Finally, a championship rotation to go with a deep lineup and great bullpen. Kudos to Hal for breaking the bank. Oh, and fuck the Astros. Yankees are World Series favorites - right where they belong.
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Gerrit Cole has an opt-out clause after the fifth year of his deal with the New York Yankees, a source tells ESPN.
You knew there would be an opt-out.....it's good for the Yankees that it's after 5 years and not 3 years. Cole will be 34 then, if he opts out we got his best years already.
Jeff Passan
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Gerrit Cole has an opt-out clause after the fifth year of his deal with the New York Yankees, a source tells ESPN.
You knew there would be an opt-out.....it's good for the Yankees that it's after 5 years and not 3 years. Cole will be 34 then, if he opts out we got his best years already.
Yep, I have no issue with it. It will be when he's 34, that's fair. And it's still soooo long from now.
Knowing the empire is back. Rosenthal said Cole was the Dodgers top priority all offseason and they cleared lots of salary for him and we just straight bullied them and the Angels into submission.
I'll say it again, when the NY Yankees go all in, no single team can touch them.
Why? Strasburg is getting $35M/yr, Cole is getting $36M/yr. The difference is Cole's has 2 more years on it than Stras, but Cole is 2 years younger than Stras. Everyone knew Cole was going to make more than Stras, I'm glad it was only $1M more per year, and I think mathematically the contracts make perfect sense in relation to each other, regardless of when they were signed.
You can count on several Yankee fans not liking the deal as being too much money or that it is 9 years if he doesn't opt out. There will be at least one "Cole will be 38 in 2028 and this deal will kill their cap, I just cannot get behind it." Or "I hate this deal. Now how do we resign Austin Romine? Too many other holes that could be filled."
BBI - the one place in the world where no one is ever happy, even when good things happen.
Matt Blake would be fired within 15 minutes of the first hit off of Cole in spring training.
And the first Cole loss would see a Daily News backpage headline calling all his "baseball people" down to Tampa to find out why Im getting bad advice and what has to be done about this Astro pussy
Now, there are some interesting things to discuss.
1. What happens with Happ? Yes, nobody wants to see him starting games in the post season but as a fifth starter he makes a ton of sense to keep. However, because of the money I can see him being moved. German is dealing with the suspension. We are all excited about Garcia but I assume there is no rush to get him to the majors. And we also have Montgomery.
2. Andujar ... He was always a great trading chip for a SP but now that Didi was a casualty it makes sense to keep him. I would love a platoon of Gio and Andujar at 3B. Here is the problem, we cannot really afford to have 2 guys that are strictly 3B so can Andujar play 1B? I hope so. Worst case is that I am sure Gio could play 1B but do we really want his defense taken away from 3B?
3. Who is playing CF? I really like what Tauchman brought to the team last year. However, I am not sure he will be as effective starting every game. I heard they were talking with Gardner. I get it. We need to save money now and he will be cheap but it is truly time to move on. He was a great guy to root for but enough is enough. They have had great success the last couple of years or so with acquiring cheap options in the OF who have exceeded those expectations. I'd rather see Maybin in CF than to re-sign Gardner.
Most of the rest of the league has been spending Yankees money shared via luxury tax and revenue sharing on free agents for several years now...nice to see the Yanks give the rest of the league the finger with a big time free agent again, like the old days
This is a move to win 2-3 championships. The 2009 team had an aging Core Four trying to get one more title. They have a new, younger core of players now. I see this more like 1996/1998 where they are just kicking this party off and are going to go on another run.
Now, there are some interesting things to discuss.
1. What happens with Happ? Yes, nobody wants to see him starting games in the post season but as a fifth starter he makes a ton of sense to keep. However, because of the money I can see him being moved. German is dealing with the suspension. We are all excited about Garcia but I assume there is no rush to get him to the majors. And we also have Montgomery.
2. Andujar ... He was always a great trading chip for a SP but now that Didi was a casualty it makes sense to keep him. I would love a platoon of Gio and Andujar at 3B. Here is the problem, we cannot really afford to have 2 guys that are strictly 3B so can Andujar play 1B? I hope so. Worst case is that I am sure Gio could play 1B but do we really want his defense taken away from 3B?
3. Who is playing CF? I really like what Tauchman brought to the team last year. However, I am not sure he will be as effective starting every game. I heard they were talking with Gardner. I get it. We need to save money now and he will be cheap but it is truly time to move on. He was a great guy to root for but enough is enough. They have had great success the last couple of years or so with acquiring cheap options in the OF who have exceeded those expectations. I'd rather see Maybin in CF than to re-sign Gardner.
1.) Happ will be moved to save $$. Montgomery or German will be the fifth. German can go to the pen as the 6th when he comes off suspension.
2.) You answered part of your question in your last sentence. They won't take Urshela off 3rd. His defense is far to good. Not sure what they do with Aundujar, but his bat is too good to dismiss
3.) Maybin in CF is a disaster. He barely handled LF. Tauchman can play CF if needed, but they will resign Gardy as they should, he may want 2 years, but I'd bet he gets 1 at about $10-12 - a little higher to get out of two years. I do not expect 2019 numbers again. But when it comes to defense, Gardner is still superior to everyone they have except Hicks(with Hicks arm the difference). If Gardner insists on two years, I walk away. Go with Tauchman and spell him with Judge.
I like Maybin, but a corner only.
A handful of players in the league that deserve a contract of this size and Cole is one of them. Losing out on him would have been pretty devastating. A legit game changer and proven in October. Great job yanks
Most of the rest of the league has been spending Yankees money shared via luxury tax and revenue sharing on free agents for several years now...nice to see the Yanks give the rest of the league the finger with a big time free agent again, like the old days
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Well I asked yesterday, 'Hal, are you really all in?
The answer was a resounding yes, they got the big kahuna!
Good move by the Yanks to bring Pettitte out to the west coast as well, he lives in the Houston area,
and played for both the Yanks and Astros...that is called first hand knowledge. Wonder if there is an opt-out, didn't hear that?
RE: RE: Great news, well done Cashman, Hal and company! Â
Most of the rest of the league has been spending Yankees money shared via luxury tax and revenue sharing on free agents for several years now...nice to see the Yanks give the rest of the league the finger with a big time free agent again, like the old days
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Well I asked yesterday, 'Hal, are you really all in?
The answer was a resounding yes, they got the big kahuna!
Good move by the Yanks to bring Pettitte out to the west coast as well, he lives in the Houston area,
and played for both the Yanks and Astros...that is called first hand knowledge. Wonder if there is an opt-out, didn't hear that?
5th year player opt-out. No big deal...
RE: RE: RE: Great news, well done Cashman, Hal and company! Â
Most of the rest of the league has been spending Yankees money shared via luxury tax and revenue sharing on free agents for several years now...nice to see the Yanks give the rest of the league the finger with a big time free agent again, like the old days
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Well I asked yesterday, 'Hal, are you really all in?
The answer was a resounding yes, they got the big kahuna!
Good move by the Yanks to bring Pettitte out to the west coast as well, he lives in the Houston area,
and played for both the Yanks and Astros...that is called first hand knowledge. Wonder if there is an opt-out, didn't hear that?
5th year player opt-out. No big deal...
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It's really not a surprise, I was just curious.
Now they can sign Gardner, and try to move Happ
I would think.
RE: Is nobody else concerned over a 9 year deal? Â
Nope - they wanted one of the top guys, this was what it was going to cost to get one of the top guys.
Simultaneously strengthens the Yankees and weakens their primary opponent. Life is good! Thanks Cash and Boss Jr.!
I usually hate this length deal. But Cole(knock on wood) has been healthy. I view him as a Verlander, Scherzer, Nolan Ryan type pitcher. Solid build with a body built for pitching. He is one of the few players I feel comfortable giving this length contract. I would not be surprised to see him still dealing upper 90s past 36 years old, in fact, I expect it.
If you assume you're getting 5 good years out of him, at which point he either falls off a cliff or opts out - then it's $64M/year.
That's a crazy number if you think of it that way - but that's how these guys get paid. Nobody thinks they're going to be productive for the duration of the contract, but they're not going to sign a short term contract of the same value. By spreading it out it seems more palatable - and it's gravy if the player's decline is flatter on the back end (tapers off instead of cratering).
CC got some crazy money too, and he was worth it. It doesn't look so bad now because of inflation, and that's likely the way we'll look at Cole too, provided we get that solid 5 years out of him.
If he wins a championship, nobody will ever care about the length or the money involved.
If you assume you're getting 5 good years out of him, at which point he either falls off a cliff or opts out - then it's $64M/year.
