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Alec Olgetree: We weren’t prepared.

joeinpa : 12/11/2019 8:23 am
Olgetree on Joe and Evan yesterday said two things that were pretty damming. Full disclosure I heard the 15 second clip on Boomer and Gio this morning so I do not have the context, but:

“We were doing things we hadn’t practice” and regarding the Ertz catch in OT, we weren’t prepared.

Pretty bold regardless of context.
I'll play along  
Frank in Silver Spring : 12/11/2019 8:24 am : link
How about, "I wish I didn't suck so much. Maybe I'm a good reason why we're 2-11."
He said the TD in overtime apparently was a play or a formation  
Chris684 : 12/11/2019 8:24 am : link
they had never seen before.
It wasn’t some crazy gadget play  
ron mexico : 12/11/2019 8:26 am : link
What exactly were they doing on a goal line stand they had never practiced before?

I gotta call some level of bull shit on this.
RE: He said the TD in overtime apparently was a play or a formation  
Diver_Down : 12/11/2019 8:27 am : link
In comment 14714103 Chris684 said:
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they had never seen before.


Well, yeah, because Ertz was lined up at WR because everyone who had a pulse was out with injury. The excuse making has to stop. A professional player shouldn't have to be told to recognize the opponents only weapon. Ertz runs a lumbering 4.79 40, yet he is running free in the secondary the entire second half. Ogletree and the entire secondary should be embarrassed.
Bunch of high character guys  
ron mexico : 12/11/2019 8:31 am : link
That are easy to root for.

Thanks Dave.
Oh boy...  
Optimus-NY : 12/11/2019 8:32 am : link
This is WAAAY beyond wins and losses. Shurm is getting shit-canned for sure, but what of Getts? It can only get worse. 3 more weeks to go, lol.
RE: Bunch of high character guys  
Optimus-NY : 12/11/2019 8:33 am : link
In comment 14714109 ron mexico said:
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That are easy to root for.

Thanks Dave.


Men of integrity. This Daniel Jones fella needs to protect the Duke too...
So...  
BamaBlue : 12/11/2019 8:35 am : link
an NFL veteran claims that they didn't practice covering a tight end in practice, so they weren't prepared. I'm throwing the BS flag...

Ogletree is using the narrative that people want to believe... failure is all on the coaching staff. Don't look at the stupid penalties, blown coverages and mental errors made by players on the field. Don't look at the two times that Ogletree had a clear shot a Wentz and couldn't even lay a hand on him... they never practiced tackling Carson Wentz.
Ogletree needs to go  
Matt G : 12/11/2019 8:36 am : link
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RE: RE: Bunch of high character guys  
joeinpa : 12/11/2019 8:37 am : link
In comment 14714115 Optimus-NY said:
[quote] In comment 14714109 ron mexico said:


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That are easy to root for.

Thanks Dave.

I think it s just proud accomplishment athletes who are embarrassed and tired of the losing. I don’t believe it s a lack of taking responsibility but who knows what s going on in those meetings during the week getting ready for the game.

This is a lost season it s normal to go into self preservation mode.



I still can't believe that a good portion  
jcn56 : 12/11/2019 8:39 am : link
of BBI doesn't see that the team hasn't materially changed in the past 8 years. Different coaches, different GMs, different players, same damn behavior and shitty results (which have actually worsened).
I heard the convo with Bro and Evan yesterday in the car  
mfsd : 12/11/2019 8:40 am : link
they asked the question we all wanted an answer to - everyone knew they'd be going to Ertz, how come he ended up so open?

To which Ogletree replied about it being a different formation than they'd seen before

Which is insane. It's football...you figure out where the best player is and cover him.

Ogletree sounded like a beaten man. I give him credit for still doing the interviews, when there clearly aren't any answers. Other than to just admit they suck.
RE: RE: He said the TD in overtime apparently was a play or a formation  
Thankyoueli : 12/11/2019 8:41 am : link
In comment 14714107 Diver_Down said:
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they had never seen before.



