it looks like they slapped him with the injury designation so he probably wasn't going to play much the next few games so if there's a $ benefit to cutting now I suppose it makes sense.
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Shurmur via #NYG on Jenkins: From ownership to mgmt to football operations, we felt it was in the best interests of the franchise & the player. Obviously, what happened this week, & the refusal to acknowledge the inappropriate & offensive language, was the determining factor.
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Shurmur via #NYG on Jenkins: From ownership to mgmt to football operations, we felt it was in the best interests of the franchise & the player. Obviously, what happened this week, & the refusal to acknowledge the inappropriate & offensive language, was the determining factor.
Why is management and football operations determining what's best for the franchise at this point? Are they stepping down and letting competent people replace them?
There must be something else to this because I don't know how we handle his dead cap number by cutting him this year ($2mm signing + $1.5mm restructuring bonus due 2020).
Curious if they are trying to void the contract for conduct detrimental to the team or something along those lines.
That team/roster is a total mess and not sure they have hit rock bottom yet. Still have a lot more bad money/cap hits to clear out of there. Link - ( New Window )
Hes a solid cover guy but hes a liability in run support. Not great when you look around the league and see all of the dominant run teams who will be in the playoffs.
Best fit would probably be SF with Sherman being banged up.
Silly, funny, stupid, dumb, etc... as "retarded" or "retard". Best CB we've had since...........? This is an embarrassment. Talk about DG should have traded Engram? This release is a disaster.
DRC, Apple, Collins all found their way out of here shortly thereafter. Because of salary and the depth chart, Jenkins became more of necessity than those other guys but he was a shit stirrer and his play the last few years never matched what he did in 2016.
When I listened to the cut-ups of his explanation/apology yesterday after what he said, I had a moment where I actually thought to myself "what the hell is this guy still doing on this team?" and here we are.
nothing in return for him. Nothing. not even a fucking bag of balls
And/or he did not apologize? If that's the primary reason, this team is more than a joke
I have the same reaction as you.
My assumption is that the team was getting heat. Radio shows were talking about it. They work with the special olympics who knows what they were saying behind scenes. They told him to apologize and he didnt. I dont think it warranted a release but we have lost 9 in a row this team doesnt need any more negative press on them
and/or wanted him gone at the end of the year due to salary, making "business decisions" during plays, is there a big difference between doing it now and doing it then?
I think he would have been cut after the season anyway, so I'm not all torn up about doing it now after what transpired this week. I'm sure there were other things that went on during the season that we are not fully aware of and this was the final nail in the coffin.
we have a guy like DG who can identify all the bad guys and ship them out! It's pretty crazy how we've had so many of these problem players on the roster! What are the odds?
well that's just ... I guess I shouldn't say it. No surprise - this is the same organization that passed on Tunsil despite massive need at OT for partaking in something that 95%+ NFL players do. What a joke.
For all the talk about culture, Janoris Jenkins was always the guy
who should never have passed the filter. He flies under the radar because he's not as famous, but his social media was wild. Far worse than anything the disturbed individuals who policed odell beckham's instgram ever pretended to be outraged by.
It's the right move, just feels like this should have been done during the trade deadline. We knew he wouldn't be here next year.
^This. He wasn't going to be here next year, and we were already out of contention by the trade deadline, so why not trade him? They apparently also refused to listen to trade offers for Engram. The Giants are extremely stubborn.
More outstanding roster management by Mr. Magoo. Could have traded him long ago but, no, let's release him because of a mildly bad thing he said on Twitter.
Ripped for starting a thread on how Jenkins wasnt a high character guy. He was kicked off a university of Florida team that was ok with Aaron Hernandez, seems like I might have been right
Jackrabbit wasnt in the plans for 2020 anyway. Why not move him at the deadline for draft pick(s)?
Gettleman continues to show he has no idea that draft capital is the #1 tool for a rebuilding club. Releasing players that could have netted picks is almost as bad as trading picks for veterans or bundling picks to move up in the draft.
This is independent of whether the players picked were the correct players as well.
... not sure they'll be an appreciation thread but I, for one, enjoyed his Giants tenure. Sure he had flaws, but he was one of the best cover corners we've had in the last ten years.
If we thought the back-end of the defense was bad before, we ain't seen nothing yet.
He was a high salary, low performance player who simply became more trouble than he's worth for a team playing out the stretch of another dead season.
I don't think anyone believes the comments are the sole reason. But put them with his total lack of apology for it, and his calling out the coaching staff and that was that.
I'm curious though. Can he be picked up at this point by a playoff team? I don't believe so.
Ripped for starting a thread on how Jenkins wasnt a high character guy. He was kicked off a university of Florida team that was ok with Aaron Hernandez, seems like I might have been right
He's sailed under the radar most of his career for that.
He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
But if you think he has been giving 100% effort on the field you are high.
How does that effect his trade value? We don't know for sure. The twitter stuff is just icing on the cake, added to his outspoken stuff about the DC not letting him go with the best WR.
He probably wasn't going to be back next year with his salary.
This is addition by subtraction. Young kids will get more PT for better or worse.
maybe he WAS part of the plan in 2020?? then he called a fan(you know someone who brings in rev for giants) a retard and doesnt apologize. he is childish as shit. my only issue with this is, how did we not know sooner he was a pain in the ass? he clearly is a malcontent
Ripped for starting a thread on how Jenkins wasnt a high character guy. He was kicked off a university of Florida team that was ok with Aaron Hernandez, seems like I might have been right
He's sailed under the radar most of his career for that.
He got popped for misdemeanor marijuana possession, what a piece of shit!
I guess it doesn't matter if he was going to get released after the season anyway. But for Shurmur to say it was because of some Twitter spat...this is insane. Further, the NJ.com piece by Darryl Slater is embarrassing. You are a pussy, Slater.
He's still playing well and provided a veteran presence at corner.
exactly my thought. he probably was, but then he acts like a jerkoff and calls someone retarded and doesnt apologize or see how its ignorant so giants were like okay bye, we dont need that.
He's still playing well and provided a veteran presence at corner.
We do save about $11 million on the cap with only $3.5m dead money. You can bring him back at his level of play for the $14.5m or so, but releasing him probably always made more sense given the investment in young players at the position.
He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
Good thing we didn't trade him when we had the chance
the lockerroom. I mean we don't have anymore veteran good players, but if they did its pretty obvious if we suck you can just start causing problems and you'll get rewarded going to a playoff team.
there better be something behind the scenes we don't know about
or this better have some major cap benefits - not that we necessarily need it given the space we have. this particular word has been way to sensitized. if not, wow.
but honestly I have never gotten over the game he basically quit on us against SF in 2017. It was one of the most disgraceful performances I had ever seen by a person wearing a Giants jersey. But again, he should have been traded earlier this year so this is a colossal screwup.
who should never have passed the filter. He flies under the radar because he's not as famous, but his social media was wild. Far worse than anything the disturbed individuals who policed odell beckham's instgram ever pretended to be outraged by.
His instagram is pretty tame. What are you referring to?
and so it ends for the great 2016 free agent class
He's still playing well and provided a veteran presence at corner.
exactly my thought. he probably was, but then he acts like a jerkoff and calls someone retarded and doesnt apologize or see how its ignorant so giants were like okay bye, we dont need that.
let the young kids play
That stuff doesn't mean anything. He didn't get arrested. He didn't get busted snorting lines of a hooker's ass. He used the 'r' word on twitter. BFD.
As for what this team needs...it needs competent football play at many positions, and Jenkins provided that at the CB position.
I can't imagine the Seahawks releasing a guy for stupid shit like this, for example. When you are a football team that cares about the opinions of SJW's and let that dictate your football personnel decisions...you are officially lost.
He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
Eric, I'm with you all the way about this.
However, the Giants do have to be sensitive about what corporate sponsors might think about what he said. Furthermore, as said many times on this thread yesterday was probably nothing more than the straw that broke the camel's back.
Between his salary, performance, calling out the coaches, Jenkins had this coming.
He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
100% agree. I guess as a society we have come to expect melodramatic apologies and empty promises to never do such-and-such again.
RE: and so it ends for the great 2016 free agent class
He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
I agree with you. There were plenty of other reasons to trade or cut him. Letting the punt hit the ground and roll to the 1 against the Bears. Or when Alshon Jeffrey got hurt and JJ stopped playing. Jackrabbit? More like Jackass.
Until the Williams trade, I was positive Gettleman was coming back. After that, the Shurmur and staff disaster and now this, I think it's likely he's gone too.
Correct. And even with the tweet, there's more too it than the language he used. The tweet was done during practice while he was getting treatment, at a time when he shouldn't have been tweeting. The coach spoke to him about it and judging by the fact he didn't apologize for it, I can't see the conversation with Shurmur having gone well. This is also the same guy that's complained about coaching recently(though I agree with his points) and has made some "business decisions" during games. Best guess is they weren't going to keep him for 2020 anyway and they made the decision having him around the young players was a detriment to their development.
They still should have traded him at the deadline, or put him on IR and traded him in the off season, but I don't expect much more from our FO at this point.
who should never have passed the filter. He flies under the radar because he's not as famous, but his social media was wild. Far worse than anything the disturbed individuals who policed odell beckham's instgram ever pretended to be outraged by.
Can blame DG, he was a Reese signing. But I agree there were plenty of other legit reasons to cut him.
He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
100% agree. I guess as a society we have come to expect melodramatic apologies and empty promises to never do such-and-such again.
+1
Why should he kowtow to these people? These people DO NOT actually care about what he said. They care that they can get outraged about something and cause a stink and affect someone's life that doesn't think like them. FUCK THOSE PEOPLE.
Ripped for starting a thread on how Jenkins wasnt a high character guy. He was kicked off a university of Florida team that was ok with Aaron Hernandez, seems like I might have been right
He's sailed under the radar most of his career for that.
He got popped for misdemeanor marijuana possession, what a piece of shit!
Nobody cares about that, even though he got kicked off the team for it. He's just a generally gross person. He went on twitter to call terelle pryor a "shit eater" a few years ago. He used to post all sorts of grimy shit on social media.
a shit? Really.
It was clear he pissed off the team. It is his MO. I'd bet Tisch and Mara had enough. He wasn't going to be there next year whether this regime is there or not. Does it really matter that he is gone now or in January?
I don't think this says one thing or the other about the future of
Gettleman or Shurmur. Fucking McAdoo made one of the most important decisions in Giants history and benched Eli. Soon thereafter, he was fired.
It means nothing and Jackrabbit was most likely not going to be a Giant in 2020 anyway, no matter who the head coach or GM is. What pisses me off is that we didn't sell him when we got the chance and instead bought an unrestricted free agent in a wasted season.
Let's see if Beal and Baker can handle the starting jobs for the rest of the season.
This is an organization that shielded a domestic abuser for
Ripped for starting a thread on how Jenkins wasnt a high character guy. He was kicked off a university of Florida team that was ok with Aaron Hernandez, seems like I might have been right
Hot take. A guy gets kicked off the football team isn't a high character guy? Talk about breaking news!
say this... this is yet ANOTHER example why any smart celebrity should simply not open a Twitter account.
Why not? This is a big win for JJ, if I was on this shit team and I had talent I'd be calling Shurmur a fucking retard on twitter. Oh you're going to release me? Oh no I guess I'll go win a superbowl now and bling for the rest of my life.
Our best corner, playing in a shit scheme, surrounded by inept coaching and guys who are rookies was the least of our problems. Our front office is horrible.
Shoulda tore this shit all the way down from the jump. QB hell?? We were in complete roster hell. Reese going years drafting only captains HAHA, what a joke.
I wasnt in the ax Gettleman crowd, but this is not good for him in getting nothing for him when he probably could have traded him before.
And honestly, as much as an insensitive thing as it was that he said, talk about getting bent over by this PC culture. My friends and I used to call each other retards in jest, and meant no harm by it, and certainly it was no intentional shot at those with mental issues. Would we say it today? No. I honestly think Jenkins meant the same but he has the eloquence of a doorknob and probably ABd his way out of here, the same way Shurmur got played by Petersen to burn a timeout.
So we make a bad football move, because he didnt apologize? What the fuck. He didnt beat anyone. Caused no serious harm. He had beef w a guy on twitter. BFD.
Before the last few years players were probably calling each other shit like this and far worse on the field, and in front of teammates and officials.
He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
Eric, totally agree, his explanation shouldve been enough!
Jenkins was the Giants' highest-graded cornerback this season, and led the team in INTs and pass breakups. Link - ( New Window )
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That's really not saying much, based on the talent level here.
He is also mercurial, as we have seen recently.
He is tone deaf as well, he doesn't get it.
when they could have. Something is better than nothing. For a 2 win team, keeping an expensive veteran around doesn't do anything. In fact it's blocked Beal and Baker into sharing snaps when they need reps and they need to be evaluated.
He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
Eric, totally agree, his explanation shouldve been enough!
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He wasn't talking to his 'homeboys' back home,
he made comments on twitter, major difference.
In today's world, it's going to get attention, that's it.
Just like the coach and front office. Where was the outrage when black eyed peas can out with "Let's get Retarded"? I swear I hate this manufactured outrage.
This was an organizational decision, coach Pat Shurmur said. From ownership to management to our football operations, we felt it was in the best interests of the franchise and the player.
Just like the coach and front office. Where was the outrage when black eyed peas can out with "Let's get Retarded"? I swear I hate this manufactured outrage.
Fuck DG and timid ass Shurmur.
+1 Thanks you.
This organization needs to be torn down and rebuilt
And we don't need a tired retread like McCarthy or Rivera. No more "Giants Way," because the "Giants Way" gets us 1964-1981 and 2012-2019 (with the interceding years being the result of George Young being forced on the team by the NFL).
When you're the laughingstock of the league, you need to clear everything out and start over.
As a few people on here have said, this team needs to be treated as an expansion team, and whoever the new coach and GM are need a clean palate.
when they could have. Something is better than nothing. For a 2 win team, keeping an expensive veteran around doesn't do anything. In fact it's blocked Beal and Baker into sharing snaps when they need reps and they need to be evaluated.
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It saves them about 8 mill. next season. I think they would have moved him after the season, if they didn't do it now.
He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
Yeah, thats how I talked with my friends too.
When I was 16. Jenkins and I are the same age.
Then I grew up. Id suggest Janoris do the same. Its not that hard. Next time call the guy a dumb ass.
And another reason athletes should stay off of Twitter all together, but the beat immediately demanding Jenkins' release and then getting their wish over a word he apologized for twice and explained himself over is maddening.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
I really can't believe this. I've always liked Jenkins and he has been a very good player for us. Cut over "retard". I understand it's offensive, but on the scale of crude language, it ranks pretty low imo. Just end the season already
Are we sure we could have gotten anything for him?
Do we know of any teams inquiring before the deadline?
He may get picked up now but was any already in the playoff team going to give up a draft choice for a guy who quits on plays and was easy to pick on this year when a decent Qb decided to do so?
Im not sure he would have gotten even a 6th slot. Any team knew he was a goner at the end of the year and any team lookin for an edge in the playoffs would not consider this years play as an edge they wanted to pay draft slots for.
They worry about this stupid stuff. If it meant so much, you already know Jenkins was kind of a dick, but he could play. So unload him before the trading deadline, get some kind of pick that might be used to bolster the OL. Or trade him directly for some decent OL depth.
This is the 1970s all over. Total incompetence from top to bottom.
Jenkins was the Giants' highest-graded cornerback this season, and led the team in INTs and pass breakups. Link - ( New Window )
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That's really not saying much, based on the talent level here.
He is also mercurial, as we have seen recently.
He is tone deaf as well, he doesn't get it.
we're not asking him to lead society forward. we're asking him to cover wide receivers. being "tone deaf" seems like like a low bar. would nick bosa fit under it?
Then looked to move him in the offseason. There was no reason to cut him today. In fact, he should have never spoke to the media. Release a statement on his behalf.
We now need to sign a top CB in free agency this year. Byron Jones $$$$
And/or he did not apologize? If that's the primary reason, this team is more than a joke
Knowing the way their doings lately wouldn't put it past them, I'd hope it was bc of culmination of things (moving on anyhow and etc)..but you never know with these clowns
And another reason athletes should stay off of Twitter all together, but the beat immediately demanding Jenkins' release and then getting their wish over a word he apologized for twice and explained himself over is maddening.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
Dan - he did NOT appologize. He gave the explanation that the word is part of his "culture" and slang he uses all the time with his "homeboys"
Can you imagine the reaction if a player gave the similar excuse for using "n****r" or "fag"
And the whole lot!!!!!! Our best CB!?!?!for saying retard?!? Are you kidding me?!?!?! This franchise is retarded!!!! The only interest I have remaining is to see Eli finish out his Giants career! Besides that this organization is a pile of shit!!!
And the whole lot!!!!!! Our best CB!?!?!for saying retard?!? Are you kidding me?!?!?! This franchise is retarded!!!! The only interest I have remaining is to see Eli finish out his Giants career! Besides that this organization is a pile of shit!!!
like a few others here, i actually understand his explanation.
think about how many times we call something or someone "dumb".
i predict that in the near future, we are going to have to scratch that word off the list of things we can say as well. since, technically, dumb is a disability of not being able to speak.
so for all you guys who are saying "how could he ever use the R word, he's a clown. you use the word dumb everyday....society just hasn't made this term/word offensive yet
When I started to say this is like the 1970's again
a few years ago it was out frustration and a personal dislike for a certain Giant owner based on some interactions from the 1980's.
But I was exaggerating and venting which is my normal BBI mode. I didn't really think we'd ever see the 1970's again and yet here we are. This really is just as bad if not worse than the Wellington years.
Let's see what Tisch is willing to fight for because if this mess is left to John and Chris Mara we aren't close to coming out the other side.
If Gettleman stays and they hire Rivera we'll know Tisch doesn't care enough to fight and he'll just keep cashing the checks and look away.
Are we sure we could have gotten anything for him?
Do we know of any teams inquiring before the deadline?
He may get picked up now but was any already in the playoff team going to give up a draft choice for a guy who quits on plays and was easy to pick on this year when a decent Qb decided to do so?
