We’ve seen plenty of phenoms over the years, but through 14 games, Lamar Jackson is over 1,100 yards rushing (and nearly 7ypc), 7 rushing. TDs, and 33 passing TDs. At age 22. Trying to think of a comparably dominant offensive season ....
Who knows how long he’ll last, but this is pretty spectacular. I remember scoffing after he got beat by the Chargers ... guess I got that one wrong.
This is one of those moments where if you love the rich history of football, you just sit back and savor — Gayle Sayers in the flesh.
He's a really good skill position player who can also throw really well.
I see much more Vick and virtually no RG3 in him.
It still feels like a surprise to me b/c he was drafted low and was a limited passer when he took over for Flacco last year ...
I wonder what the highest YPC is for a guy over 1,100 yards?
It still feels like a surprise to me b/c he was drafted low and was a limited passer when he took over for Flacco last year ...
I wonder what the highest YPC is for a guy over 1,100 yards?
LJax broke Vick's record tonight for rushing yards by a QB. LJax is averaging about 6.9 YPC. Just brilliant.
Vick's average when he set this mark? 8.4.
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It still feels like a surprise to me b/c he was drafted low and was a limited passer when he took over for Flacco last year ...
I wonder what the highest YPC is for a guy over 1,100 yards?
LJax broke Vick's record tonight for rushing yards by a QB. LJax is averaging about 6.9 YPC. Just brilliant.
Vick's average when he set this mark? 8.4.
He accounted for a crazy 119 TDs in three seasons at Louisville. As of tonight, he’s accounted for 39 TDs in 14 games ... keeping pace!
I suspect Mark Andrews and Hollywood Brown are gonna be household names by this time next year.
He'll rewrite the record books for a while. Don't want to be a downer, but his game is based upon speed and extraordinary athleticism. That erodes with time, even if he avoids serious injury. Be we all know that's the running QB's bugaboo, even the incredibly talented. Hope he can be the exception.
And lest we forget, it's a team sport, and the Ravens are pretty damn good team that is surrounding his talent.
I did not think he would develop to this level of accuracy. I was wrong on him in that respect. Was not a believer. My other thing with him was will he still be good when the speed goes and he has to play from the pocket. I now think that is a good possibility. Right now he's the biggest nightmare match up in the NFL and maybe in sports.
He still has to prove he can win playoff football. From what I've seen, my doubts have been proven wrong on him thus far, I wouldn't bet against him now.
It seems like he's got the mind of an elite point guard... just upper tier spatial awareness. Like he not only knows where everyone currently is, but where everyone is about to be when he runs.
I suspect Mark Andrews and Hollywood Brown are gonna be household names by this time next year.
It's a three TE monster - with Hurst and Boyle, too. They are all huge targets in the passing game and they are capable blockers. Boyle is a monster on the blocks. Can annihilate people.
It was Go Terps, who is almost always right, which really pisses a lot of people off, which in turn is really funny to observe.
I certainly remember Vick being extremely electric, especially because he came before Lamar and at that time we had never seen a QB anywhere close to as fast as that, and it was like 15 years ago so the entire game was slightly slower than it is today (hence making Vick look even faster).
BUT... here's the thing:
I just remember Vick being a much more volatile and borderline "out of control" player, while with Lamar it's so captivating to watch him harness his "electricity" with this almost diabolical focus, perfect control, and masterful grasp of his arsenal of abilities at all times.
Lamar knows just when to let Ingram take it (on the option I mean), when to pull it and run, when to stay in the pocket and simply navigate the rush, when to leave the pocket, what move to make to extend the play, where to go with the ball, what kind of touch to put on the ball, etc. He just utilizes his incredible abilities and skill-set in a way that almost seems so carefully and exactly executed, yet overwhelmingly electric at the same time.
Vick, on the other hand, as amazing as he was-- would seem to just scramble immediately, oftentimes without even looking downfield, causing him to sometimes break off big plays while other times taking big losses, he would run from one side of the field all the way to the other and we would all say WOW, and then he'd chuck the ball 80 yards downfield with a perfect spiral for a TD bomb, and the next drive he'd come out and throw it right over his receiver's head into an awaiting defender's hands.
