Do you really think either would ever use that term?
I wouldn't be surprised if both of them have used the word before. I suspect lots of people use hurtful words in moments of bad judgement.
I don't believe the Giants cut Jenkins today out of some deep care for the disabled community and the hurtfulness of what Jenkins said. If a player in better circumstances with the team said something similar, I don't believe he's cut.
I think they cut him because he's a declining, overpaid, troublesome player.
That Jenkins or some fans don't think an insensitive remark is a tragedy is not a lack of common decency.
He said something insensitive, and if the team wanted to retain him, the standard team authored press release would have ensued.
And you know what? Odds are that they have said it.... Â
it a joking manner, or privately among friends, or as kids.
But there is such a thing as professionalism, and that's where Jenkins crossed the line. I don't know why that's so hard for people to understand.
Neither is right. But perhaps understanding why it's not professionally acceptable will help us understand, and teach the next generation, why it's not privately acceptable either.
And I'm about as anti-social media, anti-cancel culture as they come.
But as a school teacher, I understand. Perhaps a lot more than some of you do.
By your own admission they're cutting him regardless. He's overpaid and underperforming.
So they cut him three weeks early because it was the last straw, and they're not going to let that slide?
Big deal. Instead, we have people on here now calling Gettleman and Shurmur retards, and proclaiming (basically) that they'll call whomever they want a retard.
Meanwhile, a poster that put it out there on this thread that he has a special needs kid and the term bothers him, sits there and reads it all.
That's not cool with me. That's not cool at all or something I want to participate in. And I've been biting my tongue on it all goddamn day while these idiots have a field day over it.
That's not cool with me. That's not cool at all or something I want to participate in. And I've been biting my tongue on it all goddamn day while these idiots have a field day over it.
Your personal objections to the language others use is certainly your right. You have recourse to both confront and report posters if your sensibilities have been offended.
My POV is about the dysfunction, inconsistency, and lack of foresight by the management of the organization.
It appears you've combined your perspective on posters and the football topic into some your posts and feelings.
say this... this is yet ANOTHER example why any smart celebrity should simply not open a Twitter account.
Agree 100% Jack off Dorsey is a retard
PC will destroy anything like retard is so offensive
Give me a break I liked JJ warts and ALL I hope he
catches a playoff ride and DG should have moved him
same with Engram oh well Good Luck JJ
I love how saying "retard" is a fireable offense Â
but repeatedly losing football games and blowing leads due to failing to make any in-game adjustments whatsoever and extending your career record as a HC to 17-45 is not a fireable offense.
I hate this whole idea that as long as we have a bunch of boyscouts in the locker room our "culture" is healthy and our team is good, as though that's what the true "Giant way" is and always has been.
The "Giant way" has nothing to do with being the nicest guy possible (although sure it's plus if you are a nice guy off the field, don't get me wrong)...
The Giant Way, at least when we've won super bowls in the past, has been about ferocious pass rush, hard-nosed smashmouth football, strong power running game, "crazed dogs" running around with no mercy hitting people in the mouth with no fear and no regard for legacy or who's favored to win the game (see: the ways we beat the crap out of Montana and Brady and their respective teams).
THAT is what we should be focused on getting back to, not just bringing in the guys who "know the right things to say".
And to be honest the 49ers current defense looks the closest to any past championship Giants defense than any other team in the league right now, which is why I keep bringing up Robert Saleh (and his staff) as potential new coaching staff.
In comment 14718379 Bluesbreaker said:
[quote] In comment 14717361 Eric from BBI said:
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say this... this is yet ANOTHER example why any smart celebrity should simply not open a Twitter account.
Agree 100% Jack off Dorsey is a retard
PC will destroy anything like retard is so offensive
Give me a break I liked JJ warts and ALL I hope he
catches a playoff ride and DG should have moved him
same with Engram oh well Good Luck JJ [/quote
Jesus Christ, have your kids teach you how to use some fucking punctuation before you try to make an argument on the internet ever again.