Im not sure he would have gotten even a 6th slot. Any team knew he was a goner at the end of the year and any team lookin for an edge in the playoffs would not consider this years play as an edge they wanted to pay draft slots for.
imo
I'm not sure. But I would think they could have gotten something.
Then looked to move him in the offseason. There was no reason to cut him today. In fact, he should have never spoke to the media. Release a statement on his behalf.
We now need to sign a top CB in free agency this year. Byron Jones $$$$
precisely. there were lesser measures to punish this conduct that would have been more appropriate - given the info we know now.
And the whole lot!!!!!! Our best CB!?!?!for saying retard?!? Are you kidding me?!?!?! This franchise is retarded!!!! The only interest I have remaining is to see Eli finish out his Giants career! Besides that this organization is a pile of shit!!!
Youre cut from being a Giants fan, go take a walk, stop using the r word, its not a proper insult
Then I grew up. Id suggest Janoris do the same. Its not that hard. Next time call the guy a dumb ass.
ahhh, i just posted about calling someone dumb. that's offensive too bro. but society hasn't made a big fuss about it yet.
Dumb is a disability as well (not being able to speak). So its ok to offend someone who can't speak, but not ok to offend someone with mental retardation.
And another reason athletes should stay off of Twitter all together, but the beat immediately demanding Jenkins' release and then getting their wish over a word he apologized for twice and explained himself over is maddening.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
Dan - he did NOT appologize. He gave the explanation that the word is part of his "culture" and slang he uses all the time with his "homeboys"
Can you imagine the reaction if a player gave the similar excuse for using "n****r" or "fag"
It's just part of my culture?
Get the fuck out of here
He apologized twice. First on Twitter and then again yesterday. It just didn't suffice with today's blood-letting PC crowd.
No apology in 2019 is ever good enough, which is exactly why he refused to repeat himself 300 times. It never would have mattered.
RE: this thread is really informative
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In comment 14717402 SirYesSir said:
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shows the number of people who really don't care about offending people with disabilities along with their friends and families.
Who is offending people with disabilities? No one is targeting the mentally handicapped, at all. But hey, I guess I missed Sensitivity Training.
If you don't get why families who have family members with disabilities might be offended by this then I don't know what to tell you. It's not thought about a lot, but it is absolutely considered an offensive word by people who have family members with disabilities.
I see this and think Shurmer and Gettleman are coming back.
Definitely
Then we're F'ed beyond belief.
I don't think this says one thing or the other about the future of Gettleman or Shurmur. Fucking McAdoo made one of the most important decisions in Giants history and benched Eli, saying that "we're all in agreement." Soon thereafter, he was fired.
It means nothing and Jackrabbit was most likely not going to be a Giant in 2020 anyway, no matter who the head coach or GM is. What pisses me off is that we didn't sell him when we had the chance and instead "bought" an unrestricted free agent in a wasted season.
although that might be the last straw. He was complaining last week about the defensive strategy where they didn't have him following the best receiver. Can't have complainers!
For me personally, its not so much that he said it - its that he didn't even care and used "his culture" as an excuse.
If you're one of these people nowadays who's clamoring for equality and complaining about privilege, and/or you're a woman or some kind of minority - and you're making excuses for Jenkins...that makes you a full blown hypocrite.
These people with special needs deserve as much respect as anyone else. This is no different than if he had slut-shamed a woman on twitter or used the "n" word and wasn't sorry about it.
If the Giants were a playoff team Jackrabbit wouldn't even miss the first quarter on Sunday. THe fact is that they are looking for a "cultural scapegoat".
Unfortunately the Giants created this culture after ridding the team of the "cultural toxicities" from the Jerry Reese era (Collins, Snacks, Apple, Odell, etc.). Turns out DG and ownership created this culture on their own.
Fact is that this is a bigger indictment on the org than it is on jackrabbit. No doubt that jackrabbit is immature and maybe a bit of an idiot for engaging a fan like that on social media; but it is embarrassing that the Giants org is trying to make a statement here to deflect accountability from this dumpster fire of a team.
For me personally, its not so much that he said it - its that he didn't even care and used "his culture" as an excuse.
If you're one of these people nowadays who's clamoring for equality and complaining about privilege, and/or you're a woman or some kind of minority - and you're making excuses for Jenkins...that makes you a full blown hypocrite.
These people with special needs deserve as much respect as anyone else. This is no different than if he had slut-shamed a woman on twitter or used the "n" word and wasn't sorry about it.
Exactly
RE: RE: If this is so wildly offensive to everyone...
If the Giants were a playoff team Jackrabbit wouldn't even miss the first quarter on Sunday. THe fact is that they are looking for a "cultural scapegoat".
Unfortunately the Giants created this culture after ridding the team of the "cultural toxicities" from the Jerry Reese era (Collins, Snacks, Apple, Odell, etc.). Turns out DG and ownership created this culture on their own.
Fact is that this is a bigger indictment on the org than it is on jackrabbit. No doubt that jackrabbit is immature and maybe a bit of an idiot for engaging a fan like that on social media; but it is embarrassing that the Giants org is trying to make a statement here to deflect accountability from this dumpster fire of a team.
There are some really disgusting comments on this thread.
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For me personally, its not so much that he said it - its that he didn't even care and used "his culture" as an excuse.
If you're one of these people nowadays who's clamoring for equality and complaining about privilege, and/or you're a woman or some kind of minority - and you're making excuses for Jenkins...that makes you a full blown hypocrite.
These people with special needs deserve as much respect as anyone else. This is no different than if he had slut-shamed a woman on twitter or used the "n" word and wasn't sorry about it.
In the off-season. Theres a reason why DG brought in a million corners over the last two years. The recent incident just expedited the process.
Its the right move. Hes overpaid, on the wrong side of 30, and makes way too many business decisions when he has to make a tackle. This is the same guy who quit in 17 when things went south. One of the last remnants of Reeses loser spending spree in 16.
I do agree he shouldve been moved before the trade deadline, but who knows if there was even a market for him.
Give me a break. Would you like a tissue? What a joke this team is.
Yes it's the right move, and it has nothing to do with being PC.
I like Jenkins as a player *most* of the time. However, it was clear he gave up on several plays this year. Those are not the type of vets we want on this team.
He'll definitely help another team in the playoffs this year, but i think its a goood for us to move on from him and focus on developing our younger guys. Maybe next year we can bring in a Sam Madison type player to lead our CBs.
Then I grew up. Id suggest Janoris do the same. Its not that hard. Next time call the guy a dumb ass.
ahhh, i just posted about calling someone dumb. that's offensive too bro. but society hasn't made a big fuss about it yet.
Dumb is a disability as well (not being able to speak). So its ok to offend someone who can't speak, but not ok to offend someone with mental retardation.
you're not as grown up as you think buddy
Okay, dude.
RE: RE: RE: It wasn't the smarted thing for Jenkins to tweet...
He apologized twice. First on Twitter and then again yesterday. It just didn't suffice with today's blood-letting PC crowd.
No apology in 2019 is ever good enough, which is exactly why he refused to repeat himself 300 times. It never would have mattered.
was it the "pc blood letting crowd" or what it giants' ownership and management? they moved quite fast for the "pc blood letting crowd" to do any actual blood letting.
it's unadulterated, inexcusable BS. Noone should ever lose their job over what comes out of their mouth outside of the workplace.And most of the time, barring insubordination, even in the workplace.
He apologized twice. First on Twitter and then again yesterday. It just didn't suffice with today's blood-letting PC crowd.
No apology in 2019 is ever good enough, which is exactly why he refused to repeat himself 300 times. It never would have mattered.
was it the "pc blood letting crowd" or what it giants' ownership and management? they moved quite fast for the "pc blood letting crowd" to do any actual blood letting.
Did you miss the wave of 75 articles yesterday demanding Jenkins be released for being so "wildly offensive?"
Are we sure we could have gotten anything for him?
Do we know of any teams inquiring before the deadline?
He may get picked up now but was any already in the playoff team going to give up a draft choice for a guy who quits on plays and was easy to pick on this year when a decent Qb decided to do so?
Im not sure he would have gotten even a 6th slot. Any team knew he was a goner at the end of the year and any team lookin for an edge in the playoffs would not consider this years play as an edge they wanted to pay draft slots for.
imo
Bill you know what is better than having one cover corner? Two. It enables you to do so much defensively its like a whole new game. Guys that can cover like JJ can are valuable, even if it would only would have netted a 5th 6th round pick.
NYG players are going to think before sending a tweet now LOL...
and a minor statement by mgt. I dont care what Shurmur said, he publicly called out his DC. He is obviously frustrated and sick of being on this team. I doubt hes been a perfect gentleman behind the scenes.
The Jints Central crowd see hes injured, and his comments and calling out the DC and whatever else is going on, and its a message to the public and to current roster that the wheels are off the season, but theyre not going to let this turn into a free for all. If they wanted to keep him they easily could have lined up behind him and released a statement that his explanation showed he understood it was inappropriate but he wasnt trying to offend, yadda yadda yadda.
I also suspect that Jenkins was not afraid (maybe even wanted) to get out of here. So hes not going to say sorry, and if the team asked him too Im sure he was happy to tell them to stick it.
Pretty soon the entire English language will be offensive. The word FUCK is used quite often on this fan site. Nobody seems to be offended. If Jenkins didn't fit in to the 2020 plan, they should have traded him for whatever they could get for him some time ago. Cutting him now makes no sense. Also, saying the word "retard" shouldn't offend anyone. This liberal pussy shit is totally out of control.
special needs child, I have issues with what he said.
it is an insensitive thing to say. without a doubt. but people say insensitive shit all the time. this is a business and the objective is win. there are other ways to address conduct an organization does not want besides firing people. even if that is their right.
In the off-season. Theres a reason why DG brought in a million corners over the last two years. The recent incident just expedited the process.
Its the right move. Hes overpaid, on the wrong side of 30, and makes way too many business decisions when he has to make a tackle. This is the same guy who quit in 17 when things went south. One of the last remnants of Reeses loser spending spree in 16.
I do agree he shouldve been moved before the trade deadline, but who knows if there was even a market for him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It wasn't the smarted thing for Jenkins to tweet...
He apologized twice. First on Twitter and then again yesterday. It just didn't suffice with today's blood-letting PC crowd.
No apology in 2019 is ever good enough, which is exactly why he refused to repeat himself 300 times. It never would have mattered.
was it the "pc blood letting crowd" or what it giants' ownership and management? they moved quite fast for the "pc blood letting crowd" to do any actual blood letting.
Did you miss the wave of 75 articles yesterday demanding Jenkins be released for being so "wildly offensive?"
i didn't miss the governor of virginia persevering through a much greater shitstorm for a much greater period of time. did you?
Pretty soon the entire English language will be offensive. The word FUCK is used quite often on this fan site. Nobody seems to be offended. If Jenkins didn't fit in to the 2020 plan, they should have traded him for whatever they could get for him some time ago. Cutting him now makes no sense. Also, saying the word "retard" shouldn't offend anyone. This liberal pussy shit is totally out of control.
Why would anyone be offended by fuck, you fucking fuck?
recently passed away after 65 years. I never once found the R word offensive when I heard it and I never thought it applied to my Aunt when I did. That's just me tho..
special needs child, I have issues with what he said.
I think that you can have issues or even be mortally offended about a single word without demanding capital punishment.
What is missing so much in this times is a sense of proportion that even approaches reasonableness.
I agree with this. Every situation is different. And every situation should be evaluated. I mean, even murder has different different degrees.
If Jenkins apologized, I think he should have stayed. But what we don't know is what happened in those conversations with management (I haven't read all the details - perhaps we do).
But is there a chance Jenkins had a FU attitude with the Giants, maybe they said enough of this and you're gone..............someone did say something about him calling out the DC.
Once Beal finally got on the field. Jenkins was a liability. So they move him to slot corner, his first game there he gets hurt. Then on top of that he tweets an insult during practice. On top of that, he uses the r word. The Jenkins at slot corner for 2020 project failed miserably after only 4 quarters.
shows the number of people who really don't care about offending people with disabilities along with their friends and families.
Honest question, do YOU have a friend or family member with Down Syndrome or similar mental retardation?
Because I do. And you don't speak for me. This is not offensive to me, and the family member I have who has Down's is cherished by our family.
Maybe he doesn't, but I do. And what I find most offensive is Jenkins lack of remorse. I hear people say that word all the time. It bothers me but I also understand most people say it without malicious intent or are just ignorant about how offensive it can be. So I usually ignore it. But when someone points out to you why its wrong and your response is essentially, "its just part of my culture" and "if you're offended by it thats your problem" - I take issue with that.
and score some brownie points. He was getting released regardless, but honestly it shows just how lost this franchise is. Newsflash, 98 percent of people could give a shit, we care that they are 2 and fucking 11 in a division that is going to have a 8 game winner.
Except the head coach just said it was the reason. So there's that.
I really don't take much stock in what comes out of Shurmur's mouth anymore...
on what basis? you may not think he's good coach but now he's a full throated liar too? the timelines seems overwhelmingly against your point.
Full throated liar? No, that's a conclusion you jumped to.
Why don't I take much stock in what comes out of his mouth? 90% of the time I hear the guy talk all I hear is excuses, he doesn't own up to poor decisions during the games and tends to fill his interviews with a lot of lip service. In other words I feel like he says what he needs to in order to get his interviews over with as fast and easy as possible.
special needs child, I have issues with what he said.
I think that you can have issues or even be mortally offended about a single word without demanding capital punishment.
What is missing so much in this times is a sense of proportion that even approaches reasonableness.
I agree with this. I also want to ask sshin05, and believe me, I greatly respect anyone raising a child with special needs (God bless you), but do you not see that the context of how he said what he said isn't targeting special needs people.
I look at it like almost like I look at words like "root". I could use it to describe the part of the tree, or I could say, let's get to the root cause of something. I don't think the word has to be taken just one way.
That said, I make an effort not to use the 'r' word in the way Jenkins did. Because I know it's disrespectful. But I am not offended. And I don't understand people who would give it any power over them because someone is a bit ignorant to use that word in that way.
The people that offend me more are the people that call for someone's job over stupid stuff like this. Those people are really bad people inside intending harm on others they don't believe share all of their values. These people are ugly and they are a pox on our society.
Jenkins was dreadful last year, on par with some of the worst corners in the NFL, and there were plenty of people on this board vehemently claiming he was a good player.
Come this year, he gets the doors blown off him the first few weeks, and the staff adjusts his role to not be the primary cover on no. 1 receivers. He's been much better the last 10 weeks, better than he's been for 2+ years.
Jenkins should have never been paid 15M last year, this year, and certainly not next year. He was something like the 4th highest paid corner in the NFL.
Jenkins has been a jerk since college. He was suspended by this team in 17 for being a jerk. When the GM was babbling about culture this offseason, then kept a jerk who had a dogshit year last year, and was the a top paid player at his position, I laughed out loud.
Of course this happened. Of course this happened to the Giants.
RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions....
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you work at McDonalds, and you call someone retarded on your personal twitter account, and the manager happens to find out, you probably won't get fired
RE: RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions....
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
I mean, all of your examples are clearly different from this in that they really were done in the course of doing business.
1) We all pretty much knew he was gone soon anyway and many of us wanted him out a while ago.
2) I am sure there are more issues here than just that tweet...BUT
3) anyone who thinks this is just a DG call is fooling themselves. Mara is pissed for sure and with all other negative stuff right now, this one is the one that reaches the public beyond football fans.
4) DG and Shurmur are gone.. Have to believe the pot is boiling right now and one will be fired the other will step aside.
5) Jlukes take on this is the best so far. Trying to explain why you say something that has become akin to some other very offensive tags (race wise, sexuality wise) just says yeah sorry I was caught. PLUS- the tweets happened while practice was going on. Injured or not, he was at the facility and thus should not have been tweeting anything.
RE: RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions....
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
Does it matter? It's just like you going on your personal Facebook page and posting something offensive. If your company sees it, they can fire you.
I mean.....I've had HR courses that tell you this.
RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions....
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
While true, football players have never been expected to use clean language and never have. And this was on Twitter.
I honestly don't really care about the move that much.
What I really care about was the motivation of the move. Was Jenkins cut because of the media outrage or because he said what he said. If it was the former, this franchise is lost, and I expect it was.
I really don't take much stock in what comes out of Shurmur's mouth anymore...
on what basis? you may not think he's good coach but now he's a full throated liar too? the timelines seems overwhelmingly against your point.
Full throated liar? No, that's a conclusion you jumped to.
Why don't I take much stock in what comes out of his mouth? 90% of the time I hear the guy talk all I hear is excuses, he doesn't own up to poor decisions during the games and tends to fill his interviews with a lot of lip service. In other words I feel like he says what he needs to in order to get his interviews over with as fast and easy as possible.
so you just said i jumped to a conclusion that you believe he's a full throated liar before then immediately going on to say you believe he's a full throated liar. nice
I really don't take much stock in what comes out of Shurmur's mouth anymore...
on what basis? you may not think he's good coach but now he's a full throated liar too? the timelines seems overwhelmingly against your point.
Full throated liar? No, that's a conclusion you jumped to.
Why don't I take much stock in what comes out of his mouth? 90% of the time I hear the guy talk all I hear is excuses, he doesn't own up to poor decisions during the games and tends to fill his interviews with a lot of lip service. In other words I feel like he says what he needs to in order to get his interviews over with as fast and easy as possible.
so you just said i jumped to a conclusion that you believe he's a full throated liar before then immediately going on to say you believe he's a full throated liar. nice
What is everyone bitching about, Most of bbi wanted him cut at the end of the year anyway. As to why he wasn't traded, maybe nobody wanted to take on the salary, we'll never know.
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
special needs child, I have issues with what he said.
I worked with mentally disabled adults for a decade. It is reasonable for you have issues with the slur. But to deprive a man of his livelihood for being thoughtless and stupid on one occasion seems to be an over reaction. Talk to him. Send him to a class. But to fire him after he apologized makes it seem like there was more at play.
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
Jenkins got fired because he was an extremely overpaid, declining, asshole who's time was coming.
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
This is true, however, him saying that and doubling down on it expedited the process.
EIf Jones, Barkley, Hernandez, Slayton, or really anyone of value on the roster said that on Twitter, they would apologize, the Giants would issue a a statement, and then off to getting trampled in the next game.
