Yankees won 100+ games last year without Sevy, and now they're adding Sevy AND Cole to the top of their rotation. Exciting stuff.
Not only Sevi, but Stanton, Andujar, Judge, Hicks, Voit and Sanchez for long stretches. It was perhaps Cashman's finest GM job.
The 1998 Yankee team was the best team I ever watched. They were a machine that just rolled teams, series after series. They won their 100th game of the season on September 4th (record of 100-38) and took their foot off the gas for a bit in the middle of the month, but racked up 7 straight wins to end the season and finish 114-48.
They had literally no holes on the team, with the possible exception of not having one big time power hitter (40-50 home runs), but they were all line drive hitters with power, top to bottom. Great staters, great pen, and Rivera to finish the game.
I know Seattle passed them with 116 wins a couple of years later (only to have the Yankees bounce them in 5 games in the ALCS), but this Yankee team, if they stay healthy, I think will break Seattle's record for most wins in a season.
to make a run at a ridiculous win total. Law of averages would figure the Yankees are much healthier next year, they just added a top three pitcher in baseball, and all the tanking teams inflate the win totals of the top teams as it is. Toss in the Sox and Astros possibly be very good but not great, and we may have a true juggernaut on our hands.
A strange thought...re-signing Romine, or landing another really Â
good receiver becomes important for the team. Although Cash has talked up Higi, he also talked up Bubba Crosby in the day. I suspect that he wants someone better than Higi to back up Sanchez.
RE: A strange thought...re-signing Romine, or landing another really Â
good receiver becomes important for the team. Although Cash has talked up Higi, he also talked up Bubba Crosby in the day. I suspect that he wants someone better than Higi to back up Sanchez.
Another great point. Would love a back-up catcher that could hit a little bit. In fact a guy that could allow Sanchez more breaks and/or to DH once in a while too.
all the money if he can win us a couple championships in the next couple years. At that point I don't care how bad he is in the last couple years of his contract.
I'm 31. My childhood was the 90s yankees. All I remember from those teams was joy. Luckily for me, we never fell off the map like some teams did after going for that ONE championship.
The Royals won that 1 championship a couple years ago and now they're completely irrelevant. With this ownership and Cashman, no matter how bad this contract looks at the end of the deal, it won't stop them from trying to win. The ellsbury contract didn't phase them at all. We all forgot he was still on the team
the Yankees are going to deal Happ for salary relief (which we know).
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
in full swing. More interesting now is why Bryant, Betts, Correa and Lindor are even in discussion to be moved. I'm glad i'm a Yankees fan where winning isn't just a sales pitch.
People keep talking about the last years of this contract. Â
I reiterate that it's a non-issue, as Boras is certain to have him opt out after 5 years if Cole is healthy at that time. The contract is really 5 years at $36M ($180M) in my mind. The concern is a second contract that the Yanks might well pony up for, but who cares about that?
I reiterate that it's a non-issue, as Boras is certain to have him opt out after 5 years if Cole is healthy at that time. The contract is really 5 years at $36M ($180M) in my mind. The concern is a second contract that the Yanks might well pony up for, but who cares about that?
At that age? Not a ton of precedent for a mega-deal, certainly not for one in excess of 4/$144. My guess is it's a safety valve in case something exceptional changes with the new CBA and the upper echelon of salaries takes a big jump upward.
Totally understandable and I agree with the decision Â
to let Didi leave. But really sad to see him go. He was one of my favorite Yankees of the 2000's. Hope he has a huge year in Philadelphia and cashes in next year.
Don't trade Andujar! He's young, cheap, and a natural contact hitter. He could roll out of bed and hit a double in his pajamas. Now that they've added Cole, there is nothing that they need so badly that would make Andujar expendable. And I love Urshela, too. They can find ways to utilize both of them.
Now may be the time to trade Sanchez. I just don't think he's a guy you can rely on, either in the field or at the plate. He's inconsistent and who knows what you're getting come playoff time. His health is a question mark as well. Another year like the last two and he will no longer have trade value. Now is the time to capitalize.
