I think on the deep ball TD that the Eagles just missed was actually a nice play and a PD by Bethea. He got over there a little late (but just in time) and it looked to me the drop was because he got a fingertip on it.
Interesting about Trent Williams. Conklin is the guy I'd target before the draft.
Let's assume for a second we wind up in the 3-5 range and we can't get Chase. Who/what are you thinking?
We could probably get a haul for Tua @ 3. Do you like Wirfs or Epenesa in the 5 range?
is just how inconsistent they are. Not game to game but series to series and half to half. Shurmur to me is a guy that everything has to be perfect and then it works. if anything isn't or he has something different thrown at him, he panics. His play calling, player usage all show and inflexibility for most of the time BUT, when suddenly the other team switches things up he begins to look for the "big" response, instead of a more guided approach and plan.
The best example I can think of is, he looks like the guy who gambles and has a plan but suddenly loses a few and thinks ok, to get myself back I need to do this and win a big one- losing even more.
Barkley may have looked better last night but, every time I see another back do well from a much lower draft spot (or undrafted), I realize that RB, even more than QB is 100% reliant on a good line. If you can't run block (and pass block, as your offense becomes one dimensional) you cannot run consistently no matter where you were drafted..
DG's biggest flaw is going RB so high in the draft while the Oline was still a huge work in progress just to try and get to average. That line and strategy didn't work as we are still a very below average OLine with parts that can't be there any longer- Solder and Remmers and shouldn't be there- Halapio..
and his putrid play may put two careers out of their misery. Shurmur and Gettlemen. What a disaster. It is worse since he was brought in to stabilize the online, provide some professional level foundation, instead he is one of the worst LT in the NFL.
How is it they do not at least attempt to make Barkley a central piece in the second half?
A true lowlight was when Solder and the third string TE were doubling teaming and the Eagle lineman went through them like a knife through warm butter on some of those 11 second half pass attempts. That is just pathetic, like the team and its HC. Shurmur should just put a tackling dummy out instead of Solder, perhaps the opposition will trip over it.
Solder is one of the worst FA signings in NY sports history. Why keep trotting him out there?
X's and O's and Locker Room Management all fly out the door when the Head Coach cannot manage to game situations. His mistakes are as large and larger than the Missed Blocking Assignments
This team's struggles are certainly a demonstration of the lack of depth and talent, but they are No Shows on too many Coverage Assignments, Blocking Assignments and Schemes, and Game Management blunders by the Head Coach.
The Jury is no longer out on Shurmur. He may be a Good Football Coach...He is NOT a Head Coach. This is a harsh and certain judgement... a regrettable conclusion. He needs to go.
during the game and I know you took some indirect shots at Shurmur in your review. How can an experienced, previous head coach, be so utterly incompetent with respect to game situations etc. You know what really aggravated me...on that last 4th quarter drive, we got good yardage on first down. We had our timeouts and lots of time on the clock. Not once did he run Barkley who was showing dominance as you mentioned. He called two passes, both incomplete, and we had to punt. That is just brutal, stupid coaching and, for that reason alone, Shurmur needs to be fired. I do not know what Gettleman saw that indicated Shurmur could be a head coach in the NFL but he is terrible...as bad as we have had maybe since Handley. Even McAdoo was better. He knows he is gone...why do the Giants insist on letting him stay? He will be fired immediately after we lose to Philly in the final game. Why can't we get a competent coach here? What is wrong with this organization?
about Solder? Do we just cut him and eat the dead money? He absolutely cannot be the starting LT next season, but something tells me he might be.
Going into next year with Solder penciled in as a starting tackle will be like when we went into 2018 with Flowers starting at tackle. It is destined to fail, just a matter of when, and will not provide a longterm solution to this franchise
...looks like he wants nothing to do with contact. His pass rush arsenal consists of taking off at the snap like he's running a 40 then letting up and playing patty cake with the OT. Absolutely no force behind anything he does.
I'm really interested to see what the situation is with Solder's ankle. He can't change direction and looked like he just fell over on Curry's second sack (numb foot?). Also may be worth noting that Hanlon has kept him off the interview schedule for probably 6 weeks or more now. He's not a top LT, but common sense tells you he's not this bad, and it's shocking that we once again go a year with very green, undrafted guys as being T's.
and Peterson is a better coach than him, for sure.