RE: I don't give a shit about Jenkins at this point, honestly. Â
I'm actually a lot more upset with this thread than I am anything Jenkins related.
I don't give a crap about Jenkins either...
But we have seen far worse behavior in the past from Giant's players that didn't result in an action like this.
If this was something that was building up, then the team knew this was coming. Why not trade him sooner. I'm sure they could have gotten at least a 5th and probably a 4th.
We all know there have been issues with him in the past. I mean not returning to work in '17 was worse as far as professionalism than this. My issue here, is the lack of foresight on behalf of the team.
As far as all this faux outrage, where is it when we see far far far worse on this board 100 times a day. How come that is condoned by so many on here including yourself, and now all of a sudden you are outraged that people here don't care about a player using that term.
I wouldn't do it. I find it offensive. But I have been consistent on this issue. And while I believe the team should take public disciplinary action, releasing a player for this behavior is extreme compared to other behaviors that don't get this treatment. It is incongruous to say the least.
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
He was AT PRACTICE at the time. Pretty sure that's not his own time.
What does t matter??? He could have been at home after work tweeting.
He represents the company he works for, and they can fire him if he says stupid crap they don't like.
Ok is it me or is this so not an issue? He was looking at the door at the end of the season anyways as far as most was concern. His performance over the past two years.... Cmonnnn!! It's time to rebuild with new blood, and with those who performance warrants it! Sorry, if he goes, thank you, really, thank you; should've got a pick or trade GM, but I'm not throwing the red flag for a re-judgement call on this one!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: This site has really lost track of some common decency. Â
that's also what's really surprising with this thread.
Do you believe Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley would be cut for using that term?
Do you really think either would ever use that term?
Bingo. Been wanting to say that all day.
Fairly humorous, how people project their own mental outlook unto their favorite players. I would be willing to bet both Jones and Saquon have used that term and many other words proscribed by PC nation, such as "ho" or other such terms
Neither one would be DUMB enough to use the r word on social media, and if they did, they certainly would have apologized.
I'll even go a step further and bet that you two have at one time used the "r word" or referred to a woman as a "skank" or talked about a woman's body. In fact, I'm sure if we scanned your posts here for the last 10-15 years we would find many words and expressions forbidden by PC nation.
despite the people who are offended by it, which ironically aren't the disabled ones but rather parents and family members, are as bad as the fat idiots that carry a gun in a holster in public because they can and the feel like it's their right. They don't have to, but they just do it.
The word idiot, by definition, is just as insulting to people with mental disabilities as the word retard.
"Idiots.—Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
There are people on this board that have a wide variety of experiences that informs their world view. His example was parent who have special needs children. On just about any issue, there are folks who have had experiences for which we should all have respect.
Our society/country has held up, venerated, and certain moral values. I think we all understand this, and what those values are. If you are going to be a person who says that they are adhering to those values, then you must adhere to them all the time, in every aspect of your life. If you adhere to them only when it's convenient for you, and not when it's inconvenient, then you have no morals. We actually had a poster on here say "Personal responsibility is a slippery slope". That should be a gobsmacking quote to every single person. It shows just how far we have fallen here on BBI and what we willing to accept. And if BBI is a microcosm of society, then our society is no different. If nobody believes in being personally accountable, then there are no norms, no standards, and no boundaries for human behavior. Furthermore, adhering to moral behavior, not only applies to managing your own behavior, it applies to how you react to the behavior of others. We are all human, we all transgress, when we do, not only must we accept responsibility we must also accept being held accountable by other members of society. In turn, when others transgress, it is imperative that we don't silently give a pass, if we do we become enablers of dysfunctional behaviors, allowing them the fester and grow.