As for his replacement, they should target the top defensive catcher on the market and cash in their trade chips. He can keep the seat warm until Siegler is ready. That's how you save money against the cap so that you can afford Judge, Severino, etc.
Don't sleep on Jordan Montgomery (and not just because he's lumpy). Come April it will be almost two years since his TJ surgery and he's young enough that he should come back strong. And cheap. Once they unload Happ, he will be the lefty in the #5 hole and I think he will shine.
I should have known someone would start banging the drum Â
about trading Sanchez again. It ain't happening, so might as well get over it.
Ken Rosenthal said that Cole was the Dodgers #1 target and they were fully committed to signing him.....until they got "bullied" by the Yankees, his words. That is music to my ears. The Death Star is truly functioning again.
the Yankees are going to deal Happ for salary relief (which we know).
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
Why would Pittsburgh trade Bell, though? Is there any indication that he's on the trading block? Agree it would be great to get him, but he's one of if not their best player.
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The Yankees actually knew they had an agreement with Cole about three hours before news got out. Would explain their happy demeanors in the late afternoon and evening
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about trading Sanchez again. It ain't happening, so might as well get over it.
Ken Rosenthal said that Cole was the Dodgers #1 target and they were fully committed to signing him.....until they got "bullied" by the Yankees, his words. That is music to my ears. The Death Star is truly functioning again.
I’ll never get over being pissed about the Dodgers bailing the Red Sox out of those awful Crawford and Beckett deals. But signing Cole also representing a big fuck you to the Dodgers does make me feel all warm and fuzzy
Why would Pittsburgh trade Bell, though? Is there any indication that he's on the trading block? Agree it would be great to get him, but he's one of if not their best player.
They are always thinking of long term salary implications. If we sent them Voit and Andujar lets say for Bell and Frazier. The cost control is much longer for the guys we send back. Not saying this has to be the exact deal but something like that.
the Yankees are going to deal Happ for salary relief (which we know).
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
That would be a ninja Cashman move!
Adam Fraizer would be a ninja move, the guy is a good contact hitter and can play multiple positions. He would be like a lesser DJ to me.
the Yankees are going to deal Happ for salary relief (which we know).
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
That would be a ninja Cashman move!
Adam Fraizer would be a ninja move, the guy is a good contact hitter and can play multiple positions. He would be like a lesser DJ to me.
Exactly the type we would want to complement this current make-up of the line-up
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The Dodgers felt good about their chances to land Gerrit Cole and thought they might get him right up until the time he chose the Yankees. They don't think the money was enough of a difference to lose out on him; they think in the end he simply wanted to be a Yankee.
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I didn’t include Happ as part of rotation because I think Yanks will likely move him.
Ask not who/what you can get for Happ but who/what you'll have to give to get rid of Happ (and his $17M+ vesting option).
It shouldn't take more than eating a few million dollars of it, if that. If they attach assets you're probably looking at a baseball trade where they're getting something usable in return.
Truth of the matter is that a lot of teams need pitching and the FA pricetags are steep.
My prediction is that they end up eating $3-4M and he's gone by this time Friday.
I assume we’d just need to take on about $5M of Happ’s deal, Â
Hoodie Gleyber
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Jack Curry says it’s unlikely Austin Romine returns to the Yankees
Hoodie Gleyber
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Curry says Dellin Betances is likely to sign a one-year, incentive-laden deal and the Yankees are still talking to him.
Dan Federico
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
Given the way things have played out, I don't think it's too much of a leap to assume that part of the reason the Yankees hired Blake was because they knew he would be appealing to Cole.
Dan Federico
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
Given the way things have played out, I don't think it's too much of a leap to assume that part of the reason the Yankees hired Blake was because they knew he would be appealing to Cole.
I know your feelings about Cole from the past; but are you all on board with him now?
Dan Federico
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
Given the way things have played out, I don't think it's too much of a leap to assume that part of the reason the Yankees hired Blake was because they knew he would be appealing to Cole.