However, the fact that this NYG team came out and straight up took it to the Eagles for the first half in a game that the Eagles HAD to have reeks of a coaching problem. Especially coming off a horrific loss to the hands of the Dolphins in another seemingly must win after a Dallas loss on Thanksgiving.
It's all about "what have you done for me lately" in NFL, and Peterson called all the right moves the year the Eagles won the Super Bowl -you can't take that from him...but I don't view him as a superior coach along the same lines as I do Tomlin, BB and Pete Carroll.
Always love your reviews. Would be nice to read them after wins, but the reviews after losses are kinda therapeutic. Pat Shurmur not realizing “the game was in is hands at this point,” is so true. Everyone knew Pederson was playing with Shurmur to waste time outs, except Shurmur. It was sad to watch. I remember Coughlin and Gilbride never falling for stuff like that and took it for granted that pro coaches just don’t trip like that.
Loved this line: “Manning dropped back and lofted up one of his infamous deep balls...” Infamous deep ball. Gotta love that
I think on the deep ball TD that the Eagles just missed was actually a nice play and a PD by Bethea. He got over there a little late (but just in time) and it looked to me the drop was because he got a fingertip on it.
Interesting about Trent Williams. Conklin is the guy I'd target before the draft.
Let's assume for a second we wind up in the 3-5 range and we can't get Chase. Who/what are you thinking?
We could probably get a haul for Tua @ 3. Do you like Wirfs or Epenesa in the 5 range?
I'm not in on Epenesa just yet that high.
I do think there are a couple edge guys that could end up higher than what most are talking about. Gross-Matos (Penn State) is one of them
about Solder? Do we just cut him and eat the dead money? He absolutely cannot be the starting LT next season, but something tells me he might be.
You can cut Solder next year - take some dead money - and still have $6 million to spend. While a real LT will cost more than that, it is worth not having him out there and NYG will have money to spend.
As Sy points out in all caps, they used a super premium pick on a position that can easily be filled around the league and then DON’T proceed to make him the focal point of the offense. I have no more face palms left to give
1. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Giants move back to a 4-3 defense next season with the impending Free agency of Golden and the lack of production as a Rusher from Carter. Carter played a lot of stand up Lb at Georgia and it may be his best position. And the most likely choice of Chase Young (who I understand CAN play OLB but is a prototypical DE). I can see a situation where the Giants Let Golden walk (after firing Bettcher) and make a strong run at Clowney, Resign Leonard Williams, and draft Young. In one offseason you can have a line of:
Young - Williams - Lawrence - Clowney.
Put Carter at the Will (he’s athletic and decent in coverage) Connely at MLB. And signs or draft a capable SAM backer.
2. Halapio and Solder cannot be a part of this team next season. Solder is a bottom tier LT that has neither good foot quickness or strength to anchor while Halapio may be the worst starting Center in the league.
3. This may be coming from O.J. Simpson, but he had a valid point. GET SAQUON A FULLBACK. Look at what San Francisco’s FB does for those backs. Saquon needs a guy to pave the way for him. Ladanian Tomlinson has one that allowed him to truly shine and if Saquon has someone to stop that initial free runner then he’d be off to the races.
Twice Ogletree had the QB dead to rights. Once on a roll out he ran over there and CW easily ducked under him and got the pass away. Such a poor effort at the point of impact, coming out of control. The second time he’s all over Wentz and still lets him get the pass off (which was batted sky high and yet - as it has gone this year - fell to the ground). Just failure to make a play to make a stop or change the game. And Mayo... I mean, apart from his 12th man mistake (partially on the coaches I presume) he just doesn’t make any plays. When we had Connelly, a rookie, out there he would at times read a play, anticipate, and shoot a gap. These guys catch blockers and make tackles down field.
Does it make sense to move Solder to Right Tackle and sign Trent Williams?
It may be a better option than keeping Solder at LT and signing Jack Conklin for RT.
A spot he has never played? I don't think so. His ability looks completely deflated and I don't think it matters where he plays. He isn't going to get better.
Eli's QBR is the game was 11.5, not 94.2. That's the fluffy passer rating.
Leonard Williams is getting massively more money than $12M/yr. That's not even close.
Using the franchise tag, the player gets the > of (1) the average of the top salaries at his position or (2) his last year of compensation X 120%.
The projected FT for DTs is about $16M. Williams comp this year is $14M+. So that X 120% = $17M.
Which means LW is getting at least $17M/yr.
