The only thing we’ve heard from ownership is a brief comment from Tisch which included no vote of confidence for Gettleman or Shurmur.
Tisch referenced the need for “honest conversations” with Mara.
In the midst of the longest losing streak in franchise history, we’ve heard nothing from Mara. Shurmur is hanging out there like a piñata; there is no comment from ownership stating there is trust with the people in charge, nothing about seeing the plan through.
I think the silence is very telling. That coupled with Tisch’s comments makes me think we will see big changes.
I dont think DG will be doing anything other than packing his bags.
Atleast he doesn't have his hands all over the team like the other half of ownership.
The athletic trainer will get the axe at season's end. Major change by mara!
where does it end? are we forever doomed? does a proven HC like rivera turn things around?
my guess is DG stays, rivera is hired and brings a quality staff with him.
id be fine with that, but im also okay with getting rid of everyone if we have a proven guy waiting.
I think Shurmur will be fired, probably along with the assistants, and Rivera hired.
Of course, that could end up being wrong, but that's what I see happening.
I think Shurmur will be fired, probably along with the assistants, and Rivera hired.
Of course, that could end up being wrong, but that's what I see happening.
Me too. The bellyaching that occurs over it will be overwhelming and exhausting, but it is a logical move and I think would yield positive results despite all of the "Giants Way' cries.
I think Shurmur will be fired, probably along with the assistants, and Rivera hired.
Of course, that could end up being wrong, but that's what I see happening.
FMiC, I can definitely see that. Mara letting DG know that he is going to be let go and him letting DG "resign" .
Agreed, but soooo hope I am wrong. Keeping G will just mean digging the hole deeper.
It doesn't make sense to fire Shurmur and not Gettleman on any level. He hasn't done anything to deserve the benefit of the doubt and his free agent deals have been a disaster, last thing we should want is a guy that knows he needs to win next year spending a ton of money this off-season.
He’s run successful businesses. Maybe he can be the one that steps in and says let’s have the football people in the building take care of this and we be hands off. Something like that.
Also maybe he can show Mara that we need to innovate and get ahead of the curve to get out of this mess.
I don’t know, I like that Tisch isn’t in the building everyday and is successful elsewhere. He might be able to provide a good outside look where Mara is way to close to the product to see it.
If you ask me what I'd like to see, I'd like a VP of football operations not named Mara or Tisch. Once in place, I'd like that person to make the decisions on Gettleman and Shurmur, which would more than likely be to replace.
I think Shurmur will be fired, probably along with the assistants, and Rivera hired.
Of course, that could end up being wrong, but that's what I see happening.
I have no clue what to expect for a GM or HC if Gettleman is fired. And all of this assumes Shurmer is fired no matter what.
I do think Gettleman & Rivera would be the best cohesion we had from GM/HC in a long time.
Let Gettleman draft in 2020, spend some money on DL, OL, and LB, and hire a championship level coach who knows how the fuck to lead a team, and we will be on the right path.
Totally agree. This team should not have 2 wins. Our coaches are not able to get the most out of this team.
1. Do we see Pat Shurmur making this team into a competitive team every year
2. Do we see Dave Gettleman turning this roster into a competitive team.
I think both need to be relieved of their duties. But my guess is Shurmur goes, Dave stays.
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Gettleman will remain.
Totally agree. This team should not have 2 wins. Our coaches are not able to get the most out of this team.
You're correct this team should not have 2 wins. They should have 1 win.
Let's hear which teams in the league clearly have a worse roster. That list has 1 or 2 teams on it at most.
Shurmur sucks. DG sucks. Get rid of both of those clowns.
Whether or not it's expected, Gettleman's return will be a disappointment for us all.
Oh we're set up for disappointment alright...many more years of it.
Neither John Mara nor Steve Tisch are "football guys" and have simply kept the structure of the front office intact and retained all the personnel that worked for their fathers before them. To their credit, this decision resulted in 2 Super Bowls and plenty of great Giant memories.
Maybe after 15 years keeping things as they have always been, one or both might realize that change is necessary to avoid further irrelevance in the future. If there are to be major changes, then I predict it will be both in the front office structure and with the on-field personnel (both coaching and players). My guess is that Tisch is ready to rip out current front office root/stem and Mara might want to take another year before admitting Gettleman was a mistake.
The first step in fixing any problem is admitting that you have a problem.
That being said, you could argue the other side in that Gettleman hasn't exactly instilled confidence here, and Rivera is somewhat of a retread coach, that it wouldn't work out and that this team needs a fresh philosophy for what the NFL is now.
I'd love to be able to be a frontrunner and always root for a winner...just not my personality. I live in Dallas and watch the Jerrah Jones shitshow with glee every year...but it also shows me that an owner can keep a franchise down for decades. Mara will get lucky and get it right someday......
Me too. The bellyaching that occurs over it will be overwhelming and exhausting, but it is a logical move and I think would yield positive results despite all of the "Giants Way' cries.
The so called "logic" of this outcome would be 100% the "Giants Way".
And that is taking the exit sign titled "Safe and Predictable".
What 3 coaches? Get a grip on reality. Its not an exact science.
I listened as well, and although he said that, I think that was just a talking point to say hey I want to win, I want to get back to winning consistently, etc..not necessarily that he needs and wants a perfect roster.
Gettleman was hired by accorsi in the "Giants Way", Shurmur had no ties to the team. Prior to coming in as the OC, McAdoo had no ties to the team or to TC or to the owners. And then he is HC and he implements a WC-type offense, a very un-Giants Way thing to do.
So Shurmur could get fired, and Rivera could be hired, and it will be looked at as the "Giants way", even though it is more like The Panthers Way.
Hell, the way the logic gets contorted here, once Reeves came to NY and started importing Broncos, that was probably the Giants Way because he was now a Giant HC and those guys now had ties to him!
The tentacles are long - the logic is short.
This decision should have been made weeks ago.
A year ago he hired a staff to help him do a complete reboot on how to evaluate talent, the college game, trends in the game, game planning, etc.
Sounded like a pretty impressive introspection.
The Giants Way!
They are going to bring someone from the outside to oversee football operations and report to both equally.
I hope to God I'm right.
The Giants Way!
You mean the last coach who took us to the playoffs?
This decision should have been made weeks ago.
I think Matt made a good point about Gettleman in another thread. I think his fate depends on what kind of coach comes with it. If the plan is Rivera, he would need to AGREE to take the job. What happens if Rivera says no & no other coach wants to work with a potential lame duck GM?
If Rivera & Rhule don’t take the Giant jobs with Gettleman or another candidate requires a different structure & Mara thinks he’s the right guy for the job, that’s when I think Gettleman is in trouble.
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The Giants Way!
You mean the last coach who took us to the playoffs?
What does winning or losing have to do with the Giants Way?? I'd see the Giants Way as having a SB victory in every decade since the 80's, but unsurprisingly, it has been turned into a negative as if bringing in non-Giant ties ensures success.
I'm sure you already know this, but everyone's favorite Rhule has giants ties, so is it called the Giants Way if he succeeds or only when he fails?
They are going to bring someone from the outside to oversee football operations and report to both equally.
I hope to God I'm right.
I'm not sure Tisch has the wherewithal to push for that.
If you know your Giants history that's how George Young became the GM in 1979.