Hoodie Gleyber
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Jack Curry says it’s unlikely Austin Romine returns to the Yankees
Hoodie Gleyber
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Curry says Dellin Betances is likely to sign a one-year, incentive-laden deal and the Yankees are still talking to him.
I really hope we can get a deal done with Betances and Gardy. Both have risks (injury / age) but both are all-time great Yankees who i'd like to see on a potential championship roster next year.
If we have to part with one of our many young talented arms to get rid of Happ, and if getting rid of Happ is a prerequisite to spending money on Betances and Gardy, i'm ok with it.
I will say that as much as i'm not a fan of Happ, I do believe you can never have enough starting pitching. I don't think we can count on German, Montgomery, Loasiga, King or Garcia to hold down the 5th starter spot and we are very likely to need someone to step up when one of our top 4 gets injured.
pitcher, but Cole was the only one you’d give it to.
This put pressure on Cash to make smart moves to shore up the rest of the team. He’s gotta promote the right prospects and make small trades to make the team more balanced ie left-handed and more contact oriented. There isn’t a lot of flexibility however, so it will be interesting to see what he does.
I wouldn’t sign Dellin, as much as I love him. Loasiga needs to be in the pen now, which probably suits him better anyway. Montgomery and German can handle the 5th spot. It sucks that Frazier can’t play CF, I guess Gardner has to be back to man CF until Hicks returns. Sounds like they love Voit and Urshela, although I much prefer to hang onto Andujar’s bat. Frazier and Andujar for Josh Bell might not be a terrible idea...
RE: Well, I am not fond of this kind of contracts, especially for a Â
pitcher, but Cole was the only one you’d give it to.
This put pressure on Cash to make smart moves to shore up the rest of the team. He’s gotta promote the right prospects and make small trades to make the team more balanced ie left-handed and more contact oriented. There isn’t a lot of flexibility however, so it will be interesting to see what he does.
I wouldn’t sign Dellin, as much as I love him. Loasiga needs to be in the pen now, which probably suits him better anyway. Montgomery and German can handle the 5th spot. It sucks that Frazier can’t play CF, I guess Gardner has to be back to man CF until Hicks returns. Sounds like they love Voit and Urshela, although I much prefer to hang onto Andujar’s bat. Frazier and Andujar for Josh Bell might not be a terrible idea...
I love Dellin and my heart wants what it wants. I don't disagree that it may be time to move on. Perhaps a very incentivized deal is coming.
Frazier has so much potential. He just needs the team to support him and I don't think this organization bends that way. If that is the case, they should move him to an organization that will get the most out of him.
I don't think we should sell low on Miggy. A move for Bell should be built around Voit/Frazier and our pitching depth. I love Bell and would pull the trigger if the Pirates are interested but not for Andujar. We held on to him and ended with Cole anyways!
Definitely some pressure on Torres. He has lapses in focus/concentration on defense and gets a little sloppy. Hopefully that gets cleaned up.
Not only Sevi, but Stanton, Andujar, Judge, Hicks, Voit and Sanchez for long stretches. It was perhaps Cashman's finest GM job.
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Yankees won 100+ games last year without Sevy, and now they're adding Sevy AND Cole to the top of their rotation. Exciting stuff.
Not only Sevi, but Stanton, Andujar, Judge, Hicks, Voit and Sanchez for long stretches. It was perhaps Cashman's finest GM job.
The 1998 Yankee team was the best team I ever watched. They were a machine that just rolled teams, series after series. They won their 100th game of the season on September 4th (record of 100-38) and took their foot off the gas for a bit in the middle of the month, but racked up 7 straight wins to end the season and finish 114-48.
They had literally no holes on the team, with the possible exception of not having one big time power hitter (40-50 home runs), but they were all line drive hitters with power, top to bottom. Great staters, great pen, and Rivera to finish the game.
I know Seattle passed them with 116 wins a couple of years later (only to have the Yankees bounce them in 5 games in the ALCS), but this Yankee team, if they stay healthy, I think will break Seattle's record for most wins in a season.