I will be surprised to see Williams get $17 mil per year...looking at the cap hits of the 2020 DTs:
Donald - 25
Cox - 24
Jarrett - 16
Buckner - 14.5
Atkins - 14.2
Williams - 14
I think most view Williams as a notch below those guys.
Jarrett is the perfect comp to Williams. He's actually at $17M, which he signed this past summer. Look at their YoY stats. They are very similar.
Further, look at Jurrell Casey. Also very similar output to LW and Jarrett. He signed for $15M/yr in 2017. He's also a very similar comp to LW. So if you add the rate of inflation in NFL salaries to his 2017 baseline, he's probably around $17M.
So LW and his team absolutely know this and will be using those as starting points.
But, more importantly, if we don't negotiate a deal, the franchise tag will be applied. And that, again, is going to be $17M.
Eli's QBR is the game was 11.5, not 94.2. That's the fluffy passer rating.
Leonard Williams is getting massively more money than $12M/yr. That's not even close.
Using the franchise tag, the player gets the > of (1) the average of the top salaries at his position or (2) his last year of compensation X 120%.
The projected FT for DTs is about $16M. Williams comp this year is $14M+. So that X 120% = $17M.
Which means LW is getting at least $17M/yr.
I will be surprised to see Williams get $17 mil per year...looking at the cap hits of the 2020 DTs:
Donald - 25
Cox - 24
Jarrett - 16
Buckner - 14.5
Atkins - 14.2
Williams - 14
I think most view Williams as a notch below those guys.
Jarrett is the perfect comp to Williams. He's actually at $17M, which he signed this past summer. Look at their YoY stats. They are very similar.
Further, look at Jurrell Casey. Also very similar output to LW and Jarrett. He signed for $15M/yr in 2017. He's also a very similar comp to LW. So if you add the rate of inflation in NFL salaries to his 2017 baseline, he's probably around $17M.
So LW and his team absolutely know this and will be using those as starting points.
But, more importantly, if we don't negotiate a deal, the franchise tag will be applied. And that, again, is going to be $17M.
This is why this was a tragically poor trade...
Fair points across the board
I can't say what the market will provide him, I can just give a simple guess and my own opinion. If NYG has to give a 17+ cap number to him for multiple years, I quickly bow out of that.
is just how inconsistent they are. Not game to game but series to series and half to half. Shurmur to me is a guy that everything has to be perfect and then it works. if anything isn't or he has something different thrown at him, he panics. His play calling, player usage all show and inflexibility for most of the time BUT, when suddenly the other team switches things up he begins to look for the "big" response, instead of a more guided approach and plan.
The best example I can think of is, he looks like the guy who gambles and has a plan but suddenly loses a few and thinks ok, to get myself back I need to do this and win a big one- losing even more.
Barkley may have looked better last night but, every time I see another back do well from a much lower draft spot (or undrafted), I realize that RB, even more than QB is 100% reliant on a good line. If you can't run block (and pass block, as your offense becomes one dimensional) you cannot run consistently no matter where you were drafted..
DG's biggest flaw is going RB so high in the draft while the Oline was still a huge work in progress just to try and get to average. That line and strategy didn't work as we are still a very below average OLine with parts that can't be there any longer- Solder and Remmers and shouldn't be there- Halapio..
As much as we sucked ass big time this year, the team never was just completely dismantled in a game. What does that say about talent and coaching ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Always love your reviews. Would be nice to read them after wins, but the reviews after losses are kinda therapeutic. Pat Shurmur not realizing “the game was in is hands at this point,” is so true. Everyone knew Pederson was playing with Shurmur to waste time outs, except Shurmur. It was sad to watch. I remember Coughlin and Gilbride never falling for stuff like that and took it for granted that pro coaches just don’t trip like that.
Loved this line: “Manning dropped back and lofted up one of his infamous deep balls...” Infamous deep ball. Gotta love that
TC and Gilbride made BB make tough decisions.
Yeesh, imagine Smurfmur's panicked decision making in a high pressure coojer SB.
Does it make sense to move Solder to Right Tackle and sign Trent Williams?
It may be a better option than keeping Solder at LT and signing Jack Conklin for RT.
A spot he has never played? I don't think so. His ability looks completely deflated and I don't think it matters where he plays. He isn't going to get better.
Does it make sense to move Solder to Right Tackle and sign Trent Williams?
It may be a better option than keeping Solder at LT and signing Jack Conklin for RT.
A spot he has never played? I don't think so. His ability looks completely deflated and I don't think it matters where he plays. He isn't going to get better.
