this season. Not once. Now, I know he has been hurt but, even still, that, to me, is an incredible stat and a complete indictment of Pat Shurmur.
I was listening to Charlie Weis this morning on Sirius and he was talking about LeVeon Bell and how he would pound the ball over and over with Bell tonight, not to mention the passing game. Now Charlie comes from the Parcells factory...where running the ball and the rushing attempts were always a huge factor. Charlie still believes that way and so do I.
I don't care who you are in the NFL but if you do not run the ball effectively and attempt to run the ball you will go nowhere. One could easily make the argument that Dallas' issues are the fact they are not relying enough on Elliott.
Barkley is our best player...it is not even close...to not use him to the fullest extent possible is a complete failure of our offensive coaching staff. As Weis said this morning, even rushing attempts force the defense to respect the run...even if you are not making big yardage. With that, you can then use play action passes etc.
Look, I know the NFL has changed but, in many cases, it has not. Running the ball is still a prerequisite to being a successful offensive team. When the Rams took the NFL by storm three years ago it was because they were pounding the ball with Gurley. Seattle did that with Lynch and still runs the ball a lot. Heck, you could easily argue that you can get away with a game manager at QB if you are able to pound the ball. Not to mention the fact it takes time off the clock and wears a defense down.
This is the issue, to me, I simply do not understand with Shurmur. Pound the ball...use a jumbo formation since we cannot seem to find a TE who can block. Pound it and pound it and pound it. This is the NorthEast, that is Giants football. To me, it is the biggest reason why he MUST be fired. USE our best player for God's sake...get him involved in the passing game, screens, swing passes...but get him the ball. Good grief...this is not that difficult.
I think Saquon was frankly an awful pick, but they’re stuck with him now. Have to hope he comes back healthy in a better situation next year and contributes something. For now I hope he’s used minimally, hell I’d be happy if they shut him down.
Wow.
2) shurmur is a pass first guy from a west coast kind of a background
3) the giants get behind early and often, and, just like his mentor andy reid used to do, he is quick to abandon the run
all of these are reasons why he will be fired, and are probably reasons why he never should have been hired in the first place
granted all the other candidates the giants were pursuing turned them down for other jobs, but still. even gettleman himself would be a better coach or playcaller than what shurmur has shown
Now we have potential health issues; and SB showing some signs of being gun shy with all of his dancing around instead of running down hill.
he was offensive rookie of the year last year.
i understand being frustrated at his regression this year (likely at least partially related to the high ankle sprain he rushed back from), but the entire team has regressed this year.
Besides, SB is not that type of back, never has been and likely never will. Not a great pick at #2, more of a Reggie Bush type player than Lynch or EE
2) Shurmur is clueless
3) Halapio and Solder stink. Middle and left don't hold ground. Zeitler has been hurt, Remmers meh
4) no TE or FB that can block to help the OL.
4) Barkley has been hurt.
5) as Greg said, they are often trailing
This pick is turning into a bust.
2) Shurmur is clueless
3) Halapio and Solder stink. Middle and left don't hold ground. Zeitler has been hurt, Remmers meh
4) no TE or FB that can block to help the OL.
4) Barkley has been hurt.
5) as Greg said, they are often trailing
I think you mean the first response to the op, right?
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1) they have no identity, no clue what they want to be. YOu could see it last year when SB had 130 yds in the first half agianst PHI, then had 2 touches in the 2nd half.
2) Shurmur is clueless
3) Halapio and Solder stink. Middle and left don't hold ground. Zeitler has been hurt, Remmers meh
4) no TE or FB that can block to help the OL.
4) Barkley has been hurt.
5) as Greg said, they are often trailing
I think you mean the first response to the op, right?
yes Britt. My screwup
Last year SB had a lot of big runs bouncing to the outside; but this year PS hasn't found any way to get SB the ball "in space". No screens, no sweeps, no pulling guards, nothing. Just that same damn vanilla play of SB up middle for 2 or 3 or for a loss of a couple if the OL messes up. It's not SB's fault if he's not used properly or enough.
He's different than most backs in the league.
This is such a bad take, but then again outside of your perspective on some Giants history, a lot of your takes are bad and sometimes even misguided. What is there to "deal with"? He is not single handedly responsible for any of these losses, but even still, I can't even fathom what it is you think he could do differently to single handedly save the team.
Now we have potential health issues; and SB showing some signs of being gun shy with all of his dancing around instead of running down hill.
I used to think there was a pitch count for Saquon. Now I think its clear that PS has no idea how to use him and never wants to use him 30 times in a game. What he doesn't understand there are going to be times when he only totes the rock 15 times because of how the game is going. Shit averages out and he acts like Saquon will break in half if he crosses the 25 carry threshold.
Bigger indictment on Hal Hunter. Shula develops the passing game plan. Hunter develops the rushing game plan. Shurmur somehow meshes them together and proceeds to lose. We have been witness time and again where Barkley does well in the first half and then seemingly Shurmur forgets that SB is on the team. Perhaps, he never got the 2nd page from Hal?
I know there are a lot of opinions in Giants country about Saquon, but he is definitely not worthless. It's the lousy OL and how he's being used IMO.
Yup. Look at the teams that are winning;
Baltimore
Seattle
San Fran
Minnesota
Green Bay
Running the ball
Terrible pick in that situation. DG needs to fired for it.
A breakdown:
-15 3rd down catches that came up short of the first down, including 9 on 3rd-and-11+
-12 for no gain or negative yards
-14 gained 1-3 yards
Those are not WR numbers.