That's a crazy number if you think of it that way - but that's how these guys get paid. Nobody thinks they're going to be productive for the duration of the contract, but they're not going to sign a short term contract of the same value. By spreading it out it seems more palatable - and it's gravy if the player's decline is flatter on the back end (tapers off instead of cratering).
CC got some crazy money too, and he was worth it. It doesn't look so bad now because of inflation, and that's likely the way we'll look at Cole too, provided we get that solid 5 years out of him.
If he wins a championship, nobody will ever care about the length or the money involved.
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The Nats kinda screwed up the payscale here, even for the top two guys. They were concerned I believe if the Yanks or Angels or Dodgers didn't get Cole, well they would go over lets says 220 mill. for Stras, just a guess.
So they blew it away for him, with no opt out.
He did just opt out on the Nats, so...they didn't do it again with him.
After that, you just knew it would be 300+ to get Cole.
He has been a healthy pitcher, so fingers crossed there!
But if there was a guy on which to make this kind of splurge, it is Cole. Very Scherzer-like in his trajectory (performance, velocity), durable frame. If he stays healthy, there's a good chance you get 3-4 years of elite production and at least a couple more of solid or better. They walk into ST the best team in the AL by a considerable margin. If you get solid performance from Severino you're in great shape. If he's back to form, that could easily be a top 3 rotation in baseball.
Now, there are some interesting things to discuss.
1. What happens with Happ? Yes, nobody wants to see him starting games in the post season but as a fifth starter he makes a ton of sense to keep. However, because of the money I can see him being moved. German is dealing with the suspension. We are all excited about Garcia but I assume there is no rush to get him to the majors. And we also have Montgomery.
2. Andujar ... He was always a great trading chip for a SP but now that Didi was a casualty it makes sense to keep him. I would love a platoon of Gio and Andujar at 3B. Here is the problem, we cannot really afford to have 2 guys that are strictly 3B so can Andujar play 1B? I hope so. Worst case is that I am sure Gio could play 1B but do we really want his defense taken away from 3B?
3. Who is playing CF? I really like what Tauchman brought to the team last year. However, I am not sure he will be as effective starting every game. I heard they were talking with Gardner. I get it. We need to save money now and he will be cheap but it is truly time to move on. He was a great guy to root for but enough is enough. They have had great success the last couple of years or so with acquiring cheap options in the OF who have exceeded those expectations. I'd rather see Maybin in CF than to re-sign Gardner.
Good post. First world problems lol. On your top 3:
1. Happ. At 17 mill he is a big luxury. Sure you would like a steady 5th starter but out of German (who is still an unknown suspension wise), Montgomery, Loaisiga, and a deep pen with a couple good long men you piece that part together. They also may make a cheap replacement move here too.
2. No problem trading Andujar as I really believe we need a high contact/low K hitter to better balance out this line up. I think part of the reason we get shut down in the post season is we have a lot of really good power but guys who swing and miss a lot. When pitching is elite those guys tend to strike out a lot. Its why the old dynasty Yanks were so tough , not a ton of power but guys who could consistently get the bat on the ball. Give me another guy closer to Gleyber and DJ who will get the bat on the ball more often against better pitching.
3. Related to #2 perhaps we get this high contact/low K guy in CF. That would kill 2 birds with one stone. Otherwise I don't hate Maybin there considering we have such a potent line-up even without Didi.
A true ace to go with a bunch of great 2s. We have a great staff now.
I’m guessing we see Andujar at 1B.a lot, and he’s a great contact hitter — really squares up pitches and struck out less than 100 times in almost 600 ABs in his rookie year.
Defense at SS and the OF may be an issue, but Cash isn’t done yet!
The rest of this team is ready to win now and win for a while. The cost is high, but that's how much it costs for the difference between the #2 style guys the Yankees are rolling out and have been for many years and a true honest to goodness ace. You can save 100 million dollars over that 9 years by and win 100 games every year. But, that elite starter in the postseason is a true difference maker.
The rest of this team is ready to win now and win for a while. The cost is high, but that's how much it costs for the difference between the #2 style guys the Yankees are rolling out and have been for many years and a true honest to goodness ace. You can save 100 million dollars over that 9 years by and win 100 games every year. But, that elite starter in the postseason is a true difference maker.
Agreed high cost but necessary for the postseason balance to shift.
A true ace to go with a bunch of great 2s. We have a great staff now.
I’m guessing we see Andujar at 1B.a lot, and he’s a great contact hitter — really squares up pitches and struck out less than 100 times in almost 600 ABs in his rookie year.
Defense at SS and the OF may be an issue, but Cash isn’t done yet!
Andujar doesn't strike me as a plate discipline/ long quality AB guy in the postseason. Partly because he is so young but despite the pretty low K totals he is a bit of a free swinger who I think will get neutered a bit more in the playoffs. Again, I like his bat a lot but for the current team make up there could be better fits.
Also of course the suspect D and plenty of 1B options already on the team.
Cash is strong with those low key under the radar moves. I expect to see a couple of those to finish forming this roster for next year.
I get that it took this length of contract to lock him up. The last 3 years (or 100 million) will be dicey.
How old is Verlander, how old was Clemens, Mussina, Greinke? Still a risk obviously but Cole has that look of one of those guys vs. a more frail Strasberg.
As for Andujar, he squares up pitches better than anyone on the team aside from DJ. I’m not worried at all about his ability in the playoffs, and I wouldn’t trade him without getting a haul, which is unlikely coming off the injury. He’s another young stud for us.
RE: I think people get too caught up in the years Â
If you assume you're getting 5 good years out of him, at which point he either falls off a cliff or opts out - then it's $64M/year.
That's a crazy number if you think of it that way - but that's how these guys get paid. Nobody thinks they're going to be productive for the duration of the contract, but they're not going to sign a short term contract of the same value. By spreading it out it seems more palatable - and it's gravy if the player's decline is flatter on the back end (tapers off instead of cratering).
CC got some crazy money too, and he was worth it. It doesn't look so bad now because of inflation, and that's likely the way we'll look at Cole too, provided we get that solid 5 years out of him.
If he wins a championship, nobody will ever care about the length or the money involved.
Cc was worth it for I believe til his original opt out, after which we gave him a new deal. He was crap following that for several years, until he had a resurgence
I get that it took this length of contract to lock him up. The last 3 years (or 100 million) will be dicey.
He will be 37 for almost the entirety of his final season of the contract. Plenty of power pitchers are still going pretty strong at that age. Even if he's mediocre or worse for the last 2-3 years of the contract it will still have been worth it if helps us to a WS title for 2 before then.
Who are the real stud hitters in the system right now and what are their projected years to get the call-up?
I know that one international guy we just signed is pretty sick (forget his name).
Jasson Dominguez is the elite prospect you reference, he's probably 2-3 years away. But there are probably a dozen guys with huge upside that are at A ball or lower. Not a ton near at hand (a few guys with MLB upside but probably not star potential - Holder, Amburgey, Gittens) but guys like Duran, Alcantara, Pereira, Salinas, Peraza, and Breaux will probably all be in full-season and any of them could have a breakout 2020.
I'd keep Andújar unless we get a really good return Â
who knows what he'll be after missing an entire year. Greg Bird was never the same after his shoulder injury (of course he had plenty of other injuries too).
At least they have a great glove at 3B if they need it with Gio. I will be surprised if Gio can repeat his bat in 2019. I think if he's on the team Andujar will play more 3B than some people think.
The Yankees will have some offense defense choices to make in the infield. Keeping in mind the GM is an offense guy.
Andujar-Gleyber-DJ-Voit pretty weak defensively but strong offensively.
Gio-Wade-Gleyber-DJ pretty strong defensively but much weaker offensively.
As of today I think all of those players will be on the team. I think Wade will backup SS and play some OF too. His bat showed a little bit of life at times and his speed and defense is a good piece of the 2020 roster puzzle. It's also possible Estrada plays a lot at 2B/SS too.
great 2018, hurt all of last year, pretty versatile in that he can play credible 2B, 3B and corner OF, a lefty bat with a respectable K rate, doesn't walk a ton. A nice buy-low option who could hit 20+ HRs if they can find 400 ABs for him.
They're looking to move Happ and his $17M salary, and Ellsbury's $21M albatross comes off the payroll next season.
Paxton and Tanaka will also both be FA's after this year, and it will be extremely interesting to see how the Yankees deal with both of them. My early guess would be to go after Paxton and cut Tanaka loose.
if they miss on Rendon, and the market price on Rendon (and other big bats) takes him into his late 30s at $25M+ per year, I wonder if taking on the Stanton deal does become attractive to them at some point.
Highly unlikley, but I daydream about it.