Thought Solder started in NE as a RT?
He did play some RT in 2011 as a rookie but played even more as an additional or Blocking TE. He took over the LT spot in 2012.
Yeesh, imagine Smurfmur's panicked decision making in a high pressure coojer SB. [/quote]
Not easy to do to BB. I didn’t realize how special us fans had it until now after two head coaches in a row who get out coached so easily. I remember analysts comparing SB46 to an incredibly tense chess match where Coughlin and Eli check mated Belichick and Brady. For Eli and now Daniel Jones to be stuck with this turtle is a bit depressing.
Yeesh, imagine Smurfmur's panicked decision making in a high pressure coojer SB.
Not easy to do to BB. I didn’t realize how special us fans had it until now after two head coaches in a row who get out coached so easily. I remember analysts comparing SB46 to an incredibly tense chess match where Coughlin and Eli check mated Belichick and Brady. For Eli and now Daniel Jones to be stuck with this turtle is a bit depressing. [/quote]
TC completely outcoached Harbaugh in playoff game too, had boring old Aaron Ross at PR while Harbaugh went with a kid.
And of course underappreciated when Coughlin would lead the league in challenge percentage. Yeesh.
Yeesh, imagine Smurfmur's panicked decision making in a high pressure coojer SB.
Not easy to do to BB. I didn’t realize how special us fans had it until now after two head coaches in a row who get out coached so easily. I remember analysts comparing SB46 to an incredibly tense chess match where Coughlin and Eli check mated Belichick and Brady. For Eli and now Daniel Jones to be stuck with this turtle is a bit depressing.
TC completely outcoached Harbaugh in playoff game too, had boring old Aaron Ross at PR while Harbaugh went with a kid.
And of course underappreciated when Coughlin would lead the league in challenge percentage. Yeesh. [/quote]
Lol! I think about Coughlin every time Shurmur loses a challenge :D
Yeesh, imagine Smurfmur's panicked decision making in a high pressure coojer SB.
Not easy to do to BB. I didn’t realize how special us fans had it until now after two head coaches in a row who get out coached so easily. I remember analysts comparing SB46 to an incredibly tense chess match where Coughlin and Eli check mated Belichick and Brady. For Eli and now Daniel Jones to be stuck with this turtle is a bit depressing.
TC completely outcoached Harbaugh in playoff game too, had boring old Aaron Ross at PR while Harbaugh went with a kid.
And of course underappreciated when Coughlin would lead the league in challenge percentage. Yeesh.
Lol! I think about Coughlin every time Shurmur loses a challenge :D [/quote]
I scream at the TV NO! Don't f****** challenge that! And then die a little bit on the inside.
RE: Sy, I saw a couple of your comments on Twitter Â
during the game and I know you took some indirect shots at Shurmur in your review. How can an experienced, previous head coach, be so utterly incompetent with respect to game situations etc. You know what really aggravated me...on that last 4th quarter drive, we got good yardage on first down. We had our timeouts and lots of time on the clock. Not once did he run Barkley who was showing dominance as you mentioned. He called two passes, both incomplete, and we had to punt. That is just brutal, stupid coaching and, for that reason alone, Shurmur needs to be fired. I do not know what Gettleman saw that indicated Shurmur could be a head coach in the NFL but he is terrible...as bad as we have had maybe since Handley. Even McAdoo was better. He knows he is gone...why do the Giants insist on letting him stay? He will be fired immediately after we lose to Philly in the final game. Why can't we get a competent coach here? What is wrong with this organization?
+1000. First down gets seven yards. Then two pass plays. Brutal, indeed.
Yeesh, imagine Smurfmur's panicked decision making in a high pressure coojer SB.
Not easy to do to BB. I didn’t realize how special us fans had it until now after two head coaches in a row who get out coached so easily. I remember analysts comparing SB46 to an incredibly tense chess match where Coughlin and Eli check mated Belichick and Brady. For Eli and now Daniel Jones to be stuck with this turtle is a bit depressing.
TC completely outcoached Harbaugh in playoff game too, had boring old Aaron Ross at PR while Harbaugh went with a kid.
And of course underappreciated when Coughlin would lead the league in challenge percentage. Yeesh.
Lol! I think about Coughlin every time Shurmur loses a challenge :D
I scream at the TV NO! Don't f****** challenge that! And then die a little bit on the inside. [/quote]
Regarding flea-flicker (and other plays) it should read "Solder couldn't hold his block for more than a 2 NANOseconds."