For all the rambling about culture this offseason, Jenkins has been a dope forever. Keeping him on the roster after he was abysmal on the field last year and a verified asshole since college, and Gettleman propping him up as some kind of mentor for rookies was rich.
can proclaim that Jenkins deserved to be released (which is fine by me), but didn't go anywhere near RodneyHamp's post asking how the hell the very same franchise did everything they can to hang onto wife-beater Josh Brown.
Never change.
RE: RE: RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions....
i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
I don't blame them for releasing him, even though punishment may not fit the crime, IMO. In New York, the way the media latched onto this story, they had to let him go. Good for the team for getting rid of the distraction... another shitty chapter in a nightmare season.
Jenkins was probably the second best player on the team. Too bad his career took this turn.
For all the rambling about culture this offseason, Jenkins has been a dope forever. Keeping him on the roster after he was abysmal on the field last year and a verified asshole since college, and Gettleman propping him up as some kind of mentor for rookies was rich.
christian, he is a bit of a dope, but he can still play. His MO is that he is/can be very good when he wants to, when he's part of a competitive team with a goal to play for. That hasn't been the case for three years, so this was predictable.
But the way the Giants approached this is just more laughingstock.
I think he's a good player to have when the team is doing well but checks out mentally when things go poorly.
That said, I really don't think the team should make football decisions based on what happens on Twitter.
agree. no problems if football/business decision lands on getting rid of him. when decision is based on this, then that speaks to management issues. which of course supports what we've all been saying for quite a while - our management sucks
have said that before the trade deadline.
He probably should have just called that guy a moron,but who knows how many here would have been offended by that.
11-2 I think they would have suspended him for a game. But we suck anyways and between this the murder at his house and calling out the coaching staff it was the right move.
On here but never thought he'd be released. Listening to Shurmur and especially Betcher everything was rosey. Disapointed they couldn't get a pick fo him.
trade him at the deadline? What the hell is this guy doing?
Because at the time he hadn't done anything this offensive. The backlash Mara is facing between a shitty team and not firing him, plus this whole twitterific disaster why would Mara and the Giants hold onto a player especially when he shows no remorse for such offense...
trade him at the deadline? What the hell is this guy doing?
More like why didn't the GM cut him after he had a worse season than BW Webb last year? Why didn't the GM cut him during his great crusade to clean up the culture of the team? Why did the GM declare Jenkins some kind of leader for the draft class?
You know why the Giants are the worst, these are the two clairvoyant sages running the shop.
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Janoris has a bunch of puppies hes got to train, Gettleman said, adding that theres no doubt Jenkins remains on the 53-man roster.
Hell become a good teacher. I admire Janoris. Hes tough. Hes competitive, Shurmur added. He always answers the bell, and Ive gained a huge appreciation for him coaching him over the last year or so, and so just keep put all these young guys in a room with him, and I think Janoris will be Janoris, and if these young guys are smart enough to listen, then theyre going to learn a lot of really good stuff.
RE: RE: Oh wait he needs to pass waivers now right?
I just scanned through the thread and no one corrected you. He is waived with in injury designation. All players whether they are a vested veteran or not when waived after the trade deadline are subject to waivers. If no one claims his contract, he reverts to our IR. At which time, we have 5 days to come to injury settlement. Once a settlement is reached, then he becomes a free agent. If no settlement is reached, then he remains on IR and must pass a physical to be released from IR.
Jenkins use of that insulting word and not being sorry is one thing. Hes ignorant and happy that way. But I really dont see the Giants releasing him if they were in the midst of a championship hunt. If this happened during SB week, Jenkins plays the game. What a skin-crawling season.
I guess Beal looked so good that Jenkins became expendable
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you work at McDonalds, and you call someone retarded on your personal twitter account, and the manager happens to find out, you probably won't get fired
No but if you call one of the customers in line a retard you would be fire
in the room(chat). Should have suspended him then tried to move him before draft. The guy should be disciplined but actually is rewarded a possible shot at a Super Bowl run down the road. Really should have moved him at deadline like majority of opinions here.Must have really blown up the bridge in recent weeks. Not a good sign going forward. Illogical knee jerk thinking on managements part. Cut off your nose to spite his face.
in the room(chat). Should have suspended him then tried to move him before draft. The guy should be disciplined but actually is rewarded a possible shot at a Super Bowl run down the road. Really should have moved him at deadline like majority of opinions here.Must have really blown up the bridge in recent weeks. Not a good sign going forward. Illogical knee jerk thinking on managements part. Cut off your nose to spite his face.
I just scanned through the thread and no one corrected you. He is waived with in injury designation. All players whether they are a vested veteran or not when waived after the trade deadline are subject to waivers. If no one claims his contract, he reverts to our IR. At which time, we have 5 days to come to injury settlement. Once a settlement is reached, then he becomes a free agent. If no settlement is reached, then he remains on IR and must pass a physical to be released from IR.
You are correct. But teams don't normally claim waived/injured players. Unless something bizarre happens, he will be free to sign with any team.
You're a pro football player, you were on your phone AT PRACTICE, and you insulted a fan for the entire world to see.
You represent the company, when you make thenm look bad you get the boot. Recognize that you're too high-profile to act this unprofessional in the public eye.
special needs child, I have issues with what he said.
I worked with mentally disabled adults for a decade. It is reasonable for you have issues with the slur. But to deprive a man of his livelihood for being thoughtless and stupid on one occasion seems to be an over reaction. Talk to him. Send him to a class. But to fire him after he apologized makes it seem like there was more at play.
How is cutting him depriving him of a livelihood? He will sign with another team so how does this deprive him?
RE: I don't buy that he was released for the tweet
If the Giants were a playoff team Jackrabbit wouldn't even miss the first quarter on Sunday. THe fact is that they are looking for a "cultural scapegoat".
Unfortunately the Giants created this culture after ridding the team of the "cultural toxicities" from the Jerry Reese era (Collins, Snacks, Apple, Odell, etc.). Turns out DG and ownership created this culture on their own.
Fact is that this is a bigger indictment on the org than it is on jackrabbit. No doubt that jackrabbit is immature and maybe a bit of an idiot for engaging a fan like that on social media; but it is embarrassing that the Giants org is trying to make a statement here to deflect accountability from this dumpster fire of a team.
And if Saquon or Danny Jones did this, does anyone think they would have been released?
Thank you for the sane comment. I think we here on BBI tend to overestimate what other teams would pay for our junk. This man should have been cut last year when he openly quit on plays. I agree that is is unlikely that anyone was offering to pony up for him.
Are we sure we could have gotten anything for him?
Do we know of any teams inquiring before the deadline?
He may get picked up now but was any already in the playoff team going to give up a draft choice for a guy who quits on plays and was easy to pick on this year when a decent Qb decided to do so?
Im not sure he would have gotten even a 6th slot. Any team knew he was a goner at the end of the year and any team lookin for an edge in the playoffs would not consider this years play as an edge they wanted to pay draft slots for.
It's the Giants, so I believe it. But it's laughable a team paid Jenkins ~12M dollars for 13 games, in a 2-11 season. To then cut him because he said a bad word on Twitter.
Jenkins' whole jam has been being a moron on. Twitter. This is a guy who didn't come back to work after the bye week one year because the team sucked.
Either trade him at the deadline, trade him in the offseason, or let him play out 2020 and get a comp pick. Now its dead money, and another position to fill in for 2020.
From Shurmur's statement, it sounds like the Maras forced this.
I guess the only bright side of this, is that we got 1 step closer to Trevor Lawrence.
Could have traded him and got something for him, but nah, we're going to for a completely unrealistic playoff push instead.
At least we can all breathe a sigh of relief knowing the franchise has adults in charge. Hey there "hog mollie" there's an adult in the room now.
You do understand this had nothing to do with football right? No? Well bless your little heart.
Yeah because I totally said he was cut today because of football reasons. You stay strong with that strawman of yours big boy. It's doing wonders for you so far.
The rest of these malcontent fucks should all go. As should the idiot GM who brought them in blowing himself at the press conferences on how he's reshaped the roster with adults and high character guys. Yeah, that's gone well.
That he went to a talk about Jews for Christ and when he looked around the room, he could tell the Jews there were scared because they realized Jesus was the messiah . In other words, he implied that the Jews in the room were scared because they realized they were going to hell.
Isnt that way worse than what Jenkins did on the PC Richter scale? Yet Mara had no problem with hiring DG
And I discovered this article by doing a simple google search on DG when Giants were considering hiring him. Iirc it was in a local Virginia paper.
The only thing worse than the joke this franchise has become
The rest of these malcontent fucks should all go. As should the idiot GM who brought them in blowing himself at the press conferences on how he's reshaped the roster with adults and high character guys. Yeah, that's gone well.
behind the scenes. I suspect they didnt think he was a good role model for all the young DBs...the twitter business gave them cover to make the move early
RE: RE: RE: RE: Oh wait he needs to pass waivers now right?
I just scanned through the thread and no one corrected you. He is waived with in injury designation. All players whether they are a vested veteran or not when waived after the trade deadline are subject to waivers. If no one claims his contract, he reverts to our IR. At which time, we have 5 days to come to injury settlement. Once a settlement is reached, then he becomes a free agent. If no settlement is reached, then he remains on IR and must pass a physical to be released from IR.
You are correct. But teams don't normally claim waived/injured players. Unless something bizarre happens, he will be free to sign with any team.
He'll be free to sign with any team after an injury settlement is reached or until he passes a physical from IR. The Giants can absolutely squat on his rights if they so choose to do so. I suspect they want to rid themselves of him either by being claimed or paying the injury settlement.
The comment was not litterally meant in those terms. Where is the rational common sense people!!!??? We release reformed criminals back into society everyday who have committed some horrific crimes yet we are going to villanize people and fire them for comments they have made in the heat of the conversation?!? I get the whole they should know better and you have to hold yourself to higher standards etc. but we are human beings! might as well let robots run the world! this is becoming ridiculous.
And let him rot on the sidelines for the remainder of the year.
Instead he gets to go play for a contender.
This franchise is a horrific joke. Pretty much at my wits end with them.
Conduct Detrimental would almost certainly entail a grievance filed the Player's Union. Then they would go to arbitration to argument whether "free speech" on a private platform is reason for cause. The Giants likely just want to cut ties and rid him of the franchise. With him being injured, he has to have the injury designation on waivers. As I outlined above, there is a process that is outlined in the CBA. The team just can't "fire" him for ignorant comments on Twitter.
For all the rambling about culture this offseason, Jenkins has been a dope forever. Keeping him on the roster after he was abysmal on the field last year and a verified asshole since college, and Gettleman propping him up as some kind of mentor for rookies was rich.
christian, he is a bit of a dope, but he can still play. His MO is that he is/can be very good when he wants to, when he's part of a competitive team with a goal to play for. That hasn't been the case for three years, so this was predictable.
But the way the Giants approached this is just more laughingstock.
But why is it a foregone conclusion that the Giants were going to cut him this offseason? He, without a doubt, was the best CB on this team this season. Beal, Baker or Ballentine might not have progressed the rest of the way.
It wasn't a no-brainer that he wasn't going to come back prior to this incident. Is it at all possible that Getty didn't trade him because there was a chance he would be here in 2020?
Also, let's not act like this was the first issue Jackrabbit has had during his entire tenure as a Giant. This was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation coupled with the money owed to him.
But why is it a foregone conclusion that the Giants were going to cut him this offseason? He, without a doubt, was the best CB on this team this season. Beal, Baker or Ballentine might not have progressed the rest of the way.
It wasn't a no-brainer that he wasn't going to come back prior to this incident. Is it at all possible that Getty didn't trade him because there was a chance he would be here in 2020?
Also, let's not act like this was the first issue Jackrabbit has had during his entire tenure as a Giant. This was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation coupled with the money owed to him.
I think he's kind of a frontrunner. He's mostly fine when things are good, but he's not going to help hold the team together when things are bad.
But I think what's getting lost in all this is that Jenkins was most likely gone at the end of the year anyway, this just expedited his departure.
I think this is just being used as another reason to shit on the Giants because people have been so unhappy (rightfully so) with the team and what it's been doing for so long now that any reason to attack them is going to be pounced on. Granted it does seem like a ship without a rudder right now and hopefully things get fixed in a hurry this offseason.
I saw someone ask the question that if this would have been done to Saquon or Jones had they done the same thing. First off, they have more class than that, so that situation would not have presented itself. Second, even if they did do something like this, I highly doubt that they would have doubled down on their mistake with the "excuse" Jenkins used and then not apologized on top of it. Let's be clear, Jenkins never apologized, he just provided an excuse for saying it.
I firmly believe that if Jenkins had owned up to it and apologized, he would have played, or at least been on the roster, for the last 3 games and then been released.
I liked Jenkins, but he took too many plays off and/or made too many business decisions which seems to already have rubbed off on people like Baker. We don't need bad influences for some of the younger guys, especially highly drafted/talented ones, on the team.
For over 25 years with the developmentally disabled, the last 22 in the psych department, the ARC changed its name in the mid to late 90s, to avoid the stigma. I taught classes on how to work with the people we served and showed movies of Down syndrome folks saying how the word was hurtful and insulting. We had been training staff since the late 80s this word was off limits, so it doesnt seem like a PC crowd thing to me.
He's still playing well and provided a veteran presence at corner.
We do save about $11 million on the cap with only $3.5m dead money. You can bring him back at his level of play for the $14.5m or so, but releasing him probably always made more sense given the investment in young players at the position.
$3.5M of cap room now qualifies as "only" status? I guess it's "only" roughly the average salary for one of your top 51 players on a $180M roster.
there aren't a lot of Eli Mannings or Carl Banks out there. Team mentality, leadership, maturity, respect, work ethic, these are qualities possessed by fewer players these days as opposed to 30 years ago because fewer people in general have these qualities.
RE: RE: For all the talk about culture, Janoris Jenkins was always the guy
who should never have passed the filter. He flies under the radar because he's not as famous, but his social media was wild. Far worse than anything the disturbed individuals who policed odell beckham's instgram ever pretended to be outraged by.
Can blame DG, he was a Reese signing. But I agree there were plenty of other legit reasons to cut him.
Gettleman jettisoned nearly every player acquired by Reese, often for pennies on the dollar or nothing at all. So even though Reese was the one who signed Jenkins originally, now two years in and with ample opportunity to get rid of Jenkins if he wanted to (as DG did with nearly everyone else), DG choosing to keep JJ does give DG a certain share of culpability, especially when repairing the culture was one of DG's stated goals.
But why is it a foregone conclusion that the Giants were going to cut him this offseason? He, without a doubt, was the best CB on this team this season. Beal, Baker or Ballentine might not have progressed the rest of the way.
It wasn't a no-brainer that he wasn't going to come back prior to this incident. Is it at all possible that Getty didn't trade him because there was a chance he would be here in 2020?
Also, let's not act like this was the first issue Jackrabbit has had during his entire tenure as a Giant. This was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation coupled .
with the money owed to him.
His caphit would be 14.75 million. But his dead money is only 3.5
Giants will have an extra 11.25 cap space if they cut him. The contract is actually structured in a way that made it easy to release him the last season.
RE: RE: RE: For all the talk about culture, Janoris Jenkins was always the guy
Gettleman jettisoned nearly every player acquired by Reese, often for pennies on the dollar or nothing at all. So even though Reese was the one who signed Jenkins originally, now two years in and with ample opportunity to get rid of Jenkins if he wanted to (as DG did with nearly everyone else), DG choosing to keep JJ does give DG a certain share of culpability, especially when repairing the culture was one of DG's stated goals.
The Gettleman excuse machine is in full effect.
Gettleman had two opportunities to cut ties with Jenkins, and instead converted some salary to bonus in 18.
He then literally called Jenkins out as a leader this offseason and charged him with being a mentor and teacher to the group of young corners.
Jenkins was a perfectly easy contract to cut this year. And after being completely terrible at football last year, it's mind numbing Gettleman retained him.
This is a guy who didn't come back to work because he didn't feel like it in 2017.
Keeping Jenkins on the roster and paying him 12M this year makes Gettleman's "culture" charade s complete farce.
based on where we are now and where we need to go.
Yawn.
Shouldn't matter one way or other. We loss no matter what. He was going going gone anyway. My only comment is if they are letting dead weight go - why stop here?
but I absolutely do not understand the "trade Engram" crowd.
Why? Why ship out every talented player we have? Engram is worth more than he'd get back in a trade.
Engram is over rated. The guy gets hurt too much and he is a liability in the running game. I have no use for a guy who makes an occasional nice play but then hurts us on other plays.
All you need to do is look at a guy like Andrews on Baltimore. The guys does not have Engram's speed but he gets open and is an excellent blocker. He is simply a better tight end... period.
The comment was not litterally meant in those terms. Where is the rational common sense people!!!??? We release reformed criminals back into society everyday who have committed some horrific crimes yet we are going to villanize people and fire them for comments they have made in the heat of the conversation?!? I get the whole they should know better and you have to hold yourself to higher standards etc. but we are human beings! might as well let robots run the world! this is becoming ridiculous.
its not cancel culture. Jenkins messed up but it was his refusal to clean up the mess and even double down on the mistake that got him waived.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions....
i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
Care to elaborate?
on what exactly?
You said to the poster you don't understand what gets said in high performance work places, I was curious.
And just coincidentally get to save 2.5 million on JJ's salary this year.
But I'm sure that 2.5 million played no role in the decision to cut him
Only if he is claimed on waivers which he likely won't. We will then have to pay him an injury settlement to complete the process. So while we may save on the remaining salary, the injury settlement will likely be close to what would have been owed.
and say that he didn't mean to offend anyone and that rabbit loves everybody or something? and yet he is cut over this?
and i really can't believe there are people on this site conflating calling someone a retard with calling someone a nig*er. just mindblowing to me than anyone can be this sanctimonious.
some pathologically oversensitive easily butthurt pussies out there for sure.
i wasn't jenkins biggest fan but he was easily the best corner on the team and has certainly played better than anyone gettleman has brought in, even with the occasional business decision. bethea, beal, baker, haley, ogletree, mayo are all hot garbage.
i shudder to think what happens in this offseason because over the last five plus years mara has shown himself to be incompetent in every capacity.