If you take exception to what Jenkins said, and all of us should take exception, then there should be some accountability. But if you take exception to that, then you need to take exception to similar forms of dysfunctional behavior everywhere, including accepting responsibility for your own. It's hard, but that is how we build a great society that endures, one that we pass on to our children.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure plenty of you are going to be angry with me, saying that I am too preachy. Frankly I don't care what you think of me. Despite the accusations towards me of some posters, I do not need BBI's affirmation. I realize that I am probably tilting at windmills, but I live by the morals I am professing. That means I cannot remain silent. If you respond angrily to these words, then I am not speaking to you anyway. If you want to tell me to F off, so be it, it says more about you than about me. However, I do hope that what I write is food for thought for the rest.
RE: RE: The people that insist on using this word... Â
despite the people who are offended by it, which ironically aren't the disabled ones but rather parents and family members, are as bad as the fat idiots that carry a gun in a holster in public because they can and the feel like it's their right. They don't have to, but they just do it.
The word idiot, by definition, is just as insulting to people with mental disabilities as the word retard.
"Idiots.—Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
Stop, now you’re just being disingenuous for the sake of it.
RE: RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions.... Â
Used language in a public space they felt (and I agree) was offensive. They reviewed the language and their position with the employee and asked their employee to apologize publicly.
The employee essentially said he was apologizing because he was told to, but did not think the language was offensive. Essentially, it was a non apology.
Everyone makes mistakes, but we have to live with the consequences. In this case the employee was fired not for his language, but for disregarding the direction given by his employer. Not the first time for this particular employee.
I personally am fine with this move by the Giants. Good luck to Jackrabbit, hope he continues with his career and is successful.
For whatever reason. Acted like a douche in interview. Just too bad we didn’t trade him at the deadline. Time to see Beal and Baker at CB. Hopefully they play well last 3 games along with Love and Bsllentine. Could be the preview of a good secondary along with Peppers for the next 4 to 5 years.
One can only hope.
RE: RE: The people that insist on using this word... Â
despite the people who are offended by it, which ironically aren't the disabled ones but rather parents and family members, are as bad as the fat idiots that carry a gun in a holster in public because they can and the feel like it's their right. They don't have to, but they just do it.
The word idiot, by definition, is just as insulting to people with mental disabilities as the word retard.
"Idiots.—Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
It's pretty simple. There really isn't a need to refer to anyone as an idiot, stupid, etc etc. If we disagree with someone so much that we are using insults then perhaps it's best to disengage. Now, I have violated what is written above, perfection isn't required or even possible, but if we truly believe in a philosophy then we will hold close to it, and when we violate our chosen way we will certainly know. Apologies go a long way, both for the one apologizing and the one receiving. I am quite experienced in apologizing.
And this topic is news for a team that has very little to discuss that is positive at the moment. And even if there was, this still is topical news about one of its starting players. So its somewhat eye-rolling anybody is surprised the thread has so many hits.
What's not surprising is an NFL player said something hurtful in a heat-of-the-moment instant tweet message. And its certainly not surprising posters on this board have varying opinions about it. And I guess its not surprising that yet even others on this board want to project their own with a bit of a sanctimonious message for the rest...
We are all human, we all transgress, when we do, not only must we accept responsibility we must also accept being held accountable by other members of society. In turn, when others transgress, it is imperative that we don't silently give a pass, if we do we become enablers of dysfunctional behaviors, allowing them the fester and grow.
This is the basis for everything from the Inquisition to the Salem Witch trials to Fascism to the "re-education" of Maoism.
Perhaps the system of accountability by other members of society could include forgiving trespasses by others and the principle that the punishment should fit the crime.
I remember the days when almost anything could be discussed Â
on BBI. Some great posts from people with differing views.
Not allowed anymore - FOOTBALL SITE.
Somewhat ironic in the age of instant/excess information that things are more confused, muddled and constructive conversation between those with differing views has almost stopped completely or loses coherence - repeating cliche' or talking points and not communicating.
RE: RE: RE: The people that insist on using this word... Â
"Idiots.—Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
Stop, now you’re just being disingenuous for the sake of it.
