Art Stapleton @art_stapleton
#NYGiants TE Evan Engram no longer expected to play Sunday against Dolphins, per source. Has been practicing as limited participant + all were hoping he could do more, but sprained foot is just not coming along fast enough to return yet. Zero sense to rush + risk further injury.
...just another walking medicine cabinet for this pathetic franchise.
But hey, we traded for the $17M+ Man instead...LW.
Let's say it was a late 4th, is that a mistake?
Who would give up a top pick for an oft injured, non-blocking TE
But hey, we traded for the $17M+ Man instead...LW.
who would give us a first round pick for Evan Engram?
This one was my favorite
Trade him? Are you Fn nuts.
Doesn't seem so crazy anymore.
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that we may have been offered a first round pick at the trade deadline, Ive been sick to stomach.
But hey, we traded for the $17M+ Man instead...LW.
who would give us a first round pick for Evan Engram?
Eric showed me a report/tweet earlier this week that strongly suggested a first round pick was offered. The name of the team wasnt mentioned.
If I had to guess, Id say the Pats...
But hey, we traded for the $17M+ Man instead...LW.
Do you truly believe that some other team offered the giants a first rounder for Engram? I have a bridge in Brooklyn that you might like, the area is booming, good investment if youre interested.
Cmon people. Might have been offered a first round pick is like me saying I might crap golden eggs
Bollocks.
Clearly. I mean its not like the giants and DG have stockpiled draft picks the last 2 years or anything.
This place blows lately. Everyone just posts the same sarcastic shit that it rooted in exaggerations and myth.
Can you all imagine how BBI would have felt and reacted to Phil Simms his first 3 years in the league, and the impatience with his bad luck and injuries. A top ten QB pick, no less. The cries to dump him would have been deafening. Had the Giants given up on him, you don't get the first 2 SBs (Simms won 10 games in 90).
He either: 1 - can't stay on the field. Or 2 - we don't utilize him when he is healthy.
He's basically a waste here, in either scenario.
2019 SEASON STATS
OFFENSE SNAPS PLAYED
858 (15th)
PENALTIES
6 (T-30th)
SACKS ALLOWED
0
If Giants can get more than a 3 you do it immediately.
Hes missed more than 25% of his games with the Giants.
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Gettleman would have just traded away for an 8 game rental player.
Clearly. I mean its not like the giants and DG have stockpiled draft picks the last 2 years or anything.
This place blows lately. Everyone just posts the same sarcastic shit that it rooted in exaggerations and myth.
Agree wholheartedly. Mostly snide comments being passed off as clever but just puking out the same BS
Reliability is durability, especially in this sport.
I also think they should draft another TE, and not pick up
his 5th year option, Engram is a tease in a sense.
Do you truly believe that some other team offered the giants a first rounder for Engram? I have a bridge in Brooklyn that you might like, the area is booming, good investment if youre interested.
Cmon people. Might have been offered a first round pick is like me saying I might crap golden eggs
Bollocks.
I think it was possible. For example, have you seen New England's offense this year without Gronk?
You're right, the delusional posts lauding the wonderful job done by the GM under whom the team is 7-22 are much better.
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Gettleman would have just traded away for an 8 game rental player.
Clearly. I mean its not like the giants and DG have stockpiled draft picks the last 2 years or anything.
This place blows lately. Everyone just posts the same sarcastic shit that it rooted in exaggerations and myth.
So it's exaggeration and a myth that we traded two picks for an 8 game rental player on the last year of his contract? Well then, keep enjoying the shit show that is the Giants.
Not playing the rest of this year? Great. Let him get healthy and lets secure our #1-2 pick.
We cant just continue to create more holes and not filling them and hes cheap.
you guys mad we didnt trade him. you actually think we get a 3rd for him? no fucking way. he is made of glass and everyone knows it. youre better off keeping him and hoping he can stay healthy.
He's missed 15 games and counting the last two years.
He can't run block on a team that drafted Saquon Barkley.
The Giants told teams before the trade deadline they would not trade him.
There was at least one report the Giants were offered a #1 pick.
He's missed 15 games and counting the last two years.
He can't run block on a team that drafted Saquon Barkley.
The Giants told teams before the trade deadline they would not trade him.
There was at least one report the Giants were offered a #1 pick.
Yes because we can assure ourselves that report was correct.
Should we have gotten rid of Justin Tuck for being injured all the time especially the year before the Super Bowl?
When healthy Engram is the only other threat we have on the field besides Saquon. Shepard blows and Tate is not the guy and then we have all JAGs.
Its football, people get hurt. This narrative blows.
He can be a valuable piece on any team. For a 1, ithey should have moved him.
Potential.....yes. Not even close to realized.
