Gettleman screwed up by not moving Engram before deadline

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But we can't give up on Beal? Just kidding. But seriously, what would we have gotten for him anyway?

Gettleman dropped the ball on not trading him, to no surprise. The guy is awful.

you might as well wait for the comp pick. I am not a fan of Engram as a TE. I prefer the Bavaro type that can take on a DE which Engram doesn't do but he is a big WR or a Flex TE.

...just another walking medicine cabinet for this pathetic franchise.

that we may have been offered a first round pick at the trade deadline, I’ve been sick to stomach.

But hey, we traded for the $17M+ Man instead...LW.

I'd be pissed.

I just want him to come back and play well so they can trade him before the draft.

Indicates a possibility, which you took as fact it seems.

Eric do you know what was offered?

Let's say it was a late 4th, is that a mistake?

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I'd be pissed.

Who would give up a top pick for an oft injured, non-blocking TE

In comment 14717126 bw in dc said:

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that we may have been offered a first round pick at the trade deadline, I’ve been sick to stomach. But hey, we traded for the $17M+ Man instead...LW.

who would give us a first round pick for Evan Engram?

ask yourself this question: if Engram was on another team would you give up a first round pick? Of course not because he's not there. Everyone can see how often this guy is hurt. He's only played in 8 games this season.

For Sanu..

Gettleman would have just traded away for an 8 game rental player.

when the discussion of him being trade bait was brought up.

This one was my favorite

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We have 2 playmakers. He’s one of them and on a rookie deal. Trade him? Are you Fn nuts.

Doesn't seem so crazy anymore.
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In comment 14717126 bw in dc said: Quote: that we may have been offered a first round pick at the trade deadline, I’ve been sick to stomach. But hey, we traded for the $17M+ Man instead...LW. who would give us a first round pick for Evan Engram?

Eric showed me a report/tweet earlier this week that strongly suggested a first round pick was offered. The name of the team wasn’t mentioned.

If I had to guess, I’d say the Pats...

In comment 14717126 bw in dc said:

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that we may have been offered a first round pick at the trade deadline, I’ve been sick to stomach. But hey, we traded for the $17M+ Man instead...LW.

Do you truly believe that some other team offered the giants a first rounder for Engram? I have a bridge in Brooklyn that you might like, the area is booming, good investment if you’re interested.

Cmon people. “Might have been offered a first round pick” is like me saying “I might crap golden eggs”

Bollocks.

and it's not like walking over to a shelf and picking a book you want. there has to be a trade partner AND fair value in exchange. without any information that either of those two things were present, this is just another crap-on-DG thread with no real basis and we have enough of those already, no?

In comment 14717158 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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Gettleman would have just traded away for an 8 game rental player.

Clearly. I mean it’s not like the giants and DG have stockpiled draft picks the last 2 years or anything.

This place blows lately. Everyone just posts the same sarcastic shit that it rooted in exaggerations and myth.

I would deal him this off-season and make a statement to the other players about guys who don't play. Kid is softer than soft-serve ice cream.

I too am frustrated that he can't stay on the field. If they can get a high 3 for him, I guess I'd take it. But if he stays, I just hope he can get past the injures. I would still love to see him be a regular factor HERE.


Can you all imagine how BBI would have felt and reacted to Phil Simms his first 3 years in the league, and the impatience with his bad luck and injuries. A top ten QB pick, no less. The cries to dump him would have been deafening. Had the Giants given up on him, you don't get the first 2 SBs (Simms won 10 games in 90).

If you can recoup a 3rd round pick (that you traded for Leonard Williams) in the upcoming draft, you take it.

He either: 1 - can't stay on the field. Or 2 - we don't utilize him when he is healthy.

He's basically a waste here, in either scenario.

the Giants needed OL help back then, Ryan Ramczyk was sitting there to take but Reese got cute and took a "guy who creates mismatches." Well, Ramczyk appears to be a mismatch for NFL pass rushers (and he stays healthy too.)

2019 SEASON STATS
OFFENSE SNAPS PLAYED
858 (15th)
PENALTIES
6 (T-30th)
SACKS ALLOWED
0

His value is low now, but you may be able to grab a 3rd for him. As I said in my other thread, one of the playoff teams that does not win the super bowl this year may look at him as a “missing piece” player.

If Giants can get more than a 3 you do it immediately.

He’s missed more than 25% of his games with the Giants.

In comment 14717169 djm said:

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In comment 14717158 LawrenceTaylor56 said: Quote: Gettleman would have just traded away for an 8 game rental player. Clearly. I mean it’s not like the giants and DG have stockpiled draft picks the last 2 years or anything. This place blows lately. Everyone just posts the same sarcastic shit that it rooted in exaggerations and myth.

Agree wholheartedly. Mostly snide comments being passed off as clever but just puking out the same BS

I said at the deadline, they should move him and Jenkins.
Reliability is durability, especially in this sport.
I also think they should draft another TE, and not pick up
his 5th year option, Engram is a tease in a sense.

In comment 14717166 djm said:

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Do you truly believe that some other team offered the giants a first rounder for Engram? I have a bridge in Brooklyn that you might like, the area is booming, good investment if you’re interested. Cmon people. “Might have been offered a first round pick” is like me saying “I might crap golden eggs” Bollocks.