He isn't being disingenous. This is why this is frustrating. All these words; morons,idiots,dumb, imbecile have actual medical roots. At what point do we say well these are offensive to stupid people? How do you call someone acting like an idiot without offending people with low IQs.
I had to do an exposition class in college that focused on case studies and disabilities and we had to do one on the use of retard. I understand the argument, but this is a very slippery slope and I hate the policing of language. I feel like we may need another famine or world war so we can focus on things that are truly problematic.
RE: I remember the days when almost anything could be discussed Â
on BBI. Some great posts from people with differing views.
Not allowed anymore - FOOTBALL SITE.
Somewhat ironic in the age of instant/excess information that things are more confused, muddled and constructive conversation between those with differing views has almost stopped completely or loses coherence - repeating cliche' or talking points and not communicating.
I've been on this site for over 20 years now and I'm in my early 30's. I learned so much from people like Bill2 it really is incredible. Kind of sad we can't have things like that because it denigrates into apes throwing shit at each other.
Free speech warrior changes tune now that he wants to get claimed Â
It's not the original offense that is the issue. It is the lack of understanding that the term he used is really not acceptable anymore. His failure to "get it" is the problem.
RE: Britt has said some things that I agree with Â
I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of McL's post - just not this part. BBI is not a great representation of our country as a whole. And on some days, when there is a particular brutal string of comments here, having the understanding that BBI is an uneven cross section of our society is actually what gives me hope.
stuff from a losing lazy and incompetent org.
Mentioned already, we knew he needed to go long ago
squandered trade op, then the owners jump on this tweet
to save face as they do not want to be discussed on Sunday
NFL pregame shows. He has probably done worse.
These cowards could use it like any politician to justify the need
for Shurmur or Gettleman coming back
these guys really need to sell the team. Hoping Tisch sells his piece to put pressure on do nothing Mara. Get some aggressive guys in here that commit to winning and know how to balance that with guys that are not from Norte Dame.
folks in real life use these words regardless of right or wrong.
Social engineering is ruining this country, present you will have
the police state you desire with no 1st amendment rights
folks in real life use these words regardless of right or wrong.
Social engineering is ruining this country, present you will have
the police state you desire with no 1st amendment rights
He was cut because he was signed by Jerry Reese and Gettleman apparently has an issue with anything that smacks of Reese. In addition, dumping Jenkins clears cap space. The Giants reason the season is already a lost cause, so who cares? DG apparently thinks that he can find equivalent CB value for less money.
Do you believe Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley would be cut for using that term?
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that's also what's really surprising with this thread.
Do you believe Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley would be cut for using that term?
Do you really think either would ever use that term?
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that's also what's really surprising with this thread.
Do you believe Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley would be cut for using that term?
Do you really think either would ever use that term?
Bingo. Been wanting to say that all day.
I wouldn't be surprised if both of them have used the word before. I suspect lots of people use hurtful words in moments of bad judgement.
I don't believe the Giants cut Jenkins today out of some deep care for the disabled community and the hurtfulness of what Jenkins said. If a player in better circumstances with the team said something similar, I don't believe he's cut.
I think they cut him because he's a declining, overpaid, troublesome player.
That Jenkins or some fans don't think an insensitive remark is a tragedy is not a lack of common decency.
He said something insensitive, and if the team wanted to retain him, the standard team authored press release would have ensued.
But there is such a thing as professionalism, and that's where Jenkins crossed the line. I don't know why that's so hard for people to understand.
Neither is right. But perhaps understanding why it's not professionally acceptable will help us understand, and teach the next generation, why it's not privately acceptable either.
And I'm about as anti-social media, anti-cancel culture as they come.
But as a school teacher, I understand. Perhaps a lot more than some of you do.
Even an old curmudgeon like me can see that.
So they cut him three weeks early because it was the last straw, and they're not going to let that slide?
