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battttles : 12/10/2019 11:58 pm
Breaking: Gerrit Cole to Yankees. 9 years. 36M per. 324M total.
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Happ definitely gone  
Justlurking : 12/11/2019 6:51 am : link
Imagine he will be traded in the next day or two
RE: Is nobody else concerned over a 9 year deal?  
Matt in SGS : 12/11/2019 6:52 am : link
In comment 14714015 Matt M. said:
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I know I am...for a pitcher especially.


This is a move to win 2-3 championships. The 2009 team had an aging Core Four trying to get one more title. They have a new, younger core of players now. I see this more like 1996/1998 where they are just kicking this party off and are going to go on another run.
RE: This is awesome news.  
section125 : 12/11/2019 6:54 am : link
In comment 14713996 robbieballs2003 said:
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Now, there are some interesting things to discuss.

1. What happens with Happ? Yes, nobody wants to see him starting games in the post season but as a fifth starter he makes a ton of sense to keep. However, because of the money I can see him being moved. German is dealing with the suspension. We are all excited about Garcia but I assume there is no rush to get him to the majors. And we also have Montgomery.

2. Andujar ... He was always a great trading chip for a SP but now that Didi was a casualty it makes sense to keep him. I would love a platoon of Gio and Andujar at 3B. Here is the problem, we cannot really afford to have 2 guys that are strictly 3B so can Andujar play 1B? I hope so. Worst case is that I am sure Gio could play 1B but do we really want his defense taken away from 3B?

3. Who is playing CF? I really like what Tauchman brought to the team last year. However, I am not sure he will be as effective starting every game. I heard they were talking with Gardner. I get it. We need to save money now and he will be cheap but it is truly time to move on. He was a great guy to root for but enough is enough. They have had great success the last couple of years or so with acquiring cheap options in the OF who have exceeded those expectations. I'd rather see Maybin in CF than to re-sign Gardner.


1.) Happ will be moved to save $$. Montgomery or German will be the fifth. German can go to the pen as the 6th when he comes off suspension.

2.) You answered part of your question in your last sentence. They won't take Urshela off 3rd. His defense is far to good. Not sure what they do with Aundujar, but his bat is too good to dismiss

3.) Maybin in CF is a disaster. He barely handled LF. Tauchman can play CF if needed, but they will resign Gardy as they should, he may want 2 years, but I'd bet he gets 1 at about $10-12 - a little higher to get out of two years. I do not expect 2019 numbers again. But when it comes to defense, Gardner is still superior to everyone they have except Hicks(with Hicks arm the difference). If Gardner insists on two years, I walk away. Go with Tauchman and spell him with Judge.
I like Maybin, but a corner only.
Fantastic news to wake up to!!  
Ryan in Albany : 12/11/2019 7:02 am : link
YEAH BABY! LGY!
Not complaining because it isn't my money  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/11/2019 7:30 am : link
but in excess of a quarter of a billion $s. Mind boggling money.
I am very happy with this move  
Tony in Tampa : 12/11/2019 7:31 am : link
Feels like Hal and Cash had their plan in place and minds made up to get this done...no matter the cost.

Thought they would hold to a budget friendly number, perhaps walk away if things got outta hand and I was wrong. They broke the bank for Cole.
There’s only  
Br00klyn : 12/11/2019 7:39 am : link
A handful of players in the league that deserve a contract of this size and Cole is one of them. Losing out on him would have been pretty devastating. A legit game changer and proven in October. Great job yanks
I would  
mdthedream : 12/11/2019 7:42 am : link
rather have Coles over Harper,Stanton,Machado,Price and Grienke at 34mill. Cole is much better and at the same price and much younger.
RE: Great news, well done Cashman, Hal and company!  
Carson53 : 12/11/2019 7:42 am : link
In comment 14713997 mfsd said:
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Most of the rest of the league has been spending Yankees money shared via luxury tax and revenue sharing on free agents for several years now...nice to see the Yanks give the rest of the league the finger with a big time free agent again, like the old days
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Well I asked yesterday, 'Hal, are you really all in?
The answer was a resounding yes, they got the big kahuna!
Good move by the Yanks to bring Pettitte out to the west coast as well, he lives in the Houston area,
and played for both the Yanks and Astros...that is called first hand knowledge. Wonder if there is an opt-out, didn't hear that?
RE: RE: Great news, well done Cashman, Hal and company!  
section125 : 12/11/2019 7:48 am : link
In comment 14714050 Carson53 said:
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In comment 14713997 mfsd said:


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Most of the rest of the league has been spending Yankees money shared via luxury tax and revenue sharing on free agents for several years now...nice to see the Yanks give the rest of the league the finger with a big time free agent again, like the old days

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Well I asked yesterday, 'Hal, are you really all in?
The answer was a resounding yes, they got the big kahuna!
Good move by the Yanks to bring Pettitte out to the west coast as well, he lives in the Houston area,
and played for both the Yanks and Astros...that is called first hand knowledge. Wonder if there is an opt-out, didn't hear that?