Vick was a spectacular player and very fun to watch (especially at that time), but the fact that Lamar is as electric as he is yet also so efficient is what makes him even more fun to watch. And by "efficient" I certainly don't just mean that in a "game manager" type of way, I mean he's one of the most efficient QBs I've ever seen and he's efficiency is so lethal that that alone makes him a superstar even before he gets you any rushing yards. He threw the ball 23 times tonight and 5 of them were TDs, and almost the same thing 4 weeks ago he threw it 20 times and 5 of them were TDs. I think the 4 highest single-game QBRs by a QB this season are ALL Lamar Jackson performances, which makes sense when you have multiple games where 25% of your throws are TD passes.
I'm no NFL coach, but one thing I do know is one of the biggest differences between bad teams and good teams, good teams and great teams, is their ability to score 7 in the redzone instead of 3. Hence why Tom Coughlin called it "the green zone" because it's where you make your money. The ability of Lamar to know exactly where to go with the football and accurately fit it into tight traffic with bodies all over the place in a compressed area at the goal line is a HUGE part of why he's so special and why the Ravens are 11-2 right now.
He took a good lick today. He's a little too fearless in the middle of the field, someone is going to get him eventually.
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Philly. He can do what Wentz can, but better and healthier.
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Philly. He can do what Wentz can, but better and healthier.
His mother being an agent would have turned you off I’d bet.
Still has time to evolve as a passer from the pocket even he if gets injured and loses some of his mobility. I think he and Baltimore may face more of a challenge in the playoffs and next year when teams have the chance to study/counter their scheme.
More teams likely to try this style of QB in the future but this will prove extremely difficult as he is so unique.
There were a few other threads mentioning Jackson in broader context.
Harbaugh actually looked a bit taken back from the question and then decided to just smirk and responded with something like "Oh, I think we'll be fine on offense."
Nice job by him and his staff to put up a juggernaught squad and playbook this year...
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was his big advocate in the draft and said we should trade up to the end of Round 1? He was pretty right..
It was Go Terps, who is almost always right, which really pisses a lot of people off, which in turn is really funny to observe.
I do get a kick out of people who swear up and down at him, even after he's proven right. Its like a double down on stupid. I don't agree with Terps all the time, but I respect what he puts out there.
I think the point is - take your fan emotion out of the game and look at it like an outside analyst. What do you see? Everyone is clouded by fandom and optimism. Which doesn't work in the real world.
Hope is not a strategy.
Indeed, I heard a rumor Gettleman renounced him three times before midnight.
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Philly. He can do what Wentz can, but better and healthier.
Good thing for Seattle you're not their GM either because you would have let Wilson walk after his rookie contract.
Serious question... Where are we today? Right now? Better record? The same? Genuinely curious.
Because on that thread, I saw Go Terps say he would take Barkley at two, which is now viewed as a monumental disaster, and then trade back up for Lamar Jackson, which was very doable for us. We just wouldn't have Will Hernandez.
So knowing all that, where are the Giants today with Barkley and Jackson, hypothetically?
Often he's not even making cuts, he's just turning his shoulders, opening his hips to slightly change the angle and at the speed he's moving tacklers can't get a bead on him.
Serious question... Where are we today? Right now? Better record? The same? Genuinely curious.
Because on that thread, I saw Go Terps say he would take Barkley at two, which is now viewed as a monumental disaster, and then trade back up for Lamar Jackson, which was very doable for us. We just wouldn't have Will Hernandez.
Hypothetically speaking we would probably have a couple more wins but still have a shitty defense and not in the playoff hunt...i’O
He’s only 22 too — younger than Joe Burrrow!
Thank god the Patriots took Sony Michel and not Lamar Jackson. One of my few NFL joys these days is seeing just a few cracks in their machine. I can only imagine what McDaniels and co. could have done with him.
I saw Lamar Jackson play a ton at Louisville. People won't like to hear it on this circlejerk of a thread but there are cracks in Lamars game. He still misses a ton of wide open throws. This Ravens team has more guys running wide open than I have ever seen in NFL football ever. It looks like fucking vintage USC vs little sisters of the poor half the time out there. ThE Ravens seems to have ten opportunities a game like this while other teams get one or two. Its insane. Once the NFL adjusts to Greg Roman and Lamar, Lamar is going to need to step it up as a passer still. Probably won't happen because development of being a pocket passer takes years. I look forward to a Billy B Ravens rematch.
