Assuming the 3 million is accurate, that puts them 2.5 under.
So really they can't do any more deals unless it is something like Dan suggested above, with getting a cost controlled catcher like one of the guys from Toronto.
I think using a player like Dom to move a salary like Lowrie's is a bad move longterm. This is not a team guaranteed to make the playoffs. See how they start the season before you start giving away young talent to move short-term contracts.
LeClerc has an extremely team-friendly contract, however I think Dom would be a great target for Texas. RP are volatile and LeClerc has had major command issues for the majority of his career. Huge 2018 for sure. Big risk with him. 68.2 innings 33 walks in 2019
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
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1m
Sources: Mets have talked to the Rangers about right-hander reliever Jose Leclerc.
Leclerc, 25, had 4.33 ERA, 100 K in 68 innings in 2019
@Ken_Rosenthal
was the first to mention that the Rangers and Mets had talked about a deal potentially including Dom Smith and Jed Lowrie.
Leclerc is good. Would be a nice add.
If we trade both Smith and Lowrie, we're left with, Mcneil, Rosario, Cano, Alonso, Davis in the IF. And, Conforto, Nimmo, the Astros guy we added, Cespedes and Davis in OF.
Our depth looks a lot thinner after a deal like that. Cano is likely to be on the DL at some point. Nimmo and Conforto havn't exactly been healthy all the time. Cespedes is obviously a question mark. McNeil seemed like he needed rest days last year at times.
Are we really sure we want to give up all of that depth just to add an RP? Why not keep the depth and just sign Betances without giving anything up?
scares me. 5.1 BB/9 in 2019, career 5.6. Not saying I'd hate Dom and Lowrie for him but I could also see it working out poorly for us and well for Texas.
scares me. 5.1 BB/9 in 2019, career 5.6. Not saying I'd hate Dom and Lowrie for him but I could also see it working out poorly for us and well for Texas.
I agree. Not another reliever with control problems. However, it might be too tempting for BVW to turn down since it would free up the extra cap space, while also adding another arm to the bullpen. Lowrie really has no place on this team
scares me. 5.1 BB/9 in 2019, career 5.6. Not saying I'd hate Dom and Lowrie for him but I could also see it working out poorly for us and well for Texas.
I agree. Not another reliever with control problems. However, it might be too tempting for BVW to turn down since it would free up the extra cap space, while also adding another arm to the bullpen. Lowrie really has no place on this team
disagree, he's the Mets only real depth in the infield.
and not totally relevant, but Mets have 15 players on their roster that have made at least 1 all start game. That does not include Nimmo, Lugo or J.D. Davis
disagree, he's the Mets only real depth in the infield.
He is only depth at SS.
If Cano goes down, McNeil goes to 2B and JD to 3B.
If McNeil goes down, JD takes his spot
So, Lowrie only really will be used extensively if Rosario goes down and he played in 154 and 157 games the last two years.
Plus, I doubt Lowrie can play SS full time at a high level any more. He is obviously better defensively than JD at 3B. But they have Luis G to be a defensive replacement.
So, yeah, Lowrie is a good guy to have but in no way is he essential even as a backup. Then, if you factor in that he missed almost all of last season with a variety of injuries and he is due to make 11.5 million, you trade him in a heartbeat if anybody wants him.
and not totally relevant, but Mets have 15 players on their roster that have made at least 1 all start game. That does not include Nimmo, Lugo or J.D. Davis
disagree, he's the Mets only real depth in the infield.
He is only depth at SS.
If Cano goes down, McNeil goes to 2B and JD to 3B.
If McNeil goes down, JD takes his spot
So, Lowrie only really will be used extensively if Rosario goes down and he played in 154 and 157 games the last two years.
Plus, I doubt Lowrie can play SS full time at a high level any more. He is obviously better defensively than JD at 3B. But they have Luis G to be a defensive replacement.
So, yeah, Lowrie is a good guy to have but in no way is he essential even as a backup. Then, if you factor in that he missed almost all of last season with a variety of injuries and he is due to make 11.5 million, you trade him in a heartbeat if anybody wants him.