5th year player opt-out. No big deal...
RE: RE: RE: Great news, well done Cashman, Hal and company!  
Carson53 : 12/11/2019 7:53 am : link
In comment 14714055 section125 said:
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In comment 14714050 Carson53 said:


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In comment 14713997 mfsd said:


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Most of the rest of the league has been spending Yankees money shared via luxury tax and revenue sharing on free agents for several years now...nice to see the Yanks give the rest of the league the finger with a big time free agent again, like the old days

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Well I asked yesterday, 'Hal, are you really all in?
The answer was a resounding yes, they got the big kahuna!
Good move by the Yanks to bring Pettitte out to the west coast as well, he lives in the Houston area,
and played for both the Yanks and Astros...that is called first hand knowledge. Wonder if there is an opt-out, didn't hear that?



5th year player opt-out. No big deal...
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It's really not a surprise, I was just curious.
Now they can sign Gardner, and try to move Happ
I would think.
RE: Is nobody else concerned over a 9 year deal?  
jcn56 : 12/11/2019 7:54 am : link
In comment 14714015 Matt M. said:
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I know I am...for a pitcher especially.


Nope - they wanted one of the top guys, this was what it was going to cost to get one of the top guys.

Simultaneously strengthens the Yankees and weakens their primary opponent. Life is good! Thanks Cash and Boss Jr.!
RE: RE: Is nobody else concerned over a 9 year deal?  
section125 : 12/11/2019 8:05 am : link
In comment 14714061 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14714015 Matt M. said:


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I know I am...for a pitcher especially.



Nope - they wanted one of the top guys, this was what it was going to cost to get one of the top guys.

Simultaneously strengthens the Yankees and weakens their primary opponent. Life is good! Thanks Cash and Boss Jr.!


I usually hate this length deal. But Cole(knock on wood) has been healthy. I view him as a Verlander, Scherzer, Nolan Ryan type pitcher. Solid build with a body built for pitching. He is one of the few players I feel comfortable giving this length contract. I would not be surprised to see him still dealing upper 90s past 36 years old, in fact, I expect it.
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Danny Kanell : 12/11/2019 8:07 am : link
Good fucking morning, indeed!
I think people get too caught up in the years  
jcn56 : 12/11/2019 8:09 am : link
If you assume you're getting 5 good years out of him, at which point he either falls off a cliff or opts out - then it's $64M/year.

That's a crazy number if you think of it that way - but that's how these guys get paid. Nobody thinks they're going to be productive for the duration of the contract, but they're not going to sign a short term contract of the same value. By spreading it out it seems more palatable - and it's gravy if the player's decline is flatter on the back end (tapers off instead of cratering).

CC got some crazy money too, and he was worth it. It doesn't look so bad now because of inflation, and that's likely the way we'll look at Cole too, provided we get that solid 5 years out of him.

If he wins a championship, nobody will ever care about the length or the money involved.
All the money in the world  
rebel yell : 12/11/2019 8:22 am : link
won't buy you a championship.
RE: I think people get too caught up in the years  
Carson53 : 12/11/2019 8:23 am : link
In comment 14714077 jcn56 said:
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If you assume you're getting 5 good years out of him, at which point he either falls off a cliff or opts out - then it's $64M/year.

That's a crazy number if you think of it that way - but that's how these guys get paid. Nobody thinks they're going to be productive for the duration of the contract, but they're not going to sign a short term contract of the same value. By spreading it out it seems more palatable - and it's gravy if the player's decline is flatter on the back end (tapers off instead of cratering).

CC got some crazy money too, and he was worth it. It doesn't look so bad now because of inflation, and that's likely the way we'll look at Cole too, provided we get that solid 5 years out of him.