Good point, the giants would probably try to turn him into a pocket passer, or not be capable of instituting an O centered around his abilities.
Serious question... Where are we today? Right now? Better record? The same? Genuinely curious.
Because on that thread, I saw Go Terps say he would take Barkley at two, which is now viewed as a monumental disaster, and then trade back up for Lamar Jackson, which was very doable for us. We just wouldn't have Will Hernandez.
In order for Jackson to be even remotely as successful, the Giants would need to...
- Go all-in on an offense centered around Jackson's strengths
- Improve the offensive line damn near infinitely beyond what it is now. (Only one Giants OL could start in Baltimore)
- Need a head coach who's infinitely better than the one the Giants have
- Need a offensive coordinator with experience calling an offense centered around this type of player
- Need an almost infinite improvement defensively. (Baltimore is somewhere between the 3rd and 10th best defense in the sport over the past 2 seasons based on regular stats and analytics like fo.com)
Basically, IMO, the Giants would be 0% better with Jackson and likely wouldn't be getting the most out of his ability. As much as some people would like to pretend, Jackson isn't playing in a vacuum independent of any outside factors.
I love these call back links -you can actually see who knew wtf they were talking about and who clearly did not. Thank you
Newsome took the risk to draft him. And then Harbaugh and Roman went into the lab to build an offense that fit his game and style.
None of those resources existed at Jints Central. Zero.
It would be extremely cool to be a Ravens fan right now. Not only is your team great, but you’d have the satisfaction of knowing that they outsmarted the league (by building the offense around him) — plus the anticipation of maybe being the one who knocks the Pats off.
Newsome took the risk to draft him. And then Harbaugh and Roman went into the lab to build an offense that fit his game and style.
None of those resources existed at Jints Central. Zero.
Well said.
Newsome took the risk to draft him. And then Harbaugh and Roman went into the lab to build an offense that fit his game and style.
None of those resources existed at Jints Central. Zero.
Maybe we can poach some Ravens front office folks this year?
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pretty damn good chance we would be in the same sinking boat...
Good point, the giants would probably try to turn him into a pocket passer, or not be capable of instituting an O centered around his abilities.
Maybe a 3 year apprenticeship at special teams gunner?
Newsome took the risk to draft him. And then Harbaugh and Roman went into the lab to build an offense that fit his game and style.
None of those resources existed at Jints Central. Zero.
Interesting post season interview from Ravens owner prior to the 2018 draft when they took Jackson:
For the first time publicly, he also acknowledged that he gave consideration to firing Super Bowl-winning head coach John Harbaugh after the Ravens missed the playoffs for the third consecutive season and the fourth time in five years.
“Certainly, it was a thought,” Bisciotti said early in his postseason news conference at the Under Armour Performance Center. “I was very proud of the way John kept fighting, held the team together when we were losing in the middle of the year. … We didn’t perform very well in the middle of the year. I was proud of the way we fought back as a team.”
Firing Harbaugh “was certainly a consideration, but not one that I was inclined to make this year,” Bisciotti added.
So prior to the 2018 draft, it was announced that Harbaugh was on the hot seat and basically better make the playoffs or else. It was also announced that Eric DeCosta, longtime Ravens scout turned Director of College Scouting turned assistant General Manager under Newsome would replace Newsome after the 2018 season regardless of what happened.
The Ravens Way?
Also of note from the same PC:
There’s been plenty said and written this offseason about the Ravens planning for life after Flacco, who just turned 33, and possibly using their first-round draft pick in April on a quarterback. However, Bisciotti said: “That’s not really something that we’re worried about right now. We’ve got bigger fish to fry. … We’re a long way off to have to worry about Joe.”
Bisciotti indicated that the offseason focus will be on getting Flacco help on offense in both free agency and the draft. The owner said much of the team’s organizational meetings at his Jupiter, Fla., home last month were spent exploring ways to add offensive playmakers.
All in for Joe?
“We’ve gone through four offensive coordinators in the last five years, and Joe was comfortable with his relationship with Marty and they produced in the second half of the year,” the owner said. “So John wanted to keep him.”
Loyal to a fault?
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There was no crazy innovation. No hot young candidate of GM/HC neccessary. They just stayed the course, kept Harbaugh for stability and continuity, and promoted their next GM from within.
