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Belichick & Saban - The Art of Coaching...

bw in dc : 12/10/2019 9:23 pm
is currently showing on HBO. Highly recommend it. It's basically Saban and BB sharing their history of coaching and friendship...

Best line so far by BB, and I'm paraphrasing:

"I get on a plane after a loss and I look around and all the coaches are on their computers. And I look at them and say, "Guys we lost because we simply can't tackle." Not something you are going to find on some space program technology..."

More to come...
Just happen to flip onto it now on hbo  
penkap75 : 12/10/2019 9:29 pm : link
Makes me sad with the shit coaching staff we have now
Ernie Adams  
McNally's_Nuts : 12/10/2019 9:49 pm : link
*GREG ALERT* is the analytics dude for the Pats.

I think by reviewing the Pats recent drafts....it’s probably a moot point.

The sauce of Brady and Belicheck cover up the multitude of bad drafts.
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Sean : 12/10/2019 9:52 pm : link
Belichick: “Good players can’t overcome bad coaching.”
BB's ties to Giants are widely known.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/10/2019 9:52 pm : link
But I believe we were actively interested in Saban in 97 when he was was in East Lansing & 03 when he was in Baton Rouge.
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Leg of Theismann : 12/10/2019 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14713809 Sean said:
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Belichick: “Good players can’t overcome bad coaching.”


Which makes a lot of sense when you consider the fact that almost every Giants free agent and/or trade acquisition has under-performed compared to his play with previous teams. I have a hard time believing Solder, or especially Zeitler, just all of a sudden flat-out suck and don't belong in the NFL. These guys have plenty of film evidence from years of playing in the NFL and clearly being above-average starters... I really believe when you see a phenomenon like this across an entire team it has to be coaching. We certainly have things to angry at DG for as well, don't get me wrong, but if most of the players he brought in had just played "as advertised" (not even necessarily over-achieved) then I think we'd be looking at a very different record right now. It doesn't make sense that ALL of these guys come in with a particular resume and for some reason don't even come close to living up to that resume. To me that speaks more to coaching than anything else.

Collinsworth being in awe about the fact Omameh and Flowers couldn't identify a simple stunt still rings in my ears (from 2018)... I still believe that was on the coaching.
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Jim from Katonah : 12/11/2019 12:09 am : link
In comment 14713917 Leg of Theismann said:
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In comment 14713809 Sean said:


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Belichick: “Good players can’t overcome bad coaching.”



Which makes a lot of sense when you consider the fact that almost every Giants free agent and/or trade acquisition has under-performed compared to his play with previous teams. I have a hard time believing Solder, or especially Zeitler, just all of a sudden flat-out suck and don't belong in the NFL. These guys have plenty of film evidence from years of playing in the NFL and clearly being above-average starters... I really believe when you see a phenomenon like this across an entire team it has to be coaching. We certainly have things to angry at DG for as well, don't get me wrong, but if most of the players he brought in had just played "as advertised" (not even necessarily over-achieved) then I think we'd be looking at a very different record right now. It doesn't make sense that ALL of these guys come in with a particular resume and for some reason don't even come close to living up to that resume. To me that speaks more to coaching than anything else.

Collinsworth being in awe about the fact Omameh and Flowers couldn't identify a simple stunt still rings in my ears (from 2018)... I still believe that was on the coaching.


My favorite moment of the Shurmur Regime was when, much to
Eric Smith’s surprise, he was thrust into the game at OT... he was one injury away, but was never told he might play OT that week until seconds before he entered the game.

Do your job!

Wait, what’s my job?
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Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/11/2019 8:19 am : link
In comment 14713917 Leg of Theismann said:
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In comment 14713809 Sean said:


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Belichick: “Good players can’t overcome bad coaching.”



Which makes a lot of sense when you consider the fact that almost every Giants free agent and/or trade acquisition has under-performed compared to his play with previous teams. I have a hard time believing Solder, or especially Zeitler, just all of a sudden flat-out suck and don't belong in the NFL. These guys have plenty of film evidence from years of playing in the NFL and clearly being above-average starters... I really believe when you see a phenomenon like this across an entire team it has to be coaching. We certainly have things to angry at DG for as well, don't get me wrong, but if most of the players he brought in had just played "as advertised" (not even necessarily over-achieved) then I think we'd be looking at a very different record right now. It doesn't make sense that ALL of these guys come in with a particular resume and for some reason don't even come close to living up to that resume. To me that speaks more to coaching than anything else.

Collinsworth being in awe about the fact Omameh and Flowers couldn't identify a simple stunt still rings in my ears (from 2018)... I still believe that was on the coaching.

The flip side, how does an oline made out of a 2nd rounder, nepotism, doughnuts and bagel slap around Ray Lewis and prime Balt D.
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Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/11/2019 8:40 am : link
In comment 14713945 Jim from Katonah said:
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In comment 14713917 Leg of Theismann said:


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In comment 14713809 Sean said:


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Belichick: “Good players can’t overcome bad coaching.”



