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superspynyg : 12/11/2019 8:13 am
Say it goes Giants then Cincy


What is the min you would take to trade down if a team picking behind Cincy really wants Burrows?

For me I won’t go out of the top 5/6 and it would take a minimum of first and 3rd this year and 1st and second next year or 1st and 2nd this year and a first and third next year.

I think right now there are 5-6 blue chip players in this draft (Not in order)
Borrows
Young
OT Thomas
Judy
OT Wirfs
Cb Okuduh

The boarder line guys are
Simmons
Espanza
Herbert
Tua
Lamb

Wouldn't it be something  
Dnew15 : 12/11/2019 8:15 am : link
if the Giants put up the greatest smoke show of all-time and sold the NFL on the idea that they didn't think Jones was the answer (but secretly did).

A 1 and a 2 this year and next  
jeff57 : 12/11/2019 8:21 am : link
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I mentioned some possible scenarios with Miami  
Diver_Down : 12/11/2019 8:23 am : link
in other threads. But if first starts with the draft value chart. We aren't selling for less. Then you have to make the assumption that the team trading up is wanting their choice of QB - so tack on a QB premium.

Miami right now will have the #3, #19, #23. It will take all three of their picks for us to swap #1 --> #3. That is accounting for the QB premium. Technically, we should trade a late rounder back to balance the scale. But tough shit. If a team wants their choice they have to pay. If Miami is insisting on the trade but also keeping a first, then they can retain #23 and trade their 2021 first which will more than likely be higher than #23.

Assuming we have a new staff, they may decide to work with DJ. But they shouldn't be married to him either. In such a scenario, his scholarship should only be extended for the next season. If we remain terrible and are picking at the top of the 2021 draft class, then having an additional #1 will help in trading up for Sunshine.
It would be awsome if we did trade with Miami at 3  
superspynyg : 12/11/2019 8:31 am : link
And got their first 2nd and first this year. They them pick Borrows, Cincy picks Either Tua or Herbert and we get Young at 3.


DREAM SITUATION!!!
RE: I mentioned some possible scenarios with Miami  
jvm52106 : 12/11/2019 8:41 am : link
In comment 14714101 Diver_Down said:
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in other threads. But if first starts with the draft value chart. We aren't selling for less. Then you have to make the assumption that the team trading up is wanting their choice of QB - so tack on a QB premium.

Miami right now will have the #3, #19, #23. It will take all three of their picks for us to swap #1 --> #3. That is accounting for the QB premium. Technically, we should trade a late rounder back to balance the scale. But tough shit. If a team wants their choice they have to pay. If Miami is insisting on the trade but also keeping a first, then they can retain #23 and trade their 2021 first which will more than likely be higher than #23.

Assuming we have a new staff, they may decide to work with DJ. But they shouldn't be married to him either. In such a scenario, his scholarship should only be extended for the next season. If we remain terrible and are picking at the top of the 2021 draft class, then having an additional #1 will help in trading up for Sunshine.


A 1 in 2021 is far more valuable to us than a late 1 in 2020. Why, because we want pick capital if needed to move up to get TL next year (again, if we decide we need to). Burrow is a distant second to TL and if TL were available this year Burrow would be being talked about as maybe a top 5 with TL #1 for sure.
RE: It would be awsome if we did trade with Miami at 3  
buddyryansux10 : 12/11/2019 8:41 am : link
In comment 14714111 superspynyg said:
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And got their first 2nd and first this year. They them pick Borrows, Cincy picks Either Tua or Herbert and we get Young at 3.


DREAM SITUATION!!!


That would be great, the only thing would be that at pick # 3, if say Chase Young were that highly regarded, and Cincy would only see Burrow as deserving of its top pick, there's a good chance that they may trade down with another team trying to get Young ( Raiders? ), or just take Young themselves.
RE: RE: I mentioned some possible scenarios with Miami  
Thankyoueli : 12/11/2019 8:47 am : link
In comment 14714126 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 14714101 Diver_Down said:


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in other threads. But if first starts with the draft value chart. We aren't selling for less. Then you have to make the assumption that the team trading up is wanting their choice of QB - so tack on a QB premium.

