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battttles : 12/10/2019 11:58 pm
Breaking: Gerrit Cole to Yankees. 9 years. 36M per. 324M total.
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Does Cole  
BigBluesman : 12/11/2019 4:55 pm : link
boot Voit from #45 then? He should buy him something nice.
RE: Does Cole  
RasputinPrime : 12/11/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14715008 BigBluesman said:
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boot Voit from #45 then? He should buy him something nice.


We should give Cole number #324
Happ has the 17M vest after 165 IP  
arniefez : 12/11/2019 5:00 pm : link
or 27 starts next year for year 3. I'm pretty sure the Yankees are going to make sure that doesn't happen with them one way or another.
Well, I am not fond of this kind of contracts, especially for a  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/11/2019 5:02 pm : link
pitcher, but Cole was the only one you’d give it to.

This put pressure on Cash to make smart moves to shore up the rest of the team. He’s gotta promote the right prospects and make small trades to make the team more balanced ie left-handed and more contact oriented. There isn’t a lot of flexibility however, so it will be interesting to see what he does.

I wouldn’t sign Dellin, as much as I love him. Loasiga needs to be in the pen now, which probably suits him better anyway. Montgomery and German can handle the 5th spot. It sucks that Frazier can’t play CF, I guess Gardner has to be back to man CF until Hicks returns. Sounds like they love Voit and Urshela, although I much prefer to hang onto Andujar’s bat. Frazier and Andujar for Josh Bell might not be a terrible idea...
RE: Well, I am not fond of this kind of contracts, especially for a  
RasputinPrime : 12/11/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14715018 Jim in Hoboken said:
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pitcher, but Cole was the only one you’d give it to.

This put pressure on Cash to make smart moves to shore up the rest of the team. He’s gotta promote the right prospects and make small trades to make the team more balanced ie left-handed and more contact oriented. There isn’t a lot of flexibility however, so it will be interesting to see what he does.

I wouldn’t sign Dellin, as much as I love him. Loasiga needs to be in the pen now, which probably suits him better anyway. Montgomery and German can handle the 5th spot. It sucks that Frazier can’t play CF, I guess Gardner has to be back to man CF until Hicks returns. Sounds like they love Voit and Urshela, although I much prefer to hang onto Andujar’s bat. Frazier and Andujar for Josh Bell might not be a terrible idea...


I love Dellin and my heart wants what it wants. I don't disagree that it may be time to move on. Perhaps a very incentivized deal is coming.

Frazier has so much potential. He just needs the team to support him and I don't think this organization bends that way. If that is the case, they should move him to an organization that will get the most out of him.

I don't think we should sell low on Miggy. A move for Bell should be built around Voit/Frazier and our pitching depth. I love Bell and would pull the trigger if the Pirates are interested but not for Andujar. We held on to him and ended with Cole anyways!
Domingo German  
DC Gmen Fan : 12/11/2019 5:08 pm : link
coming back as well right?
disregard  
DC Gmen Fan : 12/11/2019 5:09 pm : link
.
I think this could be an issue  
arniefez : 12/11/2019 5:13 pm : link
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Luke Voit
@LLVIII40

@GerritCole45 Hey the number 45 jersey fits really weird and runs really big...not a problem that you will want worry about for 9 years so I’ll take care of it! #Congratsman #letsget28


First Voit needs to see if he's on the opening 25 or even at ST.

I'm sure he's just joking around but If Cole really wants #45 he'll be #45.

RE: I think this could be an issue  
illmatic : 12/11/2019 5:34 pm : link
In comment 14715029 arniefez said:
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Luke Voit
@LLVIII40

@GerritCole45 Hey the number 45 jersey fits really weird and runs really big...not a problem that you will want worry about for 9 years so I’ll take care of it! #Congratsman #letsget28



First Voit needs to see if he's on the opening 25 or even at ST.

I'm sure he's just joking around but If Cole really wants #45 he'll be #45.