The big difference is that the Ravens in 2018 were nearly in as bad shape roster wise as the Giants heading into 2018 as the jumping off point. The Ravens got it turned around and we didn't....
Also recall when rumors that Harbaugh was maybe on his way out of the Ravens that certain posters on here indicated Giants should jump on him...
Also recall when rumors that Harbaugh was maybe on his way out of the Ravens that certain posters on here indicated Giants should jump on him...
Yes, I remember. I was one of them.
It's amazing to think how different things could have been had Biscotti "cleaned house".
Staying the course and continuity should be the goal of every organization because it means you're doing enough good things to stick with it. But you have to get the right guy first. I was like a dog waiting for a bone when the rumors were going around that Harbaugh might shake loose after 2017 but for good reason it didn't happen.
We had the right guy for all those years with Coughlin it was just that age started to become a factor. Parting ways with him when we did was not the problem. The 2 guys we've hired since are.
This is a really big hire. We need a 10+ year type of guy. It's possible that could be a college guy like Rhule or the next big coordinator like Richard but I have a feeling they are going to focus on Rivera, Garrett or McCarthy although I'm not sure they'd be as sold on MM because of the McAdoo connection.
Good save. I was just about to post, "What?!"
Ravens were better at o-line, defense (as a whole), and head coach.
The Giants might be the worst in the NFL in ALL three areas.
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underestimated how good Harbaugh may be as a coach, and overestimated how good Flacco is at QB.
Also recall when rumors that Harbaugh was maybe on his way out of the Ravens that certain posters on here indicated Giants should jump on him...
Yes, I remember. I was one of them.
Yah! So was I...
Also recall when rumors that Harbaugh was maybe on his way out of the Ravens that certain posters on here indicated Giants should jump on him...
Isn't that 90 percent of posters? Harbaugh is an excellent coach, not exactly a stretch to say we should hire him.
umm...not so much actually
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underestimated how good Harbaugh may be as a coach, and overestimated how good Flacco is at QB.
Also recall when rumors that Harbaugh was maybe on his way out of the Ravens that certain posters on here indicated Giants should jump on him...
Isn't that 90 percent of posters? Harbaugh is an excellent coach, not exactly a stretch to say we should hire him.
you'd be surprised...
Promoting their GM from within.
What am I missing?
On the Ravens, yeah.
Promoting their GM from within.
What am I missing?
Add keeping their franchise QB on the roster....
There was no crazy innovation. No hot young candidate of GM/HC neccessary. They just stayed the course, kept Harbaugh for stability and continuity, and promoted their next GM from within.
The big difference is that the Ravens in 2018 were nearly in as bad shape roster wise as the Giants heading into 2018 as the jumping off point. The Ravens got it turned around and we didn't....
Are you high?
Are you suggesting the Roman and Harbaugh didn’t completely revamp their offense to fit LJax’s game?
The Ravens under Harbaugh have had ONE losing season in twelve years as HC. They have been considerably more stable than our house on stilts. They had one similar problem - they held on to a failing QB too long. That’s the only comparison.
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you could easily attribute all of the bullet points to being nearly identical to the way the Giants conduct business.
There was no crazy innovation. No hot young candidate of GM/HC neccessary. They just stayed the course, kept Harbaugh for stability and continuity, and promoted their next GM from within.
The big difference is that the Ravens in 2018 were nearly in as bad shape roster wise as the Giants heading into 2018 as the jumping off point. The Ravens got it turned around and we didn't....
Are you high?
Are you suggesting the Roman and Harbaugh didn’t completely revamp their offense to fit LJax’s game?
The Ravens under Harbaugh have had ONE losing season in twelve years as HC. They have been considerably more stable than our house on stilts. They had one similar problem - they held on to a failing QB too long. That’s the only comparison.
Don't deflect. I'm not talking about what they're doing now. It's amazing. Incredible job by Harbaugh and Roman.
I'm talking about how they go there/here.
If I replaced the key players in that PC with the names Mara, Reese, Gettleman, and Eli....
It would have been a Giants Way press conference to the letter of the law. All the things you rail against.
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Letting him keep his coordinators.
Promoting their GM from within.
What am I missing?