I think it was possible. For example, have you seen New England's offense this year without Gronk?

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This place blows lately. Everyone just posts the same sarcastic shit that it rooted in exaggerations and myth.

You're right, the delusional posts lauding the wonderful job done by the GM under whom the team is 7-22 are much better.

In comment 14717169 djm said:

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In comment 14717158 LawrenceTaylor56 said: Quote: Gettleman would have just traded away for an 8 game rental player. Clearly. I mean it’s not like the giants and DG have stockpiled draft picks the last 2 years or anything. This place blows lately. Everyone just posts the same sarcastic shit that it rooted in exaggerations and myth.

So it's exaggeration and a myth that we traded two picks for an 8 game rental player on the last year of his contract? Well then, keep enjoying the shit show that is the Giants.

You don’t just give him away. He’s very talented and not close to over for him. He can still be an impact player on a winning team.

Not playing the rest of this year? Great. Let him get healthy and let’s secure our #1-2 pick.

But this GM was too busy throwing picks away for Leonard Williams

He can stick the cupboard backup when he trades away descent pieces.

We can’t just continue to create more holes and not filling them and he’s cheap.

this dude NEVER is healthy.

you guys mad we didnt trade him. you actually think we get a 3rd for him? no fucking way. he is made of glass and everyone knows it. youre better off keeping him and hoping he can stay healthy.

years, Engram hasn't played a full 16 game-season.

He's missed 15 games and counting the last two years.

He can't run block on a team that drafted Saquon Barkley.

The Giants told teams before the trade deadline they would not trade him.

There was at least one report the Giants were offered a #1 pick.

In comment 14717300 Eric from BBI said:

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years, Engram hasn't played a full 16 game-season. He's missed 15 games and counting the last two years. He can't run block on a team that drafted Saquon Barkley. The Giants told teams before the trade deadline they would not trade him. There was at least one report the Giants were offered a #1 pick.

Yes because we can assure ourselves that report was correct.

Should we have gotten rid of Justin Tuck for being injured all the time especially the year before the Super Bowl?

When healthy Engram is the only other threat we have on the field besides Saquon. Shepard blows and Tate is not the guy and then we have all JAGs.

It’s football, people get hurt. This narrative blows.

THAT is a fireable offense. Just awful. EE has a role on the right team, but he can't stay healthy, and he is an awful blocker on a team allegedly building around a RB.

But it also says something about how his talent is viewed in the NFL.

He can be a valuable piece on any team. For a 1, ithey should have moved him.

...guy can't stay healthy, has the drops, and can't block.

Potential.....yes. Not even close to realized.

The ATL WR is SO MUCH more accomplished so there's zero comparison.

Not close. “Accomplished” means nothing. Current value? Engram much greater than a Sanu.

In comment 14717384 KWALL2 said:

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Not close. “Accomplished” means nothing. Current value? Engram much greater than a Sanu.

So you think teams were offering a #1 for Engram?

#1s of Jerry post 2011 SB:

2017 - Engram
2016 - Eli Apple
2015 - Ereck Flowers
2014 - Beckham
2013 - Pugh
2012- Wilson

ugh

No I dont. Eric mentioned it. If it was on the table it’s a no brainer.

But Sanu is not better. He has a total of 6 catches for 30 yards in his last 3 games in NE. They severely overpaid for Sanu. Engram is 5 years younger and a much better player right now.

Ryan Ramcyzk for him

In comment 14717235 KWALL2 said:

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You don’t just give him away. He’s very talented and not close to over for him. He can still be an impact player on a winning team. Not playing the rest of this year? Great. Let him get healthy and let’s secure our #1-2 pick.

What makes engram very talented? He’s fast, what else? Is he a good route runner? No. Does he catch well? No. Does he block well? No. This guy is a matchup nightmare for us not the defense.

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He isn’t just straight line fast. And his hands are fine. Occasional drip is frustrating but he can make tough catches. He’s athletic And can go up for the ball. He can extend and catch. He’s not just some track guy who needs the ball on the numbers.

His problem is health. If he’s 100%, he’s can be an impact player.

Engram can be traded this offseason. He's effectively playing on a 2 year/11M contract.

He's owed less money over the next 2 years than Rhett Ellison.

But do I get a hardy chuckle looking back at all those threads about how dynamite the Giants skill position players were going to be this season.

A TE and WR getting banged up is not uncommon. Relying on such luminaries as Cody Latimer, Benny Fowler, Russel Shepard, Cody Core, Da Mari Scott -- that was wise.

that offered a number one for him, and I double question the sanity of Gettlemen of he turned that down.

Always hurt, cant block, he is a glorified WR of sorts who cant stay on the field, make tough catches for first downs or be a dactor in the red zone.

One of the last Reese Special athlete types. Not a football player.

I think the report of being offered a one is bogus, who would offer a one?

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He isn’t just straight line fast. And his hands are fine. Occasional drip is frustrating but he can make tough catches. He’s athletic And can go up for the ball. He can extend and catch. He’s not just some track guy who needs the ball on the numbers. His problem is health. If he’s 100%, he’s can be an impact player.

Youre lost