Then you take that money and sign Betances.
not certain I want JD playing extensively at 3B. That feeling could change but right now hard pass on that idea.
Also can we not shift McNeil around again like we've been doing, give him 3b full time.
Dont know why people are in a rush to trade away Â
Thats a ton of depth and I guarantee 3 regular everyday players will be out at the same time this coming year, at least once.
Lowrie backs up 3B, SS, and 2B. Dom backs up CO/1B but is also the primary LH bat off the bench. JD backs up CO/3B and is probably starting multiple times a week resting Ces.
Marisnick plays against lefties and comes in late in just about every game with a lead.
did the Wilpons lose $60 million dollars the last two years? It's unreal to me. Baseball is growing like crazy, teams like the Phillies and Braves are spending enormous sums of money and we're LOSING money?
Those Debt payments are what killed this organization. And they were too stupid to be ahead of the curve in analytics like the Rays.
Without the debt payments though, they almost certainly would be turning a profit.
Cohen can't get here soon enough. We have an incredibly rabid fanbase that will turn out with a winner.
RE: Dont know why people are in a rush to trade away Â
Thats a ton of depth and I guarantee 3 regular everyday players will be out at the same time this coming year, at least once.
Lowrie backs up 3B, SS, and 2B. Dom backs up CO/1B but is also the primary LH bat off the bench. JD backs up CO/3B and is probably starting multiple times a week resting Ces.
Marisnick plays against lefties and comes in late in just about every game with a lead.
Thats a really nice bench. Leave it alone.
1000% agree, the lux tax will cost peanuts vs what they will make in a winning season's revenue.
alot of RP's still available, some can probably be got cheaply or with minor league deals.
Cischek, Joe Smith, Vizcaino, Pat Neshek
RE: RE: I swear I just want one more quality reliever Â
MM was traded twice last year, first by KC to the Cubs for a 30 year old reliever. Then by the Cubs at the deadline to the Astros for Tony Kemp.
In 98 PA's for the Astros he went on to post a .781 OPS and on the season he was as usual 1 of the best defensive C's overall (+8 DRS). He made like $3m total last year, so presumably this was a decision over $1m.
Not sure which reliever would have made the most sense, but flash to September 3rd vs. the Nats and a lot of guys could have been the difference in both of those team's trajectories from that moment forward. As could have firing Callaway in June like he should have been.
A lot of "what ifs" from last year unfortunately, and all linked to shit decisions made but our beloved CEO, who fortunately had "prior obligations" instead of attending the WM like usual this year.
guessing but baseball prospectus's catching metrics don't like Maldonado at all and the Mets have hired people from BP since Brodie was hired so I'm guessing they like him less than you'd think.
guessing but baseball prospectus's catching metrics don't like Maldonado at all and the Mets have hired people from BP since Brodie was hired so I'm guessing they like him less than you'd think.
Certainly possible, but presumably there's something there if the Astros keep adding him and getting to WS with him. The C position is a complete wasteland.
guessing but baseball prospectus's catching metrics don't like Maldonado at all and the Mets have hired people from BP since Brodie was hired so I'm guessing they like him less than you'd think.
Certainly possible, but presumably there's something there if the Astros keep adding him and getting to WS with him. The C position is a complete wasteland.
BP's system really, really dislike him.. not saying they or the Mets are right, it's just a theory I have. Link - ( New Window )
What does Jacob Stallings cost @Mets? Better hitter than Nido and both @baseballpro and statcorner seem very high on his work behind the plate. No real future in Pittsburgh #Mets
DMM the only part of that theory that's off a little Â
is that in 2017 MM was #1 in the BP stats and in 2018 he was not as good but still a positive (#18, tied with Zunino). So when he was a FA right around the time we cut TDA he didn't rank poorly, and we know they had spoken to him prior to signing Ramos in the offseason so there was some level of interest.
So while his 2019 metrics very well could have been crap, whatever he had accrued by July probably needed to be taken with a grain of salt not only because they were SSS but because he mostly pitched for a new team, with a terrible pitching staff he was new to, and without a ST.