Stanton is going to hit 45 bombs and OPS .900 this year... Â
I'm not sure folks understand what adding Stanton and Andujar back to the lineup will do for us.
Of course, if we could trade Stanton that would be a way to add flexibility to the lineup...more LH hitting, less Ks...but this is a nice problem to have.
Now, if Sanchez could only think up the middle at the plate consistently he wouldn't be a hole in the lineup any more. I don't understand how top hitters like him and Stanton don't think up the middle consistently.
Yankees won 100+ games last year without Sevy, and now they're adding Sevy AND Cole to the top of their rotation. Exciting stuff.
Not only Sevi, but Stanton, Andujar, Judge, Hicks, Voit and Sanchez for long stretches. It was perhaps Cashman's finest GM job.
The 1998 Yankee team was the best team I ever watched. They were a machine that just rolled teams, series after series. They won their 100th game of the season on September 4th (record of 100-38) and took their foot off the gas for a bit in the middle of the month, but racked up 7 straight wins to end the season and finish 114-48.
They had literally no holes on the team, with the possible exception of not having one big time power hitter (40-50 home runs), but they were all line drive hitters with power, top to bottom. Great staters, great pen, and Rivera to finish the game.
I know Seattle passed them with 116 wins a couple of years later (only to have the Yankees bounce them in 5 games in the ALCS), but this Yankee team, if they stay healthy, I think will break Seattle's record for most wins in a season.
to make a run at a ridiculous win total. Law of averages would figure the Yankees are much healthier next year, they just added a top three pitcher in baseball, and all the tanking teams inflate the win totals of the top teams as it is. Toss in the Sox and Astros possibly be very good but not great, and we may have a true juggernaut on our hands.
A strange thought...re-signing Romine, or landing another really Â
good receiver becomes important for the team. Although Cash has talked up Higi, he also talked up Bubba Crosby in the day. I suspect that he wants someone better than Higi to back up Sanchez.
RE: A strange thought...re-signing Romine, or landing another really Â
good receiver becomes important for the team. Although Cash has talked up Higi, he also talked up Bubba Crosby in the day. I suspect that he wants someone better than Higi to back up Sanchez.
Another great point. Would love a back-up catcher that could hit a little bit. In fact a guy that could allow Sanchez more breaks and/or to DH once in a while too.
all the money if he can win us a couple championships in the next couple years. At that point I don't care how bad he is in the last couple years of his contract.
I'm 31. My childhood was the 90s yankees. All I remember from those teams was joy. Luckily for me, we never fell off the map like some teams did after going for that ONE championship.
The Royals won that 1 championship a couple years ago and now they're completely irrelevant. With this ownership and Cashman, no matter how bad this contract looks at the end of the deal, it won't stop them from trying to win. The ellsbury contract didn't phase them at all. We all forgot he was still on the team
the Yankees are going to deal Happ for salary relief (which we know).
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
in full swing. More interesting now is why Bryant, Betts, Correa and Lindor are even in discussion to be moved. I'm glad i'm a Yankees fan where winning isn't just a sales pitch.
People keep talking about the last years of this contract. Â
I reiterate that it's a non-issue, as Boras is certain to have him opt out after 5 years if Cole is healthy at that time. The contract is really 5 years at $36M ($180M) in my mind. The concern is a second contract that the Yanks might well pony up for, but who cares about that?
I reiterate that it's a non-issue, as Boras is certain to have him opt out after 5 years if Cole is healthy at that time. The contract is really 5 years at $36M ($180M) in my mind. The concern is a second contract that the Yanks might well pony up for, but who cares about that?
At that age? Not a ton of precedent for a mega-deal, certainly not for one in excess of 4/$144. My guess is it's a safety valve in case something exceptional changes with the new CBA and the upper echelon of salaries takes a big jump upward.
Totally understandable and I agree with the decision Â
to let Didi leave. But really sad to see him go. He was one of my favorite Yankees of the 2000's. Hope he has a huge year in Philadelphia and cashes in next year.
Don't trade Andujar! He's young, cheap, and a natural contact hitter. He could roll out of bed and hit a double in his pajamas. Now that they've added Cole, there is nothing that they need so badly that would make Andujar expendable. And I love Urshela, too. They can find ways to utilize both of them.
Now may be the time to trade Sanchez. I just don't think he's a guy you can rely on, either in the field or at the plate. He's inconsistent and who knows what you're getting come playoff time. His health is a question mark as well. Another year like the last two and he will no longer have trade value. Now is the time to capitalize.
As for his replacement, they should target the top defensive catcher on the market and cash in their trade chips. He can keep the seat warm until Siegler is ready. That's how you save money against the cap so that you can afford Judge, Severino, etc.
Don't sleep on Jordan Montgomery (and not just because he's lumpy). Come April it will be almost two years since his TJ surgery and he's young enough that he should come back strong. And cheap. Once they unload Happ, he will be the lefty in the #5 hole and I think he will shine.
I should have known someone would start banging the drum Â
about trading Sanchez again. It ain't happening, so might as well get over it.
Ken Rosenthal said that Cole was the Dodgers #1 target and they were fully committed to signing him.....until they got "bullied" by the Yankees, his words. That is music to my ears. The Death Star is truly functioning again.
the Yankees are going to deal Happ for salary relief (which we know).
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
Why would Pittsburgh trade Bell, though? Is there any indication that he's on the trading block? Agree it would be great to get him, but he's one of if not their best player.
Andy Martino
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The Yankees actually knew they had an agreement with Cole about three hours before news got out. Would explain their happy demeanors in the late afternoon and evening
RE: I should have known someone would start banging the drum Â
about trading Sanchez again. It ain't happening, so might as well get over it.
Ken Rosenthal said that Cole was the Dodgers #1 target and they were fully committed to signing him.....until they got "bullied" by the Yankees, his words. That is music to my ears. The Death Star is truly functioning again.
I’ll never get over being pissed about the Dodgers bailing the Red Sox out of those awful Crawford and Beckett deals. But signing Cole also representing a big fuck you to the Dodgers does make me feel all warm and fuzzy
Why would Pittsburgh trade Bell, though? Is there any indication that he's on the trading block? Agree it would be great to get him, but he's one of if not their best player.
They are always thinking of long term salary implications. If we sent them Voit and Andujar lets say for Bell and Frazier. The cost control is much longer for the guys we send back. Not saying this has to be the exact deal but something like that.
the Yankees are going to deal Happ for salary relief (which we know).
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
That would be a ninja Cashman move!
Adam Fraizer would be a ninja move, the guy is a good contact hitter and can play multiple positions. He would be like a lesser DJ to me.
the Yankees are going to deal Happ for salary relief (which we know).
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
That would be a ninja Cashman move!
Adam Fraizer would be a ninja move, the guy is a good contact hitter and can play multiple positions. He would be like a lesser DJ to me.
Exactly the type we would want to complement this current make-up of the line-up
Alden Gonzalez
@Alden_Gonzalez
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The Dodgers felt good about their chances to land Gerrit Cole and thought they might get him right up until the time he chose the Yankees. They don't think the money was enough of a difference to lose out on him; they think in the end he simply wanted to be a Yankee.
Jack Curry
@JackCurryYES
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I didn’t include Happ as part of rotation because I think Yanks will likely move him.
Ask not who/what you can get for Happ but who/what you'll have to give to get rid of Happ (and his $17M+ vesting option).
It shouldn't take more than eating a few million dollars of it, if that. If they attach assets you're probably looking at a baseball trade where they're getting something usable in return.
Truth of the matter is that a lot of teams need pitching and the FA pricetags are steep.
My prediction is that they end up eating $3-4M and he's gone by this time Friday.
I assume we’d just need to take on about $5M of Happ’s deal, Â
Hoodie Gleyber
@HoodieGleyber
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Jack Curry says it’s unlikely Austin Romine returns to the Yankees
Hoodie Gleyber
@HoodieGleyber
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Curry says Dellin Betances is likely to sign a one-year, incentive-laden deal and the Yankees are still talking to him.
Dan Federico
@DanJFederico
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
Given the way things have played out, I don't think it's too much of a leap to assume that part of the reason the Yankees hired Blake was because they knew he would be appealing to Cole.
Dan Federico
@DanJFederico
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
Given the way things have played out, I don't think it's too much of a leap to assume that part of the reason the Yankees hired Blake was because they knew he would be appealing to Cole.
I know your feelings about Cole from the past; but are you all on board with him now?
Dan Federico
@DanJFederico
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
Given the way things have played out, I don't think it's too much of a leap to assume that part of the reason the Yankees hired Blake was because they knew he would be appealing to Cole.