Big deal. Instead, we have people on here now calling Gettleman and Shurmur retards, and proclaiming (basically) that they'll call whomever they want a retard.
Meanwhile, a poster that put it out there on this thread that he has a special needs kid and the term bothers him, sits there and reads it all.
That's not cool with me. That's not cool at all or something I want to participate in. And I've been biting my tongue on it all goddamn day while these idiots have a field day over it.
I'm the least bit shocked he said something stupid, and the least bit shocked he got cut today.
But I do take acception to the notion the Giants are some crusader for decency. That feels hollow and disingenuous.
Not for a minute do I believe the Giants would cut a good player for the same action.
I'm the least bit shocked he said something stupid, and the least bit shocked he got cut today.
But I do take acception to the notion the Giants are some crusader for decency. That feels hollow and disingenuous.
Not for a minute do I believe the Giants would cut a good player for the same action.
That may very well be true, but some people are acting like Jets fans on this thread, and we should be better than to condone shitbag behavior.
Good works folks
Clock out
C-ya tomorrow mornin.
Your personal objections to the language others use is certainly your right. You have recourse to both confront and report posters if your sensibilities have been offended.
My POV is about the dysfunction, inconsistency, and lack of foresight by the management of the organization.
It appears you've combined your perspective on posters and the football topic into some your posts and feelings.
Good works folks
Clock out
C-ya tomorrow mornin.
Indeed. Some much needed levity for this bullshit.
Agree 100% Jack off Dorsey is a retard
PC will destroy anything like retard is so offensive
Give me a break I liked JJ warts and ALL I hope he
catches a playoff ride and DG should have moved him
same with Engram oh well Good Luck JJ
I hate this whole idea that as long as we have a bunch of boyscouts in the locker room our "culture" is healthy and our team is good, as though that's what the true "Giant way" is and always has been.
The "Giant way" has nothing to do with being the nicest guy possible (although sure it's plus if you are a nice guy off the field, don't get me wrong)...
The Giant Way, at least when we've won super bowls in the past, has been about ferocious pass rush, hard-nosed smashmouth football, strong power running game, "crazed dogs" running around with no mercy hitting people in the mouth with no fear and no regard for legacy or who's favored to win the game (see: the ways we beat the crap out of Montana and Brady and their respective teams).
THAT is what we should be focused on getting back to, not just bringing in the guys who "know the right things to say".
And to be honest the 49ers current defense looks the closest to any past championship Giants defense than any other team in the league right now, which is why I keep bringing up Robert Saleh (and his staff) as potential new coaching staff.
[quote] In comment 14717361 Eric from BBI said:
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say this... this is yet ANOTHER example why any smart celebrity should simply not open a Twitter account.
Agree 100% Jack off Dorsey is a retard
PC will destroy anything like retard is so offensive
Give me a break I liked JJ warts and ALL I hope he
catches a playoff ride and DG should have moved him
same with Engram oh well Good Luck JJ [/quote
Jesus Christ, have your kids teach you how to use some fucking punctuation before you try to make an argument on the internet ever again.
I don't give a crap about Jenkins either...
But we have seen far worse behavior in the past from Giant's players that didn't result in an action like this.
If this was something that was building up, then the team knew this was coming. Why not trade him sooner. I'm sure they could have gotten at least a 5th and probably a 4th.
We all know there have been issues with him in the past. I mean not returning to work in '17 was worse as far as professionalism than this. My issue here, is the lack of foresight on behalf of the team.
As far as all this faux outrage, where is it when we see far far far worse on this board 100 times a day. How come that is condoned by so many on here including yourself, and now all of a sudden you are outraged that people here don't care about a player using that term.
I wouldn't do it. I find it offensive. But I have been consistent on this issue. And while I believe the team should take public disciplinary action, releasing a player for this behavior is extreme compared to other behaviors that don't get this treatment. It is incongruous to say the least.
I'm using it now and searched for "PC"
It came up 38 times... I guess 39, now.