Unlike others on BBI, I'm not convinced Shurmur is a terrible head coach. I just think he is a terrible play caller while also serving as head coach. He simply doesn't seem to have a mind that can multi-task slickly/quickly enough to "head coach" and "call plays" at the same time, and both tasks suffer.
So my great objection to him as a head coach is that he allows himself to call plays. Dumb. If he let Eli call everything from the huddle, period, we would move the ball better than we do now.
I was going to post that about Barkley because all the numbnuts couldn Â
playing better right after Gettleman or Shurmur made comments about Lawrence and Hill getting pressure while Tomlinson wasn't. Since those comments he has played with more passion. It also looks like he has added a load of mass.
Not sure what has happened to Solder. It is as if he was 36 and father time caught up.
That was a catastrophic loss. How could they make the Eagles look so inept in the 1st half and then simply disappear in the 2nd.?
playing better right after Gettleman or Shurmur made comments about Lawrence and Hill getting pressure while Tomlinson wasn't. Since those comments he has played with more passion. It also looks like he has added a load of mass.
Not sure what has happened to Solder. It is as if he was 36 and father time caught up.
That was a catastrophic loss. How could they make the Eagles look so inept in the 1st half and then simply disappear in the 2nd.?
Thanks Sy.
Eagles played with more energy in the second half and they changed defenses. We had no answer.
Was unable to watch the game and half glad I did not its
these kind of losses that stick in your craw . Glad you
lambasted UnShurmur as Peterson schooled him like Rodgers
did I hope this loss sealed his fate . I was a bit
down on Tomlison but he has stepped it up he is a tough
strong SOB . Glad Eli had some fun out there sadly the
wheels have come off from Soldier . Slayton was one heck
of a find for all the criticism of DG he has made some
pretty strong picks .
I sure hope (and I believe) that Giants fans will use this game (if Eli plays) as a way to say thank you for all the great football he has delivered over the years.
As always, great review/insights! Very informative.
One small question -- wasn't sure what you were trying to say about Carson Wentz? At first I thought you were being critical and negative about him, but then you seemed to modify that opinion based on his receivers and O-line.
But in my view, he played very well, and how bad could he have been when he pitches at a 66% rate for well over 300 yards and 2 TDs (zero INTs)?
Interesting about Trent Williams. Conklin is the guy I'd target before the draft.
Let's assume for a second we wind up in the 3-5 range and we can't get Chase. Who/what are you thinking?
We could probably get a haul for Tua @ 3. Do you like Wirfs or Epenesa in the 5 range?
The best example I can think of is, he looks like the guy who gambles and has a plan but suddenly loses a few and thinks ok, to get myself back I need to do this and win a big one- losing even more.
Barkley may have looked better last night but, every time I see another back do well from a much lower draft spot (or undrafted), I realize that RB, even more than QB is 100% reliant on a good line. If you can't run block (and pass block, as your offense becomes one dimensional) you cannot run consistently no matter where you were drafted..
DG's biggest flaw is going RB so high in the draft while the Oline was still a huge work in progress just to try and get to average. That line and strategy didn't work as we are still a very below average OLine with parts that can't be there any longer- Solder and Remmers and shouldn't be there- Halapio..
How is it they do not at least attempt to make Barkley a central piece in the second half?
A true lowlight was when Solder and the third string TE were doubling teaming and the Eagle lineman went through them like a knife through warm butter on some of those 11 second half pass attempts. That is just pathetic, like the team and its HC. Shurmur should just put a tackling dummy out instead of Solder, perhaps the opposition will trip over it.
Solder is one of the worst FA signings in NY sports history. Why keep trotting him out there?
He should be benched and cut after the season.
This team's struggles are certainly a demonstration of the lack of depth and talent, but they are No Shows on too many Coverage Assignments, Blocking Assignments and Schemes, and Game Management blunders by the Head Coach.
The Jury is no longer out on Shurmur. He may be a Good Football Coach...He is NOT a Head Coach. This is a harsh and certain judgement... a regrettable conclusion. He needs to go.
Going into next year with Solder penciled in as a starting tackle will be like when we went into 2018 with Flowers starting at tackle. It is destined to fail, just a matter of when, and will not provide a longterm solution to this franchise
I'm really interested to see what the situation is with Solder's ankle. He can't change direction and looked like he just fell over on Curry's second sack (numb foot?). Also may be worth noting that Hanlon has kept him off the interview schedule for probably 6 weeks or more now. He's not a top LT, but common sense tells you he's not this bad, and it's shocking that we once again go a year with very green, undrafted guys as being T's.