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@HoodieGleyber
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Jack Curry says it’s unlikely Austin Romine returns to the Yankees
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@HoodieGleyber
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Curry says Dellin Betances is likely to sign a one-year, incentive-laden deal and the Yankees are still talking to him.
I really hope we can get a deal done with Betances and Gardy. Both have risks (injury / age) but both are all-time great Yankees who i'd like to see on a potential championship roster next year.
If we have to part with one of our many young talented arms to get rid of Happ, and if getting rid of Happ is a prerequisite to spending money on Betances and Gardy, i'm ok with it.
I will say that as much as i'm not a fan of Happ, I do believe you can never have enough starting pitching. I don't think we can count on German, Montgomery, Loasiga, King or Garcia to hold down the 5th starter spot and we are very likely to need someone to step up when one of our top 4 gets injured.
pitcher, but Cole was the only one you’d give it to.
This put pressure on Cash to make smart moves to shore up the rest of the team. He’s gotta promote the right prospects and make small trades to make the team more balanced ie left-handed and more contact oriented. There isn’t a lot of flexibility however, so it will be interesting to see what he does.
I wouldn’t sign Dellin, as much as I love him. Loasiga needs to be in the pen now, which probably suits him better anyway. Montgomery and German can handle the 5th spot. It sucks that Frazier can’t play CF, I guess Gardner has to be back to man CF until Hicks returns. Sounds like they love Voit and Urshela, although I much prefer to hang onto Andujar’s bat. Frazier and Andujar for Josh Bell might not be a terrible idea...
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pitcher, but Cole was the only one you’d give it to.
This put pressure on Cash to make smart moves to shore up the rest of the team. He’s gotta promote the right prospects and make small trades to make the team more balanced ie left-handed and more contact oriented. There isn’t a lot of flexibility however, so it will be interesting to see what he does.
I wouldn’t sign Dellin, as much as I love him. Loasiga needs to be in the pen now, which probably suits him better anyway. Montgomery and German can handle the 5th spot. It sucks that Frazier can’t play CF, I guess Gardner has to be back to man CF until Hicks returns. Sounds like they love Voit and Urshela, although I much prefer to hang onto Andujar’s bat. Frazier and Andujar for Josh Bell might not be a terrible idea...
I love Dellin and my heart wants what it wants. I don't disagree that it may be time to move on. Perhaps a very incentivized deal is coming.
Frazier has so much potential. He just needs the team to support him and I don't think this organization bends that way. If that is the case, they should move him to an organization that will get the most out of him.
I don't think we should sell low on Miggy. A move for Bell should be built around Voit/Frazier and our pitching depth. I love Bell and would pull the trigger if the Pirates are interested but not for Andujar. We held on to him and ended with Cole anyways!
@GerritCole45 Hey the number 45 jersey fits really weird and runs really big...not a problem that you will want worry about for 9 years so I’ll take care of it! #Congratsman #letsget28
First Voit needs to see if he's on the opening 25 or even at ST.
I'm sure he's just joking around but If Cole really wants #45 he'll be #45.
@GerritCole45 Hey the number 45 jersey fits really weird and runs really big...not a problem that you will want worry about for 9 years so I’ll take care of it! #Congratsman #letsget28
First Voit needs to see if he's on the opening 25 or even at ST.
I'm sure he's just joking around but If Cole really wants #45 he'll be #45.
Did you misread it or something? I'm almost positive he wasn't being sarcastic. He's literally saying "hey, I'm going to give you 45." I'm not sure why that would ever be an issue.
would have a word with him about it and that would be it were it an issue at all. I like Luke. If he is really not willing to give up #45, that would say a lot about him, in a bad way. I don't think it will get there.
Yanks interested in Maldonado for backup C. Nice thought. Â
No bat but great pitch framer who worked great with Cole (this according to MLB network).
We already have that and better with Romine and/or Higgy.
He'd be Cole's personal C- go look at the numbers Cole put up with him behind the plate. Whatever it takes for Cole to be successful, the Yanks will do it.
RE: RE: RE: Yanks interested in Maldonado for backup C. Nice thought. Â
No bat but great pitch framer who worked great with Cole (this according to MLB network).
We already have that and better with Romine and/or Higgy.
He'd be Cole's personal C- go look at the numbers Cole put up with him behind the plate. Whatever it takes for Cole to be successful, the Yanks will do it.
If thats hos most successful battery mate, go get him.
But if Cole wants Maldonado, then sign him. If you spend $324 million on a guy, you do whatever he wants to be comfortable. Don't be dummies like the Mets were with Syndergaard last season.
Can play OF and 2nd base. Perfect compliment to the current line up. 4 years cost controlled at 16,25 mill total next 4.
It will be a fairly heavy cost in prospects but worth it IMO.
Nonetheless, Merrifield’s value may never be higher when it comes to a potential deal. While defensive metrics are not fond of his play at second, he would be an upgrade for most teams offensively at the position. Meanwhile, he has graded out as an above average outfielder, particularly in center.
But if Cole wants Maldonado, then sign him. If you spend $324 million on a guy, you do whatever he wants to be comfortable. Don't be dummies like the Mets were with Syndergaard last season.
Yep just like you said. Already shelled out the big bucks, now do what you can to maximize him
They'll have the same problems they did last year. A lineup that is great at the top but pretty shallow and a pitching staff that is likely to rank among the worst in baseball. Rendon helps; among other things he will solidify their infield defense. You could see a scenario where Adell is a beast from Day 1 and Canning is a legit 2-3 starter, and they're likely to grab a pitcher or two on the trade market or in free agency, but it's probably an 85 win team as constituted, especially in a competitive division. Really goes to show you what having a shit farm system at length can do to a team.
They'll have the same problems they did last year. A lineup that is great at the top but pretty shallow and a pitching staff that is likely to rank among the worst in baseball. Rendon helps; among other things he will solidify their infield defense. You could see a scenario where Adell is a beast from Day 1 and Canning is a legit 2-3 starter, and they're likely to grab a pitcher or two on the trade market or in free agency, but it's probably an 85 win team as constituted, especially in a competitive division. Really goes to show you what having a shit farm system at length can do to a team.
Plus if they have injuries they're screwed. Yet we had enough depth to withstand injuries and still win 103 games. Depth matters.
But seriously, I'm still just.. in disbelief and giddy over Cole.
I was actually really alarmed when Cashman dropped the quote "we will give it a championship effort". I said oh great, preparing the fans for dissapointment. Where they will lowball him at $250m, get blown out of the water, claim to the public that they were the highest bidder and say he just preferred the west coast.
Thank God that was just me overanalyzing. I'm so siked for baseball season.
RE: I see everyone has already moved on to the next move Â
IF they want to get to the next level of play, a very good SS who hits for contact/OBP. on a steady basis provides us more folks at their best positions and offsets the cold as hell periodic slumps of Judge, Hicks, Stanton and Sanchez.
And we have players close to their max value that will not make it to core Yankees and could decline in value or clog the 40
IF they want to get to the next level of play, a very good SS who hits for contact/OBP. on a steady basis provides us more folks at their best positions and offsets the cold as hell periodic slumps of Judge, Hicks, Stanton and Sanchez.
And we have players close to their max value that will not make it to core Yankees and could decline in value or clog the 40
Bill2 I think that Torres can fulfill what you listed for the SS position, plus he has pop, a lot of pop. He may not have Didi's range, but he's better than Jeter. I think Urshela, Torres, DJLM and Voit/Ford is a more than adequate infield, not ideal, but Wade or Estrada can come in late for Voit and let DJ move to 1st for better defense.
I'm interested to see if Voit improves his defense. I know he is shutdown right now to let that surgery heal. But the guy works very hard and I think he got much better(comparatively) last season, especially on bad throws.
IF they want to get to the next level of play, a very good SS who hits for contact/OBP. on a steady basis provides us more folks at their best positions and offsets the cold as hell periodic slumps of Judge, Hicks, Stanton and Sanchez.
And we have players close to their max value that will not make it to core Yankees and could decline in value or clog the 40
After the Cole signing, I think they are going to be very cost conscious with the players they add even with guys like Ellsbury and Happ etc. coming off the books next year.
I think a guy like Merrifield or guys like Frazier and maybe even Bell (like Matt from SGS mentioned yesterday) from Pitts will be options for trade. Cost controlled players for a few years who can produce RIGHT NOW on the MLB level. This team is set to win now and Cash will trade in some chips to fortify the team while trying to keep us from going too high over multiple luxury tax threshold levels.
