NFT: Mets Talk/ Winter Meetings

In comment 14714205 pjcas18 said:

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is a snooze than have to read about trading Francisco Alvarez so the Mets can add Lowrie to a trade to get a slim (if that) upgrade on one position. please be a snooze if that's the alternative.

Buckle up. Panic trade/move from Brodie is absolutely a possibility.

If BVW tries to make a Cano type deal, that Cohen will have a chance to "veto" that request.

Think about that. 1) it’s insane how poor this franchise operates and 2) bvw knew this would be an issue yet still traded for cano and signed lowrie last year.

Which is scarier? Cohen can’t get here fast enough and bvw can’t be fired fast enough.

In comment 14714215 bhill410 said:

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Think about that. 1) it’s insane how poor this franchise operates and 2) bvw knew this would be an issue yet still traded for cano and signed lowrie last year. Which is scarier? Cohen can’t get here fast enough and bvw can’t be fired fast enough.

If the Mets throw Lowrie into a trade then they'll be forced to lower the return they get or throw in extra prospects to offset his cost.

Would be pathetic for an NY team to do this considering Lowrie only has 1 year left on his deal and all of the prospects the team has given up for underwhelming returns already.

think we can safely close the door on the idea Cohen was going to impact the Mets off-season spending/plans... now we have to worry how much damage Brodie will do... hated the hire, and scared of what he might now do.

We're talking about one more crappy offseason and then we're rid of the Wilpons forever.

We should be happier than the Yankees this offseason.

We made out better than any team in baseball this offseason with last week's news.

Sit tight until Cohen controls the money.

just keep Lowrie. He was good 2 years ago and Cano is very old himself and likely to get hurt. He could barely run at all last year and hurt himself on a few of the rare occasions where he did try to run full speed.

If/when Cano gets hurt, you might want a guy like Lowrie at 3B and then Mcneil can play his natural position. Even if cano doesn't get hurt, he probably will need plenty of days off.

and the wilpons clearly aren't in a position to be spending if the main reason they are selling because they are at the MLB debt limit.

Snooze is the best we can hope for until Cohen reaches and agreement with the Wilpons. Desperate BVW with no money is very scary.

be okay with giving up Davis for Marte (not over the moon) but Nimmo? I'd be absolutely LIVID. Brodie should be looking to flip Dom to Toronto for McGuire.

Had
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retained Wheeler they could have entertained the idea of Thor to Houston in a Correa deal. But no, lets Porcello it up #Mets

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Player 1) 115 wRC+, .345 wOBA
Player 2) 137 wRC+, .371 wOBA.. One of these guys is 31 and signed for 2 seasons... the other is 27 and controlled for the next 3... #Mets

Mayer says he's hearing the Mets can't add a Marte salary (11 million) type without shedding salary. Unbelievable.

In comment 14714546 DanMetroMan said:

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Mayer says he's hearing the Mets can't add a Marte salary (11 million) type without shedding salary. Unbelievable.

How is this unbelievable? It's exactly the MO of the team for the past decade.

Too bad that Mets wern't in on Gausman. Seemed like an affordable 5th starter who could be a good reliever also.

maybe the Mets are expecting Cespedes to play, or at least be cleared to play so that they can't collect the insurance.

There's a video floating around of him taking batting practice. The Mets even confirmed that he's started running. It's still almost 4 months until the season.

It throws a whole new layer of confusion to things because he plays at our most crowded position (which for some reason our idiot GM wants to add more OFs) and we have no idea if he's still effective (if so, he's right up there with McNeil/Alonso value wise) or if he's shot after not playing baseball for most of 2 years.

In comment 14714575 Metnut said:

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In comment 14714546 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Mayer says he's hearing the Mets can't add a Marte salary (11 million) type without shedding salary. Unbelievable. How is this unbelievable? It's exactly the MO of the team for the past decade. Too bad that Mets wern't in on Gausman. Seemed like an affordable 5th starter who could be a good reliever also.

Sorry, "embarrassing". I wasn't doubting Michael. Just really sad.

still mentioning Lugo and Gsellman for the rotation.

He's putting a lot of eggs in the Diaz/Familia rebounding basket.

Make relatively de minimis upgrades.

but it would require the Mets exceeding the luxury tax for one year which is NOT a big deal.

Not sure what an Arenado package would look like or if the Mets are a good match.