By statcast Maldonado was still top of the league in pop time and arm so whatever regression he had doesn't seem to have been due to a loss of athletic ability which is usually the main concern with aging regression.
RE: DMM the only part of that theory that's off a little Â
is that in 2017 MM was #1 in the BP stats and in 2018 he was not as good but still a positive (#18, tied with Zunino). So when he was a FA right around the time we cut TDA he didn't rank poorly, and we know they had spoken to him prior to signing Ramos in the offseason so there was some level of interest.
So while his 2019 metrics very well could have been crap, whatever he had accrued by July probably needed to be taken with a grain of salt not only because they were SSS but because he mostly pitched for a new team, with a terrible pitching staff he was new to, and without a ST.
By statcast Maldonado was still top of the league in pop time and arm so whatever regression he had doesn't seem to have been due to a loss of athletic ability which is usually the main concern with aging regression.
BP had him 86th in framing runs (which is obviously very bad) and 34th in overall defense (FRAA) for whatever the reason their metrics are very low on him.
right but that's from an odd year that was split on 3 teams w/ no ST Â
I have no idea how they calculate framing runs in the first place, but I'd imagine familiarity impacts any stat that has variables from other players (pitchers).
did the Wilpons lose $60 million dollars the last two years? It's unreal to me. Baseball is growing like crazy, teams like the Phillies and Braves are spending enormous sums of money and we're LOSING money?
Those Debt payments are what killed this organization. And they were too stupid to be ahead of the curve in analytics like the Rays.
Without the debt payments though, they almost certainly would be turning a profit.
Cohen can't get here soon enough. We have an incredibly rabid fanbase that will turn out with a winner.
They didn't. It's an accounting trick. They are not counting the increase in the team's value, just revenue.
What does Jacob Stallings cost @Mets? Better hitter than Nido and both @baseballpro and statcorner seem very high on his work behind the plate. No real future in Pittsburgh #Mets
Dan, quick question. Do you copy and paste what you put on twitter? Just wondering why some of your posts look like a twitter post and some are normal.
What does Jacob Stallings cost @Mets? Better hitter than Nido and both @baseballpro and statcorner seem very high on his work behind the plate. No real future in Pittsburgh #Mets
Dan, quick question. Do you copy and paste what you put on twitter? Just wondering why some of your posts look like a twitter post and some are normal.
Only when I use my phone which I’m doing right now with my computer doing some weird error check thing for the past few hours.
liking what the Marlins have done so far adding Villar, Garcia, Aguilar and Sharp
Considering he is likely to come cheap I understand getting Aguilar. I just don't think there is much there and he benefitted from playing home games in Milwaukee. Sharp was one of the few names in the Rule 5 Draft I liked this year, but I figured that he would not fall to the Mets even if we had a slot available for him.
liking what the Marlins have done so far adding Villar, Garcia, Aguilar and Sharp
Considering he is likely to come cheap I understand getting Aguilar. I just don't think there is much there and he benefitted from playing home games in Milwaukee. Sharp was one of the few names in the Rule 5 Draft I liked this year, but I figured that he would not fall to the Mets even if we had a slot available for him.
Aguilar is nothing special but he's going to cost the Marlins pennies and put up a 3.1 fWAR season in 2018, maybe it was a total fluke but for "free" he was a nice add. Villar was a steal and Garcia could be one as well.
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
Sources: The Mets have reached an agreement with Yoenis Cespedes to amend his contract and 2020 salary. Still working on details.
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
Yoenis Cespedes and the New York Mets have agreed on an amended contract, a source tells ESPN. While he remains with the team, the settlement significantly lower his salary from the planned $29.5 million.
And now we know why BVW was mum on him a few weeks ago Â
hopefully that savings can get injected into signing Betances.
Do that and swap Dom or JDD for 1 of the Toronto catchers (or another strong defensive catcher) and even with Wheeler leaving I'd consider this offseason a major success. Especially knowing the end of the Wilpon era is near.