Another great point. Would love a back-up catcher that could hit a little bit. In fact a guy that could allow Sanchez more breaks and/or to DH once in a while too.
I'm 31. My childhood was the 90s yankees. All I remember from those teams was joy. Luckily for me, we never fell off the map like some teams did after going for that ONE championship.
The Royals won that 1 championship a couple years ago and now they're completely irrelevant. With this ownership and Cashman, no matter how bad this contract looks at the end of the deal, it won't stop them from trying to win. The ellsbury contract didn't phase them at all. We all forgot he was still on the team
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
Yep. And they can't possibly have back to back years of injuries like last year's.
At that age? Not a ton of precedent for a mega-deal, certainly not for one in excess of 4/$144. My guess is it's a safety valve in case something exceptional changes with the new CBA and the upper echelon of salaries takes a big jump upward.
Now may be the time to trade Sanchez. I just don't think he's a guy you can rely on, either in the field or at the plate. He's inconsistent and who knows what you're getting come playoff time. His health is a question mark as well. Another year like the last two and he will no longer have trade value. Now is the time to capitalize.
As for his replacement, they should target the top defensive catcher on the market and cash in their trade chips. He can keep the seat warm until Siegler is ready. That's how you save money against the cap so that you can afford Judge, Severino, etc.
Don't sleep on Jordan Montgomery (and not just because he's lumpy). Come April it will be almost two years since his TJ surgery and he's young enough that he should come back strong. And cheap. Once they unload Happ, he will be the lefty in the #5 hole and I think he will shine.
Ken Rosenthal said that Cole was the Dodgers #1 target and they were fully committed to signing him.....until they got "bullied" by the Yankees, his words. That is music to my ears. The Death Star is truly functioning again.
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
That would be a ninja Cashman move!
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On his way over to dinner, Aaron Boone kept quietly pumping his fist, for real
@martinonyc
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The Yankees actually knew they had an agreement with Cole about three hours before news got out. Would explain their happy demeanors in the late afternoon and evening
Ken Rosenthal said that Cole was the Dodgers #1 target and they were fully committed to signing him.....until they got "bullied" by the Yankees, his words. That is music to my ears. The Death Star is truly functioning again.
I’ll never get over being pissed about the Dodgers bailing the Red Sox out of those awful Crawford and Beckett deals. But signing Cole also representing a big fuck you to the Dodgers does make me feel all warm and fuzzy
They are always thinking of long term salary implications. If we sent them Voit and Andujar lets say for Bell and Frazier. The cost control is much longer for the guys we send back. Not saying this has to be the exact deal but something like that.
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the Yankees are going to deal Happ for salary relief (which we know).
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
That would be a ninja Cashman move!
Adam Fraizer would be a ninja move, the guy is a good contact hitter and can play multiple positions. He would be like a lesser DJ to me.
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the Yankees are going to deal Happ for salary relief (which we know).
There is talk the Yankees are looking to trade for Adam Frazier from the Pirates as he fits the roster flexibility mold the Yankees like. But also they might be in on Josh Bell from Pittsburgh. Cashman is going to cash in some of his trade chips this offseason. Getting a switch hitting monster like Bell to play first base and put in the lineup is downright horrifying. That would be a ninja Cashman move.
That would be a ninja Cashman move!
Adam Fraizer would be a ninja move, the guy is a good contact hitter and can play multiple positions. He would be like a lesser DJ to me.
Exactly the type we would want to complement this current make-up of the line-up
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
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The Dodgers felt good about their chances to land Gerrit Cole and thought they might get him right up until the time he chose the Yankees. They don't think the money was enough of a difference to lose out on him; they think in the end he simply wanted to be a Yankee.
No problem. And yes, it's a fantastic day. I've had a goofy smile on my face most of the day.
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I didn’t include Happ as part of rotation because I think Yanks will likely move him.
@JackCurryYES
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I didn’t include Happ as part of rotation because I think Yanks will likely move him.
Ask not who/what you can get for Happ but who/what you'll have to give to get rid of Happ (and his $17M+ vesting option).