So guys like Lindor, Kris Bryant who are in that $15 mill range already and 1 year or so away from FA (or big ARB salary raises) will likely not be targets.
coming back for 1 x $12.5M, with some kind of option for a second year at $20M. Presumably it's a team option, and presumably there's some kind of buyout in there.
Not a big deal, but this is an overpay for what is almost sure to be a bigtime regression. 1 year won't kill them. Hopefully Hicks heals fast.
coming back for 1 x $12.5M, with some kind of option for a second year at $20M. Presumably it's a team option, and presumably there's some kind of buyout in there.
Not a big deal, but this is an overpay for what is almost sure to be a bigtime regression. 1 year won't kill them. Hopefully Hicks heals fast.
this initial info was incorrect, thankfully
I’d much prefer Torres primarily at 2B, but I think it will be much Â
like last season, with him playing a lot of SS and Wade or Estrada filling in when he shifts to 2B or DH. Not ideal. It will be interesting to see if the analytics group comes up with a SS and/or CF who plays great defense that we trade for.
On the Merrifield thing, he doesn't play shortstop, so who would he be taking PT from?
And honestly, I don't see the need to trade for Josh Bell either. He had an incredible first half of the season and slumped dramatically in the second half. He never had a season close to last year's before. He showed a bit more power than Voit (last year, at least) but Voit's a better OBP guy. Bell's no better at first than Voit is - they're both butchers. Voit's under team control for longer. The only real advantage he has is switch hitting.
Voit had been nothing but productive as a Yankee until the hernia. I expect him to bounce back strong.
the Yankees won a bunch of titles with weak defensive SS and C Â
Because those guys were upper echelon hitters for their positions. It's a big advantage. I see the same possibility here, only Gary is a better catcher than Georgie. Yes, that does depend on him getting back to the hitter he was a couple of years ago, but even with a disappointing 2019, he was still one of the more productive catchers at the plate.
I imagine that if things stay as they are, the Yanks will make Â
some defensive late switches in games that they lead. Gleyber to 2B, DJ to 1B, Wade or some top defensive SS to SS. The 26th player may be a help in that; I'm thinking it will be Wade, as his speed helps in other ways as a 26th piece.
324!!
This was the guy to do it for. If it doesn't work out it's not anyones fault. But it's awesome to have him on our side now. Giddy up
I guess we can re-sign Dellin if he's willing to accept an expired Popeye's coupon and a half used MetroCard.
SEVY
TANAKA
PAXTON
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Jimmmmmmyyyyyyy!!!!!!!! - ( New Window )
Sevy
Paxton
Tanaka
Finally, a championship rotation to go with a deep lineup and great bullpen. Kudos to Hal for breaking the bank. Oh, and fuck the Astros. Yankees are World Series favorites - right where they belong.
Can’t believe some people thought teams lik the angels would outbid us when word came out we were all in, what a joke, lmao
Tanaka as your fourth starter is insane..
Tanaka as your fourth starter is insane..
Also, very excited to see Matt Blake's impact on the rotation, earning rave reviews already. Expecting career years from sevy and paxton
Can’t believe some people thought teams lik the angels would outbid us when word came out we were all in, what a joke, lmao
Unbelievable. It’s been a long time since we were in our rightful position as the dominant team. This could be the start of a multi year run.
Hell yes
@JeffPassan
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Gerrit Cole has an opt-out clause after the fifth year of his deal with the New York Yankees, a source tells ESPN.
@JeffPassan
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Gerrit Cole has an opt-out clause after the fifth year of his deal with the New York Yankees, a source tells ESPN.
You knew there would be an opt-out.....it's good for the Yankees that it's after 5 years and not 3 years. Cole will be 34 then, if he opts out we got his best years already.
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Gerrit Cole has an opt-out clause after the fifth year of his deal with the New York Yankees, a source tells ESPN.
You knew there would be an opt-out.....it's good for the Yankees that it's after 5 years and not 3 years. Cole will be 34 then, if he opts out we got his best years already.
Yep, I have no issue with it. It will be when he's 34, that's fair. And it's still soooo long from now.
Asked him the same yesterday. He's all in
I'll say it again, when the NY Yankees go all in, no single team can touch them.
Same. If he opts out, we say thank you for you service and the rings. Now you can go home.
But let's worry about that in five years because we just got the best pitcher in baseball.
NOW SHAVE MFER!
Why? Strasburg is getting $35M/yr, Cole is getting $36M/yr. The difference is Cole's has 2 more years on it than Stras, but Cole is 2 years younger than Stras. Everyone knew Cole was going to make more than Stras, I'm glad it was only $1M more per year, and I think mathematically the contracts make perfect sense in relation to each other, regardless of when they were signed.
SEVY
TANAKA
PAXTON
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Need to find out what's going to happen with German.
German
Loisiaga
Devi Garcia
Montgomery
Do any of these guys project to a potential #1 ace.
What a staff now. If Sevy returns to 2018 1st half form...wow
Now get another high contact low K hitter to balance out the line up. And we are ready for war.
BBI - the one place in the world where no one is ever happy, even when good things happen.
That's a great picture at a time like this.
Thanks
And the first Cole loss would see a Daily News backpage headline calling all his "baseball people" down to Tampa to find out why Im getting bad advice and what has to be done about this Astro pussy
1. What happens with Happ? Yes, nobody wants to see him starting games in the post season but as a fifth starter he makes a ton of sense to keep. However, because of the money I can see him being moved. German is dealing with the suspension. We are all excited about Garcia but I assume there is no rush to get him to the majors. And we also have Montgomery.
2. Andujar ... He was always a great trading chip for a SP but now that Didi was a casualty it makes sense to keep him. I would love a platoon of Gio and Andujar at 3B. Here is the problem, we cannot really afford to have 2 guys that are strictly 3B so can Andujar play 1B? I hope so. Worst case is that I am sure Gio could play 1B but do we really want his defense taken away from 3B?
3. Who is playing CF? I really like what Tauchman brought to the team last year. However, I am not sure he will be as effective starting every game. I heard they were talking with Gardner. I get it. We need to save money now and he will be cheap but it is truly time to move on. He was a great guy to root for but enough is enough. They have had great success the last couple of years or so with acquiring cheap options in the OF who have exceeded those expectations. I'd rather see Maybin in CF than to re-sign Gardner.
Way to go Stienbrenners. They wont be called penny pinchers anymore.
Get ready for the chooches to say "yankees buy championships"
Waiting for those clowns
Get ready for the chooches to say "yankees buy championships"
Waiting for those clowns
Yup, 1 big FA= bought championship.
We're the only team that's not allowed to sign FAs
For real
This is a move to win 2-3 championships. The 2009 team had an aging Core Four trying to get one more title. They have a new, younger core of players now. I see this more like 1996/1998 where they are just kicking this party off and are going to go on another run.
1. What happens with Happ? Yes, nobody wants to see him starting games in the post season but as a fifth starter he makes a ton of sense to keep. However, because of the money I can see him being moved. German is dealing with the suspension. We are all excited about Garcia but I assume there is no rush to get him to the majors. And we also have Montgomery.
2. Andujar ... He was always a great trading chip for a SP but now that Didi was a casualty it makes sense to keep him. I would love a platoon of Gio and Andujar at 3B. Here is the problem, we cannot really afford to have 2 guys that are strictly 3B so can Andujar play 1B? I hope so. Worst case is that I am sure Gio could play 1B but do we really want his defense taken away from 3B?
3. Who is playing CF? I really like what Tauchman brought to the team last year. However, I am not sure he will be as effective starting every game. I heard they were talking with Gardner. I get it. We need to save money now and he will be cheap but it is truly time to move on. He was a great guy to root for but enough is enough. They have had great success the last couple of years or so with acquiring cheap options in the OF who have exceeded those expectations. I'd rather see Maybin in CF than to re-sign Gardner.
1.) Happ will be moved to save $$. Montgomery or German will be the fifth. German can go to the pen as the 6th when he comes off suspension.
2.) You answered part of your question in your last sentence. They won't take Urshela off 3rd. His defense is far to good. Not sure what they do with Aundujar, but his bat is too good to dismiss
3.) Maybin in CF is a disaster. He barely handled LF. Tauchman can play CF if needed, but they will resign Gardy as they should, he may want 2 years, but I'd bet he gets 1 at about $10-12 - a little higher to get out of two years. I do not expect 2019 numbers again. But when it comes to defense, Gardner is still superior to everyone they have except Hicks(with Hicks arm the difference). If Gardner insists on two years, I walk away. Go with Tauchman and spell him with Judge.
I like Maybin, but a corner only.
Thought they would hold to a budget friendly number, perhaps walk away if things got outta hand and I was wrong. They broke the bank for Cole.
Well I asked yesterday, 'Hal, are you really all in?