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well said.
why are words weapons "more than ever", as opposed to say, 5-10 years ago? what a stupid take
They're all so pathetic. And they're so out-of-touch that they don't even see how weak their whining about "PC" makes them look.
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By the way, the CTRL F feature is the only way that I can find where I left off on some of these lengthy threads.
I'm using it now and searched for "PC"
It came up 38 times... I guess 39, now.
Hit Show All and then search.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
He was AT PRACTICE at the time. Pretty sure that's not his own time.
What does t matter??? He could have been at home after work tweeting.
He represents the company he works for, and they can fire him if he says stupid crap they don't like.
Ok is it me or is this so not an issue? He was looking at the door at the end of the season anyways as far as most was concern. His performance over the past two years.... Cmonnnn!! It's time to rebuild with new blood, and with those who performance warrants it! Sorry, if he goes, thank you, really, thank you; should've got a pick or trade GM, but I'm not throwing the red flag for a re-judgement call on this one!!
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that's also what's really surprising with this thread.
Do you believe Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley would be cut for using that term?
Do you really think either would ever use that term?
Bingo. Been wanting to say that all day.
Fairly humorous, how people project their own mental outlook unto their favorite players. I would be willing to bet both Jones and Saquon have used that term and many other words proscribed by PC nation, such as "ho" or other such terms
Neither one would be DUMB enough to use the r word on social media, and if they did, they certainly would have apologized.
I'll even go a step further and bet that you two have at one time used the "r word" or referred to a woman as a "skank" or talked about a woman's body. In fact, I'm sure if we scanned your posts here for the last 10-15 years we would find many words and expressions forbidden by PC nation.
The word idiot, by definition, is just as insulting to people with mental disabilities as the word retard.
"Idiots.—Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
There are people on this board that have a wide variety of experiences that informs their world view. His example was parent who have special needs children. On just about any issue, there are folks who have had experiences for which we should all have respect.
Our society/country has held up, venerated, and certain moral values. I think we all understand this, and what those values are. If you are going to be a person who says that they are adhering to those values, then you must adhere to them all the time, in every aspect of your life. If you adhere to them only when it's convenient for you, and not when it's inconvenient, then you have no morals. We actually had a poster on here say "Personal responsibility is a slippery slope". That should be a gobsmacking quote to every single person. It shows just how far we have fallen here on BBI and what we willing to accept. And if BBI is a microcosm of society, then our society is no different. If nobody believes in being personally accountable, then there are no norms, no standards, and no boundaries for human behavior. Furthermore, adhering to moral behavior, not only applies to managing your own behavior, it applies to how you react to the behavior of others. We are all human, we all transgress, when we do, not only must we accept responsibility we must also accept being held accountable by other members of society. In turn, when others transgress, it is imperative that we don't silently give a pass, if we do we become enablers of dysfunctional behaviors, allowing them the fester and grow.
If you take exception to what Jenkins said, and all of us should take exception, then there should be some accountability. But if you take exception to that, then you need to take exception to similar forms of dysfunctional behavior everywhere, including accepting responsibility for your own. It's hard, but that is how we build a great society that endures, one that we pass on to our children.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure plenty of you are going to be angry with me, saying that I am too preachy. Frankly I don't care what you think of me. Despite the accusations towards me of some posters, I do not need BBI's affirmation. I realize that I am probably tilting at windmills, but I live by the morals I am professing. That means I cannot remain silent. If you respond angrily to these words, then I am not speaking to you anyway. If you want to tell me to F off, so be it, it says more about you than about me. However, I do hope that what I write is food for thought for the rest.
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despite the people who are offended by it, which ironically aren't the disabled ones but rather parents and family members, are as bad as the fat idiots that carry a gun in a holster in public because they can and the feel like it's their right. They don't have to, but they just do it.
The word idiot, by definition, is just as insulting to people with mental disabilities as the word retard.
