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Shurmer | "Opinion" Should Miami be his last game?

DavidinBMNY : 12/12/2019 1:18 pm
Shurmer is very likely to lose again. All he does is lose. Losing to both the Dolphins and Jets should be unbearable - even for Mara.

Sure Giants ownership likes to do the right thing and wait, but that's also a sign of their ineptitude.

One bad tell, or mistake , among the many that DG and ownership allowed to happen is on this staff they have no one else that seems able to take over.

Personally I think they should have fired Shurmer weeks ago but before that Bettcher.

I'd fire them both - now. Let Shula take over as interim and manage through the year.

Why wait ? What is the point?
There's little to be gained  
JonC : 12/12/2019 1:20 pm : link
by firing him now, this season is long since shot and they're seeing what they can see from the players.
I don’t see the point in midseason firings  
ron mexico : 12/12/2019 1:20 pm : link
Specifically in this case where there doesn’t seem to be anybody worth elevating.

Doesn’t mean you cant begin the search process behind closed doors
Mara should fire Shurmur  
Diver_Down : 12/12/2019 1:22 pm : link
before the fans learn how to spell his name. It's only been 2 years.
2 Comments  
Biteymax22 : 12/12/2019 1:23 pm : link
Nothing that happens from here on out should have any influence on whether Shurmur stays or goes, he already has 29 games under his belt for the FO to evaluate.

You gain nothing from letting him go right now.
If he hasn't been fired yet, there's nothing to be gained by doing it  
Britt in VA : 12/12/2019 1:23 pm : link
now.

He gets the end of the season, then he's gone.
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BleedBlue : 12/12/2019 1:24 pm : link
no way would i fire him. let him keep coaching, keep evaluating the players. can him after the year.

we gain nothing from doing it now imo.

I think he has the Giants pointed in the right direction  
xman : 12/12/2019 1:24 pm : link
for the draft. Keep him
That's the kind of thing you'd think they'd coordinate behind  
jcn56 : 12/12/2019 1:25 pm : link
closed doors. If they've already decided on letting him go, then preferably they'd approach Shurmur and ask him if he wanted to close out the season. IMO - his chuckle during the last press conference might be a sign he's already confirmed to be toast.

There's nothing to be gained from sacking him now, not as if the remaining game or two allow for any significant adjustments that would prove useful for evaluation. If management wanted to see any specific changes, they could just ask Shurmur for them.
Shurmur won't be fired after the Washington game  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/12/2019 1:25 pm : link
because I don't believe they will want to give him his papers three days before Christmas.

So if it happens, it will either be after Sunday or after the game on the 29th.

Given the options, if they lose to Miami, you may as well just put him out of his misery after the game. Why hold a charade where 90% of the questions he will be asked from the moment that game is over until December 29 will be about his job security?
RE: Mara should fire Shurmur  
DavidinBMNY : 12/12/2019 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14716096 Diver_Down said:
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before the fans learn how to spell his name. It's only been 2 years.
He's not memorable enough to spell his name correctly.

He's like Mr. Cellophane from "Chicago"
RE: I think he has the Giants pointed in the right direction  
Diver_Down : 12/12/2019 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14716106 xman said:
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for the draft. Keep him


For the record, him is referring to Shurmur or Bettcher? Either way you answer, you aren't wrong.
Let him stay  
JerryNicklebag : 12/12/2019 1:27 pm : link
till the end of the year.

No need for the team to get an unnecessary win now. Let the chase for Chase continue.
Yeah...  
Chris in Philly : 12/12/2019 1:28 pm : link
We fire him and now the players regain some pride and go out and win a game or two. Pass. We're this far in for a 1 or 2 pick, don't ruin it now...
How long have you been following this team?  
ghost718 : 12/12/2019 1:30 pm : link
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baller move  
giantfan2000 : 12/12/2019 1:30 pm : link
would be to fire Shurmur and hire Rivera immediately
Shurmur shouldn't be fired...  
BamaBlue : 12/12/2019 1:31 pm : link
he's become the Giants best hope for the #1 draft pick!
Why fire someone in cold blooded fashion  
djm : 12/12/2019 1:34 pm : link
Unless it leads to something better? I get firing mcadoo midseason because that went beyond wins and losses the locker room was toxic. This is just a situation where shurmur is a bad HC who doesn’t win. Firing him now does absolutely nothing other than embarrass shurmur and everyone associated with the team. Unless firing him now enables the giants to get a head start on finding other candidates I don’t see the point. You’ll get your pound of flesh soon enough.
RE: Yeah...  
Festina Lente : 12/12/2019 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14716119 Chris in Philly said:
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We fire him and now the players regain some pride and go out and win a game or two. Pass. We're this far in for a 1 or 2 pick, don't ruin it now...