Jon Heyman
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Rockies are willing to listen to trade inquiries on superstar 3B Nolan Arenado (and anyone else); they’ve gotten many calls on him since trade deadline. Would shake up monster 3B market (Rendon, Donaldson, Bryant) but no one sees as likely yet. Has full no-trade so up to him.

before we knew about the Cohen talks, when everything was status quo with the Wilpons, we knew this offseason was so tight it was a near foregone conclusion Wheeler was going to walk. Some even thought they wouldn't offer a QO.

We knew there was 0 chance we'd be in on the FA's more expensive than Wheeler (Rendon, Cole, etc).

We knew there was a near 0 chance they'd approach the LTT.

We knew there was minimal room for any significant upgrades whatsoever, even those cheaper than Wheeler at a stated position of need like Grandal.

Now, knowing the Cohen news, there's even less of a chance the Wilpons spend their $. That isn't the issue though, that's a temporary necessity to be rid of them. I would sit out 2 offseasons to get rid of them if necessary.

The issue is BVW may make a panic move to improve the team instead of patiently waiting out the constraints. That's the fear right now.

In comment 14714697 pjcas18 said:

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but it would require the Mets exceeding the luxury tax for one year which is NOT a big deal. Not sure what an Arenado package would look like or if the Mets are a good match. Jon Heyman @JonHeyman · 2m Rockies are willing to listen to trade inquiries on superstar 3B Nolan Arenado (and anyone else); they’ve gotten many calls on him since trade deadline. Would shake up monster 3B market (Rendon, Donaldson, Bryant) but no one sees as likely yet. Has full no-trade so up to him.

have to figure it'd be a huge haul even though he makes market value for term.

Probably be looking at something like Baty, Gimenez, Alvarez and a productive major leaguer to even begin the conversation.

retained Wheeler, signed Grandal and Betances, and otherwise stood pat, and we'd all love the offseason (at least I would).

Considering insurance payments, and Mets actual money spent on team salary in 2018, 2019 and 2020 combined would barely be top 10.

That's a long way from being the Yankees and making Cole type of moves, but our offseason isn't going to look anything close to that. It's really frustrating because we all see the core of an MLB team that can be a contender if we just had a little more resources to put into it.

Jeffrey Paternostro
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The Mets actual spend is like 70 million under the actual CBT number after insurance offsets, let’s not pretend they are playing in the same sandbox as the other teams bumping the tax.
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They backload every deal and have weird bonus structures to make it look like they are spending more than they are.
Jeffrey Paternostro
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Even with their weird cap manipulations, Cot’s still projects them 17m under the cap. Just sign Porcello if you really want. That goes to 140m under next year.

something like JD Davis, Dom Smith, Gimenez and a lower prospect (not Matt Allan, Mauricio, Baty or Szapucki)

For Arenado

He's under contract 7 more years, expensive, but under contract and solid two-way player, so even if offense takes a hit away from Coors, he's a gold glove 3B.

is a top 10 player in the game and apparently "everyone" (oh sorry not the Mets) is interested. Sad.

In comment 14714759 pjcas18 said:

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something like JD Davis, Dom Smith, Gimenez and a lower prospect (not Matt Allan, Mauricio, Baty or Szapucki) For Arenado He's under contract 7 more years, expensive, but under contract and solid two-way player, so even if offense takes a hit away from Coors, he's a gold glove 3B.

I didn't realize this until I was just perusing the Twitter, but he's got an opt-out after 2021 which I suppose makes the valuation a bit more tricky.

in on Betances. Looking for a 1-year deal.

You'd think the Mets could get this done while those teams are adding Cole, Wheeler and Didi. Too bad.

Can we stop with the Marte talk
He is not a good defensive center fielder
He was -11 runs the worst for all center fielders

Nimmo is a better option than Marte

Also Marte is a very streaky hitter who is not likely to improve his production
Last year I think was an aberration
This is the type of move that makes no analytic sense

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talk didn't originate with "us", so no "we" can't stop with the "Marte talk"

it comes from the beat writers who presumably get their information from actual sources.

so regardless if all the fans on here agree Nimmo to Marte isn't necessarily an upgrade and not worth the cost, the talk isn't starting from here.

on twitter that the rumored Marte deals all stink.