Add keeping their franchise QB on the roster....
my point was the Ravens have been far more successful from a winning % standpoint over the past several years so challenging how they run their business versus the Giants would be a brave comparison...
If Jackson was on a team with Barkley, he would be even more effective. Jackson makes Gus Edwards (rookie FA in 2018) average 5.2 YPC in his 2 year career. Barkley would bust through these holes Jackson creates for long run after long run.
Keep the 2.
KWALL2 : 2/2/2018 1:34 pm : link
Draft Barkley.
Trade up for Jackson.
Run the spread.
Score lots of points.
All you have to do is run the spread you see in high schools now. It doesn’t take a coaching genius to make this call. Adapt to the player.
Barkley and Jackson together would put up more point and be a much tougher team to defend then Jackson with Ingram/Edwards.
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Letting him keep his coordinators.
Promoting their GM from within.
What am I missing?
Add keeping their franchise QB on the roster....
my point was the Ravens have been far more successful from a winning % standpoint over the past several years so challenging how they run their business versus the Giants would be a brave comparison...
They have been more successful at drafting and providing talent. That's the difference. Ozzie Newsome didn't get fired for poor drafting at the end of 2017 like our GM did. He had kept the cupboard stocked.
However, the Ravens were at a crossroads at the start of 2018. They didn't blow it all up, they stayed the course. The Giants... ahem, Ravens Way.
If Jackson was on a team with Barkley, he would be even more effective. Jackson makes Gus Edwards (rookie FA in 2018) average 5.2 YPC in his 2 year career. Barkley would bust through these holes Jackson creates for long run after long run.
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Keep the 2.
KWALL2 : 2/2/2018 1:34 pm : link
Draft Barkley.
Trade up for Jackson.
Run the spread.
Score lots of points.
All you have to do is run the spread you see in high schools now. It doesn’t take a coaching genius to make this call. Adapt to the player.
Barkley and Jackson together would put up more point and be a much tougher team to defend then Jackson with Ingram/Edwards.
"Monumental disaster" is a direct quote.
You overstate how unstable they were, and understate what a real abyss Giants were in...
You overstate how unstable they were, and understate what a real abyss Giants were in...
At what point do you just get tired of dropping truth bombs? I don't understand how people can't see the trainwreck this franchise has been in.
And he'd also still have a job, like Newsome did.
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they made their adjustments and moved along merrily.
You overstate how unstable they were, and understate what a real abyss Giants were in...
At what point do you just get tired of dropping truth bombs? I don't understand how people can't see the trainwreck this franchise has been in.
its the cross I have to bear as an objective poster...
:-)
The monumental disaster was the team building around Barkley. He was an MVP type player in year 1. Not close to a disaster despite the current state of the team.
its a talent issue in the office and as a result on the field...
The monumental disaster was the team building around Barkley. He was an MVP type player in year 1. Not close to a disaster despite the current state of the team.
Agreed.
And he'd also still have a job, like Newsome did.
um...so what? And if someone put some shinewax on Tyree's helmet we would have one less Super Bowl trophy.
Giants wouldn't know how to use Jackson. They don't even know how to use Saquon.
Remind me - what did Eli Manning do in his first playoff game?
whoa...doesn't matter at all?
Yes, everybody likes playoff success but you gotta' get there first...
He will be the MVP this year.
He is not RGIII.
He will stay in the top tier of QBs for his entire career.
I said at the time of the 18 draft he would be the beat QB in that class. Now I say he will annually be in the running for MVP of the league. BBI can say I'm living in the moment, and I say you doubters are haters. Strictly.
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we'd be in a much better situation than we are today.
And he'd also still have a job, like Newsome did.
um...so what? And if someone put some shinewax on Tyree's helmet we would have one less Super Bowl trophy.
Not even remotely comparable to the topic at hand, and you know that (I think).
The bottom line is the way of doing business. The philosophy of continuity. The philosophy of hiring within. They are the same among the Giants and Ravens. They both stayed the course.
The main difference is their GM kept the cupboard stocked and ours didn't. When you boil it all down, that's what happened. And here we are.
It's not about the Giants being stuck in some timewarp of a business model that doesn't work anymore. They just need more talent on the roster. Their GM retired on his own this season for a job well done. Ours got fired two years ago for a job poorly done.