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Saquon had 91 receptions last year. 91! Those are WR numbers.
A breakdown:
-15 3rd down catches that came up short of the first down, including 9 on 3rd-and-11+
-12 for no gain or negative yards
-14 gained 1-3 yards
Those are not WR numbers.
Sterling Sheppard last year:
66 receptions for 872 yards 4 TD's
Saquon Barkley last year:
91 receptions for 721 yards 4 TD's
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Saquon had 91 receptions last year. 91! Those are WR numbers.
A breakdown:
-15 3rd down catches that came up short of the first down, including 9 on 3rd-and-11+
-12 for no gain or negative yards
-14 gained 1-3 yards
Those are not WR numbers.
Sterling Sheppard last year:
66 receptions for 872 yards 4 TD's
Saquon Barkley last year:
91 receptions for 721 yards 4 TD's
Are you trying to convince me that Sterling Shepard is kind of an ordinary WR that can outgain a RB by 150 yards with 25 fewer touches?
Good work?
So what? Add up all those dumpoffs for little to no gain and he still looks to have matched Sheppard's production.
He shouldn't be penalized for that, he's not a WR.
And he was largely ineffective in those receptions. He was 16th amongst RBs in YPC. The number of receptions was a function of defenses bring happy to allow Eli to check down.
The Barkley pick has been a completely disaster.
That's brutally inefficient passing.
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Saquon had 91 receptions last year. 91! Those are WR numbers.
And he was largely ineffective in those receptions. He was 16th amongst RBs in YPC. The number of receptions was a function of defenses bring happy to allow Eli to check down.
The Barkley pick has been a completely disaster.
Even worse, he was 41st out of 47 qualifying RBs last year in rushing efficiency. This year he is dead last in the department.
I few days ago, I posted a pre-draft article about him. He was the same in college, his rushing efficiency was terrible. What's more, PSU only ran him 16.7 times per game. In other words, he was used the same in college as he is here. And the results are the same. Go figure.
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Saquon had 91 receptions last year. 91! Those are WR numbers.
And he was largely ineffective in those receptions. He was 16th amongst RBs in YPC. The number of receptions was a function of defenses bring happy to allow Eli to check down.
The Barkley pick has been a completely disaster.
More so than anything else that they have done, the Barkley pick has been the biggest disappointment and failure of this regime. Squandering the second selection in that draft on a non-impact player has just been devastating for a team that is totally devoid at talent everywhere on the field.
Here's the number of carries Saquon should be getting right now: 0
That high ankle isn't healed, it didn't get a chance to fully heal, and now on a weekly basis it's getting stressed, so probably not going to fully heal until the offseason, and GOD HELP this team and Shurmur if he re-injures it to the point of needing surgery.
The indictment of Shurmur was allowing Saquon to play 4 weeks later. Every time you seem him try to make an explosive cut off his right ankle, he has trouble and sometimes stumbles.
I haven't seen the stats, but I wonder if they are running him to the right side more knowing this.
He should've been sat until he was 100%. This team would've been better off at the position with a fully healthy Gallman. This one issue is probably the biggest point in favor of firing Pat Shurmur, who should know better than to not protect his players from themselves.
Wtf can we still not run a decent screen pass? The last 10 years, we were told Eli doesn’t throw the screen well. He doesn’t, that’s true, but Jones wasn’t exactly dazzling them with screens to Barkley either.
You can see what kind of attention he gets as a decoy when we do the stupid end around crap with Shepherd.
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Saquon had 91 receptions last year. 91! Those are WR numbers.
And he was largely ineffective in those receptions. He was 16th amongst RBs in YPC. The number of receptions was a function of defenses bring happy to allow Eli to check down.
The Barkley pick has been a completely disaster.
Well of course the entire 11 man defense is pressed up on the line of scrimmage knowing full well that Cpt. Check Down was running the show last year.
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Saquon had 91 receptions last year. 91! Those are WR numbers.
And he was largely ineffective in those receptions. He was 16th amongst RBs in YPC. The number of receptions was a function of defenses bring happy to allow Eli to check down.
The Barkley pick has been a completely disaster.
Agreed, what is largely not understood on this forum is that Barkley could be a great player and still be a terrible pick. To justify the spot where he was drafted, he needed to change the entire dynamic of the Giants rushing attack himself. He hasn't done that.
The excuses of he doesn't have an oline, or he doesn't have the qb to check into the right pick are bogus. Those are exactly reasons why you never start a rebuild or a build of any type with a rb, because they are so dependent on other positions on the field. It was the wrong pick at the wrong time.
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Saquon had 91 receptions last year. 91! Those are WR numbers.
And he was largely ineffective in those receptions. He was 16th amongst RBs in YPC. The number of receptions was a function of defenses bring happy to allow Eli to check down.
The Barkley pick has been a completely disaster.
Agreed, what is largely not understood on this forum is that Barkley could be a great player and still be a terrible pick. To justify the spot where he was drafted, he needed to change the entire dynamic of the Giants rushing attack himself. He hasn't done that.
The excuses of he doesn't have an oline, or he doesn't have the qb to check into the right pick are bogus. Those are exactly reasons why you never start a rebuild or a build of any type with a rb, because they are so dependent on other positions on the field. It was the wrong pick at the wrong time.
And what player would have changed it all? Darnold? Chubb? Nelson?
That single pick would have changed our fortunes in some profound way as long as it wasn't Barkley?
We had holes EVERYWHERE. It's not going to kill you to take the BPA there.