The comment was not litterally meant in those terms. Where is the rational common sense people!!!??? We release reformed criminals back into society everyday who have committed some horrific crimes yet we are going to villanize people and fire them for comments they have made in the heat of the conversation?!? I get the whole they should know better and you have to hold yourself to higher standards etc. but we are human beings! might as well let robots run the world! this is becoming ridiculous.
its not cancel culture. Jenkins messed up but it was his refusal to clean up the mess and even double down on the mistake that got him waived.
It's a textbook example of cancel culture.
Except I think the Giants were more motivated by the 2.5 million they are going to save in JJ's salary than they were by sensitivity to special needs individuals. After all, this is a team that plays the "Redskins" twice a year.
there aren't a lot of Eli Mannings or Carl Banks out there. Team mentality, leadership, maturity, respect, work ethic, these are qualities possessed by fewer players these days as opposed to 30 years ago because fewer people in general have these qualities.
I sorta thought that too. But could it also be that we've always had this problem, and now there's just more attention in the information age that brings issues to the forefront that would otherwise be lost?
I get that a younger generation has issues. But there's plenty in that group that are good people.......hasn't our "younger generation" always had something going on? But today......it's magnified with social media.
This organization sucks. Its one thing to act high and mighty
when you are actually good, its another you are absolutely terrible. They cant afford to give up players when the roster is already devoid of talent.
The people at the helm have absolutely no plans, no direction whatsoever, they are just reacting to whatever transpires this week. Do they think this is actually going to please the fans?
I think Ogletree should have been waived after the bullshit excuse he made after the OT touchdown on Monday. I would cheer him getting cut today.
Jackrabbit should not have been brought back last year. He should have been disciplined/demoted after giving up on plays last year.
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Alec Ogletree liked Jackrabbits best newz Tweet. Interesting.
Basically, these guys want to get cut. Because it's such a shitshow. And they aren't good enough to fix it, so I don't blame them. Ogletree will be cut, he will sign elsewhere for way less and he'll be somewhat productive.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions....
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you work at McDonalds, and you call someone retarded on your personal twitter account, and the manager happens to find out, you probably won't get fired
No but if you call one of the customers in line a retard you would be fire
Well myself and staff have been called a retard and a lot of other names in formation by my battalion commander and he is now a General so your logic does not apply all the time
during practice?. I'm sure that didn't sit well and the conversation about it afterwards may have gotten heated. Just a shame they couldn't have got something for him.
seem to always have more of the drama. When they hire a true leader of this team who commands respect teaching and leading them to win we will see less of these issues imo.
And just coincidentally get to save 2.5 million on JJ's salary this year.
But I'm sure that 2.5 million played no role in the decision to cut him
Only if he is claimed on waivers which he likely won't. We will then have to pay him an injury settlement to complete the process. So while we may save on the remaining salary, the injury settlement will likely be close to what would have been owed.
I forgot about the loophole of being waived on a Friday. The waiver claim is extended through Monday at the close of business. Hence, we still will have to pay his weekly game check that is due on Sunday. So that will leave 2 outstanding game checks. We will only get relief if he is claimed. If not, the injury settlement will be the final 2 remaining game checks or else JJ can claim termination pay which he is entitled to the remaining pay.
So either way, we are paying him unless someone claims him. Not many injured players are claimed so we will still be on the hook. JJ will get paid - ( New Window )
and say that he didn't mean to offend anyone and that rabbit loves everybody or something? and yet he is cut over this?
and i really can't believe there are people on this site conflating calling someone a retard with calling someone a nig*er. just mindblowing to me than anyone can be this sanctimonious.
some pathologically oversensitive easily butthurt pussies out there for sure.
i wasn't jenkins biggest fan but he was easily the best corner on the team and has certainly played better than anyone gettleman has brought in, even with the occasional business decision. bethea, beal, baker, haley, ogletree, mayo are all hot garbage.
i shudder to think what happens in this offseason because over the last five plus years mara has shown himself to be incompetent in every capacity.
Him and the coach or coaching staff are at odds and so ... just jettison him and help the tanking. Because yes he did apologize ....
RE: RE: I'm surprised there are nearly 400 posts on this.
Ha, yeah... I kinda' am. I mean, this is a guy that pretty much everybody wanted unanimously cut at seasons end. He did something really stupid by a. responding in anger to a fan, b. using a pretty uncool word, and c. then doubled down and refused to apologize.
This is all pretty cut and dried, right? They cut him a few games early to avoid all the headaches that this would surely bring.
He should have been cut 2 years ago after the Niner game. Watching him basically quit and make business decisions in that game killed some of my fandom. I was just sitting there asking myself why did I pay all this money to go to the game and watch ungrateful millionaire not even care.
RE: I'm surprised there are nearly 400 posts on this.
comments to offend groups to get the hell out of here! LOL
Saquon - "Fuck the Midget community"
Danny Dimes - "If I ever see a Polar Bear Im gonna break out my Shotgun"
Eli - "Im using plastic bags regardless of the brown bag regulation"
RE: It wasn't the smarted thing for Jenkins to tweet...
And another reason athletes should stay off of Twitter all together, but the beat immediately demanding Jenkins' release and then getting their wish over a word he apologized for twice and explained himself over is maddening.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
^^^ Are we going to see a beat writer get banned for going political?
To a overrated asshole. Don't let the door hit you in the fucking ass. If he was called an inappropriate name, could you imagine the hullabaloo. Couldn't admit he was wrong, but he did a great job training up our young cornerbacks didn't he. Please get rid f this asshole Gettleman, get rid of him tomorrow. He is a fucking disgrace.
RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions....
comments to offend groups to get the hell out of here! LOL
Saquon - "Fuck the Midget community"
Danny Dimes - "If I ever see a Polar Bear Im gonna break out my Shotgun"
Eli - "Im using plastic bags regardless of the brown bag regulation"
Well played
RE: RE: It wasn't the smarted thing for Jenkins to tweet...
And another reason athletes should stay off of Twitter all together, but the beat immediately demanding Jenkins' release and then getting their wish over a word he apologized for twice and explained himself over is maddening.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
^^^ Are we going to see a beat writer get banned for going political?
Dan Benton is not a beat writer. He just recycles everyone elses stuff and sprinkles in a bit of sensationalism and misquotes for clicks.
RE: RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions....
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
He was AT PRACTICE at the time. Pretty sure that's not his own time.
RE: RE: RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions....
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you work at McDonalds, and you call someone retarded on your personal twitter account, and the manager happens to find out, you probably won't get fired
If you work at McDonalds and you're tweeting while you're at work, you could get fired without uttering a single offensive word.
no one who works at mcdonalds is going to get fired
for tweeting at work. do you really think fast food restaurants have a zero tolerance policy about cell phone use while on the job? have you ever worked at or been to a fast food restaurant?
also, wasn't jenkins getting treatment for an injury when he was on his cell phone? it's not like he was in the middle of running coverage drills.
also hilarious that this happens the day after POTUS trolls a 16 year old girl with aspergers.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions....
If you work at McDonalds and you're tweeting while you're at work, you could get fired without uttering a single offensive word.
Have you been to a McDonalds lately, Mr. HighBrow? No one is getting fired for being on their phone at work at a McDonalds. You think Dirty John Hustle is gonna fire Jimmy for being on his phone when there's a line out the door during rush hour? No.
RE: I'm surprised there are nearly 400 posts on this.
If you work at McDonalds and you're tweeting while you're at work, you could get fired without uttering a single offensive word.
Have you been to a McDonalds lately, Mr. HighBrow? No one is getting fired for being on their phone at work at a McDonalds. You think Dirty John Hustle is gonna fire Jimmy for being on his phone when there's a line out the door during rush hour? No.
I just want to thank you for recognizing my highbrow status. It goes unnoticed far too often.
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
He was AT PRACTICE at the time. Pretty sure that's not his own time.
What does t matter??? He could have been at home after work tweeting.
He represents the company he works for, and they can fire him if he says stupid crap they don't like.
is a dangerous thing. I understand we can hurt people with our words, but his mention of It's in his culture is understandable, albeit old. As kids, we often said that. Many of us never stopped.
At what point do we stop offending people? What is the line? I understand words against races and such, bad history there. But "retard"? Anyone from New York or a big city probably used it to mean Moron, Jerk off, or the like.
Can you imagine getting fired over jokingly saying "I wish I never got married"?
Just give it time...
It will offend someone.
For the record, I was hoping we'd trade him to a team that could use him for a playoff run. Not great, but on a good team, he would probably be a decent add.
We also released JJ to increase our chances of losing. DG knows he is our best CB, so take him away should allow teams to pass against us even more. Besides, Im pretty sure Gmen didnt want to pay JJ 11 million next year so he was going to be gone anyhow after the season, so why not now instead?
We also released JJ to increase our chances of losing. DG knows he is our best CB, so take him away should allow teams to pass against us even more. Besides, Im pretty sure Gmen didnt want to pay JJ 11 million next year so he was going to be gone anyhow after the season, so why not now instead?
DG knows what he is doing.
yes, it's all part of gettleman's plan to lose more. things are really falling into place now.. rebuild the rebuild!
is a dangerous thing. I understand we can hurt people with our words, but his mention of It's in his culture is understandable, albeit old. As kids, we often said that. Many of us never stopped.
At what point do we stop offending people? What is the line? I understand words against races and such, bad history there. But "retard"? Anyone from New York or a big city probably used it to mean Moron, Jerk off, or the like.
Can you imagine getting fired over jokingly saying "I wish I never got married"?
Just give it time...
It will offend someone.
For the record, I was hoping we'd trade him to a team that could use him for a playoff run. Not great, but on a good team, he would probably be a decent add.
I just found out your not allowed to refer to someone as him or her - must be gender neutral -
We are a society of victims and also a society of people who are offended.
RE: RE: I put this on the time to tank thread as well
We also released JJ to increase our chances of losing. DG knows he is our best CB, so take him away should allow teams to pass against us even more. Besides, Im pretty sure Gmen didnt want to pay JJ 11 million next year so he was going to be gone anyhow after the season, so why not now instead?
DG knows what he is doing.
yes, it's all part of gettleman's plan to lose more. things are really falling into place now.. rebuild the rebuild!
Gettleman and Shurmur have found their calling. Teams who want to lose in order to get a high pick will be calling them for jobs next year.
This franchise is an utter embarrassment. Wasting another asset. I guess Gettleman gets really offended when he hears the word retarded because usually its used to describe his asset allocation model.
Shurmur and Gettleman are the front guys. I think his status would have been discussed in the off season. Probably not back, but not a slam dunk. The smarter move, was to trade him (and Engram) at the deadline.
I liked the Rabbit, but I am fine if they are done with him. That said, why not just either IR him, suspend him, or if that is not allowed simply make him inactive for the last three games? You could trade him for something once the window reopens.
It sends the same message - actually better cause he cannot hook onto a contender this year - and gets the Giants some kind of return.
I know you would still have to pay him - but wouldn't the return you get in the trade (4th or 5th round pick) be worth the $1.8 million you save?
I liked the Rabbit, but I am fine if they are done with him. That said, why not just either IR him, suspend him, or if that is not allowed simply make him inactive for the last three games? You could trade him for something once the window reopens.
It sends the same message - actually better cause he cannot hook onto a contender this year - and gets the Giants some kind of return.
I know you would still have to pay him - but wouldn't the return you get in the trade (4th or 5th round pick) be worth the $1.8 million you save?
Read my posts above (Just CTRL F and search my handle). JJ will still get paid. Our only chance of saving the money is if he is claimed. Not many players are ever claimed when waived with injury designation.
As alluded to in Shurmur's PC transcript, it was a decision from the Top Down. Mara/Tisch made the decision and everyone is on board. It just wasn't the singular use of the word and then not apologizing. His actions were cumulative with the final decision coming to a head with the latest action.
RE: Tomorrow you'll see 25 other NY Giants players make inappropriate
I wonder what the union will think about the Giants putting a guy on injury waivers, and in the same breadth admitting it wasn't an injury decision, but a behavior decision.
I wonder what the union will think about the Giants putting a guy on injury waivers, and in the same breadth admitting it wasn't an injury decision, but a behavior decision.
The waiver action was due to his behavior. But because he was injured, he must carry the designation. It is about an open disclosure to other teams that might consider making a claim so they know that he currently has an injury. It doesn't stop a team from making a claim. But rather if we chose to waive him and hide the injury (don't know how as he was on the injury report) and another team claimed him only to realize that he was injured, the league would look to penalize the Giants. Because you don't just claim a player but also their existing contract. In JJ's case, there is no more guaranteed money. But the possibility that a player's contract still contains guaranteed money and would be claimed only to discover an injury that new club would be on the hook for the guarantees.
With the injury designation, the CBA also protects the player. If JJ goes unclaimed, he reverts back to us at which time we have 5 days to agree to an injury settlement. If no injury settlement is agreed upon, then he will go on IR and can not be released from IR until he can pass a physical.
I liked the Rabbit, but I am fine if they are done with him. That said, why not just either IR him, suspend him, or if that is not allowed simply make him inactive for the last three games? You could trade him for something once the window reopens.
It sends the same message - actually better cause he cannot hook onto a contender this year - and gets the Giants some kind of return.
I know you would still have to pay him - but wouldn't the return you get in the trade (4th or 5th round pick) be worth the $1.8 million you save?
Read my posts above (Just CTRL F and search my handle). JJ will still get paid. Our only chance of saving the money is if he is claimed. Not many players are ever claimed when waived with injury designation.
As alluded to in Shurmur's PC transcript, it was a decision from the Top Down. Mara/Tisch made the decision and everyone is on board. It just wasn't the singular use of the word and then not apologizing. His actions were cumulative with the final decision coming to a head with the latest action.
Thanks Diver! All my years here, I did not know about the cntl F feature. My main point was: Why not keep him until we can trade him? Short term "Punishment" with IR, a suspension, or deactivation on game day. You can claim the high moral ground after you trade him. This is the better way particularly if he gets paid anyway.
I liked the Rabbit, but I am fine if they are done with him. That said, why not just either IR him, suspend him, or if that is not allowed simply make him inactive for the last three games? You could trade him for something once the window reopens.
It sends the same message - actually better cause he cannot hook onto a contender this year - and gets the Giants some kind of return.
I know you would still have to pay him - but wouldn't the return you get in the trade (4th or 5th round pick) be worth the $1.8 million you save?
Read my posts above (Just CTRL F and search my handle). JJ will still get paid. Our only chance of saving the money is if he is claimed. Not many players are ever claimed when waived with injury designation.
As alluded to in Shurmur's PC transcript, it was a decision from the Top Down. Mara/Tisch made the decision and everyone is on board. It just wasn't the singular use of the word and then not apologizing. His actions were cumulative with the final decision coming to a head with the latest action.
Thanks Diver! All my years here, I did not know about the cntl F feature. My main point was: Why not keep him until we can trade him? Short term "Punishment" with IR, a suspension, or deactivation on game day. You can claim the high moral ground after you trade him. This is the better way particularly if he gets paid anyway.
The decision was made my Mara/Tisch to distance themselves from him. It wouldn't surprise me if we learned corporate sponsors applied pressure. The SJW on Twitter likely threatened to boycott the corporate sponsors. By severing ties (if he goes unclaimed, the injury settlement will be the remaining 2 games (he is still paid this Sunday)), then the questions on JJ's actions will recede quicker than if we retain his rights.
By the way, the CTRL F feature is the only way that I can find where I left off on some of these lengthy threads.
RE: RE: Tomorrow you'll see 25 other NY Giants players make inappropriate
Forget about him as football player for a sec.He got kicked off his team for using in print a feather-weight slight insult to a stranger -- one easy to dismiss, commonplace, and pretty inoffensive. A 1, max, on a scale of 10. Where does this tyranny of political correctness not reach? Take away a guy's career and paycheck for this? WHAT?!!!
is a fucking asshole. Good riddance to bad rubbish. It's called having empathy. Apparently that's too much to ask of the BBI mob mentality. Not that that's a surprise.
woulda been the same crowd complaining how they cant use the N-Word anymore all those years ago. Times change, so does acceptable behavior. I dont know why this is so hard to understand. Some of you mischaracterize political correctness to the point of parody. You know what youre saying is bs, but you say it anyway. Maybe its the alternative facts timeline were living in right now. I know that at my job, I couldnt go around calling people Retard and expect to keep my job. And sure, I did used to say it when joking around with my friends...when I was a kid. Thats the difference, maybe some of you never grew up or maybe some of you still see no problem with using these terms as an insult, but maybe you should take around and realize that its time to get with the times because it aint Levittstown in the 1970s and nobody gives a fuck where you grew up.
despite the people who are offended by it, which ironically aren't the disabled ones but rather parents and family members, are as bad as the fat idiots that carry a gun in a holster in public because they can and the feel like it's their right. They don't have to, but they just do it.
Well, when your idiot idol can stand up and mock a handicapped
Do you really think either would ever use that term?
I wouldn't be surprised if both of them have used the word before. I suspect lots of people use hurtful words in moments of bad judgement.
I don't believe the Giants cut Jenkins today out of some deep care for the disabled community and the hurtfulness of what Jenkins said. If a player in better circumstances with the team said something similar, I don't believe he's cut.
I think they cut him because he's a declining, overpaid, troublesome player.
That Jenkins or some fans don't think an insensitive remark is a tragedy is not a lack of common decency.
He said something insensitive, and if the team wanted to retain him, the standard team authored press release would have ensued.
And you know what? Odds are that they have said it....
it a joking manner, or privately among friends, or as kids.
But there is such a thing as professionalism, and that's where Jenkins crossed the line. I don't know why that's so hard for people to understand.
Neither is right. But perhaps understanding why it's not professionally acceptable will help us understand, and teach the next generation, why it's not privately acceptable either.
And I'm about as anti-social media, anti-cancel culture as they come.
But as a school teacher, I understand. Perhaps a lot more than some of you do.
By your own admission they're cutting him regardless. He's overpaid and underperforming.
So they cut him three weeks early because it was the last straw, and they're not going to let that slide?
Big deal. Instead, we have people on here now calling Gettleman and Shurmur retards, and proclaiming (basically) that they'll call whomever they want a retard.