The ATL WR is SO MUCH more accomplished so there's zero comparison.
So you think teams were offering a #1 for Engram?
2017 - Engram
2016 - Eli Apple
2015 - Ereck Flowers
2014 - Beckham
2013 - Pugh
2012- Wilson
ugh
But Sanu is not better. He has a total of 6 catches for 30 yards in his last 3 games in NE. They severely overpaid for Sanu. Engram is 5 years younger and a much better player right now.
Not playing the rest of this year? Great. Let him get healthy and lets secure our #1-2 pick.
What makes engram very talented? Hes fast, what else? Is he a good route runner? No. Does he catch well? No. Does he block well? No. This guy is a matchup nightmare for us not the defense.
His problem is health. If hes 100%, hes can be an impact player.
He's owed less money over the next 2 years than Rhett Ellison.
But do I get a hardy chuckle looking back at all those threads about how dynamite the Giants skill position players were going to be this season.
A TE and WR getting banged up is not uncommon. Relying on such luminaries as Cody Latimer, Benny Fowler, Russel Shepard, Cody Core, Da Mari Scott -- that was wise.
Always hurt, cant block, he is a glorified WR of sorts who cant stay on the field, make tough catches for first downs or be a dactor in the red zone.
One of the last Reese Special athlete types. Not a football player.
I think the report of being offered a one is bogus, who would offer a one?
His problem is health. If hes 100%, hes can be an impact player.
Youre lost
His problem is health. If hes 100%, hes can be an impact player.
Make tough catches?
Hes never going to be a game changer. Hes an injury prone tweener.
He's missed 15 games and counting the last two years.
He can't run block on a team that drafted Saquon Barkley.
The Giants told teams before the trade deadline they would not trade him.
There was at least one report the Giants were offered a #1 pick.
If given a 100 doors to choose from and 99 of them have a prize behind them, the NY Giants will run right into the empty closet...
Also, Tuck was a playmaker, so that's two reasons to hang onto him.
EE is not half the playmaker Tuck was. I can't ever remember EE creating a mismatch, in a game, for the opponent and being a difference maker. Maybe the potential really is there, but that's an indictment on the coaches.
I wish we could pick players like 31 other NFL teams, who can find a way to flash in spite of their coaches.
Also, Tuck was a playmaker, so that's two reasons to hang onto him.
EE is not half the playmaker Tuck was. I can't ever remember EE creating a mismatch, in a game, for the opponent and being a difference maker. Maybe the potential really is there, but that's an indictment on the coaches.
I wish we could pick players like 31 other NFL teams, who can find a way to flash in spite of their coaches.
Tampa game this year...
I'm fine with letting the Engram situation play out. We need all the talent we can get and he is relatively cheap.
I'm fine with letting the Engram situation play out. We need all the talent we can get and he is relatively cheap.
I hear you, but if there was a first on the table for a guy who can't stay on the field 33% of the time, you have to cut ties and take the comp.
So we have a hypothesis that we should have traded EE because we could have gotten a first. And then we can take it to the next level - the Pats miss Gronk so I bet it was them! So then we can move to the next level. Belichick could get something out Engram and he was willing to give up a first for him. So we get to shit on the player, the GM, and the coach all based on one unsubstantiated kernel in the news where almost everyone lies to the press all the time.
If all of those reports were true, you have to think there was a number of TE hungry teams out there. Not saying you would have gotten a first, but it is simple supply and demand at that point. You would have to think that a 2nd would not be an unrealistic return for Engram.
Problem is now, he has that "oft injured" label. No way you can trade him this off season and expect to get any kind of return.
If all of those reports were true, you have to think there was a number of TE hungry teams out there. Not saying you would have gotten a first, but it is simple supply and demand at that point. You would have to think that a 2nd would not be an unrealistic return for Engram.
Problem is now, he has that "oft injured" label. No way you can trade him this off season and expect to get any kind of return.
So he did not have the oft injured label before this?
Imagine having Ramczyk and Kittle instead of Engram?
The point I was trying to make is at this years deadline, I believe whatever we would have been offered was probably the best we were ever going to get. With the inquiries for Howard out there, there was a market for Engram.
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that we may have been offered a first round pick at the trade deadline, Ive been sick to stomach.
But hey, we traded for the $17M+ Man instead...LW.
Do you truly believe that some other team offered the giants a first rounder for Engram? I have a bridge in Brooklyn that you might like, the area is booming, good investment if youre interested.
Cmon people. Might have been offered a first round pick is like me saying I might crap golden eggs
Bollocks.
The Giants definitely deserve the benefit of the doubt.