Miami right now will have the #3, #19, #23. It will take all three of their picks for us to swap #1 --> #3. That is accounting for the QB premium. Technically, we should trade a late rounder back to balance the scale. But tough shit. If a team wants their choice they have to pay. If Miami is insisting on the trade but also keeping a first, then they can retain #23 and trade their 2021 first which will more than likely be higher than #23.

Assuming we have a new staff, they may decide to work with DJ. But they shouldn't be married to him either. In such a scenario, his scholarship should only be extended for the next season. If we remain terrible and are picking at the top of the 2021 draft class, then having an additional #1 will help in trading up for Sunshine.



A 1 in 2021 is far more valuable to us than a late 1 in 2020. Why, because we want pick capital if needed to move up to get TL next year (again, if we decide we need to). Burrow is a distant second to TL and if TL were available this year Burrow would be being talked about as maybe a top 5 with TL #1 for sure.


Not the worst idea BUT if the team with the #1 pick next year needs a QB that pick might not be for sale no matter the price.
It would have to be a lot  
ZogZerg : 12/11/2019 8:56 am : link
since you will miss out on the best player in the draft (according to some)
It’s Burrow  
cokeduplt : 12/11/2019 9:05 am : link
No S
if other teams pretty much  
ryanmkeane : 12/11/2019 9:08 am : link
know that we would not take a QB, why would they trade with us?
RE: I mentioned some possible scenarios with Miami  
AcidTest : 12/11/2019 9:14 am : link
In comment 14714101 Diver_Down said:
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in other threads. But if first starts with the draft value chart. We aren't selling for less. Then you have to make the assumption that the team trading up is wanting their choice of QB - so tack on a QB premium.

Miami right now will have the #3, #19, #23. It will take all three of their picks for us to swap #1 --> #3. That is accounting for the QB premium. Technically, we should trade a late rounder back to balance the scale. But tough shit. If a team wants their choice they have to pay. If Miami is insisting on the trade but also keeping a first, then they can retain #23 and trade their 2021 first which will more than likely be higher than #23.

Assuming we have a new staff, they may decide to work with DJ. But they shouldn't be married to him either. In such a scenario, his scholarship should only be extended for the next season. If we remain terrible and are picking at the top of the 2021 draft class, then having an additional #1 will help in trading up for Sunshine.


I'd be stunned if Miami made that trade. They won't be so in love with Burrow that they would do so IMO. They also have a ton of holes like we do.
I wouldn't move past 6  
Jay on the Island : 12/11/2019 9:20 am : link
I would need at least this years 1st and 2nd plus a 2021 1st round pick to move down to 5 or 6. If Young is on the board at 2 I would also need another 2021 pick like a 2nd or 3rd. You have to receive a substantial offer to pass on selecting a player like Young.
RE: if other teams pretty much  
Diver_Down : 12/11/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14714169 ryanmkeane said:
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know that we would not take a QB, why would they trade with us?


For their choice. Cinci wants a QB. It is no secret that Miami loves(d) Tua. Who knows how the recent injury and past injuries has affected his stock. But Miami can't continue to punt or settle for their second choice. Ross isn't getting any younger and they have been in QB purgatory since Marino. You do what it takes to secure the privilege of choice and not settle for seconds.

Miami is the only with the draft capital that is attractive. If we have to sell to the Jags (yes, I know they have Minshew), they don't have the capital that would be enticing to move out of Blue Chip territory.

Chargers at #10? Nope.
Bucs at #16? Nope and nope.
i'm wary, because the Redskins will most certainly take Young at 3.  
Britt in VA : 12/11/2019 9:27 am : link
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RE: It’s Burrow  
FranknWeezer : 12/11/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14714162 cokeduplt said:
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No S


No it's not!

RE: RE: It’s Burrow  
cokeduplt : 12/11/2019 9:33 am : link
In comment 14714201 FranknWeezer said:
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In comment 14714162 cokeduplt said:


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No S





No it's not!