Def sounds like they had a good case, maybe BVW went player friendly? Â
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
The reduction in Céspedes' 2020 salary is "significant," a source said. He had been due to make $29.5 million before this restructuring.
RE: Def sounds like they had a good case, maybe BVW went player friendly? Â
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
The reduction in Céspedes' 2020 salary is "significant," a source said. He had been due to make $29.5 million before this restructuring.
Wow, that's huge! Definitely didn't see that happening. That can change a lot going forward.
RE: And now we know why BVW was mum on him a few weeks ago Â
Jacob Resnick
@Jacob_Resnick
The details on Michael Wacha’s incentives:
He gets a “point” for each start or relief appearance of at least three innings. He will earn $500K at points 10, 14, 18, and 20 and at each additional point through 30.
He would earn $250K for 40, 45, 50, and 55 relief appearances.
im really annoyed at how obvious of a signing Betances should be right now. Would be nice to see the new manager get a guy he has a relationship after Callaway the pitching guru was like 0-3 with "his guys" who hit FA.
So really they can't do any more deals unless it is something like Dan suggested above, with getting a cost controlled catcher like one of the guys from Toronto.
I think using a player like Dom to move a salary like Lowrie's is a bad move longterm. This is not a team guaranteed to make the playoffs. See how they start the season before you start giving away young talent to move short-term contracts.
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
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1m
Sources: Mets have talked to the Rangers about right-hander reliever Jose Leclerc.
Leclerc, 25, had 4.33 ERA, 100 K in 68 innings in 2019
@Ken_Rosenthal
was the first to mention that the Rangers and Mets had talked about a deal potentially including Dom Smith and Jed Lowrie.
Leclerc is good. Would be a nice add.
If we trade both Smith and Lowrie, we're left with, Mcneil, Rosario, Cano, Alonso, Davis in the IF. And, Conforto, Nimmo, the Astros guy we added, Cespedes and Davis in OF.
Our depth looks a lot thinner after a deal like that. Cano is likely to be on the DL at some point. Nimmo and Conforto havn't exactly been healthy all the time. Cespedes is obviously a question mark. McNeil seemed like he needed rest days last year at times.
Are we really sure we want to give up all of that depth just to add an RP? Why not keep the depth and just sign Betances without giving anything up?
I agree. Not another reliever with control problems. However, it might be too tempting for BVW to turn down since it would free up the extra cap space, while also adding another arm to the bullpen. Lowrie really has no place on this team
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scares me. 5.1 BB/9 in 2019, career 5.6. Not saying I'd hate Dom and Lowrie for him but I could also see it working out poorly for us and well for Texas.
I agree. Not another reliever with control problems. However, it might be too tempting for BVW to turn down since it would free up the extra cap space, while also adding another arm to the bullpen. Lowrie really has no place on this team
disagree, he's the Mets only real depth in the infield.
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@Tucker_TnL
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UPDATE- In this decade alone, Scott Boras has negotiated
Holliday, 7y / 120M
Werth, 7y / 126M
Fielder, 9y / 214M
Andrus, 8y / 120M
Ellsbury, 7y / 153M
Choo, 7y / 130M
Scherzer, 7y / 210M
Harper, 13y / 330M
Strasburg, 7y / 245M
Cole, 9y / 324M
Rendon, 7y / 245M
2.2 BILLION+
Lowrie really has no place on this team
disagree, he's the Mets only real depth in the infield.
He is only depth at SS.
If Cano goes down, McNeil goes to 2B and JD to 3B.
If McNeil goes down, JD takes his spot
So, Lowrie only really will be used extensively if Rosario goes down and he played in 154 and 157 games the last two years.
Plus, I doubt Lowrie can play SS full time at a high level any more. He is obviously better defensively than JD at 3B. But they have Luis G to be a defensive replacement.
So, yeah, Lowrie is a good guy to have but in no way is he essential even as a backup. Then, if you factor in that he missed almost all of last season with a variety of injuries and he is due to make 11.5 million, you trade him in a heartbeat if anybody wants him.