"Idiots.—Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
Stop, now you’re just being disingenuous for the sake of it.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
That can't be true. Allstarjim said that people don't get fired for saying this in the workplace.
Nope. Never said that. Try harder.
The employee essentially said he was apologizing because he was told to, but did not think the language was offensive. Essentially, it was a non apology.
Everyone makes mistakes, but we have to live with the consequences. In this case the employee was fired not for his language, but for disregarding the direction given by his employer. Not the first time for this particular employee.
I personally am fine with this move by the Giants. Good luck to Jackrabbit, hope he continues with his career and is successful.
One can only hope.
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despite the people who are offended by it, which ironically aren't the disabled ones but rather parents and family members, are as bad as the fat idiots that carry a gun in a holster in public because they can and the feel like it's their right. They don't have to, but they just do it.
The word idiot, by definition, is just as insulting to people with mental disabilities as the word retard.
"Idiots.—Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
It's pretty simple. There really isn't a need to refer to anyone as an idiot, stupid, etc etc. If we disagree with someone so much that we are using insults then perhaps it's best to disengage. Now, I have violated what is written above, perfection isn't required or even possible, but if we truly believe in a philosophy then we will hold close to it, and when we violate our chosen way we will certainly know. Apologies go a long way, both for the one apologizing and the one receiving. I am quite experienced in apologizing.
What's not surprising is an NFL player said something hurtful in a heat-of-the-moment instant tweet message. And its certainly not surprising posters on this board have varying opinions about it. And I guess its not surprising that yet even others on this board want to project their own with a bit of a sanctimonious message for the rest...
This is the basis for everything from the Inquisition to the Salem Witch trials to Fascism to the "re-education" of Maoism.
Perhaps the system of accountability by other members of society could include forgiving trespasses by others and the principle that the punishment should fit the crime.
Not allowed anymore - FOOTBALL SITE.
Somewhat ironic in the age of instant/excess information that things are more confused, muddled and constructive conversation between those with differing views has almost stopped completely or loses coherence - repeating cliche' or talking points and not communicating.
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In comment 14718347 Britt in VA said:
"Idiots.—Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
Stop, now you’re just being disingenuous for the sake of it.
He isn't being disingenous. This is why this is frustrating. All these words; morons,idiots,dumb, imbecile have actual medical roots. At what point do we say well these are offensive to stupid people? How do you call someone acting like an idiot without offending people with low IQs.
I had to do an exposition class in college that focused on case studies and disabilities and we had to do one on the use of retard. I understand the argument, but this is a very slippery slope and I hate the policing of language. I feel like we may need another famine or world war so we can focus on things that are truly problematic.
Not allowed anymore - FOOTBALL SITE.
Somewhat ironic in the age of instant/excess information that things are more confused, muddled and constructive conversation between those with differing views has almost stopped completely or loses coherence - repeating cliche' or talking points and not communicating.
I've been on this site for over 20 years now and I'm in my early 30's. I learned so much from people like Bill2 it really is incredible. Kind of sad we can't have things like that because it denigrates into apes throwing shit at each other.
Now unemployed, Janoris Jenkins becomes contrite over his use of an offensive term - ( New Window )
Mentioned already, we knew he needed to go long ago
squandered trade op, then the owners jump on this tweet
to save face as they do not want to be discussed on Sunday
NFL pregame shows. He has probably done worse.
These cowards could use it like any politician to justify the need
for Shurmur or Gettleman coming back
these guys really need to sell the team. Hoping Tisch sells his piece to put pressure on do nothing Mara. Get some aggressive guys in here that commit to winning and know how to balance that with guys that are not from Norte Dame.
Social engineering is ruining this country, present you will have
the police state you desire with no 1st amendment rights
It’s all planned, keep digging your own cell.
Social engineering is ruining this country, present you will have
the police state you desire with no 1st amendment rights
It’s all planned, keep digging your own cell.
i don't know if you are allowed to be on this thread with that handle...