The answer was a resounding yes, they got the big kahuna!
Good move by the Yanks to bring Pettitte out to the west coast as well, he lives in the Houston area,
and played for both the Yanks and Astros...that is called first hand knowledge. Wonder if there is an opt-out, didn't hear that?
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Most of the rest of the league has been spending Yankees money shared via luxury tax and revenue sharing on free agents for several years now...nice to see the Yanks give the rest of the league the finger with a big time free agent again, like the old days
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Well I asked yesterday, 'Hal, are you really all in?
The answer was a resounding yes, they got the big kahuna!
Good move by the Yanks to bring Pettitte out to the west coast as well, he lives in the Houston area,
and played for both the Yanks and Astros...that is called first hand knowledge. Wonder if there is an opt-out, didn't hear that?
5th year player opt-out. No big deal...
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Most of the rest of the league has been spending Yankees money shared via luxury tax and revenue sharing on free agents for several years now...nice to see the Yanks give the rest of the league the finger with a big time free agent again, like the old days
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Well I asked yesterday, 'Hal, are you really all in?
The answer was a resounding yes, they got the big kahuna!
Good move by the Yanks to bring Pettitte out to the west coast as well, he lives in the Houston area,
and played for both the Yanks and Astros...that is called first hand knowledge. Wonder if there is an opt-out, didn't hear that?
5th year player opt-out. No big deal...
It's really not a surprise, I was just curious.
Now they can sign Gardner, and try to move Happ
I would think.
Nope - they wanted one of the top guys, this was what it was going to cost to get one of the top guys.
Simultaneously strengthens the Yankees and weakens their primary opponent. Life is good! Thanks Cash and Boss Jr.!
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I know I am...for a pitcher especially.
Nope - they wanted one of the top guys, this was what it was going to cost to get one of the top guys.
Simultaneously strengthens the Yankees and weakens their primary opponent. Life is good! Thanks Cash and Boss Jr.!
I usually hate this length deal. But Cole(knock on wood) has been healthy. I view him as a Verlander, Scherzer, Nolan Ryan type pitcher. Solid build with a body built for pitching. He is one of the few players I feel comfortable giving this length contract. I would not be surprised to see him still dealing upper 90s past 36 years old, in fact, I expect it.
That's a crazy number if you think of it that way - but that's how these guys get paid. Nobody thinks they're going to be productive for the duration of the contract, but they're not going to sign a short term contract of the same value. By spreading it out it seems more palatable - and it's gravy if the player's decline is flatter on the back end (tapers off instead of cratering).
CC got some crazy money too, and he was worth it. It doesn't look so bad now because of inflation, and that's likely the way we'll look at Cole too, provided we get that solid 5 years out of him.
If he wins a championship, nobody will ever care about the length or the money involved.
That's a crazy number if you think of it that way - but that's how these guys get paid. Nobody thinks they're going to be productive for the duration of the contract, but they're not going to sign a short term contract of the same value. By spreading it out it seems more palatable - and it's gravy if the player's decline is flatter on the back end (tapers off instead of cratering).
CC got some crazy money too, and he was worth it. It doesn't look so bad now because of inflation, and that's likely the way we'll look at Cole too, provided we get that solid 5 years out of him.
If he wins a championship, nobody will ever care about the length or the money involved.
The Nats kinda screwed up the payscale here, even for the top two guys. They were concerned I believe if the Yanks or Angels or Dodgers didn't get Cole, well they would go over lets says 220 mill. for Stras, just a guess.
So they blew it away for him, with no opt out.
He did just opt out on the Nats, so...they didn't do it again with him.
After that, you just knew it would be 300+ to get Cole.
He has been a healthy pitcher, so fingers crossed there!
1. What happens with Happ? Yes, nobody wants to see him starting games in the post season but as a fifth starter he makes a ton of sense to keep. However, because of the money I can see him being moved. German is dealing with the suspension. We are all excited about Garcia but I assume there is no rush to get him to the majors. And we also have Montgomery.
2. Andujar ... He was always a great trading chip for a SP but now that Didi was a casualty it makes sense to keep him. I would love a platoon of Gio and Andujar at 3B. Here is the problem, we cannot really afford to have 2 guys that are strictly 3B so can Andujar play 1B? I hope so. Worst case is that I am sure Gio could play 1B but do we really want his defense taken away from 3B?
3. Who is playing CF? I really like what Tauchman brought to the team last year. However, I am not sure he will be as effective starting every game. I heard they were talking with Gardner. I get it. We need to save money now and he will be cheap but it is truly time to move on. He was a great guy to root for but enough is enough. They have had great success the last couple of years or so with acquiring cheap options in the OF who have exceeded those expectations. I'd rather see Maybin in CF than to re-sign Gardner.
Good post. First world problems lol. On your top 3:
1. Happ. At 17 mill he is a big luxury. Sure you would like a steady 5th starter but out of German (who is still an unknown suspension wise), Montgomery, Loaisiga, and a deep pen with a couple good long men you piece that part together. They also may make a cheap replacement move here too.
2. No problem trading Andujar as I really believe we need a high contact/low K hitter to better balance out this line up. I think part of the reason we get shut down in the post season is we have a lot of really good power but guys who swing and miss a lot. When pitching is elite those guys tend to strike out a lot. Its why the old dynasty Yanks were so tough , not a ton of power but guys who could consistently get the bat on the ball. Give me another guy closer to Gleyber and DJ who will get the bat on the ball more often against better pitching.
3. Related to #2 perhaps we get this high contact/low K guy in CF. That would kill 2 birds with one stone. Otherwise I don't hate Maybin there considering we have such a potent line-up even without Didi.
I know that one international guy we just signed is pretty sick (forget his name).
I’m guessing we see Andujar at 1B.a lot, and he’s a great contact hitter — really squares up pitches and struck out less than 100 times in almost 600 ABs in his rookie year.
Defense at SS and the OF may be an issue, but Cash isn’t done yet!
Need a hankie?
Agreed high cost but necessary for the postseason balance to shift.
I’m guessing we see Andujar at 1B.a lot, and he’s a great contact hitter — really squares up pitches and struck out less than 100 times in almost 600 ABs in his rookie year.
Defense at SS and the OF may be an issue, but Cash isn’t done yet!
Andujar doesn't strike me as a plate discipline/ long quality AB guy in the postseason. Partly because he is so young but despite the pretty low K totals he is a bit of a free swinger who I think will get neutered a bit more in the playoffs. Again, I like his bat a lot but for the current team make up there could be better fits.
Also of course the suspect D and plenty of 1B options already on the team.
Cash is strong with those low key under the radar moves. I expect to see a couple of those to finish forming this roster for next year.
How old is Verlander, how old was Clemens, Mussina, Greinke? Still a risk obviously but Cole has that look of one of those guys vs. a more frail Strasberg.
If he delivers a WS or 2 it'll be worth it.
As for Andujar, he squares up pitches better than anyone on the team aside from DJ. I’m not worried at all about his ability in the playoffs, and I wouldn’t trade him without getting a haul, which is unlikely coming off the injury. He’s another young stud for us.
That's a crazy number if you think of it that way - but that's how these guys get paid. Nobody thinks they're going to be productive for the duration of the contract, but they're not going to sign a short term contract of the same value. By spreading it out it seems more palatable - and it's gravy if the player's decline is flatter on the back end (tapers off instead of cratering).
CC got some crazy money too, and he was worth it. It doesn't look so bad now because of inflation, and that's likely the way we'll look at Cole too, provided we get that solid 5 years out of him.
If he wins a championship, nobody will ever care about the length or the money involved.
Cc was worth it for I believe til his original opt out, after which we gave him a new deal. He was crap following that for several years, until he had a resurgence
He will be 37 for almost the entirety of his final season of the contract. Plenty of power pitchers are still going pretty strong at that age. Even if he's mediocre or worse for the last 2-3 years of the contract it will still have been worth it if helps us to a WS title for 2 before then.
I know that one international guy we just signed is pretty sick (forget his name).
Jasson Dominguez is the elite prospect you reference, he's probably 2-3 years away. But there are probably a dozen guys with huge upside that are at A ball or lower. Not a ton near at hand (a few guys with MLB upside but probably not star potential - Holder, Amburgey, Gittens) but guys like Duran, Alcantara, Pereira, Salinas, Peraza, and Breaux will probably all be in full-season and any of them could have a breakout 2020.
I see this as our potential lineup once Hicks gets back:
1. DJ (2B)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Torres (SS)
4. Stanton (LF)
5. Voit (1B)
6. Sanchez (C)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Andújar (DH)
9. Urshela (3B)
That's a damn good lineup....even if it's extremely RH heavy.