However, the fact that this NYG team came out and straight up took it to the Eagles for the first half in a game that the Eagles HAD to have reeks of a coaching problem. Especially coming off a horrific loss to the hands of the Dolphins in another seemingly must win after a Dallas loss on Thanksgiving.
It's all about "what have you done for me lately" in NFL, and Peterson called all the right moves the year the Eagles won the Super Bowl -you can't take that from him...but I don't view him as a superior coach along the same lines as I do Tomlin, BB and Pete Carroll.
Loved this line: “Manning dropped back and lofted up one of his infamous deep balls...” Infamous deep ball. Gotta love that
I fixed it.
He needs to be fired along with Shurmur.
Interesting about Trent Williams. Conklin is the guy I'd target before the draft.
Let's assume for a second we wind up in the 3-5 range and we can't get Chase. Who/what are you thinking?
We could probably get a haul for Tua @ 3. Do you like Wirfs or Epenesa in the 5 range?
I'm not in on Epenesa just yet that high.
I do think there are a couple edge guys that could end up higher than what most are talking about. Gross-Matos (Penn State) is one of them
You can cut Solder next year - take some dead money - and still have $6 million to spend. While a real LT will cost more than that, it is worth not having him out there and NYG will have money to spend.
Leonard Williams is getting massively more money than $12M/yr. That's not even close.
Using the franchise tag, the player gets the > of (1) the average of the top salaries at his position or (2) his last year of compensation X 120%.
The projected FT for DTs is about $16M. Williams comp this year is $14M+. So that X 120% = $17M.
Which means LW is getting at least $17M/yr.
Leonard Williams is getting massively more money than $12M/yr. That's not even close.
Using the franchise tag, the player gets the > of (1) the average of the top salaries at his position or (2) his last year of compensation X 120%.
The projected FT for DTs is about $16M. Williams comp this year is $14M+. So that X 120% = $17M.
Which means LW is getting at least $17M/yr.
I will be surprised to see Williams get $17 mil per year...looking at the cap hits of the 2020 DTs:
Donald - 25
Cox - 24
Jarrett - 16
Buckner - 14.5
Atkins - 14.2
Williams - 14
I think most view Williams as a notch below those guys.
It may be a better option than keeping Solder at LT and signing Jack Conklin for RT.
1. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Giants move back to a 4-3 defense next season with the impending Free agency of Golden and the lack of production as a Rusher from Carter. Carter played a lot of stand up Lb at Georgia and it may be his best position. And the most likely choice of Chase Young (who I understand CAN play OLB but is a prototypical DE). I can see a situation where the Giants Let Golden walk (after firing Bettcher) and make a strong run at Clowney, Resign Leonard Williams, and draft Young. In one offseason you can have a line of:
Young - Williams - Lawrence - Clowney.
Put Carter at the Will (he’s athletic and decent in coverage) Connely at MLB. And signs or draft a capable SAM backer.
2. Halapio and Solder cannot be a part of this team next season. Solder is a bottom tier LT that has neither good foot quickness or strength to anchor while Halapio may be the worst starting Center in the league.
3. This may be coming from O.J. Simpson, but he had a valid point. GET SAQUON A FULLBACK. Look at what San Francisco’s FB does for those backs. Saquon needs a guy to pave the way for him. Ladanian Tomlinson has one that allowed him to truly shine and if Saquon has someone to stop that initial free runner then he’d be off to the races.
It may be a better option than keeping Solder at LT and signing Jack Conklin for RT.
A spot he has never played? I don't think so. His ability looks completely deflated and I don't think it matters where he plays. He isn't going to get better.
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Eli's QBR is the game was 11.5, not 94.2. That's the fluffy passer rating.
Leonard Williams is getting massively more money than $12M/yr. That's not even close.
Using the franchise tag, the player gets the > of (1) the average of the top salaries at his position or (2) his last year of compensation X 120%.
The projected FT for DTs is about $16M. Williams comp this year is $14M+. So that X 120% = $17M.
Which means LW is getting at least $17M/yr.
I will be surprised to see Williams get $17 mil per year...looking at the cap hits of the 2020 DTs:
Donald - 25
Cox - 24
Jarrett - 16
Buckner - 14.5
Atkins - 14.2
Williams - 14
I think most view Williams as a notch below those guys.