Which makes a lot of sense when you consider the fact that almost every Giants free agent and/or trade acquisition has under-performed compared to his play with previous teams. I have a hard time believing Solder, or especially Zeitler, just all of a sudden flat-out suck and don't belong in the NFL. These guys have plenty of film evidence from years of playing in the NFL and clearly being above-average starters... I really believe when you see a phenomenon like this across an entire team it has to be coaching. We certainly have things to angry at DG for as well, don't get me wrong, but if most of the players he brought in had just played "as advertised" (not even necessarily over-achieved) then I think we'd be looking at a very different record right now. It doesn't make sense that ALL of these guys come in with a particular resume and for some reason don't even come close to living up to that resume. To me that speaks more to coaching than anything else.

Collinsworth being in awe about the fact Omameh and Flowers couldn't identify a simple stunt still rings in my ears (from 2018)... I still believe that was on the coaching.



My favorite moment of the Shurmur Regime was when, much to
Eric Smith’s surprise, he was thrust into the game at OT... he was one injury away, but was never told he might play OT that week until seconds before he entered the game.

Do your job!

Wait, what’s my job?

Mine was when Remer and Zeitler stood there doing nothing while Chandler Jones just waltzed passed them for the easiest sack in history.
That's what I love about Belichick  
nzyme : 12/11/2019 9:35 am : link
Even with all technology and analytics he doesn't lose sight of what happens on the field.

Look at the comment he made about Carl Banks on how to play a certain look the offensive is showing you. This was years ago but there a certain aspects of the game that will never change that are pillars to build upon. He knows where that line begins and ends on all of that stuff.
Saban  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/11/2019 9:49 am : link
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"One of the things that I really learned from you (Bill Belichick) when we were in Cleveland is how to utilize your personnel that you have on your team. Not asking guys to do things that they can’t, and try to adapt things so that the players that you have get the best chance to excel."


That quote rang out to me watching the Giants and throughout the NFL and wondering about certain players on this team and thinking a number of them are being miscast and coached incorrectly.

All NFL players have talent, otherwise they wouldn't be there. Some guys get coached up. Other guys get coached down. Some players need the right system and put the right position to succeed. Others don't need that kind of help and can play beyond the coaching.

It's like a teacher in a school. You have say, 30 students in a class. You can't teach them all the same. Some need help. Some don't. Some don't need to read the material fully to understand. Others need note cards and a highlighter to remember stuff. You find out which students need that kind of help and you guide them. There is no "one size fits all" method.

That might be the worst thing about coaching today as we see the stunning decline of quality coaches, particularly in college and pro football.
Here is my favorite quote...  
cjac : 12/11/2019 10:21 am : link
"Good players cannot overcome bad coaching"

We've been watching it for 3 years in a row....
BTW...  
bw in dc : 12/11/2019 7:51 pm : link
How great was Belichick having Flutie drop kick for the point after...
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WillVAB : 12/11/2019 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14713809 Sean said:
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Belichick: “Good players can’t overcome bad coaching.”


Just finished watching and this stuck out to me as well. Exactly what’s going on with the Giants right now.
Worthless show without Pat Shurmur.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/11/2019 11:30 pm : link
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Two more impressions I got from this...  
bw in dc : 12/12/2019 1:31 am : link
I didn’t realize just how close Saban and Belichick are. And I get the sense Belichick leans more on Saban than the other way around...
I watched this last night.  
BrettNYG10 : 12/12/2019 1:53 pm : link
I was shocked by this quote by Saban:

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One thing that you do, that a lot of the NFL guys don’t do, I don’t know that you’ve ever picked one of our guys if you never talked to me before picking him,” Saban tells Belichick in the documentary. “And there’s a few other guys in the league that do that. But then there’s another 30 teams that I never hear from, and then they pick somebody and I’m saying, ‘They picked that guy?’ or whatever. And then they say, ‘Well, we didn’t know this.’ Well, all you had to do is call and I would have told you the good stuff and I would’ve told you any issue.
Brett  
figgy2989 : 12/12/2019 1:57 pm : link
Haven't watched it yet, but that quote is amazing. I can't believe with all the coaching ties throughout the NFL and NCAA, that NFL coaches wouldn't reach out to their college coaches to get some insight.

RE: Worthless show without Pat Shurmur.  
cjac : 12/12/2019 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14715271 Dave in Hoboken said:
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That is called "The Art of Losing"

Chapter 46 will air on Sunday at 1pm
RE: I watched this last night.  
bw in dc : 12/12/2019 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14716191 BrettNYG10 said:
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I was shocked by this quote by Saban:



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One thing that you do, that a lot of the NFL guys don’t do, I don’t know that you’ve ever picked one of our guys if you never talked to me before picking him,” Saban tells Belichick in the documentary. “And there’s a few other guys in the league that do that. But then there’s another 30 teams that I never hear from, and then they pick somebody and I’m saying, ‘They picked that guy?’ or whatever. And then they say, ‘Well, we didn’t know this.’ Well, all you had to do is call and I would have told you the good stuff and I would’ve told you any issue.



That was odd. How do you select a player - draft or in undrafted pool - and not speak to the coach for further insight? That's due diligence 101.

And especially Alabama...unless the thought is - "well, it's Alabama. The player must be good to go..."
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