on one play if not more. Again the Giants are deep into the season and these guys look like they a place holder. Any UDFA can mug WRs and get called for holding or PI. On top of that their tackling is not requisite for the NFL. I am looking forward to a legitimate GM and scouts to get some prospects that can play. I can't see people being enthusiastic about these players being Giants.
Was that a typo? Hes played like 3 or 4 games.... in his career.....
He looks the part, but he hasn't played enough to really rate anything yet. Baker was a stud last night, it took him a lot of games to find his bearings, it's going to take Beal time too, but he's got the AA and he plays aggressively. I think if he stays healthy we have two keepers, but we have no pass rush, a bone headed DC and brain dead LBs.
Love also showed athleticism and was active. He made a really nice play spying Wentz at one point and had the speed to track him down across the field and hold him to a minimal gain on what looked like an easy 5-10 scramble.
Ertz was so open you'd have thought he had B.O.
The 1 PI call I saw looked a little ticky tack and the guy made the catch anyway. A few times they threw his way and he had good coverage without interfering.
He looked more athletic than I expected. I'd compare his debut more to Ballentine's than Bakers. Some typical rookie mistakes but also some flashes.
I may be wrong but I think the DBs are going to be fine as long as they keep playing.
I really liked Love last night, very aggressive. Maybe too aggressive as he flew by the man he was looking to tackle. He looks very confident out there and looks very quick.
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I may be wrong but I think the DBs are going to be fine as long as they keep playing.
I really liked Love last night, very aggressive. Maybe too aggressive as he flew by the man he was looking to tackle. He looks very confident out there and looks very quick.
I disagree wholeheartedly. Baker was playing pretty well even when he covered Alshon. In fact, on one of his pass breakups he closed so fast on the ball that if he had realized how quick he got there and looked back, it would’ve been a pick six. He was our best corner last night. Not every corner is going to be Marcus Peters or Jaire Alexander right out the gate. Most will be more like Xavier Rhodes or Malcolm Butler, taking time to develop their games.
For all these guys the jury is going to be out for a while. We should remember that Webster looked like a bust for 3 years, and then went on to be as reliable of a CB as we've had here for probably close to 5 years or so. It is a position that takes a lot of learning and coaches whose schemes fit their players. I think we can write off Haley, but the rest have shown flashes (Peppers, Baker, Beal, Love, Ballentine).
Depends if there's someone to spend the money on better/younger. Or if another team is willing to give up a pick for him. He's 31 so if there's someone better go for it, same if someone is willing to give up a pick. But no reason to just dump him for the sake of dumping him. Sherman is a big piece of the 49er D showing that it's possible to make an impact after 30.
Professionals with the words "NFL" and "probowls" and "Superbowls" appearing throughout long coaching resumes.
Since draft will more likely include lb and safety I'm not throwing rookie corners under the bus.
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The question for me becomes do we go into next season with Jenkins as our slot and filling in some corner duty, or do we cut JJ, let Ballentine man that position for the whole year and draft his backup.
Depends if there's someone to spend the money on better/younger. Or if another team is willing to give up a pick for him. He's 31 so if there's someone better go for it, same if someone is willing to give up a pick. But no reason to just dump him for the sake of dumping him. Sherman is a big piece of the 49er D showing that it's possible to make an impact after 30.
I agree, too early to trust Ballentine and the versatility JJ brings was an obvious plus. With the way our D was rostered last night, it tells me we’re Chase young, a Schobert type ilb, pep and Connelly, away from a scary defense. All we need is one more receiver a center and two damn tackles. I’m hoping we can trade shep for an extra 3rd. Two of those positions will have to be targeted in free agency. So close, but yet so far.
Was that a typo? Hes played like 3 or 4 games.... in his career.....
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Has to learn how to play the ball and use his hands without committing a penalty.
He is like a young pitcher with a 97 mph fastball, who has to work on his secondary stuff.
What I liked was his physicality. Hes a bit smaller than I expected but willing to get physical and can run with the WRs.
Between Baker, Beal and Love I think we have three good building blocks.