Well, yeah, because Ertz was lined up at WR because everyone who had a pulse was out with injury. The excuse making has to stop. A professional player shouldn't have to be told to recognize the opponents only weapon. Ertz runs a lumbering 4.79 40, yet he is running free in the secondary the entire second half. Ogletree and the entire secondary should be embarrassed.


Some of that is on the guys up front. That one play where Ertz was wide open on the sideline Wentz bought like 8 seconds. Of course someone is gonna get that open.

And yes Olgetree obviously needs to go, but him sending this message to John may alone be worth his salary. Crank up the noise and get these coaches out of here.
i'm no football player  
cjac : 12/11/2019 8:44 am : link
but if i didnt know what to do in that situation, i'd glue myself to their best player who was lined up right in front of me. if one of the 4th stringers ends up scoring, "oh well"
RE: i'm no football player  
Rjanyg : 12/11/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14714132 cjac said:
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but if i didnt know what to do in that situation, i'd glue myself to their best player who was lined up right in front of me. if one of the 4th stringers ends up scoring, "oh well"


Yes, it is not rocket science. Ertz has killed us for years just like Witten. It is like we have no clue how good they are or what they are capable of. Between the deep seem pass and the 2 TD's Ertz was the difference in that game. Scheme to make somebody else beat you. This is on the DC, that said Ogletree is not a good LB.
I believe Ogletree when he says they were not prepared.  
penkap75 : 12/11/2019 8:54 am : link
Our coaching staff are proven losers.

But you have to be one dumb fucking moron player with no football intellect to not cover the only legit receiver. Even in sandlot football the kids know to cover the best guy.
They all need to go  
ZogZerg : 12/11/2019 8:54 am : link
If you don't know to cover their best receiver, especially when they have no healthy WRs, then there are major issues. You don't always get the answer sheet before the test, but you should know to put your name on it.....
Next Shurmur PC  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/11/2019 8:59 am : link
"I talked to Tree, we cleared it up. He meant to say that the fans were unprepared to see such an easy TD. We were ready for it." - Shurmur
Would it even matter  
Metnut : 12/11/2019 9:00 am : link
if he was prepared? He's awful. The GM who traded a pick and took on his salary should be fired. Rams laughed all the way to the bank when the Giants bailed them out.

Coaching sucks  
Biteymax22 : 12/11/2019 9:05 am : link
It's a dead horse now....
RE: He said the TD in overtime apparently was a play or a formation  
JohnF : 12/11/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14714103 Chris684 said:
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they had never seen before.


They had two timeouts, I believe. Either the coaching staff or a player on the field could have called a TO if they were looking at a formation they never saw before with the GAME on the line!

Oh, that presumes a competent coaching staff that properly prepares the players. Something we haven't had in a long time.
RE: i'm no football player  
Bill L : 12/11/2019 9:10 am : link
In comment 14714132 cjac said:
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but if i didnt know what to do in that situation, i'd glue myself to their best player who was lined up right in front of me. if one of the 4th stringers ends up scoring, "oh well"


I'm less than a football player, but I knew for sure that they would go to Ertz and eh would catch the TD pass as soon as the referees said the Eagles would receive in OT.
The good news is  
Jay on the Island : 12/11/2019 9:22 am : link
that they will free up significantly more cap room when they release Ogletree this offseason.
So  
figgy2989 : 12/11/2019 9:24 am : link
Even though he had no idea what he was doing, instead of covering the one guy everyone in the stadium knew he was going to throw to, he decided to....not cover anyone?
The Eagles were pretty much ready to use  
chuckydee9 : 12/11/2019 9:29 am : link
their backup QB to play wr..

This guy is complete shit.. one of the worst trades ever made..
RE: So  
cjac : 12/11/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14714193 figgy2989 said:
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Even though he had no idea what he was doing, instead of covering the one guy everyone in the stadium knew he was going to throw to, he decided to....not cover anyone?


He and Thomas stood there like fucking idiots

At some point, when you see the same stupid shit happening again and again, it has to fall on the coaches.