At least they have a great glove at 3B if they need it with Gio. I will be surprised if Gio can repeat his bat in 2019. I think if he's on the team Andujar will play more 3B than some people think.
The Yankees will have some offense defense choices to make in the infield. Keeping in mind the GM is an offense guy.
Andujar-Gleyber-DJ-Voit pretty weak defensively but strong offensively.
Gio-Wade-Gleyber-DJ pretty strong defensively but much weaker offensively.
As of today I think all of those players will be on the team. I think Wade will backup SS and play some OF too. His bat showed a little bit of life at times and his speed and defense is a good piece of the 2020 roster puzzle. It's also possible Estrada plays a lot at 2B/SS too.
Cash has more work to do but this is a fantastic day. Thank you Hal.
Gonna be a good summah!
They're looking to move Happ and his $17M salary, and Ellsbury's $21M albatross comes off the payroll next season.
Paxton and Tanaka will also both be FA's after this year, and it will be extremely interesting to see how the Yankees deal with both of them. My early guess would be to go after Paxton and cut Tanaka loose.
It would be great if they can bring in a contact hitter. We need a few guys who put ball in play during postseason, too many big swings and misses.
Highly unlikley, but I daydream about it.
Of course, if we could trade Stanton that would be a way to add flexibility to the lineup...more LH hitting, less Ks...but this is a nice problem to have.
Now, if Sanchez could only think up the middle at the plate consistently he wouldn't be a hole in the lineup any more. I don't understand how top hitters like him and Stanton don't think up the middle consistently.
Definitely some pressure on Torres. He has lapses in focus/concentration on defense and gets a little sloppy. Hopefully that gets cleaned up.
Not only Sevi, but Stanton, Andujar, Judge, Hicks, Voit and Sanchez for long stretches. It was perhaps Cashman's finest GM job.
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Yankees won 100+ games last year without Sevy, and now they're adding Sevy AND Cole to the top of their rotation. Exciting stuff.
Not only Sevi, but Stanton, Andujar, Judge, Hicks, Voit and Sanchez for long stretches. It was perhaps Cashman's finest GM job.
The 1998 Yankee team was the best team I ever watched. They were a machine that just rolled teams, series after series. They won their 100th game of the season on September 4th (record of 100-38) and took their foot off the gas for a bit in the middle of the month, but racked up 7 straight wins to end the season and finish 114-48.
They had literally no holes on the team, with the possible exception of not having one big time power hitter (40-50 home runs), but they were all line drive hitters with power, top to bottom. Great staters, great pen, and Rivera to finish the game.
I know Seattle passed them with 116 wins a couple of years later (only to have the Yankees bounce them in 5 games in the ALCS), but this Yankee team, if they stay healthy, I think will break Seattle's record for most wins in a season.
Another great point. Would love a back-up catcher that could hit a little bit. In fact a guy that could allow Sanchez more breaks and/or to DH once in a while too.
I'm 31. My childhood was the 90s yankees. All I remember from those teams was joy. Luckily for me, we never fell off the map like some teams did after going for that ONE championship.
The Royals won that 1 championship a couple years ago and now they're completely irrelevant. With this ownership and Cashman, no matter how bad this contract looks at the end of the deal, it won't stop them from trying to win. The ellsbury contract didn't phase them at all. We all forgot he was still on the team
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
Yep. And they can't possibly have back to back years of injuries like last year's.
At that age? Not a ton of precedent for a mega-deal, certainly not for one in excess of 4/$144. My guess is it's a safety valve in case something exceptional changes with the new CBA and the upper echelon of salaries takes a big jump upward.
Now may be the time to trade Sanchez. I just don't think he's a guy you can rely on, either in the field or at the plate. He's inconsistent and who knows what you're getting come playoff time. His health is a question mark as well. Another year like the last two and he will no longer have trade value. Now is the time to capitalize.
As for his replacement, they should target the top defensive catcher on the market and cash in their trade chips. He can keep the seat warm until Siegler is ready. That's how you save money against the cap so that you can afford Judge, Severino, etc.
Don't sleep on Jordan Montgomery (and not just because he's lumpy). Come April it will be almost two years since his TJ surgery and he's young enough that he should come back strong. And cheap. Once they unload Happ, he will be the lefty in the #5 hole and I think he will shine.
Ken Rosenthal said that Cole was the Dodgers #1 target and they were fully committed to signing him.....until they got "bullied" by the Yankees, his words. That is music to my ears. The Death Star is truly functioning again.
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
That would be a ninja Cashman move!
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On his way over to dinner, Aaron Boone kept quietly pumping his fist, for real
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The Yankees actually knew they had an agreement with Cole about three hours before news got out. Would explain their happy demeanors in the late afternoon and evening
Ken Rosenthal said that Cole was the Dodgers #1 target and they were fully committed to signing him.....until they got "bullied" by the Yankees, his words. That is music to my ears. The Death Star is truly functioning again.
I’ll never get over being pissed about the Dodgers bailing the Red Sox out of those awful Crawford and Beckett deals. But signing Cole also representing a big fuck you to the Dodgers does make me feel all warm and fuzzy
They are always thinking of long term salary implications. If we sent them Voit and Andujar lets say for Bell and Frazier. The cost control is much longer for the guys we send back. Not saying this has to be the exact deal but something like that.
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There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
That would be a ninja Cashman move!
Adam Fraizer would be a ninja move, the guy is a good contact hitter and can play multiple positions. He would be like a lesser DJ to me.
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the Yankees are going to deal Happ for salary relief (which we know).
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
That would be a ninja Cashman move!
Adam Fraizer would be a ninja move, the guy is a good contact hitter and can play multiple positions. He would be like a lesser DJ to me.
Exactly the type we would want to complement this current make-up of the line-up
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
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The Dodgers felt good about their chances to land Gerrit Cole and thought they might get him right up until the time he chose the Yankees. They don't think the money was enough of a difference to lose out on him; they think in the end he simply wanted to be a Yankee.
No problem. And yes, it's a fantastic day. I've had a goofy smile on my face most of the day.
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I didn’t include Happ as part of rotation because I think Yanks will likely move him.
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I didn’t include Happ as part of rotation because I think Yanks will likely move him.
Ask not who/what you can get for Happ but who/what you'll have to give to get rid of Happ (and his $17M+ vesting option).
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I didn’t include Happ as part of rotation because I think Yanks will likely move him.
Ask not who/what you can get for Happ but who/what you'll have to give to get rid of Happ (and his $17M+ vesting option).
It shouldn't take more than eating a few million dollars of it, if that. If they attach assets you're probably looking at a baseball trade where they're getting something usable in return.
Truth of the matter is that a lot of teams need pitching and the FA pricetags are steep.
My prediction is that they end up eating $3-4M and he's gone by this time Friday.
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Jack Curry says it’s unlikely Austin Romine returns to the Yankees
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Curry says Dellin Betances is likely to sign a one-year, incentive-laden deal and the Yankees are still talking to him.
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
Given the way things have played out, I don't think it's too much of a leap to assume that part of the reason the Yankees hired Blake was because they knew he would be appealing to Cole.
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
Given the way things have played out, I don't think it's too much of a leap to assume that part of the reason the Yankees hired Blake was because they knew he would be appealing to Cole.
I know your feelings about Cole from the past; but are you all on board with him now?
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
Given the way things have played out, I don't think it's too much of a leap to assume that part of the reason the Yankees hired Blake was because they knew he would be appealing to Cole.
No not a stretch at all.
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Jack Curry says it’s unlikely Austin Romine returns to the Yankees
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Curry says Dellin Betances is likely to sign a one-year, incentive-laden deal and the Yankees are still talking to him.
I really hope we can get a deal done with Betances and Gardy. Both have risks (injury / age) but both are all-time great Yankees who i'd like to see on a potential championship roster next year.
If we have to part with one of our many young talented arms to get rid of Happ, and if getting rid of Happ is a prerequisite to spending money on Betances and Gardy, i'm ok with it.
I will say that as much as i'm not a fan of Happ, I do believe you can never have enough starting pitching. I don't think we can count on German, Montgomery, Loasiga, King or Garcia to hold down the 5th starter spot and we are very likely to need someone to step up when one of our top 4 gets injured.
We should give Cole number #324
This put pressure on Cash to make smart moves to shore up the rest of the team. He’s gotta promote the right prospects and make small trades to make the team more balanced ie left-handed and more contact oriented. There isn’t a lot of flexibility however, so it will be interesting to see what he does.