Meanwhile, a poster that put it out there on this thread that he has a special needs kid and the term bothers him, sits there and reads it all.
That's not cool with me. That's not cool at all or something I want to participate in. And I've been biting my tongue on it all goddamn day while these idiots have a field day over it.
That's not cool with me. That's not cool at all or something I want to participate in. And I've been biting my tongue on it all goddamn day while these idiots have a field day over it.
Your personal objections to the language others use is certainly your right. You have recourse to both confront and report posters if your sensibilities have been offended.
My POV is about the dysfunction, inconsistency, and lack of foresight by the management of the organization.
It appears you've combined your perspective on posters and the football topic into some your posts and feelings.
say this... this is yet ANOTHER example why any smart celebrity should simply not open a Twitter account.
Agree 100% Jack off Dorsey is a retard
PC will destroy anything like retard is so offensive
Give me a break I liked JJ warts and ALL I hope he
catches a playoff ride and DG should have moved him
same with Engram oh well Good Luck JJ
but repeatedly losing football games and blowing leads due to failing to make any in-game adjustments whatsoever and extending your career record as a HC to 17-45 is not a fireable offense.
I hate this whole idea that as long as we have a bunch of boyscouts in the locker room our "culture" is healthy and our team is good, as though that's what the true "Giant way" is and always has been.
The "Giant way" has nothing to do with being the nicest guy possible (although sure it's plus if you are a nice guy off the field, don't get me wrong)...
The Giant Way, at least when we've won super bowls in the past, has been about ferocious pass rush, hard-nosed smashmouth football, strong power running game, "crazed dogs" running around with no mercy hitting people in the mouth with no fear and no regard for legacy or who's favored to win the game (see: the ways we beat the crap out of Montana and Brady and their respective teams).
THAT is what we should be focused on getting back to, not just bringing in the guys who "know the right things to say".
And to be honest the 49ers current defense looks the closest to any past championship Giants defense than any other team in the league right now, which is why I keep bringing up Robert Saleh (and his staff) as potential new coaching staff.
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say this... this is yet ANOTHER example why any smart celebrity should simply not open a Twitter account.
Agree 100% Jack off Dorsey is a retard
PC will destroy anything like retard is so offensive
Give me a break I liked JJ warts and ALL I hope he
catches a playoff ride and DG should have moved him
same with Engram oh well Good Luck JJ [/quote
Jesus Christ, have your kids teach you how to use some fucking punctuation before you try to make an argument on the internet ever again.
RE: I don't give a shit about Jenkins at this point, honestly.
I'm actually a lot more upset with this thread than I am anything Jenkins related.
I don't give a crap about Jenkins either...
But we have seen far worse behavior in the past from Giant's players that didn't result in an action like this.
If this was something that was building up, then the team knew this was coming. Why not trade him sooner. I'm sure they could have gotten at least a 5th and probably a 4th.
We all know there have been issues with him in the past. I mean not returning to work in '17 was worse as far as professionalism than this. My issue here, is the lack of foresight on behalf of the team.
As far as all this faux outrage, where is it when we see far far far worse on this board 100 times a day. How come that is condoned by so many on here including yourself, and now all of a sudden you are outraged that people here don't care about a player using that term.
I wouldn't do it. I find it offensive. But I have been consistent on this issue. And while I believe the team should take public disciplinary action, releasing a player for this behavior is extreme compared to other behaviors that don't get this treatment. It is incongruous to say the least.
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
He was AT PRACTICE at the time. Pretty sure that's not his own time.
What does t matter??? He could have been at home after work tweeting.
He represents the company he works for, and they can fire him if he says stupid crap they don't like.
Ok is it me or is this so not an issue? He was looking at the door at the end of the season anyways as far as most was concern. His performance over the past two years.... Cmonnnn!! It's time to rebuild with new blood, and with those who performance warrants it! Sorry, if he goes, thank you, really, thank you; should've got a pick or trade GM, but I'm not throwing the red flag for a re-judgement call on this one!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: This site has really lost track of some common decency.
that's also what's really surprising with this thread.
Do you believe Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley would be cut for using that term?
Do you really think either would ever use that term?
Bingo. Been wanting to say that all day.
Fairly humorous, how people project their own mental outlook unto their favorite players. I would be willing to bet both Jones and Saquon have used that term and many other words proscribed by PC nation, such as "ho" or other such terms
Neither one would be DUMB enough to use the r word on social media, and if they did, they certainly would have apologized.
I'll even go a step further and bet that you two have at one time used the "r word" or referred to a woman as a "skank" or talked about a woman's body. In fact, I'm sure if we scanned your posts here for the last 10-15 years we would find many words and expressions forbidden by PC nation.
despite the people who are offended by it, which ironically aren't the disabled ones but rather parents and family members, are as bad as the fat idiots that carry a gun in a holster in public because they can and the feel like it's their right. They don't have to, but they just do it.
The word idiot, by definition, is just as insulting to people with mental disabilities as the word retard.
"Idiots.Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
There are people on this board that have a wide variety of experiences that informs their world view. His example was parent who have special needs children. On just about any issue, there are folks who have had experiences for which we should all have respect.
Our society/country has held up, venerated, and certain moral values. I think we all understand this, and what those values are. If you are going to be a person who says that they are adhering to those values, then you must adhere to them all the time, in every aspect of your life. If you adhere to them only when it's convenient for you, and not when it's inconvenient, then you have no morals. We actually had a poster on here say "Personal responsibility is a slippery slope". That should be a gobsmacking quote to every single person. It shows just how far we have fallen here on BBI and what we willing to accept. And if BBI is a microcosm of society, then our society is no different. If nobody believes in being personally accountable, then there are no norms, no standards, and no boundaries for human behavior. Furthermore, adhering to moral behavior, not only applies to managing your own behavior, it applies to how you react to the behavior of others. We are all human, we all transgress, when we do, not only must we accept responsibility we must also accept being held accountable by other members of society. In turn, when others transgress, it is imperative that we don't silently give a pass, if we do we become enablers of dysfunctional behaviors, allowing them the fester and grow.
If you take exception to what Jenkins said, and all of us should take exception, then there should be some accountability. But if you take exception to that, then you need to take exception to similar forms of dysfunctional behavior everywhere, including accepting responsibility for your own. It's hard, but that is how we build a great society that endures, one that we pass on to our children.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure plenty of you are going to be angry with me, saying that I am too preachy. Frankly I don't care what you think of me. Despite the accusations towards me of some posters, I do not need BBI's affirmation. I realize that I am probably tilting at windmills, but I live by the morals I am professing. That means I cannot remain silent. If you respond angrily to these words, then I am not speaking to you anyway. If you want to tell me to F off, so be it, it says more about you than about me. However, I do hope that what I write is food for thought for the rest.
RE: RE: The people that insist on using this word...
despite the people who are offended by it, which ironically aren't the disabled ones but rather parents and family members, are as bad as the fat idiots that carry a gun in a holster in public because they can and the feel like it's their right. They don't have to, but they just do it.
The word idiot, by definition, is just as insulting to people with mental disabilities as the word retard.
"Idiots.Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
Stop, now youre just being disingenuous for the sake of it.
RE: RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions....
Used language in a public space they felt (and I agree) was offensive. They reviewed the language and their position with the employee and asked their employee to apologize publicly.
The employee essentially said he was apologizing because he was told to, but did not think the language was offensive. Essentially, it was a non apology.
Everyone makes mistakes, but we have to live with the consequences. In this case the employee was fired not for his language, but for disregarding the direction given by his employer. Not the first time for this particular employee.
I personally am fine with this move by the Giants. Good luck to Jackrabbit, hope he continues with his career and is successful.
For whatever reason. Acted like a douche in interview. Just too bad we didnt trade him at the deadline. Time to see Beal and Baker at CB. Hopefully they play well last 3 games along with Love and Bsllentine. Could be the preview of a good secondary along with Peppers for the next 4 to 5 years.
One can only hope.
RE: RE: The people that insist on using this word...
despite the people who are offended by it, which ironically aren't the disabled ones but rather parents and family members, are as bad as the fat idiots that carry a gun in a holster in public because they can and the feel like it's their right. They don't have to, but they just do it.
The word idiot, by definition, is just as insulting to people with mental disabilities as the word retard.
"Idiots.Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
It's pretty simple. There really isn't a need to refer to anyone as an idiot, stupid, etc etc. If we disagree with someone so much that we are using insults then perhaps it's best to disengage. Now, I have violated what is written above, perfection isn't required or even possible, but if we truly believe in a philosophy then we will hold close to it, and when we violate our chosen way we will certainly know. Apologies go a long way, both for the one apologizing and the one receiving. I am quite experienced in apologizing.
And this topic is news for a team that has very little to discuss that is positive at the moment. And even if there was, this still is topical news about one of its starting players. So its somewhat eye-rolling anybody is surprised the thread has so many hits.
What's not surprising is an NFL player said something hurtful in a heat-of-the-moment instant tweet message. And its certainly not surprising posters on this board have varying opinions about it. And I guess its not surprising that yet even others on this board want to project their own with a bit of a sanctimonious message for the rest...
We are all human, we all transgress, when we do, not only must we accept responsibility we must also accept being held accountable by other members of society. In turn, when others transgress, it is imperative that we don't silently give a pass, if we do we become enablers of dysfunctional behaviors, allowing them the fester and grow.
This is the basis for everything from the Inquisition to the Salem Witch trials to Fascism to the "re-education" of Maoism.
Perhaps the system of accountability by other members of society could include forgiving trespasses by others and the principle that the punishment should fit the crime.
I remember the days when almost anything could be discussed
on BBI. Some great posts from people with differing views.
Not allowed anymore - FOOTBALL SITE.
Somewhat ironic in the age of instant/excess information that things are more confused, muddled and constructive conversation between those with differing views has almost stopped completely or loses coherence - repeating cliche' or talking points and not communicating.
RE: RE: RE: The people that insist on using this word...
"Idiots.Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
Stop, now youre just being disingenuous for the sake of it.
He isn't being disingenous. This is why this is frustrating. All these words; morons,idiots,dumb, imbecile have actual medical roots. At what point do we say well these are offensive to stupid people? How do you call someone acting like an idiot without offending people with low IQs.
I had to do an exposition class in college that focused on case studies and disabilities and we had to do one on the use of retard. I understand the argument, but this is a very slippery slope and I hate the policing of language. I feel like we may need another famine or world war so we can focus on things that are truly problematic.
RE: I remember the days when almost anything could be discussed
on BBI. Some great posts from people with differing views.
Not allowed anymore - FOOTBALL SITE.
Somewhat ironic in the age of instant/excess information that things are more confused, muddled and constructive conversation between those with differing views has almost stopped completely or loses coherence - repeating cliche' or talking points and not communicating.
I've been on this site for over 20 years now and I'm in my early 30's. I learned so much from people like Bill2 it really is incredible. Kind of sad we can't have things like that because it denigrates into apes throwing shit at each other.
Free speech warrior changes tune now that he wants to get claimed
It's not the original offense that is the issue. It is the lack of understanding that the term he used is really not acceptable anymore. His failure to "get it" is the problem.
I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of McL's post - just not this part. BBI is not a great representation of our country as a whole. And on some days, when there is a particular brutal string of comments here, having the understanding that BBI is an uneven cross section of our society is actually what gives me hope.
stuff from a losing lazy and incompetent org.
Mentioned already, we knew he needed to go long ago
squandered trade op, then the owners jump on this tweet
to save face as they do not want to be discussed on Sunday
NFL pregame shows. He has probably done worse.
These cowards could use it like any politician to justify the need
for Shurmur or Gettleman coming back
these guys really need to sell the team. Hoping Tisch sells his piece to put pressure on do nothing Mara. Get some aggressive guys in here that commit to winning and know how to balance that with guys that are not from Norte Dame.
folks in real life use these words regardless of right or wrong.
Social engineering is ruining this country, present you will have
the police state you desire with no 1st amendment rights
folks in real life use these words regardless of right or wrong.
Social engineering is ruining this country, present you will have
the police state you desire with no 1st amendment rights
He was cut because he was signed by Jerry Reese and Gettleman apparently has an issue with anything that smacks of Reese. In addition, dumping Jenkins clears cap space. The Giants reason the season is already a lost cause, so who cares? DG apparently thinks that he can find equivalent CB value for less money.
Where have you been all week?
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Should have traded him for whatever pick they could have gotten before the deadline.
Should have traded him when they could.
It's the Jets guys who go bowling
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No.
Dude might be more of a problem than Shurmur and Shurmur is atrocious. So what does that make DG?
Engram.
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Why is management and football operations determining what's best for the franchise at this point? Are they stepping down and letting competent people replace them?
Curious if they are trying to void the contract for conduct detrimental to the team or something along those lines.
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I have the same reaction as you.
Hes a solid cover guy but hes a liability in run support. Not great when you look around the league and see all of the dominant run teams who will be in the playoffs.
Best fit would probably be SF with Sherman being banged up.
DRC, Apple, Collins all found their way out of here shortly thereafter. Because of salary and the depth chart, Jenkins became more of necessity than those other guys but he was a shit stirrer and his play the last few years never matched what he did in 2016.
When I listened to the cut-ups of his explanation/apology yesterday after what he said, I had a moment where I actually thought to myself "what the hell is this guy still doing on this team?" and here we are.
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And/or he did not apologize? If that's the primary reason, this team is more than a joke
I have the same reaction as you.
My assumption is that the team was getting heat. Radio shows were talking about it. They work with the special olympics who knows what they were saying behind scenes. They told him to apologize and he didnt. I dont think it warranted a release but we have lost 9 in a row this team doesnt need any more negative press on them
I think he would have been cut after the season anyway, so I'm not all torn up about doing it now after what transpired this week. I'm sure there were other things that went on during the season that we are not fully aware of and this was the final nail in the coffin.
sucks, figured he would still be on team next year.
let the kids play!
^This. He wasn't going to be here next year, and we were already out of contention by the trade deadline, so why not trade him? They apparently also refused to listen to trade offers for Engram. The Giants are extremely stubborn.
You beat me to it...classic Pats move.
I'm thinking Seattle too.
Total clown show in the Meadowlands.
Here, here to that
Jackrabbit wasnt in the plans for 2020 anyway. Why not move him at the deadline for draft pick(s)?
Gettleman continues to show he has no idea that draft capital is the #1 tool for a rebuilding club. Releasing players that could have netted picks is almost as bad as trading picks for veterans or bundling picks to move up in the draft.
This is independent of whether the players picked were the correct players as well.
Were going to suck forever.
Spags in KC.
If we thought the back-end of the defense was bad before, we ain't seen nothing yet.
He was a high salary, low performance player who simply became more trouble than he's worth for a team playing out the stretch of another dead season.
I don't think anyone believes the comments are the sole reason. But put them with his total lack of apology for it, and his calling out the coaching staff and that was that.
I'm curious though. Can he be picked up at this point by a playoff team? I don't believe so.
He's sailed under the radar most of his career for that.
It's obvious - a 4th and 6th for Ogletree, a 3rd and 4th for Williams.
The Giants hate draft picks.
If anyone knows, please share
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
How does that effect his trade value? We don't know for sure. The twitter stuff is just icing on the cake, added to his outspoken stuff about the DC not letting him go with the best WR.
He probably wasn't going to be back next year with his salary.
This is addition by subtraction. Young kids will get more PT for better or worse.
maybe he WAS part of the plan in 2020?? then he called a fan(you know someone who brings in rev for giants) a retard and doesnt apologize. he is childish as shit. my only issue with this is, how did we not know sooner he was a pain in the ass? he clearly is a malcontent
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Ha Ha! Love this answer on both the literal as well as pop-culture levels.
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Ripped for starting a thread on how Jenkins wasnt a high character guy. He was kicked off a university of Florida team that was ok with Aaron Hernandez, seems like I might have been right
He's sailed under the radar most of his career for that.
He got popped for misdemeanor marijuana possession, what a piece of shit!
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exactly my thought. he probably was, but then he acts like a jerkoff and calls someone retarded and doesnt apologize or see how its ignorant so giants were like okay bye, we dont need that.
let the young kids play
Organization is a joke!
Ding. Ding.
well that too. i am sure something else happened behind closed doors
We do save about $11 million on the cap with only $3.5m dead money. You can bring him back at his level of play for the $14.5m or so, but releasing him probably always made more sense given the investment in young players at the position.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
Because who needs draft picks, right?
This is not an accomplishment.
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Ding. Ding.
Except the head coach just said it was the reason. So there's that.
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God, what a douche
His instagram is pretty tame. What are you referring to?
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Should have traded him for whatever pick they could have gotten before the deadline.
Maybe no one was interested.
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exactly my thought. he probably was, but then he acts like a jerkoff and calls someone retarded and doesnt apologize or see how its ignorant so giants were like okay bye, we dont need that.
let the young kids play
That stuff doesn't mean anything. He didn't get arrested. He didn't get busted snorting lines of a hooker's ass. He used the 'r' word on twitter. BFD.
As for what this team needs...it needs competent football play at many positions, and Jenkins provided that at the CB position.
I can't imagine the Seahawks releasing a guy for stupid shit like this, for example. When you are a football team that cares about the opinions of SJW's and let that dictate your football personnel decisions...you are officially lost.
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He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
Eric, I'm with you all the way about this.
However, the Giants do have to be sensitive about what corporate sponsors might think about what he said. Furthermore, as said many times on this thread yesterday was probably nothing more than the straw that broke the camel's back.
Between his salary, performance, calling out the coaches, Jenkins had this coming.
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He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
100% agree. I guess as a society we have come to expect melodramatic apologies and empty promises to never do such-and-such again.
They're shooting to bring back 15 years of bad football
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He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
I agree with you. There were plenty of other reasons to trade or cut him. Letting the punt hit the ground and roll to the 1 against the Bears. Or when Alshon Jeffrey got hurt and JJ stopped playing. Jackrabbit? More like Jackass.
Until the Williams trade, I was positive Gettleman was coming back. After that, the Shurmur and staff disaster and now this, I think it's likely he's gone too.
Maybe he's trying for #1 and a trade down. Because they have so many holes, their roster looks like a slice of swiss cheese
IN
THE.
ACTUAL.
PHUCQUE.
It is becoming increasingly difficult to be a fan of this franchise.