Then you take that money and sign Betances.
Oooohhh.. Fun.
1.) deGrom
2.) Syndergaard
3.) Stroman
4.) Porcello
5.) Wacha
6.) Familia
7.) Diaz
8.) Brach
9.) Cespedes
10.) Conforto
11.) McNeil
12.) Cano
13.) Alonso
14.) Ramos
15.) Lowrie
Brach was the trickiest!
5m
FWIW, Jeff Wilpon was not at the Winter Meetings this year.
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Lowrie really has no place on this team
disagree, he's the Mets only real depth in the infield.
He is only depth at SS.
If Cano goes down, McNeil goes to 2B and JD to 3B.
If McNeil goes down, JD takes his spot
So, Lowrie only really will be used extensively if Rosario goes down and he played in 154 and 157 games the last two years.
Plus, I doubt Lowrie can play SS full time at a high level any more. He is obviously better defensively than JD at 3B. But they have Luis G to be a defensive replacement.
So, yeah, Lowrie is a good guy to have but in no way is he essential even as a backup. Then, if you factor in that he missed almost all of last season with a variety of injuries and he is due to make 11.5 million, you trade him in a heartbeat if anybody wants him.
Then you take that money and sign Betances.
not certain I want JD playing extensively at 3B. That feeling could change but right now hard pass on that idea.
Also can we not shift McNeil around again like we've been doing, give him 3b full time.
Thats a ton of depth and I guarantee 3 regular everyday players will be out at the same time this coming year, at least once.
Lowrie backs up 3B, SS, and 2B. Dom backs up CO/1B but is also the primary LH bat off the bench. JD backs up CO/3B and is probably starting multiple times a week resting Ces.
Marisnick plays against lefties and comes in late in just about every game with a lead.
Thats a really nice bench. Leave it alone.
That's it.
Im not asking a lot am I? lol
That's it.
Im not asking a lot am I? lol
Betances and Maldonado would be nice.
Those Debt payments are what killed this organization. And they were too stupid to be ahead of the curve in analytics like the Rays.
Without the debt payments though, they almost certainly would be turning a profit.
Cohen can't get here soon enough. We have an incredibly rabid fanbase that will turn out with a winner.
Thats a ton of depth and I guarantee 3 regular everyday players will be out at the same time this coming year, at least once.
Lowrie backs up 3B, SS, and 2B. Dom backs up CO/1B but is also the primary LH bat off the bench. JD backs up CO/3B and is probably starting multiple times a week resting Ces.
Marisnick plays against lefties and comes in late in just about every game with a lead.
Thats a really nice bench. Leave it alone.
1000% agree, the lux tax will cost peanuts vs what they will make in a winning season's revenue.
alot of RP's still available, some can probably be got cheaply or with minor league deals.
Cischek, Joe Smith, Vizcaino, Pat Neshek
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And one defensive backup C that can maybe hit a little.
That's it.
Im not asking a lot am I? lol
Betances and Maldonado would be nice.
Sold.
In 98 PA's for the Astros he went on to post a .781 OPS and on the season he was as usual 1 of the best defensive C's overall (+8 DRS). He made like $3m total last year, so presumably this was a decision over $1m.
Not sure which reliever would have made the most sense, but flash to September 3rd vs. the Nats and a lot of guys could have been the difference in both of those team's trajectories from that moment forward. As could have firing Callaway in June like he should have been.
A lot of "what ifs" from last year unfortunately, and all linked to shit decisions made but our beloved CEO, who fortunately had "prior obligations" instead of attending the WM like usual this year.
Certainly possible, but presumably there's something there if the Astros keep adding him and getting to WS with him. The C position is a complete wasteland.
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guessing but baseball prospectus's catching metrics don't like Maldonado at all and the Mets have hired people from BP since Brodie was hired so I'm guessing they like him less than you'd think.
Certainly possible, but presumably there's something there if the Astros keep adding him and getting to WS with him. The C position is a complete wasteland.