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Jack Curry
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I didn’t include Happ as part of rotation because I think Yanks will likely move him.
Ask not who/what you can get for Happ but who/what you'll have to give to get rid of Happ (and his $17M+ vesting option).
It shouldn't take more than eating a few million dollars of it, if that. If they attach assets you're probably looking at a baseball trade where they're getting something usable in return.
Truth of the matter is that a lot of teams need pitching and the FA pricetags are steep.
My prediction is that they end up eating $3-4M and he's gone by this time Friday.
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Jack Curry says it’s unlikely Austin Romine returns to the Yankees
Hoodie Gleyber
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Curry says Dellin Betances is likely to sign a one-year, incentive-laden deal and the Yankees are still talking to him.
@DanJFederico
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
Given the way things have played out, I don't think it's too much of a leap to assume that part of the reason the Yankees hired Blake was because they knew he would be appealing to Cole.
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Dan Federico
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
Given the way things have played out, I don't think it's too much of a leap to assume that part of the reason the Yankees hired Blake was because they knew he would be appealing to Cole.
I know your feelings about Cole from the past; but are you all on board with him now?
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Dan Federico
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Matt Blake and the analytics department played a major factor in Cole signing with the Yankees, per YES
Given the way things have played out, I don't think it's too much of a leap to assume that part of the reason the Yankees hired Blake was because they knew he would be appealing to Cole.
No not a stretch at all.
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Jack Curry says it’s unlikely Austin Romine returns to the Yankees
Hoodie Gleyber
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Curry says Dellin Betances is likely to sign a one-year, incentive-laden deal and the Yankees are still talking to him.
I really hope we can get a deal done with Betances and Gardy. Both have risks (injury / age) but both are all-time great Yankees who i'd like to see on a potential championship roster next year.
If we have to part with one of our many young talented arms to get rid of Happ, and if getting rid of Happ is a prerequisite to spending money on Betances and Gardy, i'm ok with it.
I will say that as much as i'm not a fan of Happ, I do believe you can never have enough starting pitching. I don't think we can count on German, Montgomery, Loasiga, King or Garcia to hold down the 5th starter spot and we are very likely to need someone to step up when one of our top 4 gets injured.
We should give Cole number #324
This put pressure on Cash to make smart moves to shore up the rest of the team. He’s gotta promote the right prospects and make small trades to make the team more balanced ie left-handed and more contact oriented. There isn’t a lot of flexibility however, so it will be interesting to see what he does.
I wouldn’t sign Dellin, as much as I love him. Loasiga needs to be in the pen now, which probably suits him better anyway. Montgomery and German can handle the 5th spot. It sucks that Frazier can’t play CF, I guess Gardner has to be back to man CF until Hicks returns. Sounds like they love Voit and Urshela, although I much prefer to hang onto Andujar’s bat. Frazier and Andujar for Josh Bell might not be a terrible idea...
This put pressure on Cash to make smart moves to shore up the rest of the team. He’s gotta promote the right prospects and make small trades to make the team more balanced ie left-handed and more contact oriented. There isn’t a lot of flexibility however, so it will be interesting to see what he does.
I wouldn’t sign Dellin, as much as I love him. Loasiga needs to be in the pen now, which probably suits him better anyway. Montgomery and German can handle the 5th spot. It sucks that Frazier can’t play CF, I guess Gardner has to be back to man CF until Hicks returns. Sounds like they love Voit and Urshela, although I much prefer to hang onto Andujar’s bat. Frazier and Andujar for Josh Bell might not be a terrible idea...
I love Dellin and my heart wants what it wants. I don't disagree that it may be time to move on. Perhaps a very incentivized deal is coming.
Frazier has so much potential. He just needs the team to support him and I don't think this organization bends that way. If that is the case, they should move him to an organization that will get the most out of him.
I don't think we should sell low on Miggy. A move for Bell should be built around Voit/Frazier and our pitching depth. I love Bell and would pull the trigger if the Pirates are interested but not for Andujar. We held on to him and ended with Cole anyways!