I wouldn’t sign Dellin, as much as I love him. Loasiga needs to be in the pen now, which probably suits him better anyway. Montgomery and German can handle the 5th spot. It sucks that Frazier can’t play CF, I guess Gardner has to be back to man CF until Hicks returns. Sounds like they love Voit and Urshela, although I much prefer to hang onto Andujar’s bat. Frazier and Andujar for Josh Bell might not be a terrible idea...
This put pressure on Cash to make smart moves to shore up the rest of the team. He’s gotta promote the right prospects and make small trades to make the team more balanced ie left-handed and more contact oriented. There isn’t a lot of flexibility however, so it will be interesting to see what he does.
I wouldn’t sign Dellin, as much as I love him. Loasiga needs to be in the pen now, which probably suits him better anyway. Montgomery and German can handle the 5th spot. It sucks that Frazier can’t play CF, I guess Gardner has to be back to man CF until Hicks returns. Sounds like they love Voit and Urshela, although I much prefer to hang onto Andujar’s bat. Frazier and Andujar for Josh Bell might not be a terrible idea...
I love Dellin and my heart wants what it wants. I don't disagree that it may be time to move on. Perhaps a very incentivized deal is coming.
Frazier has so much potential. He just needs the team to support him and I don't think this organization bends that way. If that is the case, they should move him to an organization that will get the most out of him.
I don't think we should sell low on Miggy. A move for Bell should be built around Voit/Frazier and our pitching depth. I love Bell and would pull the trigger if the Pirates are interested but not for Andujar. We held on to him and ended with Cole anyways!
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@GerritCole45 Hey the number 45 jersey fits really weird and runs really big...not a problem that you will want worry about for 9 years so I’ll take care of it! #Congratsman #letsget28
First Voit needs to see if he's on the opening 25 or even at ST.
I'm sure he's just joking around but If Cole really wants #45 he'll be #45.
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@GerritCole45 Hey the number 45 jersey fits really weird and runs really big...not a problem that you will want worry about for 9 years so I’ll take care of it! #Congratsman #letsget28
First Voit needs to see if he's on the opening 25 or even at ST.
I'm sure he's just joking around but If Cole really wants #45 he'll be #45.
Did you misread it or something? I'm almost positive he wasn't being sarcastic. He's literally saying "hey, I'm going to give you 45." I'm not sure why that would ever be an issue.
We already have that and better with Romine and/or Higgy.
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No bat but great pitch framer who worked great with Cole (this according to MLB network).
We already have that and better with Romine and/or Higgy.
He'd be Cole's personal C- go look at the numbers Cole put up with him behind the plate. Whatever it takes for Cole to be successful, the Yanks will do it.
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No bat but great pitch framer who worked great with Cole (this according to MLB network).
We already have that and better with Romine and/or Higgy.
He'd be Cole's personal C- go look at the numbers Cole put up with him behind the plate. Whatever it takes for Cole to be successful, the Yanks will do it.
If thats hos most successful battery mate, go get him.
It will be a fairly heavy cost in prospects but worth it IMO.
Nonetheless, Merrifield’s value may never be higher when it comes to a potential deal. While defensive metrics are not fond of his play at second, he would be an upgrade for most teams offensively at the position. Meanwhile, he has graded out as an above average outfielder, particularly in center.
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with Didi gone, and Torres not completely proven at short, I can see it. I don't think third, second or first are the issue.
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with Didi gone, and Torres not completely proven at short, I can see it. I don't think third, second or first are the issue.
Merrifield offers both Middle infield and OF versatility and he is a .300 hitter. Very good fit for this line up.
The trade Matt in SGS mentioned seemed pretty interesting too.
Yep just like you said. Already shelled out the big bucks, now do what you can to maximize him
They'll have the same problems they did last year. A lineup that is great at the top but pretty shallow and a pitching staff that is likely to rank among the worst in baseball. Rendon helps; among other things he will solidify their infield defense. You could see a scenario where Adell is a beast from Day 1 and Canning is a legit 2-3 starter, and they're likely to grab a pitcher or two on the trade market or in free agency, but it's probably an 85 win team as constituted, especially in a competitive division. Really goes to show you what having a shit farm system at length can do to a team.
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They'll have the same problems they did last year. A lineup that is great at the top but pretty shallow and a pitching staff that is likely to rank among the worst in baseball. Rendon helps; among other things he will solidify their infield defense. You could see a scenario where Adell is a beast from Day 1 and Canning is a legit 2-3 starter, and they're likely to grab a pitcher or two on the trade market or in free agency, but it's probably an 85 win team as constituted, especially in a competitive division. Really goes to show you what having a shit farm system at length can do to a team.
Plus if they have injuries they're screwed. Yet we had enough depth to withstand injuries and still win 103 games. Depth matters.
Holy crap just read that in the Post...numbers are getting crazy and these luxury tax levels will need to drastically change next CBA...
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with Didi gone, and Torres not completely proven at short, I can see it. I don't think third, second or first are the issue.
They don't need a 2nd baseman...I think Wade and Estrada can adequately cover SS as backup.
As to Maldonado, eh...If he is cheaper than Romine ok. But is he better than Higgy? Probably better arm?
But seriously, I'm still just.. in disbelief and giddy over Cole.
I was actually really alarmed when Cashman dropped the quote "we will give it a championship effort". I said oh great, preparing the fans for dissapointment. Where they will lowball him at $250m, get blown out of the water, claim to the public that they were the highest bidder and say he just preferred the west coast.
Thank God that was just me overanalyzing. I'm so siked for baseball season.
..... I'm so "psyched: for baseball season.
It is maybe all we have..
IF they want to get to the next level of play, a very good SS who hits for contact/OBP. on a steady basis provides us more folks at their best positions and offsets the cold as hell periodic slumps of Judge, Hicks, Stanton and Sanchez.
And we have players close to their max value that will not make it to core Yankees and could decline in value or clog the 40
IF they want to get to the next level of play, a very good SS who hits for contact/OBP. on a steady basis provides us more folks at their best positions and offsets the cold as hell periodic slumps of Judge, Hicks, Stanton and Sanchez.
And we have players close to their max value that will not make it to core Yankees and could decline in value or clog the 40
Bill2 I think that Torres can fulfill what you listed for the SS position, plus he has pop, a lot of pop. He may not have Didi's range, but he's better than Jeter. I think Urshela, Torres, DJLM and Voit/Ford is a more than adequate infield, not ideal, but Wade or Estrada can come in late for Voit and let DJ move to 1st for better defense.
I'm interested to see if Voit improves his defense. I know he is shutdown right now to let that surgery heal. But the guy works very hard and I think he got much better(comparatively) last season, especially on bad throws.
IF they want to get to the next level of play, a very good SS who hits for contact/OBP. on a steady basis provides us more folks at their best positions and offsets the cold as hell periodic slumps of Judge, Hicks, Stanton and Sanchez.
And we have players close to their max value that will not make it to core Yankees and could decline in value or clog the 40
After the Cole signing, I think they are going to be very cost conscious with the players they add even with guys like Ellsbury and Happ etc. coming off the books next year.
I think a guy like Merrifield or guys like Frazier and maybe even Bell (like Matt from SGS mentioned yesterday) from Pitts will be options for trade. Cost controlled players for a few years who can produce RIGHT NOW on the MLB level. This team is set to win now and Cash will trade in some chips to fortify the team while trying to keep us from going too high over multiple luxury tax threshold levels.
So guys like Lindor, Kris Bryant who are in that $15 mill range already and 1 year or so away from FA (or big ARB salary raises) will likely not be targets.
Not a big deal, but this is an overpay for what is almost sure to be a bigtime regression. 1 year won't kill them. Hopefully Hicks heals fast.
Not a big deal, but this is an overpay for what is almost sure to be a bigtime regression. 1 year won't kill them. Hopefully Hicks heals fast.
this initial info was incorrect, thankfully
Ducks are falling...
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Didn't know they had signing bonus in baseball. Think he meant incentives?
On the Merrifield thing, he doesn't play shortstop, so who would he be taking PT from?
And honestly, I don't see the need to trade for Josh Bell either. He had an incredible first half of the season and slumped dramatically in the second half. He never had a season close to last year's before. He showed a bit more power than Voit (last year, at least) but Voit's a better OBP guy. Bell's no better at first than Voit is - they're both butchers. Voit's under team control for longer. The only real advantage he has is switch hitting.
Voit had been nothing but productive as a Yankee until the hernia. I expect him to bounce back strong.
Hard to believe.
(Take care my friend).
I do think many of you are excessively negative on Torres at SS. He played better there than he did at second.
Kind of amazing how much some of us have interacted over time.
You would think the teams we root for would have gotten it right by now.
We certainly have been telling them the right things to do!