Lol. I think they'd lose out either way tbh.
But there is absoluely no point in firing him now. We all know he is gone in the off season. The real issue is if the owners have the balls to fire the guy above him who is ultimately responsible for much of this current mess.
Shurmur Will Be Fired at the End of the Season  
Jim in Tampa : 12/12/2019 1:34 pm : link
There's absolutely nothing to be gained by firing him after this week with just two games to go.

It seems the only reason fans want it done now is so that they can have their pound of flesh.
RE: Why fire someone in cold blooded fashion  
Festina Lente : 12/12/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14716134 djm said:
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Unless it leads to something better? I get firing mcadoo midseason because that went beyond wins and losses the locker room was toxic. This is just a situation where shurmur is a bad HC who doesn’t win. Firing him now does absolutely nothing other than embarrass shurmur and everyone associated with the team. Unless firing him now enables the giants to get a head start on finding other candidates I don’t see the point. You’ll get your pound of flesh soon enough.


This is well put. There are no illusions that he will be retained. Best to do it with class and calm.
Giants need to lose out to the end of season  
Steve in ATL : 12/12/2019 1:36 pm : link
Fire Shurmer after achiving that goal. There is noboby more qualified to insure a loss.
We will win  
Carl in CT : 12/12/2019 1:37 pm : link
Easy this week. Bank on it.
I say  
cjac : 12/12/2019 1:41 pm : link
let him continue to show what a clueless loser of a head coach he is.
RE: Mara should fire Shurmur  
figgy2989 : 12/12/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14716096 Diver_Down said:
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before the fans learn how to spell his name. It's only been 2 years.


This
I'd agree, but  
phil in arizona : 12/12/2019 1:44 pm : link
his assistants are so bad that there really isn't a good interim candidate.

RE: RE: Why fire someone in cold blooded fashion  
Reale01 : 12/12/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14716138 Festina Lente said:
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In comment 14716134 djm said:


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Unless it leads to something better? I get firing mcadoo midseason because that went beyond wins and losses the locker room was toxic. This is just a situation where shurmur is a bad HC who doesn’t win. Firing him now does absolutely nothing other than embarrass shurmur and everyone associated with the team. Unless firing him now enables the giants to get a head start on finding other candidates I don’t see the point. You’ll get your pound of flesh soon enough.



This is well put. There are no illusions that he will be retained. Best to do it with class and calm.


Agree - wait until end of year. The team seems to respect him and most are still playing hard. They have stayed together despite the horrible record.
RE: We will win  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/12/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14716143 Carl in CT said:
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Easy this week. Bank on it.


They may win, but easy? The Dolphins beat the Eagles, who after making halftime adjustments scored 20 unanswered points against these losers. I'm thinking Fitzgerald is licking his chops to throw against these corners.

The only things the Giants have going for them is the weather and Devante Parker being out.
Mara should Fire  
djstat : 12/12/2019 1:53 pm : link
Chris Mara and then himself
Meanwhile in the NHL  
Scooter185 : 12/12/2019 1:59 pm : link
HCs are dropping like flies lol

I don't see much of a point in booting PS now, and doing so would only be to appease the fanbase.
Fire them both now  
Go Terps : 12/12/2019 2:39 pm : link
Restructuring should already be occurring.
you fire him now  
BigBlueCane : 12/12/2019 2:48 pm : link
so you can begin interviewing and considering new head coaching candidates.

Unless of course they've already decided on who that will be.
The sooner we fire  
Tim in VA : 12/12/2019 2:48 pm : link
The sooner we can begin searching and negotiating for his replacement. Redskins already have a head start, they could interview today. In that regard, keeping Shurmer on is impeding our search.
why would you shake things up  
cactus : 12/12/2019 3:31 pm : link
they might actually win a game and hurt their draft position
Hope Not  
WillVAB : 12/12/2019 3:43 pm : link
Giants need the highest draft position possible and Shurmur helps secure that.
RE: How long have you been following this team?  
DavidinBMNY : 12/12/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14716122 ghost718 said:
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Did they or did they not can McAdoo before the end of the year? Since the 80's. How long have you been following them?
RE: Giants need to lose out to the end of season  
DavidinBMNY : 12/12/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14716141 Steve in ATL said:
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Fire Shurmer after achiving that goal. There is noboby more qualified to insure a loss.
Nice!
RE: There's little to be gained  
Adirondack GMen : 12/12/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14716083 JonC said:
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by firing him now, this season is long since shot and they're seeing what they can see from the players.

The very least would be to force him to turn over play calling to Shula
There is no reason to fire him before the end of the season  
Jay on the Island : 12/12/2019 8:18 pm : link
Let him remain in place to help ensure that we land a top 2 pick. Unless the Giants are set on Ron Rivera they will have to wait until the end of the season to hire their next HC anyway and nobody on the staff appears to be a potential future HC candidate.
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