If he wins a championship, nobody will ever care about the length or the money involved.
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The Nats kinda screwed up the payscale here, even for the top two guys. They were concerned I believe if the Yanks or Angels or Dodgers didn't get Cole, well they would go over lets says 220 mill. for Stras, just a guess.
So they blew it away for him, with no opt out.
He did just opt out on the Nats, so...they didn't do it again with him.
After that, you just knew it would be 300+ to get Cole.
He has been a healthy pitcher, so fingers crossed there!
The years and the money are scary, sure...  
Dunedin81 : 12/11/2019 8:30 am : link
But if there was a guy on which to make this kind of splurge, it is Cole. Very Scherzer-like in his trajectory (performance, velocity), durable frame. If he stays healthy, there's a good chance you get 3-4 years of elite production and at least a couple more of solid or better. They walk into ST the best team in the AL by a considerable margin. If you get solid performance from Severino you're in great shape. If he's back to form, that could easily be a top 3 rotation in baseball.
Cole also doesn't have a ton of wear and tear  
mfsd : 12/11/2019 8:34 am : link
even with playoff runs the last 2 years with the Astros. They actually managed his IP pretty well.



For yonder breaks  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2019 8:40 am : link
a new and glorious morn.
RE: This is awesome news.  
Giantz_comeback : 12/11/2019 8:47 am : link
In comment 14713996 robbieballs2003 said:
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Now, there are some interesting things to discuss.

1. What happens with Happ? Yes, nobody wants to see him starting games in the post season but as a fifth starter he makes a ton of sense to keep. However, because of the money I can see him being moved. German is dealing with the suspension. We are all excited about Garcia but I assume there is no rush to get him to the majors. And we also have Montgomery.

2. Andujar ... He was always a great trading chip for a SP but now that Didi was a casualty it makes sense to keep him. I would love a platoon of Gio and Andujar at 3B. Here is the problem, we cannot really afford to have 2 guys that are strictly 3B so can Andujar play 1B? I hope so. Worst case is that I am sure Gio could play 1B but do we really want his defense taken away from 3B?

3. Who is playing CF? I really like what Tauchman brought to the team last year. However, I am not sure he will be as effective starting every game. I heard they were talking with Gardner. I get it. We need to save money now and he will be cheap but it is truly time to move on. He was a great guy to root for but enough is enough. They have had great success the last couple of years or so with acquiring cheap options in the OF who have exceeded those expectations. I'd rather see Maybin in CF than to re-sign Gardner.


Good post. First world problems lol. On your top 3:

1. Happ. At 17 mill he is a big luxury. Sure you would like a steady 5th starter but out of German (who is still an unknown suspension wise), Montgomery, Loaisiga, and a deep pen with a couple good long men you piece that part together. They also may make a cheap replacement move here too.

2. No problem trading Andujar as I really believe we need a high contact/low K hitter to better balance out this line up. I think part of the reason we get shut down in the post season is we have a lot of really good power but guys who swing and miss a lot. When pitching is elite those guys tend to strike out a lot. Its why the old dynasty Yanks were so tough , not a ton of power but guys who could consistently get the bat on the ball. Give me another guy closer to Gleyber and DJ who will get the bat on the ball more often against better pitching.

3. Related to #2 perhaps we get this high contact/low K guy in CF. That would kill 2 birds with one stone. Otherwise I don't hate Maybin there considering we have such a potent line-up even without Didi.
The New York Bankees  
Everyone Relax : 12/11/2019 8:55 am : link
are back!
Will the Gerritt Cole jersey be out in time for Christmas?  
LTIsTheGreatest : 12/11/2019 9:01 am : link
will make a great Xmas gift
Robbie , Duned, others  
Giantz_comeback : 12/11/2019 9:03 am : link
Who are the real stud hitters in the system right now and what are their projected years to get the call-up?

I know that one international guy we just signed is pretty sick (forget his name).
I’m thrilled!  
yatqb : 12/11/2019 9:04 am : link
A true ace to go with a bunch of great 2s. We have a great staff now.

I’m guessing we see Andujar at 1B.a lot, and he’s a great contact hitter — really squares up pitches and struck out less than 100 times in almost 600 ABs in his rookie year.

Defense at SS and the OF may be an issue, but Cash isn’t done yet!
It's a good day  
arniefez : 12/11/2019 9:05 am : link
here's to good health for the Yankees in 2020.
RE: All the money in the world  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14714098 rebel yell said:
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won't buy you a championship.