That's the difference. That's it. No Giants Way conspiracy, no all in for Eli conspiracy, no loyal to a fault conspiracy.
One GM got it done, and one didn't. The end. CNN can go home now.
That's far too simple a measurement system.
Peyton Manning is 14-13 all time in playoffs.
Jim Kelly is 9-8
Dan Fouts is 3-4
Dan Marino is 8-10
Playing in Petrinos offense definitely had a major impact on why he’s been such a good passer especially in the red zone
God bless you man, you're never a dull read.
The Ravens had a strong reason to stay the course because they were winning.
Now, they weren't winning enough games to be where they wanted to be - competing for SBs, and largely because they were too loyal to Flacco - but they also weren't posting double digit losses in back to back to back seasons.
They have a hall of fame coach and just had their hall of fame GM retire after he so brilliantly stocked their shelves for 20 years.
The only similarity between the Giants and the Ravens these days is they are both two syllable words...
There are trends and changes in sports — remember when 7 footers only played in the post? Now most every 7 footer is shooting 3s. Imperfect analogy, but wonder whether Lamar’s early success will cause old school guys (like Bill Polian) to rethink how you scout guys.
Unicorn or trend?
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we'd be in a much better situation than we are today.
And he'd also still have a job, like Newsome did.
um...so what? And if someone put some shinewax on Tyree's helmet we would have one less Super Bowl trophy.
Not even remotely comparable to the topic at hand, and you know that (I think).
The bottom line is the way of doing business. The philosophy of continuity. The philosophy of hiring within. They are the same among the Giants and Ravens. They both stayed the course.
The main difference is their GM kept the cupboard stocked and ours didn't. When you boil it all down, that's what happened. And here we are.
It's not about the Giants being stuck in some timewarp of a business model that doesn't work anymore. They just need more talent on the roster. Their GM retired on his own this season for a job well done. Ours got fired two years ago for a job poorly done.
That's the difference. That's it. No Giants Way conspiracy, no all in for Eli conspiracy, no loyal to a fault conspiracy.
One GM got it done, and one didn't. The end. CNN can go home now.
Man, you and i absolutely have to go out drinking one of these days. There is no way we possibly can have this many differences in how we think about our NY Giants...
The only similarity between the Giants and the Ravens these days is they are both two syllable words...
i laughed at this...
There are trends and changes in sports — remember when 7 footers only played in the post? Now most every 7 footer is shooting 3s. Imperfect analogy, but wonder whether Lamar’s early success will cause old school guys (like Bill Polian) to rethink how you scout guys.
Unicorn or trend?
He's going to be hard to replicate. It's not just because he's an insane athlete. His football IQ and decisionmaking has been under-sold since the draft. He's not just an athlete playing QB and running around. Sometime between his Heisman season and the NFL draft people forgot that he was one of the most decorated offensive players in college football history.
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Lamar Jackson is still 0-1 in the playoffs. He's been outstanding. As a franchise quarterback draft pick, to me the valid measurement is only playoff success. If he doesn't do it in he playoffs, none of the regular season dominance matters at all.
Remind me - what did Eli Manning do in his first playoff game?
I wasn't aware we were talking about Eli. I didn't say Lamar would stay that way. I'm commenting on the posters saying that obviously this is settled. The people that didn't want Lamar (myself included), had several for not wanting him. One of those was durability and his play style not translating to postseason success. The hype about Vick was insane, but he failed in the playoffs. What I'm saying is that there seems to be a lot of crowing for a guy who has no postseason accomplishments yet.
BTW I didn't want Eli, either, I wanted Roethlisberger.
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The trend being, putting the best athlete on the field at QB, and building the scheme around that athleticism?
There are trends and changes in sports — remember when 7 footers only played in the post? Now most every 7 footer is shooting 3s. Imperfect analogy, but wonder whether Lamar’s early success will cause old school guys (like Bill Polian) to rethink how you scout guys.
Unicorn or trend?
He's going to be hard to replicate. It's not just because he's an insane athlete. His football IQ and decisionmaking has been under-sold since the draft. He's not just an athlete playing QB and running around. Sometime between his Heisman season and the NFL draft people forgot that he was one of the most decorated offensive players in college football history.