Jarrett is the perfect comp to Williams. He's actually at $17M, which he signed this past summer. Look at their YoY stats. They are very similar.
Further, look at Jurrell Casey. Also very similar output to LW and Jarrett. He signed for $15M/yr in 2017. He's also a very similar comp to LW. So if you add the rate of inflation in NFL salaries to his 2017 baseline, he's probably around $17M.
So LW and his team absolutely know this and will be using those as starting points.
But, more importantly, if we don't negotiate a deal, the franchise tag will be applied. And that, again, is going to be $17M.
This is why this was a tragically poor trade...
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Eli's QBR is the game was 11.5, not 94.2. That's the fluffy passer rating.
Leonard Williams is getting massively more money than $12M/yr. That's not even close.
Using the franchise tag, the player gets the > of (1) the average of the top salaries at his position or (2) his last year of compensation X 120%.
The projected FT for DTs is about $16M. Williams comp this year is $14M+. So that X 120% = $17M.
Which means LW is getting at least $17M/yr.
I will be surprised to see Williams get $17 mil per year...looking at the cap hits of the 2020 DTs:
Donald - 25
Cox - 24
Jarrett - 16
Buckner - 14.5
Atkins - 14.2
Williams - 14
I think most view Williams as a notch below those guys.
Jarrett is the perfect comp to Williams. He's actually at $17M, which he signed this past summer. Look at their YoY stats. They are very similar.
Further, look at Jurrell Casey. Also very similar output to LW and Jarrett. He signed for $15M/yr in 2017. He's also a very similar comp to LW. So if you add the rate of inflation in NFL salaries to his 2017 baseline, he's probably around $17M.
So LW and his team absolutely know this and will be using those as starting points.
But, more importantly, if we don't negotiate a deal, the franchise tag will be applied. And that, again, is going to be $17M.
This is why this was a tragically poor trade...
Fair points across the board
I can't say what the market will provide him, I can just give a simple guess and my own opinion. If NYG has to give a 17+ cap number to him for multiple years, I quickly bow out of that.
The best example I can think of is, he looks like the guy who gambles and has a plan but suddenly loses a few and thinks ok, to get myself back I need to do this and win a big one- losing even more.
Barkley may have looked better last night but, every time I see another back do well from a much lower draft spot (or undrafted), I realize that RB, even more than QB is 100% reliant on a good line. If you can't run block (and pass block, as your offense becomes one dimensional) you cannot run consistently no matter where you were drafted..
DG's biggest flaw is going RB so high in the draft while the Oline was still a huge work in progress just to try and get to average. That line and strategy didn't work as we are still a very below average OLine with parts that can't be there any longer- Solder and Remmers and shouldn't be there- Halapio..
As much as we sucked ass big time this year, the team never was just completely dismantled in a game. What does that say about talent and coaching ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Loved this line: “Manning dropped back and lofted up one of his infamous deep balls...” Infamous deep ball. Gotta love that
TC and Gilbride made BB make tough decisions.
Yeesh, imagine Smurfmur's panicked decision making in a high pressure coojer SB.
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Does it make sense to move Solder to Right Tackle and sign Trent Williams?
It may be a better option than keeping Solder at LT and signing Jack Conklin for RT.
A spot he has never played? I don't think so. His ability looks completely deflated and I don't think it matters where he plays. He isn't going to get better.
Thought Solder started in NE as a RT?
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Does it make sense to move Solder to Right Tackle and sign Trent Williams?
It may be a better option than keeping Solder at LT and signing Jack Conklin for RT.
A spot he has never played? I don't think so. His ability looks completely deflated and I don't think it matters where he plays. He isn't going to get better.
Thought Solder started in NE as a RT?
He did play some RT in 2011 as a rookie but played even more as an additional or Blocking TE. He took over the LT spot in 2012.
Yeesh, imagine Smurfmur's panicked decision making in a high pressure coojer SB. [/quote]
Not easy to do to BB. I didn’t realize how special us fans had it until now after two head coaches in a row who get out coached so easily. I remember analysts comparing SB46 to an incredibly tense chess match where Coughlin and Eli check mated Belichick and Brady. For Eli and now Daniel Jones to be stuck with this turtle is a bit depressing.
Yeesh, imagine Smurfmur's panicked decision making in a high pressure coojer SB.