Correct. And even with the tweet, there's more too it than the language he used. The tweet was done during practice while he was getting treatment, at a time when he shouldn't have been tweeting. The coach spoke to him about it and judging by the fact he didn't apologize for it, I can't see the conversation with Shurmur having gone well. This is also the same guy that's complained about coaching recently(though I agree with his points) and has made some "business decisions" during games. Best guess is they weren't going to keep him for 2020 anyway and they made the decision having him around the young players was a detriment to their development.
They still should have traded him at the deadline, or put him on IR and traded him in the off season, but I don't expect much more from our FO at this point.
Could have dealt him for a pick!!
Can blame DG, he was a Reese signing. But I agree there were plenty of other legit reasons to cut him.
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He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
100% agree. I guess as a society we have come to expect melodramatic apologies and empty promises to never do such-and-such again.
+1
Why should he kowtow to these people? These people DO NOT actually care about what he said. They care that they can get outraged about something and cause a stink and affect someone's life that doesn't think like them. FUCK THOSE PEOPLE.
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Maybe he's trying for #1 and a trade down. Because they have so many holes, their roster looks like a slice of swiss cheese
Id be down for that as well. Win-win situation. Only way we lose is if we have to take a tackle at 3 or 4
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Ripped for starting a thread on how Jenkins wasnt a high character guy. He was kicked off a university of Florida team that was ok with Aaron Hernandez, seems like I might have been right
He's sailed under the radar most of his career for that.
He got popped for misdemeanor marijuana possession, what a piece of shit!
Nobody cares about that, even though he got kicked off the team for it. He's just a generally gross person. He went on twitter to call terelle pryor a "shit eater" a few years ago. He used to post all sorts of grimy shit on social media.
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just about a tweet - you're undoubtedly wrong
Ding. Ding.
Except the head coach just said it was the reason. So there's that.
I really don't take much stock in what comes out of Shurmur's mouth anymore...
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It was clear he pissed off the team. It is his MO. I'd bet Tisch and Mara had enough. He wasn't going to be there next year whether this regime is there or not. Does it really matter that he is gone now or in January?
It means nothing and Jackrabbit was most likely not going to be a Giant in 2020 anyway, no matter who the head coach or GM is. What pisses me off is that we didn't sell him when we got the chance and instead bought an unrestricted free agent in a wasted season.
Let's see if Beal and Baker can handle the starting jobs for the rest of the season.
The Giants have now become a franchise that Eli's dad would've told him not to go to in 2004.
Hot take. A guy gets kicked off the football team isn't a high character guy? Talk about breaking news!
Why not? This is a big win for JJ, if I was on this shit team and I had talent I'd be calling Shurmur a fucking retard on twitter. Oh you're going to release me? Oh no I guess I'll go win a superbowl now and bling for the rest of my life.
Our best corner, playing in a shit scheme, surrounded by inept coaching and guys who are rookies was the least of our problems. Our front office is horrible.
Please, fire everyone.
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just about a tweet - you're undoubtedly wrong
Ding. Ding.
Except the head coach just said it was the reason. So there's that.
I really don't take much stock in what comes out of Shurmur's mouth anymore...
on what basis? you may not think he's good coach but now he's a full throated liar too? the timelines seems overwhelmingly against your point.
And honestly, as much as an insensitive thing as it was that he said, talk about getting bent over by this PC culture. My friends and I used to call each other retards in jest, and meant no harm by it, and certainly it was no intentional shot at those with mental issues. Would we say it today? No. I honestly think Jenkins meant the same but he has the eloquence of a doorknob and probably ABd his way out of here, the same way Shurmur got played by Petersen to burn a timeout.
So we make a bad football move, because he didnt apologize? What the fuck. He didnt beat anyone. Caused no serious harm. He had beef w a guy on twitter. BFD.
Before the last few years players were probably calling each other shit like this and far worse on the field, and in front of teammates and officials.
Such a joke.
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He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
Eric, totally agree, his explanation shouldve been enough!
That's really not saying much, based on the talent level here.
He is also mercurial, as we have seen recently.
He is tone deaf as well, he doesn't get it.
That's been one of the biggest black eyes on the franchise in recent years. Inexcusable in every which way.
Now they get nothing for him.
This team is brutal, and I'm about ready to check out. The league sucks anyway.
Definitely
Who is offending people with disabilities? No one is targeting the mentally handicapped, at all. But hey, I guess I missed Sensitivity Training.
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He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
Eric, totally agree, his explanation shouldve been enough!
He wasn't talking to his 'homeboys' back home,
he made comments on twitter, major difference.
In today's world, it's going to get attention, that's it.
Fuck DG and timid ass Shurmur.
This is a failure of leadership from Murmur, too.
Now they get nothing for him.
This team is brutal, and I'm about ready to check out. The league sucks anyway.
100% agreed. This is embarrassing.
Now they get nothing for him.
This team is brutal, and I'm about ready to check out. The league sucks anyway.
This is a failure of leadership from Murmur, too.
Who is going to trade for an injured player?
Fuck DG and timid ass Shurmur.
+1 Thanks you.
And we don't need a tired retread like McCarthy or Rivera. No more "Giants Way," because the "Giants Way" gets us 1964-1981 and 2012-2019 (with the interceding years being the result of George Young being forced on the team by the NFL).
When you're the laughingstock of the league, you need to clear everything out and start over.
As a few people on here have said, this team needs to be treated as an expansion team, and whoever the new coach and GM are need a clean palate.
Thats probably why he likes twitter so much. He has a forum where he has the intellectual high ground on other people.
It saves them about 8 mill. next season. I think they would have moved him after the season, if they didn't do it now.
Lighten up Francis
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Set himself to play wherever he wants now, and dopey Gettleman gets nothing.
This is a failure of leadership from Murmur, too.
Who is going to trade for an injured player?
see Jalen Ramsey
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He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
Yeah, thats how I talked with my friends too.
When I was 16. Jenkins and I are the same age.
Then I grew up. Id suggest Janoris do the same. Its not that hard. Next time call the guy a dumb ass.
...messed up team looks like.
And make nooooooooooo mistake about it:
The Giants are a messed up football franchise.
And the mess will continue for years.
Depend upon it.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
Do we know of any teams inquiring before the deadline?
He may get picked up now but was any already in the playoff team going to give up a draft choice for a guy who quits on plays and was easy to pick on this year when a decent Qb decided to do so?
Im not sure he would have gotten even a 6th slot. Any team knew he was a goner at the end of the year and any team lookin for an edge in the playoffs would not consider this years play as an edge they wanted to pay draft slots for.
imo
How about fixing the fucking OL?
They worry about this stupid stuff. If it meant so much, you already know Jenkins was kind of a dick, but he could play. So unload him before the trading deadline, get some kind of pick that might be used to bolster the OL. Or trade him directly for some decent OL depth.
This is the 1970s all over. Total incompetence from top to bottom.
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That's really not saying much, based on the talent level here.
He is also mercurial, as we have seen recently.
He is tone deaf as well, he doesn't get it.
we're not asking him to lead society forward. we're asking him to cover wide receivers. being "tone deaf" seems like like a low bar. would nick bosa fit under it?
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I see this and think Shurmer and Gettleman are coming back.
Definitely
Then we're F'ed beyond belief.
We now need to sign a top CB in free agency this year. Byron Jones $$$$
Knowing the way their doings lately wouldn't put it past them, I'd hope it was bc of culmination of things (moving on anyhow and etc)..but you never know with these clowns
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
Dan - he did NOT appologize. He gave the explanation that the word is part of his "culture" and slang he uses all the time with his "homeboys"
Can you imagine the reaction if a player gave the similar excuse for using "n****r" or "fag"
It's just part of my culture?
Get the fuck out of here
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It's the Jets guys who go bowling
In the old days, when someone was unceremoniously canned or fired people would quip "Adios Mother F****er".
On a sound defense he's still at worst a #2 corner.
Fuck you
think about how many times we call something or someone "dumb".
i predict that in the near future, we are going to have to scratch that word off the list of things we can say as well. since, technically, dumb is a disability of not being able to speak.
so for all you guys who are saying "how could he ever use the R word, he's a clown. you use the word dumb everyday....society just hasn't made this term/word offensive yet
But I was exaggerating and venting which is my normal BBI mode. I didn't really think we'd ever see the 1970's again and yet here we are. This really is just as bad if not worse than the Wellington years.
Let's see what Tisch is willing to fight for because if this mess is left to John and Chris Mara we aren't close to coming out the other side.
If Gettleman stays and they hire Rivera we'll know Tisch doesn't care enough to fight and he'll just keep cashing the checks and look away.
Do we know of any teams inquiring before the deadline?
He may get picked up now but was any already in the playoff team going to give up a draft choice for a guy who quits on plays and was easy to pick on this year when a decent Qb decided to do so?
Im not sure he would have gotten even a 6th slot. Any team knew he was a goner at the end of the year and any team lookin for an edge in the playoffs would not consider this years play as an edge they wanted to pay draft slots for.
imo
I'm not sure. But I would think they could have gotten something.
We now need to sign a top CB in free agency this year. Byron Jones $$$$
precisely. there were lesser measures to punish this conduct that would have been more appropriate - given the info we know now.
thats what i was thinking
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Then I grew up. Id suggest Janoris do the same. Its not that hard. Next time call the guy a dumb ass.
ahhh, i just posted about calling someone dumb. that's offensive too bro. but society hasn't made a big fuss about it yet.
Dumb is a disability as well (not being able to speak). So its ok to offend someone who can't speak, but not ok to offend someone with mental retardation.
you're not as grown up as you think buddy
Jenkins wasn't what he was, but it's not like anyone else was playing better. Good grief.
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And another reason athletes should stay off of Twitter all together, but the beat immediately demanding Jenkins' release and then getting their wish over a word he apologized for twice and explained himself over is maddening.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
Dan - he did NOT appologize. He gave the explanation that the word is part of his "culture" and slang he uses all the time with his "homeboys"
Can you imagine the reaction if a player gave the similar excuse for using "n****r" or "fag"
It's just part of my culture?
Get the fuck out of here
He apologized twice. First on Twitter and then again yesterday. It just didn't suffice with today's blood-letting PC crowd.
No apology in 2019 is ever good enough, which is exactly why he refused to repeat himself 300 times. It never would have mattered.
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shows the number of people who really don't care about offending people with disabilities along with their friends and families.
Who is offending people with disabilities? No one is targeting the mentally handicapped, at all. But hey, I guess I missed Sensitivity Training.
If you don't get why families who have family members with disabilities might be offended by this then I don't know what to tell you. It's not thought about a lot, but it is absolutely considered an offensive word by people who have family members with disabilities.
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At least it improves our chances for CY.
thats what i was thinking
DG is playing Parcheesi while we're playing Pictionary in the sand.
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I see this and think Shurmer and Gettleman are coming back.
Definitely
Then we're F'ed beyond belief.
I don't think this says one thing or the other about the future of Gettleman or Shurmur. Fucking McAdoo made one of the most important decisions in Giants history and benched Eli, saying that "we're all in agreement." Soon thereafter, he was fired.
It means nothing and Jackrabbit was most likely not going to be a Giant in 2020 anyway, no matter who the head coach or GM is. What pisses me off is that we didn't sell him when we had the chance and instead "bought" an unrestricted free agent in a wasted season.
Really. WTF does that mean?
But to get no value from him is just another dumb business move in a long list of dumb business moves.
Who's first? :)
And? What's going to happen? We're going to lose more games? We haven't won a game since we landed on the Moon.
If you're one of these people nowadays who's clamoring for equality and complaining about privilege, and/or you're a woman or some kind of minority - and you're making excuses for Jenkins...that makes you a full blown hypocrite.
These people with special needs deserve as much respect as anyone else. This is no different than if he had slut-shamed a woman on twitter or used the "n" word and wasn't sorry about it.
Should have dumped him at the deadline.....he's wasn't part of the future and certainly isn't now LOL
Who's first? :)
Like Sy's bitch? :)
Unfortunately the Giants created this culture after ridding the team of the "cultural toxicities" from the Jerry Reese era (Collins, Snacks, Apple, Odell, etc.). Turns out DG and ownership created this culture on their own.
Fact is that this is a bigger indictment on the org than it is on jackrabbit. No doubt that jackrabbit is immature and maybe a bit of an idiot for engaging a fan like that on social media; but it is embarrassing that the Giants org is trying to make a statement here to deflect accountability from this dumpster fire of a team.
If you're one of these people nowadays who's clamoring for equality and complaining about privilege, and/or you're a woman or some kind of minority - and you're making excuses for Jenkins...that makes you a full blown hypocrite.
These people with special needs deserve as much respect as anyone else. This is no different than if he had slut-shamed a woman on twitter or used the "n" word and wasn't sorry about it.
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I anxiously await the line of apologies coming my way for all the names I was called around here a few years ago.
Who's first? :)
Like Sy's bitch? :)
Pretty sure that was on the kinder end of the spectrum. haha!
Unfortunately the Giants created this culture after ridding the team of the "cultural toxicities" from the Jerry Reese era (Collins, Snacks, Apple, Odell, etc.). Turns out DG and ownership created this culture on their own.
Fact is that this is a bigger indictment on the org than it is on jackrabbit. No doubt that jackrabbit is immature and maybe a bit of an idiot for engaging a fan like that on social media; but it is embarrassing that the Giants org is trying to make a statement here to deflect accountability from this dumpster fire of a team.
100% Agreed
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For me personally, its not so much that he said it - its that he didn't even care and used "his culture" as an excuse.
If you're one of these people nowadays who's clamoring for equality and complaining about privilege, and/or you're a woman or some kind of minority - and you're making excuses for Jenkins...that makes you a full blown hypocrite.
These people with special needs deserve as much respect as anyone else. This is no different than if he had slut-shamed a woman on twitter or used the "n" word and wasn't sorry about it.
Exactly.
Its the right move. Hes overpaid, on the wrong side of 30, and makes way too many business decisions when he has to make a tackle. This is the same guy who quit in 17 when things went south. One of the last remnants of Reeses loser spending spree in 16.
I do agree he shouldve been moved before the trade deadline, but who knows if there was even a market for him.
Baker and Beal will probably start so no more platooning
2) The fact he tweeted during practice.
If he was going to be cut after the season, then whatever. Might as well do it now and not risk him helping us win another game.
The question is - who is the one that made the decision?
You can still get on Gettleman for not trading him before the deadline, but that is independent of the ignorant punk Jenkins is.
Yes it's the right move, and it has nothing to do with being PC.
I like Jenkins as a player *most* of the time. However, it was clear he gave up on several plays this year. Those are not the type of vets we want on this team.
He'll definitely help another team in the playoffs this year, but i think its a goood for us to move on from him and focus on developing our younger guys. Maybe next year we can bring in a Sam Madison type player to lead our CBs.
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Then I grew up. Id suggest Janoris do the same. Its not that hard. Next time call the guy a dumb ass.
ahhh, i just posted about calling someone dumb. that's offensive too bro. but society hasn't made a big fuss about it yet.
Dumb is a disability as well (not being able to speak). So its ok to offend someone who can't speak, but not ok to offend someone with mental retardation.
you're not as grown up as you think buddy
Okay, dude.
He apologized twice. First on Twitter and then again yesterday. It just didn't suffice with today's blood-letting PC crowd.
No apology in 2019 is ever good enough, which is exactly why he refused to repeat himself 300 times. It never would have mattered.
was it the "pc blood letting crowd" or what it giants' ownership and management? they moved quite fast for the "pc blood letting crowd" to do any actual blood letting.
Seems like he wins going from Giants to whichever playoff team grabs him.
You can still get on Gettleman for not trading him before the deadline, but that is independent of the ignorant punk Jenkins is.
i don't think you should call someone a "punk"
that's offensive to gay people
thissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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He apologized twice. First on Twitter and then again yesterday. It just didn't suffice with today's blood-letting PC crowd.
No apology in 2019 is ever good enough, which is exactly why he refused to repeat himself 300 times. It never would have mattered.
was it the "pc blood letting crowd" or what it giants' ownership and management? they moved quite fast for the "pc blood letting crowd" to do any actual blood letting.
Did you miss the wave of 75 articles yesterday demanding Jenkins be released for being so "wildly offensive?"
Don't think he ever played another game for them. It did take more than 2 days to cut Brown though.
Giants arent winning anymore games anyway
Honest question, do YOU have a friend or family member with Down Syndrome or similar mental retardation?
Because I do. And you don't speak for me. This is not offensive to me, and the family member I have who has Down's is cherished by our family.
Do we know of any teams inquiring before the deadline?
He may get picked up now but was any already in the playoff team going to give up a draft choice for a guy who quits on plays and was easy to pick on this year when a decent Qb decided to do so?
Im not sure he would have gotten even a 6th slot. Any team knew he was a goner at the end of the year and any team lookin for an edge in the playoffs would not consider this years play as an edge they wanted to pay draft slots for.
imo
Bill you know what is better than having one cover corner? Two. It enables you to do so much defensively its like a whole new game. Guys that can cover like JJ can are valuable, even if it would only would have netted a 5th 6th round pick.
Everyone should.
At this point, Shurmur is equivalent to Mr. Burns mischief monkey; doing all the dirty work.
The Jints Central crowd see hes injured, and his comments and calling out the DC and whatever else is going on, and its a message to the public and to current roster that the wheels are off the season, but theyre not going to let this turn into a free for all. If they wanted to keep him they easily could have lined up behind him and released a statement that his explanation showed he understood it was inappropriate but he wasnt trying to offend, yadda yadda yadda.
I also suspect that Jenkins was not afraid (maybe even wanted) to get out of here. So hes not going to say sorry, and if the team asked him too Im sure he was happy to tell them to stick it.
Seems like he wins going from Giants to whichever playoff team grabs him.
Haha, this just in: Saquon says he hates puppies and babies
Lmao damn...
I think that you can have issues or even be mortally offended about a single word without demanding capital punishment.
What is missing so much in this times is a sense of proportion that even approaches reasonableness.
i have a neice with special needs. so first off, my heart goes out to you because i see how tough things can be at times.
i'm also in my 40s and my friends and I used to call each other every word in the book.
so i get where he's coming from and i get where you're coming from
it is an insensitive thing to say. without a doubt. but people say insensitive shit all the time. this is a business and the objective is win. there are other ways to address conduct an organization does not want besides firing people. even if that is their right.