So we have a hypothesis that we should have traded EE because we could have gotten a first. And then we can take it to the next level - the Pats miss Gronk so I bet it was them! So then we can move to the next level. Belichick could get something out Engram and he was willing to give up a first for him. So we get to shit on the player, the GM, and the coach all based on one unsubstantiated kernel in the news where almost everyone lies to the press all the time.
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Gettleman would have just traded away for an 8 game rental player.
Clearly. I mean its not like the giants and DG have stockpiled draft picks the last 2 years or anything.
This place blows lately. Everyone just posts the same sarcastic shit that it rooted in exaggerations and myth.
Stockpiled? Is that what you call it when a team trades veterans for pennies on the dollar and never actually trades down to accumulate additional picks?
The latter is stockpiling picks. The former is holding a fire sale.
You think it's myth and exaggeration? This fucking team is 2-11. Is that an exaggeration?
Get off your fucking high horse, and put away your pom-poms. Terps said it best - Gettleman could trade a first round pick for swine flu and you'd defend the move.
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of an offer of a first is not a reason to declare it a mistake. It seems like sometimes people only believe the "media" when it supports their argument.
So we have a hypothesis that we should have traded EE because we could have gotten a first. And then we can take it to the next level - the Pats miss Gronk so I bet it was them! So then we can move to the next level. Belichick could get something out Engram and he was willing to give up a first for him. So we get to shit on the player, the GM, and the coach all based on one unsubstantiated kernel in the news where almost everyone lies to the press all the time.
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Well, we all know that the only conspiracies that really ever truly exist are that of the media against the NY Giants...
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of an offer of a first is not a reason to declare it a mistake. It seems like sometimes people only believe the "media" when it supports their argument.
So we have a hypothesis that we should have traded EE because we could have gotten a first. And then we can take it to the next level - the Pats miss Gronk so I bet it was them! So then we can move to the next level. Belichick could get something out Engram and he was willing to give up a first for him. So we get to shit on the player, the GM, and the coach all based on one unsubstantiated kernel in the news where almost everyone lies to the press all the time.
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Well, we all know that the only conspiracies that really ever truly exist are that of the media against the NY Giants...
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DG may very well have tried to move him but only got lowball offers--like a 6th round pick--and decided it was better to keep him
He's missed 15 games and counting the last two years.
He can't run block on a team that drafted Saquon Barkley.
The Giants told teams before the trade deadline they would not trade him.
There was at least one report the Giants were offered a #1 pick.
I would be very surprised if they extended him and if anything he balls out and they franchise him.
His problem is health. If hes 100%, hes can be an impact player.
No.. he is a tweener who is not a good TE and is not a good WR.
Even when healthy, he is only impactful occasionally.
The guy is a liability in the running game and does not have good hands. We see him outrun a linebacker with the ball in his hands on occasion but we also see that from many other TEs in the game who are not limited in other areas of the game.
I personally dont care if we trade him for a 4th rounder at this point.
Yeah, and every day, Gal Gadot calls and begs me to take her out on a date. But I tell her I have no time because I have to post on BBI.
He's missed 15 games and counting the last two years.
He can't run block on a team that drafted Saquon Barkley.
The Giants told teams before the trade deadline they would not trade him.
There was at least one report the Giants were offered a #1 pick.
It was a major screw up, and another reason to fire DG. We were already out of contention. He and Jenkins should have been traded. We should have been sellers like last year. Instead, we were stupidly buyers.
I think Jenkins should have fetched a 4th bare minimum. Probably a 3rd.
Instead we are short stacked in the draft.
The fact that DG clearly AGAIN and rather inconsequentially mortgaged the future to cover his own ass is why he shouldnt get anymore time.
I doubt anyone offered much for Jenkins. Too expensive for what he offers.
I think Jenkins should have fetched a 4th bare minimum. Probably a 3rd.
More evidence that crack smokers still exist...
If Lil Bill suffered a stroke before he called the Giants, I too could see this.
The off-season began at the trade deadline... ;)
Hes never going to be a game changer. Hes an injury prone tweener.
Jordan Reed actually produced on the field....for a season or so.
I dont believe that is what actually occurred. But well never know.
Flip side is of course you'd trade him for a first if you knew he'd be back on IR in 2 weeks time. A second in the off- season would be tough to turn down.
Yep, good job here as this is correct. With that said, he was still one of the top OL candidates in that draft and within the grasp of a team in desperate need of them...
The Pats were a guess by me based on their needs. They used a second for Sanu. Hes a big target and solid, but most would agree the Pats overpaid because they were desperate for help. So why wouldnt they possibly overpay for a younger TE with upside at a position they have a big need?
Perhaps more so that the run game issue
At this point his value is low. I'd start fresh next year with him and see if he plays well. If he does, look to move him at the trade deadline if the Giants are out of it again.