Not easy to do to BB. I didn’t realize how special us fans had it until now after two head coaches in a row who get out coached so easily. I remember analysts comparing SB46 to an incredibly tense chess match where Coughlin and Eli check mated Belichick and Brady. For Eli and now Daniel Jones to be stuck with this turtle is a bit depressing. [/quote]
TC completely outcoached Harbaugh in playoff game too, had boring old Aaron Ross at PR while Harbaugh went with a kid.
And of course underappreciated when Coughlin would lead the league in challenge percentage. Yeesh.
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TC and Gilbride made BB make tough decisions.
Yeesh, imagine Smurfmur's panicked decision making in a high pressure coojer SB.
Not easy to do to BB. I didn’t realize how special us fans had it until now after two head coaches in a row who get out coached so easily. I remember analysts comparing SB46 to an incredibly tense chess match where Coughlin and Eli check mated Belichick and Brady. For Eli and now Daniel Jones to be stuck with this turtle is a bit depressing.
TC completely outcoached Harbaugh in playoff game too, had boring old Aaron Ross at PR while Harbaugh went with a kid.
And of course underappreciated when Coughlin would lead the league in challenge percentage. Yeesh. [/quote]
Lol! I think about Coughlin every time Shurmur loses a challenge :D
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TC and Gilbride made BB make tough decisions.
Yeesh, imagine Smurfmur's panicked decision making in a high pressure coojer SB.
Not easy to do to BB. I didn’t realize how special us fans had it until now after two head coaches in a row who get out coached so easily. I remember analysts comparing SB46 to an incredibly tense chess match where Coughlin and Eli check mated Belichick and Brady. For Eli and now Daniel Jones to be stuck with this turtle is a bit depressing.
TC completely outcoached Harbaugh in playoff game too, had boring old Aaron Ross at PR while Harbaugh went with a kid.
And of course underappreciated when Coughlin would lead the league in challenge percentage. Yeesh.
Lol! I think about Coughlin every time Shurmur loses a challenge :D [/quote]
I scream at the TV NO! Don't f****** challenge that! And then die a little bit on the inside.
+1000. First down gets seven yards. Then two pass plays. Brutal, indeed.
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TC and Gilbride made BB make tough decisions.
Yeesh, imagine Smurfmur's panicked decision making in a high pressure coojer SB.
Not easy to do to BB. I didn’t realize how special us fans had it until now after two head coaches in a row who get out coached so easily. I remember analysts comparing SB46 to an incredibly tense chess match where Coughlin and Eli check mated Belichick and Brady. For Eli and now Daniel Jones to be stuck with this turtle is a bit depressing.
TC completely outcoached Harbaugh in playoff game too, had boring old Aaron Ross at PR while Harbaugh went with a kid.
And of course underappreciated when Coughlin would lead the league in challenge percentage. Yeesh.
Lol! I think about Coughlin every time Shurmur loses a challenge :D
I scream at the TV NO! Don't f****** challenge that! And then die a little bit on the inside. [/quote]
Same here!!
Unlike others on BBI, I'm not convinced Shurmur is a terrible head coach. I just think he is a terrible play caller while also serving as head coach. He simply doesn't seem to have a mind that can multi-task slickly/quickly enough to "head coach" and "call plays" at the same time, and both tasks suffer.
So my great objection to him as a head coach is that he allows himself to call plays. Dumb. If he let Eli call everything from the huddle, period, we would move the ball better than we do now.
Not sure what has happened to Solder. It is as if he was 36 and father time caught up.
That was a catastrophic loss. How could they make the Eagles look so inept in the 1st half and then simply disappear in the 2nd.?
Thanks Sy.
Not sure what has happened to Solder. It is as if he was 36 and father time caught up.
That was a catastrophic loss. How could they make the Eagles look so inept in the 1st half and then simply disappear in the 2nd.?
Thanks Sy.
these kind of losses that stick in your craw . Glad you
lambasted UnShurmur as Peterson schooled him like Rodgers
did I hope this loss sealed his fate . I was a bit
down on Tomlison but he has stepped it up he is a tough
strong SOB . Glad Eli had some fun out there sadly the
wheels have come off from Soldier . Slayton was one heck
of a find for all the criticism of DG he has made some
pretty strong picks .
As always, great review/insights! Very informative.
One small question -- wasn't sure what you were trying to say about Carson Wentz? At first I thought you were being critical and negative about him, but then you seemed to modify that opinion based on his receivers and O-line.
But in my view, he played very well, and how bad could he have been when he pitches at a 66% rate for well over 300 yards and 2 TDs (zero INTs)?