Need a hankie?
This had to be done  
Heisenberg : 12/11/2019 9:06 am : link
The rest of this team is ready to win now and win for a while. The cost is high, but that's how much it costs for the difference between the #2 style guys the Yankees are rolling out and have been for many years and a true honest to goodness ace. You can save 100 million dollars over that 9 years by and win 100 games every year. But, that elite starter in the postseason is a true difference maker.
RE: This had to be done  
Giantz_comeback : 12/11/2019 9:16 am : link
In comment 14714163 Heisenberg said:
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The rest of this team is ready to win now and win for a while. The cost is high, but that's how much it costs for the difference between the #2 style guys the Yankees are rolling out and have been for many years and a true honest to goodness ace. You can save 100 million dollars over that 9 years by and win 100 games every year. But, that elite starter in the postseason is a true difference maker.


Agreed high cost but necessary for the postseason balance to shift.
RE: I’m thrilled!  
Giantz_comeback : 12/11/2019 9:22 am : link
In comment 14714157 yatqb said:
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A true ace to go with a bunch of great 2s. We have a great staff now.

I’m guessing we see Andujar at 1B.a lot, and he’s a great contact hitter — really squares up pitches and struck out less than 100 times in almost 600 ABs in his rookie year.

Defense at SS and the OF may be an issue, but Cash isn’t done yet!


Andujar doesn't strike me as a plate discipline/ long quality AB guy in the postseason. Partly because he is so young but despite the pretty low K totals he is a bit of a free swinger who I think will get neutered a bit more in the playoffs. Again, I like his bat a lot but for the current team make up there could be better fits.

Also of course the suspect D and plenty of 1B options already on the team.

Cash is strong with those low key under the radar moves. I expect to see a couple of those to finish forming this roster for next year.
He will be 38 at contract end  
Dave on the UWS : 12/11/2019 9:29 am : link
I get that it took this length of contract to lock him up. The last 3 years (or 100 million) will be dicey.
RE: He will be 38 at contract end  
Giantz_comeback : 12/11/2019 9:30 am : link
In comment 14714203 Dave on the UWS said:
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I get that it took this length of contract to lock him up. The last 3 years (or 100 million) will be dicey.


How old is Verlander, how old was Clemens, Mussina, Greinke? Still a risk obviously but Cole has that look of one of those guys vs. a more frail Strasberg.
Scherzer, Greinke  
Giantz_comeback : 12/11/2019 9:33 am : link
granted all younger than 38 but in that 36 range. The last 2 years will be the biggest risk but even CC ran like a bull pretty late in his career.

If he delivers a WS or 2 it'll be worth it.
Boras will opt him out after 5 years so I don’t worry at all about  
yatqb : 12/11/2019 9:41 am : link
length. When has Boras not done that?

As for Andujar, he squares up pitches better than anyone on the team aside from DJ. I’m not worried at all about his ability in the playoffs, and I wouldn’t trade him without getting a haul, which is unlikely coming off the injury. He’s another young stud for us.
RE: I think people get too caught up in the years  
Nine-Tails : 12/11/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14714077 jcn56 said:
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If you assume you're getting 5 good years out of him, at which point he either falls off a cliff or opts out - then it's $64M/year.

That's a crazy number if you think of it that way - but that's how these guys get paid. Nobody thinks they're going to be productive for the duration of the contract, but they're not going to sign a short term contract of the same value. By spreading it out it seems more palatable - and it's gravy if the player's decline is flatter on the back end (tapers off instead of cratering).

CC got some crazy money too, and he was worth it. It doesn't look so bad now because of inflation, and that's likely the way we'll look at Cole too, provided we get that solid 5 years out of him.

If he wins a championship, nobody will ever care about the length or the money involved.


Cc was worth it for I believe til his original opt out, after which we gave him a new deal. He was crap following that for several years, until he had a resurgence
RE: He will be 38 at contract end  
Tesla : 12/11/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14714203 Dave on the UWS said:
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I get that it took this length of contract to lock him up. The last 3 years (or 100 million) will be dicey.


He will be 37 for almost the entirety of his final season of the contract. Plenty of power pitchers are still going pretty strong at that age. Even if he's mediocre or worse for the last 2-3 years of the contract it will still have been worth it if helps us to a WS title for 2 before then.
RE: Robbie , Duned, others  
Dunedin81 : 12/11/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14714156 Giantz_comeback said:
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Who are the real stud hitters in the system right now and what are their projected years to get the call-up?

I know that one international guy we just signed is pretty sick (forget his name).


