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Markus Golden in FA - re-sign or pass?

jcn56 : 12/12/2019 9:37 am

It seems most (I won't say all, and never do) of BBI is trending towards relieving Shurmur (and at the very least, Bettcher) of his duties.

Golden is an AZ carry over, but unlike the others has been highly productive and really the only FA hit I can see in the past two seasons.

The Giants need an edge rusher, but with a change in coaching staff Golden's utility might be limited.

Without knowing right now who steps in for Golden, if you had to guess - are you retaining him or letting him walk? And if you are ready to retain, how far ($$-wise) are you willing to go?

To me this one seems like an underrated key decision for this offseason, and I'm not sure which way to lean. I think he's played very well, but not sure you get the same out of him at DE if the team were to decide to switch back to a 4-3. I also think TB might have some interest in him, and his price might be higher than expected.

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What if he played okay this season just for a big contract

Danny Dimes : 12/12/2019 5:09 pm : link

Then he will go back to the garbage stats he had last year. He is still young though but with Chase Young, Carter and Ximines will get no play time

re-sign or pass?

Torrag : 12/12/2019 5:47 pm : link

It depends on the price.

RE: Pass

WillVAB : 12/12/2019 7:53 pm : link

In comment 14715593 Go Terps said:

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At his current cost he's a nice player. That's as far as it goes.

Agree. He�s created some pressure off the edge but I think he�s a little too undisciplined to be paid like a core player. I don�t like how he sets the edge vs the run. He�s also getting older and has the injury history.

Pass

JoeyBigBlue : 12/12/2019 8:00 pm : link

He�s gonna command way more than he�s worth IMO.

RE: RE: Depends on what�s left after we set aside $18 million

djm : 12/12/2019 8:08 pm : link

In comment 14715594 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14715570 The_Boss said:

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For Leonard Williams.

Excellent point. I�d rather invest in Golden, who has a real niche, than JAG Williams...

Excellent point? It�s the same fucking point being posted on just about every thread and by and large is completely irrelevant here.

4-3 vs 3-4 matters

giantstock : 12/13/2019 2:37 am : link

And as a result if Young is as good as many claim and GMen draft him and in addition GMEN sign LW-- then no you don't need Golden. The pass rush will be strong enough. You need to concern yourself with quick passing teams in which the rush can't do much.

There is a difference with a 4-3 vs 3-4. The 3-4 relies more on quickness. Strong running teams can get their OLinemen on a much smaller LB vs fighting against a DT. Not saying 3-4 is no good. Just that it's easier to push around unless you have at least one stud ILB - if they get a pass rush too.

The Williams vs Golden argument is a crucial one.

BlueLou'sBack : 12/13/2019 4:43 am : link

And I think you might want to study which of them draws more attention from the opponents' OC. I'd bet Williams receives more than Golden, in terms of double team help, etc.

Not sure about that, just a strong hunch. I almost never see Golden double teamed. In fact, leave out the "almost".

Good point that Golden's market value is similar to, not better than, Preston Smith. IMHO.

Ximines and/or Carter might be better pieces at their

BlueLou'sBack : 12/13/2019 4:47 am : link

respective salaries than a 13 mil plus deal for Golden is. His encroachment and lined up in the neutral zone penalties are really fucking stupid and inexcusable. Mental errors, have a tough time tolerating that stupidity.

I'd let him walk and try to get a comp pick

armstead98 : 12/13/2019 8:27 am : link

Unlike others that think we should go on a spending spree of high prices free agents, I don't. Giants should bargain hunt and fill out the roster with depth. Save some cap space for bargain hunting late in the year too.

Let Golden walk and hope to get a 4th for him.

If the nickle is standard w 4 down

idiotsavant : 12/13/2019 9:50 am : link

Linemen, I'm just saying you want 3 of those as in the 300lb variety for nfc east. As we were run on in our 4/2/5.

As opposed to 2/4/5 with two dts and two edge olbs, a 3/3/5 or even 3/2/6 can give you a 4 down nickle plus better run AND in the latter case better pass defense.

So I agree with those who said make Williams priority and resign golden if you also can. Because w Williams your less run liable

Typo

idiotsavant : 12/13/2019 9:52 am : link

Were run on in our 2/4/5 (w 4 down)

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