Did you misread it or something? I'm almost positive he wasn't being sarcastic. He's literally saying "hey, I'm going to give you 45." I'm not sure why that would ever be an issue.
I guess it is a weird tweet  
illmatic : 12/11/2019 5:35 pm : link
I took it as him saying it ran big on himself or something but yeah, I can see it being read differently on second thought.
Cashman  
BigBluesman : 12/11/2019 5:40 pm : link
would have a word with him about it and that would be it were it an issue at all. I like Luke. If he is really not willing to give up #45, that would say a lot about him, in a bad way. I don't think it will get there.
Yanks interested in Maldonado for backup C. Nice thought.  
yatqb : 12/11/2019 6:33 pm : link
No bat but great pitch framer who worked great with Cole (this according to MLB network).
I was kidding and I think Voit  
arniefez : 12/11/2019 6:51 pm : link
Is kidding. Will not be an issue
RE: Yanks interested in Maldonado for backup C. Nice thought.  
RasputinPrime : 12/11/2019 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14715103 yatqb said:
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No bat but great pitch framer who worked great with Cole (this according to MLB network).


We already have that and better with Romine and/or Higgy.
RE: RE: Yanks interested in Maldonado for backup C. Nice thought.  
rich in DC : 12/11/2019 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14715166 RasputinPrime said:
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No bat but great pitch framer who worked great with Cole (this according to MLB network).



We already have that and better with Romine and/or Higgy.


He'd be Cole's personal C- go look at the numbers Cole put up with him behind the plate. Whatever it takes for Cole to be successful, the Yanks will do it.
RE: RE: RE: Yanks interested in Maldonado for backup C. Nice thought.  
Giantz_comeback : 12/11/2019 8:27 pm : link
In comment 14715169 rich in DC said:
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No bat but great pitch framer who worked great with Cole (this according to MLB network).



We already have that and better with Romine and/or Higgy.



He'd be Cole's personal C- go look at the numbers Cole put up with him behind the plate. Whatever it takes for Cole to be successful, the Yanks will do it.


If thats hos most successful battery mate, go get him.
I like Higgy  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2019 10:30 pm : link
But if Cole wants Maldonado, then sign him. If you spend $324 million on a guy, you do whatever he wants to be comfortable. Don't be dummies like the Mets were with Syndergaard last season.
Go after Merrifield  
Giantz_comeback : 12/11/2019 10:31 pm : link
Can play OF and 2nd base. Perfect compliment to the current line up. 4 years cost controlled at 16,25 mill total next 4.

It will be a fairly heavy cost in prospects but worth it IMO.

Nonetheless, Merrifield’s value may never be higher when it comes to a potential deal. While defensive metrics are not fond of his play at second, he would be an upgrade for most teams offensively at the position. Meanwhile, he has graded out as an above average outfielder, particularly in center.


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Why does everyone want another infielder so badly?  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2019 10:38 pm : link
I don't quite get it.
RE: Why does everyone want another infielder so badly?  
Del Shofner : 12/11/2019 10:43 pm : link
In comment 14715248 Greg from LI said:
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I don't quite get it.


with Didi gone, and Torres not completely proven at short, I can see it. I don't think third, second or first are the issue.

Nice  
HomerJones45 : 12/11/2019 10:50 pm : link
Merrifield would be a nice add for center field.
Rendon to the Angels  
Stu11 : 12/11/2019 10:53 pm : link
7 years/245
RE: RE: Why does everyone want another infielder so badly?  
Giantz_comeback : 12/11/2019 10:54 pm : link
In comment 14715251 Del Shofner said:
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I don't quite get it.



with Didi gone, and Torres not completely proven at short, I can see it. I don't think third, second or first are the issue.


Merrifield offers both Middle infield and OF versatility and he is a .300 hitter. Very good fit for this line up.

The trade Matt in SGS mentioned seemed pretty interesting too.
RE: I like Higgy  
Nine-Tails : 12/11/2019 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14715241 Greg from LI said:
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But if Cole wants Maldonado, then sign him. If you spend $324 million on a guy, you do whatever he wants to be comfortable. Don't be dummies like the Mets were with Syndergaard last season.


Yep just like you said. Already shelled out the big bucks, now do what you can to maximize him
Maldonado would save us some bucks vs. Romine,  
yatqb : 12/11/2019 11:35 pm : link
but obviously not vs. Higi.
Big get for Angels  
adamg : 12/11/2019 11:42 pm : link
They'll be good
RE: Big get for Angels  
Dunedin81 : 12/12/2019 8:40 am : link
In comment 14715285 adamg said:
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They'll be good


They'll have the same problems they did last year. A lineup that is great at the top but pretty shallow and a pitching staff that is likely to rank among the worst in baseball. Rendon helps; among other things he will solidify their infield defense. You could see a scenario where Adell is a beast from Day 1 and Canning is a legit 2-3 starter, and they're likely to grab a pitcher or two on the trade market or in free agency, but it's probably an 85 win team as constituted, especially in a competitive division. Really goes to show you what having a shit farm system at length can do to a team.
RE: RE: Big get for Angels  
giants_10_88 : 12/12/2019 9:01 am : link
In comment 14715464 Dunedin81 said:
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They'll be good