Mindblown.
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Its the right move. Hes overpaid, on the wrong side of 30, and makes way too many business decisions when he has to make a tackle. This is the same guy who quit in 17 when things went south. One of the last remnants of Reeses loser spending spree in 16.
I do agree he shouldve been moved before the trade deadline, but who knows if there was even a market for him.
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He apologized twice. First on Twitter and then again yesterday. It just didn't suffice with today's blood-letting PC crowd.
No apology in 2019 is ever good enough, which is exactly why he refused to repeat himself 300 times. It never would have mattered.
was it the "pc blood letting crowd" or what it giants' ownership and management? they moved quite fast for the "pc blood letting crowd" to do any actual blood letting.
Did you miss the wave of 75 articles yesterday demanding Jenkins be released for being so "wildly offensive?"
i didn't miss the governor of virginia persevering through a much greater shitstorm for a much greater period of time. did you?
Why would anyone be offended by fuck, you fucking fuck?
recently passed away after 65 years. I never once found the R word offensive when I heard it and I never thought it applied to my Aunt when I did. That's just me tho..
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special needs child, I have issues with what he said.
I think that you can have issues or even be mortally offended about a single word without demanding capital punishment.
What is missing so much in this times is a sense of proportion that even approaches reasonableness.
I agree with this. Every situation is different. And every situation should be evaluated. I mean, even murder has different different degrees.
If Jenkins apologized, I think he should have stayed. But what we don't know is what happened in those conversations with management (I haven't read all the details - perhaps we do).
But is there a chance Jenkins had a FU attitude with the Giants, maybe they said enough of this and you're gone..............someone did say something about him calling out the DC.
You shouldn't be because Tark10 said no one should be.
But in all seriousness, my heart goes out to you. All the best to you and your child. Stay strong
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shows the number of people who really don't care about offending people with disabilities along with their friends and families.
Honest question, do YOU have a friend or family member with Down Syndrome or similar mental retardation?
Because I do. And you don't speak for me. This is not offensive to me, and the family member I have who has Down's is cherished by our family.
Maybe he doesn't, but I do. And what I find most offensive is Jenkins lack of remorse. I hear people say that word all the time. It bothers me but I also understand most people say it without malicious intent or are just ignorant about how offensive it can be. So I usually ignore it. But when someone points out to you why its wrong and your response is essentially, "its just part of my culture" and "if you're offended by it thats your problem" - I take issue with that.
Vanzetti FTW
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just about a tweet - you're undoubtedly wrong
Ding. Ding.
Except the head coach just said it was the reason. So there's that.
I really don't take much stock in what comes out of Shurmur's mouth anymore...
on what basis? you may not think he's good coach but now he's a full throated liar too? the timelines seems overwhelmingly against your point.
Full throated liar? No, that's a conclusion you jumped to.
Why don't I take much stock in what comes out of his mouth? 90% of the time I hear the guy talk all I hear is excuses, he doesn't own up to poor decisions during the games and tends to fill his interviews with a lot of lip service. In other words I feel like he says what he needs to in order to get his interviews over with as fast and easy as possible.
-- Traded a 3rd and 5th so we could pay an solid DT, who hasn't had a sack in a year, a minimum of $17M on the franchise tag.
-- Apparently scoffed at a first rounded for Evan Engram.
-- Didn't trade Jackrabbit when there was an obvious market for corners, and have now released him with no compensation.
-- And it won't get into not trading Tate, or not trading LC last year, etc.
Resume Dave. Everyone's lovable GM.
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special needs child, I have issues with what he said.
I think that you can have issues or even be mortally offended about a single word without demanding capital punishment.
What is missing so much in this times is a sense of proportion that even approaches reasonableness.
I agree with this. I also want to ask sshin05, and believe me, I greatly respect anyone raising a child with special needs (God bless you), but do you not see that the context of how he said what he said isn't targeting special needs people.
I look at it like almost like I look at words like "root". I could use it to describe the part of the tree, or I could say, let's get to the root cause of something. I don't think the word has to be taken just one way.
That said, I make an effort not to use the 'r' word in the way Jenkins did. Because I know it's disrespectful. But I am not offended. And I don't understand people who would give it any power over them because someone is a bit ignorant to use that word in that way.
The people that offend me more are the people that call for someone's job over stupid stuff like this. Those people are really bad people inside intending harm on others they don't believe share all of their values. These people are ugly and they are a pox on our society.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Come this year, he gets the doors blown off him the first few weeks, and the staff adjusts his role to not be the primary cover on no. 1 receivers. He's been much better the last 10 weeks, better than he's been for 2+ years.
Jenkins should have never been paid 15M last year, this year, and certainly not next year. He was something like the 4th highest paid corner in the NFL.
Jenkins has been a jerk since college. He was suspended by this team in 17 for being a jerk. When the GM was babbling about culture this offseason, then kept a jerk who had a dogshit year last year, and was the a top paid player at his position, I laughed out loud.
Of course this happened. Of course this happened to the Giants.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Lebron James didnt get fired for calling someone retarded
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
You think Barkley would be getting fired if he called someone that on Twitter? Lolol.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
-- Traded a 3rd and 5th so we could pay an solid DT, who hasn't had a sack in a year, a minimum of $17M on the franchise tag.
-- Apparently scoffed at a first rounded for Evan Engram.
-- Didn't trade Jackrabbit when there was an obvious market for corners, and have now released him with no compensation.
-- And it won't get into not trading Tate, or not trading LC last year, etc.
Resume Dave. Everyone's lovable GM.
You continue to show yourself as one of the more disgusting posters on this site.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you work at McDonalds, and you call someone retarded on your personal twitter account, and the manager happens to find out, you probably won't get fired
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
I mean, all of your examples are clearly different from this in that they really were done in the course of doing business.
And thread/
2) I am sure there are more issues here than just that tweet...BUT
3) anyone who thinks this is just a DG call is fooling themselves. Mara is pissed for sure and with all other negative stuff right now, this one is the one that reaches the public beyond football fans.
4) DG and Shurmur are gone.. Have to believe the pot is boiling right now and one will be fired the other will step aside.
5) Jlukes take on this is the best so far. Trying to explain why you say something that has become akin to some other very offensive tags (race wise, sexuality wise) just says yeah sorry I was caught. PLUS- the tweets happened while practice was going on. Injured or not, he was at the facility and thus should not have been tweeting anything.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
Does it matter? It's just like you going on your personal Facebook page and posting something offensive. If your company sees it, they can fire you.
I mean.....I've had HR courses that tell you this.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
While true, football players have never been expected to use clean language and never have. And this was on Twitter.
I honestly don't really care about the move that much.
What I really care about was the motivation of the move. Was Jenkins cut because of the media outrage or because he said what he said. If it was the former, this franchise is lost, and I expect it was.
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
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we had a spectacular outcome at trade deadline:
-- Traded a 3rd and 5th so we could pay an solid DT, who hasn't had a sack in a year, a minimum of $17M on the franchise tag.
-- Apparently scoffed at a first rounded for Evan Engram.
-- Didn't trade Jackrabbit when there was an obvious market for corners, and have now released him with no compensation.
-- And it won't get into not trading Tate, or not trading LC last year, etc.
Resume Dave. Everyone's lovable GM.
You continue to show yourself as one of the more disgusting posters on this site.
Gee, why now?
I really don't take much stock in what comes out of Shurmur's mouth anymore...
on what basis? you may not think he's good coach but now he's a full throated liar too? the timelines seems overwhelmingly against your point.
Full throated liar? No, that's a conclusion you jumped to.
Why don't I take much stock in what comes out of his mouth? 90% of the time I hear the guy talk all I hear is excuses, he doesn't own up to poor decisions during the games and tends to fill his interviews with a lot of lip service. In other words I feel like he says what he needs to in order to get his interviews over with as fast and easy as possible.
so you just said i jumped to a conclusion that you believe he's a full throated liar before then immediately going on to say you believe he's a full throated liar. nice
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
Yeh but the Giants used this as an opportunity to score brownie points which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
This might be the best post.......culmination of things, final straw.
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
This is true, however, him saying that and doubling down on it expedited the process.
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I really don't take much stock in what comes out of Shurmur's mouth anymore...
on what basis? you may not think he's good coach but now he's a full throated liar too? the timelines seems overwhelmingly against your point.
Full throated liar? No, that's a conclusion you jumped to.
Why don't I take much stock in what comes out of his mouth? 90% of the time I hear the guy talk all I hear is excuses, he doesn't own up to poor decisions during the games and tends to fill his interviews with a lot of lip service. In other words I feel like he says what he needs to in order to get his interviews over with as fast and easy as possible.
so you just said i jumped to a conclusion that you believe he's a full throated liar before then immediately going on to say you believe he's a full throated liar. nice
Not really, but fine
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Jenkins got fired because he was an extremely overpaid, declining, asshole who's time was coming.
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
Yeh but the Giants used this as an opportunity to score brownie points which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I tend to agree. It reeks of some PC odor...
Jints Central is looking for some good press these days. This is a nice distraction for them at least in the short term...
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
I worked with mentally disabled adults for a decade. It is reasonable for you have issues with the slur. But to deprive a man of his livelihood for being thoughtless and stupid on one occasion seems to be an over reaction. Talk to him. Send him to a class. But to fire him after he apologized makes it seem like there was more at play.
Because they're retarded?
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
Care to elaborate?
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Jenkins got fired because he was an extremely overpaid, declining, asshole who's time was coming.
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
This is true, however, him saying that and doubling down on it expedited the process.
EIf Jones, Barkley, Hernandez, Slayton, or really anyone of value on the roster said that on Twitter, they would apologize, the Giants would issue a a statement, and then off to getting trampled in the next game.
For all the rambling about culture this offseason, Jenkins has been a dope forever. Keeping him on the roster after he was abysmal on the field last year and a verified asshole since college, and Gettleman propping him up as some kind of mentor for rookies was rich.
-- Traded a 3rd and 5th so we could pay an solid DT, who hasn't had a sack in a year, a minimum of $17M on the franchise tag.
-- Apparently scoffed at a first rounded for Evan Engram.
-- Didn't trade Jackrabbit when there was an obvious market for corners, and have now released him with no compensation.
-- And it won't get into not trading Tate, or not trading LC last year, etc.
Resume Dave. Everyone's lovable GM.
Who offered a 1st for Engram?
I agree they should have just traded Jenkins but he was the only vet among the corners. He did it to himself.
Why would they trade Tate? LC it was obvious they wanted to re-sign.
Never change.
i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
Care to elaborate?
on what exactly?
That said, I really don't think the team should make football decisions based on what happens on Twitter.
he's reacting
Jenkins was probably the second best player on the team. Too bad his career took this turn.
...it's ridiculous.
Only idiot organizations like the Giants would make that move.
But the way the Giants approached this is just more laughingstock.
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we had a spectacular outcome at trade deadline:
-- Traded a 3rd and 5th so we could pay an solid DT, who hasn't had a sack in a year, a minimum of $17M on the franchise tag.
-- Apparently scoffed at a first rounded for Evan Engram.
-- Didn't trade Jackrabbit when there was an obvious market for corners, and have now released him with no compensation.
-- And it won't get into not trading Tate, or not trading LC last year, etc.
Resume Dave. Everyone's lovable GM.
Who offered a 1st for Engram?
I agree they should have just traded Jenkins but he was the only vet among the corners. He did it to himself.
Why would they trade Tate? LC it was obvious they wanted to re-sign.
It's not clear. I'm referring to information Eric has provided to BBI.
If I had to guess, I could see New England. They aren't exactly an offensive juggernaut this year...
That said, I really don't think the team should make football decisions based on what happens on Twitter.
agree. no problems if football/business decision lands on getting rid of him. when decision is based on this, then that speaks to management issues. which of course supports what we've all been saying for quite a while - our management sucks
That said, I really don't think the team should make football decisions based on what happens on Twitter.
You're right, but it was because of the very loud local and national media attention, and not the tweet IMO.
He probably should have just called that guy a moron,but who knows how many here would have been offended by that.
...it's ridiculous.
Only idiot organizations like the Giants would make that move.
Dude was going to be cut in the off-season.
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Makes no sense.
Where have you been all week?
On here but never thought he'd be released. Listening to Shurmur and especially Betcher everything was rosey. Disapointed they couldn't get a pick fo him.
Because at the time he hadn't done anything this offensive. The backlash Mara is facing between a shitty team and not firing him, plus this whole twitterific disaster why would Mara and the Giants hold onto a player especially when he shows no remorse for such offense...
More like why didn't the GM cut him after he had a worse season than BW Webb last year? Why didn't the GM cut him during his great crusade to clean up the culture of the team? Why did the GM declare Jenkins some kind of leader for the draft class?
You know why the Giants are the worst, these are the two clairvoyant sages running the shop.
Hell become a good teacher. I admire Janoris. Hes tough. Hes competitive, Shurmur added. He always answers the bell, and Ive gained a huge appreciation for him coaching him over the last year or so, and so just keep put all these young guys in a room with him, and I think Janoris will be Janoris, and if these young guys are smart enough to listen, then theyre going to learn a lot of really good stuff.
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I just scanned through the thread and no one corrected you. He is waived with in injury designation. All players whether they are a vested veteran or not when waived after the trade deadline are subject to waivers. If no one claims his contract, he reverts to our IR. At which time, we have 5 days to come to injury settlement. Once a settlement is reached, then he becomes a free agent. If no settlement is reached, then he remains on IR and must pass a physical to be released from IR.
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In comment 14717607 Britt in VA said:
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you work at McDonalds, and you call someone retarded on your personal twitter account, and the manager happens to find out, you probably won't get fired
No but if you call one of the customers in line a retard you would be fire
your
Instead he gets to go play for a contender.
This franchise is a horrific joke. Pretty much at my wits end with them.
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I just scanned through the thread and no one corrected you. He is waived with in injury designation. All players whether they are a vested veteran or not when waived after the trade deadline are subject to waivers. If no one claims his contract, he reverts to our IR. At which time, we have 5 days to come to injury settlement. Once a settlement is reached, then he becomes a free agent. If no settlement is reached, then he remains on IR and must pass a physical to be released from IR.
You are correct. But teams don't normally claim waived/injured players. Unless something bizarre happens, he will be free to sign with any team.
You're a pro football player, you were on your phone AT PRACTICE, and you insulted a fan for the entire world to see.
You represent the company, when you make thenm look bad you get the boot. Recognize that you're too high-profile to act this unprofessional in the public eye.
Yawn.
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special needs child, I have issues with what he said.
I worked with mentally disabled adults for a decade. It is reasonable for you have issues with the slur. But to deprive a man of his livelihood for being thoughtless and stupid on one occasion seems to be an over reaction. Talk to him. Send him to a class. But to fire him after he apologized makes it seem like there was more at play.
How is cutting him depriving him of a livelihood? He will sign with another team so how does this deprive him?
Unfortunately the Giants created this culture after ridding the team of the "cultural toxicities" from the Jerry Reese era (Collins, Snacks, Apple, Odell, etc.). Turns out DG and ownership created this culture on their own.
Fact is that this is a bigger indictment on the org than it is on jackrabbit. No doubt that jackrabbit is immature and maybe a bit of an idiot for engaging a fan like that on social media; but it is embarrassing that the Giants org is trying to make a statement here to deflect accountability from this dumpster fire of a team.
And if Saquon or Danny Jones did this, does anyone think they would have been released?
At least we can all breathe a sigh of relief knowing the franchise has adults in charge. Hey there "hog mollie" there's an adult in the room now.
...it's ridiculous.
Only idiot organizations like the Giants would make that move.
And only idiot fans wouldn't understand why it was made.
good point
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At least we can all breathe a sigh of relief knowing the franchise has adults in charge. Hey there "hog mollie" there's an adult in the room now.
You do understand this had nothing to do with football right? No? Well bless your little heart.
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Do we know of any teams inquiring before the deadline?
He may get picked up now but was any already in the playoff team going to give up a draft choice for a guy who quits on plays and was easy to pick on this year when a decent Qb decided to do so?
Im not sure he would have gotten even a 6th slot. Any team knew he was a goner at the end of the year and any team lookin for an edge in the playoffs would not consider this years play as an edge they wanted to pay draft slots for.
imo
Jenkins' whole jam has been being a moron on. Twitter. This is a guy who didn't come back to work after the bye week one year because the team sucked.
Who he survived the culture crusade is a joke.
But no, he had puppies to train. Thanks Dave.
From Shurmur's statement, it sounds like the Maras forced this.
I guess the only bright side of this, is that we got 1 step closer to Trevor Lawrence.
Don't talk, post or communicate in anyway and one may be ok.
This speaks volumes to the mindset and culture inside the locker room/behind the scenes - which really just backs up everyone's assumptions.
This team is in absolute shambles.
Not to mention there is going to be zero veteran leadership on this team next season. (Not that these are the guys you want, necessarily, but...)
GM and HC need to be shown the door at end of season
Mara's need to get out of day to day operations of this team
this franchise is a complete mess
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Could have traded him and got something for him, but nah, we're going to for a completely unrealistic playoff push instead.
At least we can all breathe a sigh of relief knowing the franchise has adults in charge. Hey there "hog mollie" there's an adult in the room now.
You do understand this had nothing to do with football right? No? Well bless your little heart.
Yeah because I totally said he was cut today because of football reasons. You stay strong with that strawman of yours big boy. It's doing wonders for you so far.
Jackrabbit should not have been brought back last year. He should have been disciplined/demoted after giving up on plays last year.
In comment 14717713 2ndroundKO said:
Don't talk, post or communicate in anyway and one may be ok.
Isnt that way worse than what Jenkins did on the PC Richter scale? Yet Mara had no problem with hiring DG
And I discovered this article by doing a simple google search on DG when Giants were considering hiring him. Iirc it was in a local Virginia paper.
Reese signed Jenkins.
This franchise is a mess.
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I just scanned through the thread and no one corrected you. He is waived with in injury designation. All players whether they are a vested veteran or not when waived after the trade deadline are subject to waivers. If no one claims his contract, he reverts to our IR. At which time, we have 5 days to come to injury settlement. Once a settlement is reached, then he becomes a free agent. If no settlement is reached, then he remains on IR and must pass a physical to be released from IR.