BP's system really, really dislike him.. not saying they or the Mets are right, it's just a theory I have.
Link - ( New Window )
So while his 2019 metrics very well could have been crap, whatever he had accrued by July probably needed to be taken with a grain of salt not only because they were SSS but because he mostly pitched for a new team, with a terrible pitching staff he was new to, and without a ST.
By statcast Maldonado was still top of the league in pop time and arm so whatever regression he had doesn't seem to have been due to a loss of athletic ability which is usually the main concern with aging regression.
So while his 2019 metrics very well could have been crap, whatever he had accrued by July probably needed to be taken with a grain of salt not only because they were SSS but because he mostly pitched for a new team, with a terrible pitching staff he was new to, and without a ST.
By statcast Maldonado was still top of the league in pop time and arm so whatever regression he had doesn't seem to have been due to a loss of athletic ability which is usually the main concern with aging regression.
BP had him 86th in framing runs (which is obviously very bad) and 34th in overall defense (FRAA) for whatever the reason their metrics are very low on him.
Those Debt payments are what killed this organization. And they were too stupid to be ahead of the curve in analytics like the Rays.
Without the debt payments though, they almost certainly would be turning a profit.
Cohen can't get here soon enough. We have an incredibly rabid fanbase that will turn out with a winner.
They didn't. It's an accounting trick. They are not counting the increase in the team's value, just revenue.
Dan, quick question. Do you copy and paste what you put on twitter? Just wondering why some of your posts look like a twitter post and some are normal.
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What does Jacob Stallings cost @Mets? Better hitter than Nido and both @baseballpro and statcorner seem very high on his work behind the plate. No real future in Pittsburgh #Mets
Dan, quick question. Do you copy and paste what you put on twitter? Just wondering why some of your posts look like a twitter post and some are normal.
Only when I use my phone which I’m doing right now with my computer doing some weird error check thing for the past few hours.
Considering he is likely to come cheap I understand getting Aguilar. I just don't think there is much there and he benefitted from playing home games in Milwaukee. Sharp was one of the few names in the Rule 5 Draft I liked this year, but I figured that he would not fall to the Mets even if we had a slot available for him.
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liking what the Marlins have done so far adding Villar, Garcia, Aguilar and Sharp
Considering he is likely to come cheap I understand getting Aguilar. I just don't think there is much there and he benefitted from playing home games in Milwaukee. Sharp was one of the few names in the Rule 5 Draft I liked this year, but I figured that he would not fall to the Mets even if we had a slot available for him.
Aguilar is nothing special but he's going to cost the Marlins pennies and put up a 3.1 fWAR season in 2018, maybe it was a total fluke but for "free" he was a nice add. Villar was a steal and Garcia could be one as well.
@martinonyc
Sources: The Mets have reached an agreement with Yoenis Cespedes to amend his contract and 2020 salary. Still working on details.
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
Yoenis Cespedes and the New York Mets have agreed on an amended contract, a source tells ESPN. While he remains with the team, the settlement significantly lower his salary from the planned $29.5 million.
Do that and swap Dom or JDD for 1 of the Toronto catchers (or another strong defensive catcher) and even with Wheeler leaving I'd consider this offseason a major success. Especially knowing the end of the Wilpon era is near.
@AnthonyDiComo
The reduction in Céspedes' 2020 salary is "significant," a source said. He had been due to make $29.5 million before this restructuring.
@AnthonyDiComo
The reduction in Céspedes' 2020 salary is "significant," a source said. He had been due to make $29.5 million before this restructuring.
Wow, that's huge! Definitely didn't see that happening. That can change a lot going forward.
That would be awesome if they actually spend the money, but I'm too cynical - those fuckers are probably just pocket it. Hopefully I'm wrong...
Jacob Resnick
@Jacob_Resnick
The details on Michael Wacha’s incentives:
He gets a “point” for each start or relief appearance of at least three innings. He will earn $500K at points 10, 14, 18, and 20 and at each additional point through 30.
He would earn $250K for 40, 45, 50, and 55 relief appearances.