Players don't seem to like it when you call them out publicly. I remember Coughlin accurately stating that everyone was pathetic and Hakeem Nicks took it personal and that was after the Seattle 23-0 loss in 2013? He did everything that a man should be doing and instead of owning up to it he said "no. thats not it at all". Uh yeah, you just got shut out 23-0 you should put pride away and realize what a joke you were.
Shut up and own up to being a joke? Does this even exist anymore? Players blowing assignments committing penalties and smiling? Where is the leadership, huh? Imagine someone smiling after a blown play with Ray Lewis on your team? Oh wait, am I proving a salient point between winners and losers?
If I were Mara I'd be telling it like it is about this team in the media, the coach and the GM would be petrified of me. Where was Shurmur when Ertz was that wide open? If I were a coach or leader of the team, I would've been chewing out the defense, kind of like Coughlin did to Dodge but worse. The cameras would be zoomed in and you'd the last thing you would see was that player getting an earful with a clenched fist.
Well, if I were Mara, Shurmur would've been out the door weeks ago. Do the math. 17-45? F right off. Dont give me this excuse about lack of talent either, they were in this game.
Seems as if this generation of players doesn't like to be criticized and they don't own up to it. What happened? Why is 2 and fucking 11 acceptable? You'd be hearing curse words and devaluing of one's existence if I had a say in it but good thing I don't because we don't want to upset the participation trophy generation to get cry.
I guess I am that out of touch and this is what happens when you get older lol. Look at everything else beyond the scope of football. End of rant.
Shurmur has no leg to stand on to scream at anyone. He sucks and his assistant coaches suck.
When the top two lieutenants are sensitive to criticism, and then try to cleanse the locker room of any player who would dare to constructively criticize, you basically have a program running scared.
Again, we can complain all we want about Shurmur and Gettleman et al but this starts at the top. I want to know exactly what Mara/Tisch are going to do to fix the obvious issues in that building?
Until that changes, I am not confident anything else will.
The team may still suck for a while, but there will be consequences for fucking up. The players WILL be screamed at. They will be called out (as a team or unit) in the media, until they are terrified to fuck up. And if they still fuck up, they'll be on the bench or the bus out of town after the game.
Shurmer ain't that guy. I hope Rivera is.
Shurmur has no leg to stand on to scream at anyone. He sucks and his assistant coaches suck.
What good are curse words going to do? Uh how about not smiling to a loser culture (if you read the OP correctly) and people would be walking on eggshells. The GM would have to do a 2 hour documentary spelling out how disrespectful I was to him.
"Wow, you wouldn't wanna mess with that guy. He just wants to win, nothing wrong with that."
Uh...if you need to question anything else logical, I'll be right here.
Young teams need an asshole coach like them to grow up, and to learn what it takes.
Not to mention it's hard to trade a guy like that and convince the players you're trying to win.
What veterans? and when those younger guys were put in (David Wilson, Brewer, Flowers, Pugh), how did that pan out? I think you're mixing up what type of biased information your mind is storing with common sense/reality just so you can rebut the OP. You're not really saying anything different.
I think its pretty obvious Coughlin kept OBJ in the game to save his own ass. He knew with him OBJ on the field, he had a chance to make a comeback down 35-7. It was a nice way of saying "fuck you" to the Giants.
To this day, my father points to that as the turning points for the Giants franchise. He swears to god it was the first sign that ownership cared more about the players putting fans in the seats than they did about winning.
most of these players are just going through the motions,
planning their offseason plans, and I imagine for some -
exit strategies. Earlier in the season is when one would
ask for commitment, would make sensationalist statements
calling for their teammates to show heart, to turn around a
helpless, lost season.
The past had the famous Fassell prediction, there have been
rallying cries from leaders of era's past that worked to
unite teams and turned the time. But this is different, this
much losing over so many years has traumatized the team, now
players seem to have forgotten how to win.
The rot is at the top and must be removed!
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I completely agree with this. The Giants' issues go back a few years, and include Coughlin.
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When the head coach is incompetent too?
Shurmur has no leg to stand on to scream at anyone. He sucks and his assistant coaches suck.
What good are curse words going to do? Uh how about not smiling to a loser culture (if you read the OP correctly) and people would be walking on eggshells. The GM would have to do a 2 hour documentary spelling out how disrespectful I was to him.
"Wow, you wouldn't wanna mess with that guy. He just wants to win, nothing wrong with that."
Uh...if you need to question anything else logical, I'll be right here.
Why would you care if someone is yelling at you if you dont respect them? Only a child gets scared at yelling for the sake of yelling.
That's why the Rivera video from a couple days ago shouldn't really endear anyone to him.
Think about it...if you're working at a company with 60 or so other people and your boss starts yelling at everyone like a lunatic, is the company going to function better?
People follow competence, confidence, and a good plan. Shit, did Bill Walsh seem like a hollerer? He seemed more like a scientist...and most of the games he coached he'd already won before kickoff.
That's why the Rivera video from a couple days ago shouldn't really endear anyone to him.
Think about it...if you're working at a company with 60 or so other people and your boss starts yelling at everyone like a lunatic, is the company going to function better?
People follow competence, confidence, and a good plan. Shit, did Bill Walsh seem like a hollerer? He seemed more like a scientist...and most of the games he coached he'd already won before kickoff.
You think Belichick turns into an assclown screaming at people when down at half time?
Some good it did Rivera too, they got smashed in the second half.
So Nicks was basically saying, "Look in the mirror and see how your coaching led to a bad performance before you start calling everyone else out."
I other words, Nicks was implicitly saying that Coughlin was doing exactly what you complain about: he was not taking responsibility for his own poor gameplan but instead blaming others.
Also we have no idea what is happening behind closed doors during film sessions etc in regards to being called out
Anyway.. yeah Parcells took a few years to remove anyone who was not on board. We started to add leaders who would take care of the locker room and the attitudes. Some of the players culled were talented guys.
We saw Bill bring in guys who had heart and played hard. Suggest watching the John Tuggle video again.
In comes McAdoo, with some changes to the approach in an attempt to relate to the players better; that seems to work very well in year 1, fails miserably in year 2.
The Giants tore down and traded away a bunch of guys because of what they perceived to be a lack of leadership and character, and there's still a huge void there. Now it gets pinned on Shurmur.
Something is rotten inside that building - and seems like it has been that way since right after Sandy.