Fans underestimate the impact that they have in this social media age. Multiple reliable sources indicated that McNeil was pulled out of the Cano/Diaz deal after fan reaction. Isles fans took out a series of billboards calling for the ouster of Garth Snow. He was fired months later and the Isles no longer are a joke.

Make yourselves heard folks. Also, might as well make yourselves heard that Gettleman has to go as well.

In comment 14714873 Metnut said:

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on twitter that the rumored Marte deals all stink. Fans underestimate the impact that they have in this social media age. Multiple reliable sources indicated that McNeil was pulled out of the Cano/Diaz deal after fan reaction. Isles fans took out a series of billboards calling for the ouster of Garth Snow. He was fired months later and the Isles no longer are a joke. Make yourselves heard folks. Also, might as well make yourselves heard that Gettleman has to go as well.

I'm not suggesting fans shouldn't make their voices heard, but BVW laughed when asked about McNeil in the Cano trade and said he was never in it and his explanation seemed plausible. As plausible as the information from "reliable sources" at least.

but given that he acquired Lowrie and Cano last offseason, I think it's likely he thought McNeil was expendable.

Tim Healey
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Rob Manfred said he expects “no governance issues” as a result of Steve Cohen’s pending purchase of the Mets, which would leave Fred Wilpon as the “control person” for five years.

sale talks are not recent per Manfred.

of a deal with Michael Wacha for 1 year, per Sherman.

was horrendous in 2019 (5.61 FIP, -0.2 fWAR) pitched well in 2017

hurt a lot, but he's a reasonable gamble that has some upside.

Ideally, you'd have 3-4 guys like him and hope that at least one of them can emerge as a good option. Signing him and closing up shop on the rotation wouldn't be great. Let's hope there's more to come.

Wacha was not a top 50 FA for FG's, ranked 47th by MLBTR with a non-optimistic blurb on his 2020 https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/mlb-free-agent-predictions-2020.html #Mets

is pretty close to a dumpster dive. He's basically a AAAA pitcher at best right now.

but again, I'm going to wait and see what the roster looks like in February.

In comment 14714955 pjcas18 said:

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is pretty close to a dumpster dive. He's basically a AAAA pitcher at best right now. but again, I'm going to wait and see what the roster looks like in February.

Pretty much. He was so bad in 2019 that he'd be a repeat performance from being out of baseball. Underlying numbers aren't great either.

velocity drop from 2015 to 2019.

In comment 14714961 pjcas18 said:

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velocity drop from 2015 to 2019.

2015 & 17 look like the outliers. '13, '14, '16 he seems to have been around the same 93 mph he was the past 2 years (career average is 93.8). I dislike this signing because he's had 2 crappy, injury plagued years - but whether that's because of a velo drop is unclear.

The bigger concern is that his walk rate spiked big time from under 3 all of his good years (13-17) to almost 4 the past 2.

This is an embarrassment. Brody is preparing his client list for when Cohen fires him...and the wilponsis are probably getting a deferred cut.

I HATE this nickel and dime BULLSHIT. I may just bail on this team until the ownership transfer happens.

Correa, etc. all should be in play.

Andy Martino
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Sources say Mets have had dialogue with the Astros about Carlos Correa. Nothing imminent.

I have zero confidence BVW will get another one over on them, but I could see something like Rosario + Nimmo + prospect appealing to them. Who knows what they're looking for, but I'd imagine the start of any deal would have to be a young SS with control like Rosario and then +++ from there.

is a better fit than Correa as far as big trade candidates go because 3B and in theory a salary dump.

In an Arenado trade the Mets "extra" pieces like JD Davis and Dom Smith could be valuable where neither is likely interesting to the Astros (with the Astros obviously trade Davis to the Mets).

do this? What kind of return could they get for Lowrie if they pay his salary?

If OAK has a solid reliever it would be the same as paying $10M for a reliever.

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Jacob Resnick @Jacob_Resnick · 7m The Oakland Athletics are interested in acquiring Jed Lowrie, who was an all-star for them in 2018, provided the #Mets cover his remaining salary, according to the @sfchronicle .

Andy Martino
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Texas and Oakland two teams who have talked Jed Lowrie with Mets per sources. @susanslusser
said Oakland first. A’s would only take Lowrie if Mets pay most of the money, I’m told.
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Liam Hendriks. Make it happen Brodie!

Jon Heyman
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Rendon deal done with angels . 245M . 7 yrs.