Haha still no S
Part of the equation  
Oscar : 12/11/2019 9:49 am : link
Is you’re handing Chase Young to a division rival. That makes the cost go up.
I would want what the Giants traded for Eli  
Steve in ATL : 12/11/2019 9:51 am : link
to even think about it.
I agree  
PaulN : 12/11/2019 10:14 am : link
That is about what it would take for me also. Unless we trade Jones for a first round pick and take Burrows, and that should be on the table, that is why getting rid of this baffon GM is critical. Reese was a horrible drafter, this guy is ever worse, and I thought it may work out when they did it, what a fucking idiot I was. The Williams trade sealed his fate for me, he had to be a total bafoon to make that trade.
I just don't want Gettleman to choose....  
Fishmanjim57 : 12/11/2019 10:18 am : link
I want him fired along with the entire coaching staff.
I want the next GM to make the decisions, rather than Mara's yes man!
you need to fire gettleman  
Justlurking : 12/11/2019 10:31 am : link
otherwise you have ZERO chance of moving down and acquiring picks. He'll fall in love with someone, wont listen to offers and pick in his spot. Zero concept of how to maneuver the draft.
RE: if other teams pretty much  
Stu11 : 12/11/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14714169 ryanmkeane said:
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know that we would not take a QB, why would they trade with us?

Because if we let it be known the pick is available another team can swoop in. In other words we are picking #1, Cinci #2 and say Cinci really wants the QB, we can get something out of them so they keep Miami from swooping in.
RE: RE: RE: I mentioned some possible scenarios with Miami  
jomps : 12/11/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14714136 Thankyoueli said:
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In comment 14714126 jvm52106 said:


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In comment 14714101 Diver_Down said:


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in other threads. But if first starts with the draft value chart. We aren't selling for less. Then you have to make the assumption that the team trading up is wanting their choice of QB - so tack on a QB premium.

Miami right now will have the #3, #19, #23. It will take all three of their picks for us to swap #1 --> #3. That is accounting for the QB premium. Technically, we should trade a late rounder back to balance the scale. But tough shit. If a team wants their choice they have to pay. If Miami is insisting on the trade but also keeping a first, then they can retain #23 and trade their 2021 first which will more than likely be higher than #23.

Assuming we have a new staff, they may decide to work with DJ. But they shouldn't be married to him either. In such a scenario, his scholarship should only be extended for the next season. If we remain terrible and are picking at the top of the 2021 draft class, then having an additional #1 will help in trading up for Sunshine.



A 1 in 2021 is far more valuable to us than a late 1 in 2020. Why, because we want pick capital if needed to move up to get TL next year (again, if we decide we need to). Burrow is a distant second to TL and if TL were available this year Burrow would be being talked about as maybe a top 5 with TL #1 for sure.



Not the worst idea BUT if the team with the #1 pick next year needs a QB that pick might not be for sale no matter the price.


I'm pretty sure the only way the team with the #1 pick in 2021 trades out of it is if it has a top 10 QB, otherwise I can't see it passing on Trevor Lawrence.
A precedent was set already in the RG III trade.  
No Where Man : 12/11/2019 11:22 am : link
For the 2nd pick in the 2012 Draft (who became RG III), the Rams received these picks from Washington:

2012: Draft Picks #14, #39, #50 and #150
2013: Draft Picks #30, #92, #160
2014: Draft Pick #2
One thing is for sure ... some idiots on this board will be all  
Spider56 : 12/11/2019 12:03 pm : link
over DG for not telling them his plan.
I'd take Young at 1 then at 33  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/11/2019 12:28 pm : link
if Tua has declared and is still on board, grab him.

You have a good shot at then trading Tua for a projected high 1st round 2021 pick.

See what happens...
The Giants could also  
darren in pdx : 12/11/2019 12:32 pm : link
pull a Chargers and select Burrows/whomever and trade them for another selection + picks. Depends on if anyone wants them as badly as Ernie wanted Eli.
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