And i'm calling bullshit that is a formation he's never seen before. How long has the fucking guy been playing football? So if he never saw it before what was the signal he was making to Thomas? Was that the stand there and do nothing call? Fuck him, and fuck the coaches
I can live with the kids  
GiantsRage2007 : 12/11/2019 9:42 am : link
Making mistakes. Rookies have growing pains.

But

It seems like a lot, and I mean A LOT of the mistakes and bad play of the defense are on the veterans. Ogletree / Bethea / etc etc...

Nothing that getting rid of these overpriced and under-performing veterans and a new coaching staff can't fix. Please?
RE: RE: So  
jcn56 : 12/11/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14714218 cjac said:
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In comment 14714193 figgy2989 said:


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Even though he had no idea what he was doing, instead of covering the one guy everyone in the stadium knew he was going to throw to, he decided to....not cover anyone?



He and Thomas stood there like fucking idiots

At some point, when you see the same stupid shit happening again and again, it has to fall on the coaches.

And i'm calling bullshit that is a formation he's never seen before. How long has the fucking guy been playing football? So if he never saw it before what was the signal he was making to Thomas? Was that the stand there and do nothing call? Fuck him, and fuck the coaches


You could kind of understand it if it was some really off the wall shit, like the crazy formations that the Ravens and Patriots have trotted out at times.

In this particular case, with the Patriots getting ready to run McCown out there at WR due to injuries and a fairly vanilla formation, the excuse machine has to work overtime to exonerate them.
RE: Next Shurmur PC  
JohnnyFlowers : 12/11/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14714149 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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"I talked to Tree, we cleared it up. He meant to say that the fans were unprepared to see such an easy TD. We were ready for it." - Shurmur


Hilarious!
Tree is  
idiotsavant : 12/11/2019 9:52 am : link
Prepared to cash that paycheck. That's about it.
JCN  
afann : 12/11/2019 10:10 am : link
I agree with you 100%. It’s the same thing every year. We still can’t cover a TE, the O-line is getting worse even though they addressed it. We got rid of the players and the new ones are doing the same thing. WHAT IS IT??? It’s mind boggling
Shurmur  
PaulN : 12/11/2019 10:10 am : link
Is not a head coach, and how he got hired would only be by a totally incompetent organization.
Take the time to look up other teams assistant coaches  
idiotsavant : 12/11/2019 10:20 am : link
And unit coaches with regards to;

"years in the NFL , positional technique specificity and achievements".

Couple that with 4 rookie defensive backs.

On offense, this Macadoo version of the wco is simply dumb as fuck in that it totally fails to use O line run action to leverage pass protection outcomes.
And I include shurm in that  
idiotsavant : 12/11/2019 10:21 am : link
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If you see something you were not prepared for  
MattyKid : 12/11/2019 10:51 am : link
Why wouldn't you call a time out?
RE: If you see something you were not prepared for  
RDJR : 12/11/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14714374 MattyKid said:
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Why wouldn't you call a time out?


This is it. He's the captain of the defense. The Eagles had just used a timeout. If it's a new formation call a darn timeout and figure out what to do. My goodness.
Ogletree is an experienced vet  
BBelle21 : 12/11/2019 11:06 am : link
And he did sound beaten down. I wouldn’t be surprised if these players agree with what most of the people are saying here. Seems obvious, but maybe they’re coached like this. To not go off script if they don’t understand what they’re seeing. The coaches look worse than the players.
Ray Charles can see that  
Rflairr : 12/11/2019 11:07 am : link
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RE: Ray Charles can see that  
Rjanyg : 12/11/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14714404 Rflairr said:
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Lol. Ray Charles is a better LB than Ogletree
Fuck Ogletree, even if that is the case, which it could be because  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/11/2019 11:28 am : link
Pederson likes to do shit like that, you have the green dot. Call timeout or call a man blitz across the board. Guy is a mental midget and now is just passing the buck.
As a vet  
mittenedman : 12/11/2019 11:45 am : link
the team is relying on for "heady play" why not call a time out then? You just let yourself get check-mated???
Belichick's entire philosophy is take away the opponents best weapon  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/11/2019 12:05 pm : link
Ours is to leave the guy uncovered in the endzone in sudden death.
It is like the players  
hitdog42 : 12/11/2019 12:13 pm : link
have caught onto the coaching narrative.... and feel like if they go with it as well, that people won't realize how much the players actually suck.