I tend to agree with you TTH. My only pause is, in past failed scrambler QB situations, it’s unclear to me how expertly the teams actually built the offense around their QB ... this three tight end AND a deep passing attack
seems pretty unique ... though it’s just Lamar’s skill that makes it look that way. It’ll be interesting to see how Kyler Murray evolves in Arizona w/ Kingsbury — they are also building around him.
That’s exactly what 2018 was. They thought they could win another year with Eli
I saw Lamar Jackson play a ton at Louisville. People won't like to hear it on this circlejerk of a thread but there are cracks in Lamars game. He still misses a ton of wide open throws. This Ravens team has more guys running wide open than I have ever seen in NFL football ever. It looks like fucking vintage USC vs little sisters of the poor half the time out there. ThE Ravens seems to have ten opportunities a game like this while other teams get one or two. Its insane. Once the NFL adjusts to Greg Roman and Lamar, Lamar is going to need to step it up as a passer still. Probably won't happen because development of being a pocket passer takes years. I look forward to a Billy B Ravens rematch.
I agree with this. Lamar presents so much of a challenge due to his ability, and willingness, to run the ball. Defenses rely on math to stop the run game, put more defenders in the box than there are blockers. That only works if your QB is not a run threat.
If (when) teams figure out how to slow down Balt's run game, Lamar will have to figure out how to be more consistent throwing the ball. That said, this offense is fun to watch.
They can all block, especially Boyle who is a freakish blocker, and they can get downfield. Finding a solution to deal with them AND LJax's ability to run is impossible right now.
Oh, and they have a speed burner who can get deep to keep the top of the defense honest with Hollywood Brown.
Right now, you have to hope the Ravens beat themselves...
Unicorn or trend?
I think he can be both. NFL is a copycat league, so if the Ravens win a SB with Lamar, other teams are bound to try and replicate that. Easier said than done, though. Finding an athlete of Lamar's brilliance ain't easy, especially given that they would have to throw the ball adequately too.
They can all block, especially Boyle who is a freakish blocker, and they can get downfield. Finding a solution to deal with them AND LJax's ability to run is impossible right now.
Oh, and they have a speed burner who can get deep to keep the top of the defense honest with Hollywood Brown.
Right now, you have to hope the Ravens beat themselves...
Yes, that offense is a handful for DC's. You have to have a minimum of 8 in the box at all times, which opens up so much in the passing game. They spread defenses out vertically which makes the math difficult for defenses. It will be interesting to see how teams attack this in the playoff. You know BB is already thinking about it.
The problem was the Bills OFFENSE. They turned the ball over once and had a short punt deep in their own territory, leading to 10 points for the Ravens offense.
I would put money down that BB has already started some level of preparations for it...
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The trend being, putting the best athlete on the field at QB, and building the scheme around that athleticism?
Unicorn or trend?
I think he can be both. NFL is a copycat league, so if the Ravens win a SB with Lamar, other teams are bound to try and replicate that. Easier said than done, though. Finding an athlete of Lamar's brilliance ain't easy, especially given that they would have to throw the ball adequately too.
It doesn’t have to be either/or.
There will always be a place for elite pocket passers. But the ravens are starting to show you can have sustained success other ways.
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simply hadn't really seen him play. This board slants heavily towards Big 10 fans, and Louisville isn't a national power so he didn't play many nationally televised games.
I saw Lamar Jackson play a ton at Louisville. People won't like to hear it on this circlejerk of a thread but there are cracks in Lamars game. He still misses a ton of wide open throws. This Ravens team has more guys running wide open than I have ever seen in NFL football ever. It looks like fucking vintage USC vs little sisters of the poor half the time out there. ThE Ravens seems to have ten opportunities a game like this while other teams get one or two. Its insane. Once the NFL adjusts to Greg Roman and Lamar, Lamar is going to need to step it up as a passer still. Probably won't happen because development of being a pocket passer takes years. I look forward to a Billy B Ravens rematch.
He should get some praise after being ripped essentially from day 1 of the combine through the draft and last season. It's really not a "circle jerk". No one's presenting things as if he doesn't have cracks in his game. The negatives were overstated to the point where it was suggested he change positions. And also he improved a lot. He shouldn't get downgraded because the offense around him works. It's not like he's getting bailed out by playing with superstars. His main receivers are both rookies, and he's got good Tight Ends.