They'll have the same problems they did last year. A lineup that is great at the top but pretty shallow and a pitching staff that is likely to rank among the worst in baseball. Rendon helps; among other things he will solidify their infield defense. You could see a scenario where Adell is a beast from Day 1 and Canning is a legit 2-3 starter, and they're likely to grab a pitcher or two on the trade market or in free agency, but it's probably an 85 win team as constituted, especially in a competitive division. Really goes to show you what having a shit farm system at length can do to a team.


Plus if they have injuries they're screwed. Yet we had enough depth to withstand injuries and still win 103 games. Depth matters.
RE: Rendon to the Angels  
section125 : 12/12/2019 9:08 am : link
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7 years/245


Holy crap just read that in the Post...numbers are getting crazy and these luxury tax levels will need to drastically change next CBA...
RE: RE: Why does everyone want another infielder so badly?  
section125 : 12/12/2019 9:13 am : link
In comment 14715251 Del Shofner said:
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I don't quite get it.



with Didi gone, and Torres not completely proven at short, I can see it. I don't think third, second or first are the issue.


They don't need a 2nd baseman...I think Wade and Estrada can adequately cover SS as backup.

As to Maldonado, eh...If he is cheaper than Romine ok. But is he better than Higgy? Probably better arm?
I see everyone has already moved on to the next move  
Thankyoueli : 12/12/2019 9:35 am : link
Boy we are Yankee fans arent we? Lol

But seriously, I'm still just.. in disbelief and giddy over Cole.

I was actually really alarmed when Cashman dropped the quote "we will give it a championship effort". I said oh great, preparing the fans for dissapointment. Where they will lowball him at $250m, get blown out of the water, claim to the public that they were the highest bidder and say he just preferred the west coast.

Thank God that was just me overanalyzing. I'm so siked for baseball season.
RE: I see everyone has already moved on to the next move  
section125 : 12/12/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14715558 Thankyoueli said:
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..... I'm so "psyched: for baseball season.
fixed

It is maybe all we have..
Greg  
Bill2 : 12/12/2019 10:23 am : link
I agree they don't "need" anything.

IF they want to get to the next level of play, a very good SS who hits for contact/OBP. on a steady basis provides us more folks at their best positions and offsets the cold as hell periodic slumps of Judge, Hicks, Stanton and Sanchez.

And we have players close to their max value that will not make it to core Yankees and could decline in value or clog the 40
sorry  
Bill2 : 12/12/2019 10:24 am : link
those were imo submissions and not close to being facts
RE: Greg  
section125 : 12/12/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14715652 Bill2 said:
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I agree they don't "need" anything.

IF they want to get to the next level of play, a very good SS who hits for contact/OBP. on a steady basis provides us more folks at their best positions and offsets the cold as hell periodic slumps of Judge, Hicks, Stanton and Sanchez.

And we have players close to their max value that will not make it to core Yankees and could decline in value or clog the 40


Bill2 I think that Torres can fulfill what you listed for the SS position, plus he has pop, a lot of pop. He may not have Didi's range, but he's better than Jeter. I think Urshela, Torres, DJLM and Voit/Ford is a more than adequate infield, not ideal, but Wade or Estrada can come in late for Voit and let DJ move to 1st for better defense.

I'm interested to see if Voit improves his defense. I know he is shutdown right now to let that surgery heal. But the guy works very hard and I think he got much better(comparatively) last season, especially on bad throws.
RE: Greg  
Giantz_comeback : 12/12/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14715652 Bill2 said:
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I agree they don't "need" anything.

IF they want to get to the next level of play, a very good SS who hits for contact/OBP. on a steady basis provides us more folks at their best positions and offsets the cold as hell periodic slumps of Judge, Hicks, Stanton and Sanchez.

And we have players close to their max value that will not make it to core Yankees and could decline in value or clog the 40


After the Cole signing, I think they are going to be very cost conscious with the players they add even with guys like Ellsbury and Happ etc. coming off the books next year.


I think a guy like Merrifield or guys like Frazier and maybe even Bell (like Matt from SGS mentioned yesterday) from Pitts will be options for trade. Cost controlled players for a few years who can produce RIGHT NOW on the MLB level. This team is set to win now and Cash will trade in some chips to fortify the team while trying to keep us from going too high over multiple luxury tax threshold levels.