I thought we traded away all the players that say things like this  
NoGainDayne : 12/11/2019 12:15 pm : link
apparently we traded for them at the same time we were "excising the cancers"

It looks like the only thing that changed is our complainers have less talent now
Here’s an idea  
Daniel in MI : 12/11/2019 12:59 pm : link
When you have their QB dead to rights, twice, try making one of the sacks.

Or, at the goal, game on the line in OT, you see a formation that’s so dreadfully confusing, be a team captain and call time freaking out so you don’t - I don’t know - let the obvious target go uncovered for the game winner?

Or maybe he’s smart enough to want Chase on the DL.
RE: Here’s an idea  
ColHowPepper : 12/11/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14714666 Daniel in MI said:
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When you have their QB dead to rights, twice, try making one of the sacks.
And the reason he didn't, he couldn't, is the same reason he's so terrible in coverage, slow to react, slow to change direction
The defensive assignments are sent  
greatgrandpa : 12/11/2019 1:21 pm : link
To the defender with the earpiece on the field. The player does not draw the assignments on the dirt. Given what happened with the kid not being told he was starting at left tackle and the complete confusion on assignments on both sides of the line (see Baldingers video) I’m siding with the player on this one. The giants have been coached by Abbott and Costello for two years. I never thought I’d see a worse coaching staff than Handleys till this steaming mess.
That is damning of the coaching staff  
Mattman : 12/11/2019 2:15 pm : link
I remember reading a story of Pat Flaherty going back and scouted the Patriots superbowl appearances and he noticed that they tend to come out in a different defensive set than their normal... Giants were ready when the saw it.

Good coaches ensure their team is prepared, like Coughlin and his staff did. They always stressed being prepared.

Week 14 and they should be able to apply any concept to any formation and at least get hats on hats. Jesus, even if they don't know what they are doing do something 100% other than stand there confused.
Get this guy  
MtDizzle : 12/11/2019 2:27 pm : link
off my team. He makes me miss Kevin Lewis and Nick Greisen.
What a clown Ogletree is...  
Jimmy Googs : 12/11/2019 9:58 pm : link
Was he prepared for the formation showed on the other 2 yard TD that Ertz caught during the 4QTR?

If Ogletree was sitting in the Eagle's huddle on both calls the outcome would have been the same.

Lord, please give us some linebackers...
philly literally didn't have a single WR worth shit left to them  
Torrag : 12/11/2019 10:15 pm : link
Ertz was the only player to worry about. He's been their best offensive player for at least two years.

I will NEVER understand how he can be left UNCOVERED in that situation.

It's gross negligence by both the coaches and players.

They make millions of dollars to supply us, the passionate fans, with an enjoyable experience for our entertainment dollars. We bleed blue with this team.

This can only happen if the people involved are literally incompetent or don't give a shit. Or both. You decide which it is.
It’s  
Les in TO : 12/11/2019 10:19 pm : link
Pat!
The Rams  
Marty866b : 12/11/2019 10:21 pm : link
With Super Bowl aspirations 18 months ago decided to trade a fairly young former first round pick and our idiot GM decides to trade two draft picks for him. Did the Rams try to get rid of him because he was a bad character guy or a guy terrible in the locker room? Neither. They traded him because he sucks! Good job Dave but probably not as bad as trading a high draft pick(and a lower one) for an impending free agent.
The latter gaffe are grounds for termination when you look at the total picture of Gettleman's job with the Giants.
Dumb coaches  
darren in pdx : 12/11/2019 11:20 pm : link
coaching dumb players..
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