Jasson Dominguez is the elite prospect you reference, he's probably 2-3 years away. But there are probably a dozen guys with huge upside that are at A ball or lower. Not a ton near at hand (a few guys with MLB upside but probably not star potential - Holder, Amburgey, Gittens) but guys like Duran, Alcantara, Pereira, Salinas, Peraza, and Breaux will probably all be in full-season and any of them could have a breakout 2020.
I'd keep Andújar unless we get a really good return  
Tesla : 12/11/2019 9:53 am : link
which unlikely because of his injury last year.

I see this as our potential lineup once Hicks gets back:

1. DJ (2B)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Torres (SS)
4. Stanton (LF)
5. Voit (1B)
6. Sanchez (C)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Andújar (DH)
9. Urshela (3B)

That's a damn good lineup....even if it's extremely RH heavy.
Andujar is still really green in every way  
arniefez : 12/11/2019 9:54 am : link
who knows what he'll be after missing an entire year. Greg Bird was never the same after his shoulder injury (of course he had plenty of other injuries too).

At least they have a great glove at 3B if they need it with Gio. I will be surprised if Gio can repeat his bat in 2019. I think if he's on the team Andujar will play more 3B than some people think.

The Yankees will have some offense defense choices to make in the infield. Keeping in mind the GM is an offense guy.

Andujar-Gleyber-DJ-Voit pretty weak defensively but strong offensively.

Gio-Wade-Gleyber-DJ pretty strong defensively but much weaker offensively.

As of today I think all of those players will be on the team. I think Wade will backup SS and play some OF too. His bat showed a little bit of life at times and his speed and defense is a good piece of the 2020 roster puzzle. It's also possible Estrada plays a lot at 2B/SS too.
Scooter Gennett could be a nice option...  
Dunedin81 : 12/11/2019 9:58 am : link
great 2018, hurt all of last year, pretty versatile in that he can play credible 2B, 3B and corner OF, a lefty bat with a respectable K rate, doesn't walk a ton. A nice buy-low option who could hit 20+ HRs if they can find 400 ABs for him.
62 days  
dune69 : 12/11/2019 10:08 am : link
to pitchers and catchers reporting. Can't wait. The excitement in Tampa will be special.

Cash has more work to do but this is a fantastic day. Thank you Hal.
Still buzzing about this news.  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2019 10:12 am : link
This team is freaking stacked. Sox are cutting payroll, Astros lost an ace and are facing punishment from MLB...

Gonna be a good summah!

Wonder if they look to cut bigger salary  
JonC : 12/11/2019 10:19 am : link
from the books now.
Congrats Yankee fans.  
Section331 : 12/11/2019 10:20 am : link
I've forgotten what it's like to root for a team willing to spend money.
RE: Wonder if they look to cut bigger salary  
Tesla : 12/11/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14714311 JonC said:
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from the books now.


They're looking to move Happ and his $17M salary, and Ellsbury's $21M albatross comes off the payroll next season.

Paxton and Tanaka will also both be FA's after this year, and it will be extremely interesting to see how the Yankees deal with both of them. My early guess would be to go after Paxton and cut Tanaka loose.
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BleedBlue : 12/11/2019 10:24 am : link
Still very excited about this news.

It would be great if they can bring in a contact hitter. We need a few guys who put ball in play during postseason, too many big swings and misses.
dodgers feel like a team to watch.  
bigbluehoya : 12/11/2019 10:31 am : link
if they miss on Rendon, and the market price on Rendon (and other big bats) takes him into his late 30s at $25M+ per year, I wonder if taking on the Stanton deal does become attractive to them at some point.

Highly unlikley, but I daydream about it.
Stanton is going to hit 45 bombs and OPS .900 this year...  
Dunedin81 : 12/11/2019 10:37 am : link
and he's going to do it in the Yankee lineup.
People are worried about getting a contact hitter into the lineup.  
yatqb : 12/11/2019 10:49 am : link
I'm not sure folks understand what adding Stanton and Andujar back to the lineup will do for us.

Of course, if we could trade Stanton that would be a way to add flexibility to the lineup...more LH hitting, less Ks...but this is a nice problem to have.

Now, if Sanchez could only think up the middle at the plate consistently he wouldn't be a hole in the lineup any more. I don't understand how top hitters like him and Stanton don't think up the middle consistently.
Joel Sherman made a great point...  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2019 10:54 am : link
Yankees won 100+ games last year without Sevy, and now they're adding Sevy AND Cole to the top of their rotation. Exciting stuff.
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