So guys like Lindor, Kris Bryant who are in that $15 mill range already and 1 year or so away from FA (or big ARB salary raises) will likely not be targets.
Josh Hader would  
giants_10_88 : 12/12/2019 11:01 am : link
be an awesome get.
Gardner allegedly  
bigbluehoya : 12/12/2019 11:14 am : link
coming back for 1 x $12.5M, with some kind of option for a second year at $20M. Presumably it's a team option, and presumably there's some kind of buyout in there.

Not a big deal, but this is an overpay for what is almost sure to be a bigtime regression. 1 year won't kill them. Hopefully Hicks heals fast.
RE: Gardner allegedly  
bigbluehoya : 12/12/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14715774 bigbluehoya said:
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coming back for 1 x $12.5M, with some kind of option for a second year at $20M. Presumably it's a team option, and presumably there's some kind of buyout in there.

Not a big deal, but this is an overpay for what is almost sure to be a bigtime regression. 1 year won't kill them. Hopefully Hicks heals fast.


this initial info was incorrect, thankfully
I’d much prefer Torres primarily at 2B, but I think it will be much  
yatqb : 12/12/2019 11:37 am : link
like last season, with him playing a lot of SS and Wade or Estrada filling in when he shifts to 2B or DH. Not ideal. It will be interesting to see if the analytics group comes up with a SS and/or CF who plays great defense that we trade for.
Gardy re-signs.  
section125 : 12/12/2019 11:42 am : link
One year $12.5. As I suspected. A little sweeter so he only gets 1 year deal and not two.

Ducks are falling...
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Gardy- 8 mill base, 2 mill signing bonus and a 2.5 buyout  
Stu11 : 12/12/2019 11:48 am : link
or 10 mill salary next year as per Jack Curry on twitter.
Didn't know they had signing bonus in baseball. Think he meant incentives?
Bill, we have a disagreement about Torres  
Greg from LI : 12/12/2019 11:52 am : link
You don't think he can handle shortstop, I do.

On the Merrifield thing, he doesn't play shortstop, so who would he be taking PT from?

And honestly, I don't see the need to trade for Josh Bell either. He had an incredible first half of the season and slumped dramatically in the second half. He never had a season close to last year's before. He showed a bit more power than Voit (last year, at least) but Voit's a better OBP guy. Bell's no better at first than Voit is - they're both butchers. Voit's under team control for longer. The only real advantage he has is switch hitting.

Voit had been nothing but productive as a Yankee until the hernia. I expect him to bounce back strong.
the Yankees won a bunch of titles with weak defensive SS and C  
Greg from LI : 12/12/2019 11:55 am : link
Because those guys were upper echelon hitters for their positions. It's a big advantage. I see the same possibility here, only Gary is a better catcher than Georgie. Yes, that does depend on him getting back to the hitter he was a couple of years ago, but even with a disappointing 2019, he was still one of the more productive catchers at the plate.
I imagine that if things stay as they are, the Yanks will make  
yatqb : 12/12/2019 12:05 pm : link
some defensive late switches in games that they lead. Gleyber to 2B, DJ to 1B, Wade or some top defensive SS to SS. The 26th player may be a help in that; I'm thinking it will be Wade, as his speed helps in other ways as a 26th piece.
Greg  
Bill2 : 12/12/2019 12:29 pm : link
What? We have a different point of view?

Hard to believe.

(Take care my friend).

Is Wade any better at SS than Torres?  
Greg from LI : 12/12/2019 12:30 pm : link
I haven't seen him play there enough to really have an opinion.

I do think many of you are excessively negative on Torres at SS. He played better there than he did at second.
I suppose it has happened a time or two!  
Greg from LI : 12/12/2019 12:31 pm : link
Always appreciate your comments, Bill, even when I think you're wrong :)
Right back at you Greg  
Bill2 : 12/12/2019 12:41 pm : link
We have probably been reading each other on 250 Threads per year for 12 years or so.

Kind of amazing how much some of us have interacted over time.

You would think the teams we root for would have gotten it right by now.

We certainly have been telling them the right things to do!
oh, you have no idea what it's like to be an ignored genius!  
Greg from LI : 12/12/2019 12:45 pm : link
The sheer agony of it all. Takes all I have to keep plugging away in the vain hopes that I will finally be recognized!
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