You are correct. But teams don't normally claim waived/injured players. Unless something bizarre happens, he will be free to sign with any team.
He'll be free to sign with any team after an injury settlement is reached or until he passes a physical from IR. The Giants can absolutely squat on his rights if they so choose to do so. I suspect they want to rid themselves of him either by being claimed or paying the injury settlement.
Instead he gets to go play for a contender.
This franchise is a horrific joke. Pretty much at my wits end with them.
Conduct Detrimental would almost certainly entail a grievance filed the Player's Union. Then they would go to arbitration to argument whether "free speech" on a private platform is reason for cause. The Giants likely just want to cut ties and rid him of the franchise. With him being injured, he has to have the injury designation on waivers. As I outlined above, there is a process that is outlined in the CBA. The team just can't "fire" him for ignorant comments on Twitter.
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For all the rambling about culture this offseason, Jenkins has been a dope forever. Keeping him on the roster after he was abysmal on the field last year and a verified asshole since college, and Gettleman propping him up as some kind of mentor for rookies was rich.
christian, he is a bit of a dope, but he can still play. His MO is that he is/can be very good when he wants to, when he's part of a competitive team with a goal to play for. That hasn't been the case for three years, so this was predictable.
But the way the Giants approached this is just more laughingstock.
agree CHP...
Best of luck to him, but he's an asshole.
Attitude is a reflection of leadership
Remember the Titans
It wasn't a no-brainer that he wasn't going to come back prior to this incident. Is it at all possible that Getty didn't trade him because there was a chance he would be here in 2020?
Also, let's not act like this was the first issue Jackrabbit has had during his entire tenure as a Giant. This was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation coupled with the money owed to him.
Even if the Giants did the right thing here, it came down to a cost benefit analysis.
It wasn't a no-brainer that he wasn't going to come back prior to this incident. Is it at all possible that Getty didn't trade him because there was a chance he would be here in 2020?
Also, let's not act like this was the first issue Jackrabbit has had during his entire tenure as a Giant. This was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation coupled with the money owed to him.
I think this is just being used as another reason to shit on the Giants because people have been so unhappy (rightfully so) with the team and what it's been doing for so long now that any reason to attack them is going to be pounced on. Granted it does seem like a ship without a rudder right now and hopefully things get fixed in a hurry this offseason.
I saw someone ask the question that if this would have been done to Saquon or Jones had they done the same thing. First off, they have more class than that, so that situation would not have presented itself. Second, even if they did do something like this, I highly doubt that they would have doubled down on their mistake with the "excuse" Jenkins used and then not apologized on top of it. Let's be clear, Jenkins never apologized, he just provided an excuse for saying it.
I firmly believe that if Jenkins had owned up to it and apologized, he would have played, or at least been on the roster, for the last 3 games and then been released.
I liked Jenkins, but he took too many plays off and/or made too many business decisions which seems to already have rubbed off on people like Baker. We don't need bad influences for some of the younger guys, especially highly drafted/talented ones, on the team.
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He's still playing well and provided a veteran presence at corner.
We do save about $11 million on the cap with only $3.5m dead money. You can bring him back at his level of play for the $14.5m or so, but releasing him probably always made more sense given the investment in young players at the position.
$3.5M of cap room now qualifies as "only" status? I guess it's "only" roughly the average salary for one of your top 51 players on a $180M roster.
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who should never have passed the filter. He flies under the radar because he's not as famous, but his social media was wild. Far worse than anything the disturbed individuals who policed odell beckham's instgram ever pretended to be outraged by.
Can blame DG, he was a Reese signing. But I agree there were plenty of other legit reasons to cut him.
Gettleman jettisoned nearly every player acquired by Reese, often for pennies on the dollar or nothing at all. So even though Reese was the one who signed Jenkins originally, now two years in and with ample opportunity to get rid of Jenkins if he wanted to (as DG did with nearly everyone else), DG choosing to keep JJ does give DG a certain share of culpability, especially when repairing the culture was one of DG's stated goals.
Why? Why ship out every talented player we have? Engram is worth more than he'd get back in a trade.
Why? Why ship out every talented player we have? Engram is worth more than he'd get back in a trade.
He can't even get on the field.
It wasn't a no-brainer that he wasn't going to come back prior to this incident. Is it at all possible that Getty didn't trade him because there was a chance he would be here in 2020?
Also, let's not act like this was the first issue Jackrabbit has had during his entire tenure as a Giant. This was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation coupled .
with the money owed to him.
His caphit would be 14.75 million. But his dead money is only 3.5
Giants will have an extra 11.25 cap space if they cut him. The contract is actually structured in a way that made it easy to release him the last season.
The Gettleman excuse machine is in full effect.
Gettleman had two opportunities to cut ties with Jenkins, and instead converted some salary to bonus in 18.
He then literally called Jenkins out as a leader this offseason and charged him with being a mentor and teacher to the group of young corners.
Jenkins was a perfectly easy contract to cut this year. And after being completely terrible at football last year, it's mind numbing Gettleman retained him.
This is a guy who didn't come back to work because he didn't feel like it in 2017.
Keeping Jenkins on the roster and paying him 12M this year makes Gettleman's "culture" charade s complete farce.
Of course this happened today.
It might be the worst thing that has happened to America.
@JjenkzLockdown
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Best news ever.. Thank you
Should have traded him for whatever pick they could have gotten before the deadline.
of course more hindsight. If we traded him for a 6th rounder, then DG was "fleeced" right?
But I'm sure that 2.5 million played no role in the decision to cut him
Yawn.
Why? Why ship out every talented player we have? Engram is worth more than he'd get back in a trade.
Engram is over rated. The guy gets hurt too much and he is a liability in the running game. I have no use for a guy who makes an occasional nice play but then hurts us on other plays.
All you need to do is look at a guy like Andrews on Baltimore. The guys does not have Engram's speed but he gets open and is an excellent blocker. He is simply a better tight end... period.
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i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
Care to elaborate?
on what exactly?
You said to the poster you don't understand what gets said in high performance work places, I was curious.
But I'm sure that 2.5 million played no role in the decision to cut him
Only if he is claimed on waivers which he likely won't. We will then have to pay him an injury settlement to complete the process. So while we may save on the remaining salary, the injury settlement will likely be close to what would have been owed.
people forget the creepy facts that came out during Strahan's divorce.
and i really can't believe there are people on this site conflating calling someone a retard with calling someone a nig*er. just mindblowing to me than anyone can be this sanctimonious.
some pathologically oversensitive easily butthurt pussies out there for sure.
i wasn't jenkins biggest fan but he was easily the best corner on the team and has certainly played better than anyone gettleman has brought in, even with the occasional business decision. bethea, beal, baker, haley, ogletree, mayo are all hot garbage.
i shudder to think what happens in this offseason because over the last five plus years mara has shown himself to be incompetent in every capacity.
But there's a team in your own division, who's team name is an offensive slur
what a world
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The comment was not litterally meant in those terms. Where is the rational common sense people!!!??? We release reformed criminals back into society everyday who have committed some horrific crimes yet we are going to villanize people and fire them for comments they have made in the heat of the conversation?!? I get the whole they should know better and you have to hold yourself to higher standards etc. but we are human beings! might as well let robots run the world! this is becoming ridiculous.
its not cancel culture. Jenkins messed up but it was his refusal to clean up the mess and even double down on the mistake that got him waived.
It's a textbook example of cancel culture.
Except I think the Giants were more motivated by the 2.5 million they are going to save in JJ's salary than they were by sensitivity to special needs individuals. After all, this is a team that plays the "Redskins" twice a year.
I sorta thought that too. But could it also be that we've always had this problem, and now there's just more attention in the information age that brings issues to the forefront that would otherwise be lost?
I get that a younger generation has issues. But there's plenty in that group that are good people.......hasn't our "younger generation" always had something going on? But today......it's magnified with social media.
The people at the helm have absolutely no plans, no direction whatsoever, they are just reacting to whatever transpires this week. Do they think this is actually going to please the fans?
if you were on a losing team .. wouldn't you want to bail ??
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It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Really. WTF does that mean?
DanBenton is brutal. A complete clown.
Jackrabbit should not have been brought back last year. He should have been disciplined/demoted after giving up on plays last year.
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Alec Ogletree liked Jackrabbits best newz Tweet. Interesting.
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In comment 14717607 Britt in VA said:
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you work at McDonalds, and you call someone retarded on your personal twitter account, and the manager happens to find out, you probably won't get fired
No but if you call one of the customers in line a retard you would be fire
Well myself and staff have been called a retard and a lot of other names in formation by my battalion commander and he is now a General so your logic does not apply all the time
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And just coincidentally get to save 2.5 million on JJ's salary this year.
But I'm sure that 2.5 million played no role in the decision to cut him
Only if he is claimed on waivers which he likely won't. We will then have to pay him an injury settlement to complete the process. So while we may save on the remaining salary, the injury settlement will likely be close to what would have been owed.
I forgot about the loophole of being waived on a Friday. The waiver claim is extended through Monday at the close of business. Hence, we still will have to pay his weekly game check that is due on Sunday. So that will leave 2 outstanding game checks. We will only get relief if he is claimed. If not, the injury settlement will be the final 2 remaining game checks or else JJ can claim termination pay which he is entitled to the remaining pay.
So either way, we are paying him unless someone claims him. Not many injured players are claimed so we will still be on the hook.
JJ will get paid - ( New Window )
Britt, are you really surprised?
and i really can't believe there are people on this site conflating calling someone a retard with calling someone a nig*er. just mindblowing to me than anyone can be this sanctimonious.
some pathologically oversensitive easily butthurt pussies out there for sure.
i wasn't jenkins biggest fan but he was easily the best corner on the team and has certainly played better than anyone gettleman has brought in, even with the occasional business decision. bethea, beal, baker, haley, ogletree, mayo are all hot garbage.
i shudder to think what happens in this offseason because over the last five plus years mara has shown himself to be incompetent in every capacity.
Him and the coach or coaching staff are at odds and so ... just jettison him and help the tanking. Because yes he did apologize ....
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Britt, are you really surprised?
Ha, yeah... I kinda' am. I mean, this is a guy that pretty much everybody wanted unanimously cut at seasons end. He did something really stupid by a. responding in anger to a fan, b. using a pretty uncool word, and c. then doubled down and refused to apologize.
This is all pretty cut and dried, right? They cut him a few games early to avoid all the headaches that this would surely bring.
Engram.
Yup. Getty is in so far over his head. I think he must have very little emotional intelligence. Seems like a real hair trigger guy.
This.
400!
Saquon - "Fuck the Midget community"
Danny Dimes - "If I ever see a Polar Bear Im gonna break out my Shotgun"
Eli - "Im using plastic bags regardless of the brown bag regulation"
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
^^^ Are we going to see a beat writer get banned for going political?
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
That can't be true. Allstarjim said that people don't get fired for saying this in the workplace.
Saquon - "Fuck the Midget community"
Danny Dimes - "If I ever see a Polar Bear Im gonna break out my Shotgun"
Eli - "Im using plastic bags regardless of the brown bag regulation"
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And another reason athletes should stay off of Twitter all together, but the beat immediately demanding Jenkins' release and then getting their wish over a word he apologized for twice and explained himself over is maddening.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
^^^ Are we going to see a beat writer get banned for going political?
Dan Benton is not a beat writer. He just recycles everyone elses stuff and sprinkles in a bit of sensationalism and misquotes for clicks.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
He was AT PRACTICE at the time. Pretty sure that's not his own time.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you work at McDonalds, and you call someone retarded on your personal twitter account, and the manager happens to find out, you probably won't get fired
If you work at McDonalds and you're tweeting while you're at work, you could get fired without uttering a single offensive word.
also, wasn't jenkins getting treatment for an injury when he was on his cell phone? it's not like he was in the middle of running coverage drills.
also hilarious that this happens the day after POTUS trolls a 16 year old girl with aspergers.
Have you been to a McDonalds lately, Mr. HighBrow? No one is getting fired for being on their phone at work at a McDonalds. You think Dirty John Hustle is gonna fire Jimmy for being on his phone when there's a line out the door during rush hour? No.
The Giants cut a player because he did something stupid, and you are surprised a lot of fans have an opinion about it?
This is a totally strange and unexpected development, of course fans have thoughts about it.
Would you expect the majority of members to read that headline and say, "Oh, cool."
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If you work at McDonalds and you're tweeting while you're at work, you could get fired without uttering a single offensive word.
Have you been to a McDonalds lately, Mr. HighBrow? No one is getting fired for being on their phone at work at a McDonalds. You think Dirty John Hustle is gonna fire Jimmy for being on his phone when there's a line out the door during rush hour? No.
I just want to thank you for recognizing my highbrow status. It goes unnoticed far too often.
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A listener who knows that I'm a Giants fan called within seconds of the story breaking.
The first thing out of this asshole's mouth was a horrific joke about Jenkins and the Special Olympics.
I hadn't heard the news yet, but had been following the story over the last few days.
I said something like,"thanks for the call," and hung up.
We recorded his call during a commercial break.
The guy I was working with asked me, "what the hell was that about?"
I checked BBI, was mildly shocked, and explained it to him and we shared a feeling of disgust in regard to the caller.
Obviously the call wasn't aired.
There's simply something wrong with a whole lotta people out there.
That said, there is more to this story than the tweet, and the stupid follow-up tweets (which could have been an,"oh yeah, then cut me" thing.)
The rest of the story will make its way to us posthaste.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
He was AT PRACTICE at the time. Pretty sure that's not his own time.
What does t matter??? He could have been at home after work tweeting.
He represents the company he works for, and they can fire him if he says stupid crap they don't like.
At what point do we stop offending people? What is the line? I understand words against races and such, bad history there. But "retard"? Anyone from New York or a big city probably used it to mean Moron, Jerk off, or the like.
Can you imagine getting fired over jokingly saying "I wish I never got married"?
Just give it time...
It will offend someone.
For the record, I was hoping we'd trade him to a team that could use him for a playoff run. Not great, but on a good team, he would probably be a decent add.
DG knows what he is doing.
DG knows what he is doing.
yes, it's all part of gettleman's plan to lose more. things are really falling into place now.. rebuild the rebuild!
At what point do we stop offending people? What is the line? I understand words against races and such, bad history there. But "retard"? Anyone from New York or a big city probably used it to mean Moron, Jerk off, or the like.
Can you imagine getting fired over jokingly saying "I wish I never got married"?
Just give it time...
It will offend someone.
For the record, I was hoping we'd trade him to a team that could use him for a playoff run. Not great, but on a good team, he would probably be a decent add.
I just found out your not allowed to refer to someone as him or her - must be gender neutral -
We are a society of victims and also a society of people who are offended.
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We also released JJ to increase our chances of losing. DG knows he is our best CB, so take him away should allow teams to pass against us even more. Besides, Im pretty sure Gmen didnt want to pay JJ 11 million next year so he was going to be gone anyhow after the season, so why not now instead?
DG knows what he is doing.
yes, it's all part of gettleman's plan to lose more. things are really falling into place now.. rebuild the rebuild!
Gettleman and Shurmur have found their calling. Teams who want to lose in order to get a high pick will be calling them for jobs next year.
It sends the same message - actually better cause he cannot hook onto a contender this year - and gets the Giants some kind of return.
I know you would still have to pay him - but wouldn't the return you get in the trade (4th or 5th round pick) be worth the $1.8 million you save?
It sends the same message - actually better cause he cannot hook onto a contender this year - and gets the Giants some kind of return.
I know you would still have to pay him - but wouldn't the return you get in the trade (4th or 5th round pick) be worth the $1.8 million you save?
Read my posts above (Just CTRL F and search my handle). JJ will still get paid. Our only chance of saving the money is if he is claimed. Not many players are ever claimed when waived with injury designation.
As alluded to in Shurmur's PC transcript, it was a decision from the Top Down. Mara/Tisch made the decision and everyone is on board. It just wasn't the singular use of the word and then not apologizing. His actions were cumulative with the final decision coming to a head with the latest action.
Saquon - "Fuck the Midget community"
Dude, little people is the acceptable nomenclature.
The waiver action was due to his behavior. But because he was injured, he must carry the designation. It is about an open disclosure to other teams that might consider making a claim so they know that he currently has an injury. It doesn't stop a team from making a claim. But rather if we chose to waive him and hide the injury (don't know how as he was on the injury report) and another team claimed him only to realize that he was injured, the league would look to penalize the Giants. Because you don't just claim a player but also their existing contract. In JJ's case, there is no more guaranteed money. But the possibility that a player's contract still contains guaranteed money and would be claimed only to discover an injury that new club would be on the hook for the guarantees.
With the injury designation, the CBA also protects the player. If JJ goes unclaimed, he reverts back to us at which time we have 5 days to agree to an injury settlement. If no injury settlement is agreed upon, then he will go on IR and can not be released from IR until he can pass a physical.
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I liked the Rabbit, but I am fine if they are done with him. That said, why not just either IR him, suspend him, or if that is not allowed simply make him inactive for the last three games? You could trade him for something once the window reopens.
It sends the same message - actually better cause he cannot hook onto a contender this year - and gets the Giants some kind of return.
I know you would still have to pay him - but wouldn't the return you get in the trade (4th or 5th round pick) be worth the $1.8 million you save?
Read my posts above (Just CTRL F and search my handle). JJ will still get paid. Our only chance of saving the money is if he is claimed. Not many players are ever claimed when waived with injury designation.
As alluded to in Shurmur's PC transcript, it was a decision from the Top Down. Mara/Tisch made the decision and everyone is on board. It just wasn't the singular use of the word and then not apologizing. His actions were cumulative with the final decision coming to a head with the latest action.
Thanks Diver! All my years here, I did not know about the cntl F feature. My main point was: Why not keep him until we can trade him? Short term "Punishment" with IR, a suspension, or deactivation on game day. You can claim the high moral ground after you trade him. This is the better way particularly if he gets paid anyway.
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I liked the Rabbit, but I am fine if they are done with him. That said, why not just either IR him, suspend him, or if that is not allowed simply make him inactive for the last three games? You could trade him for something once the window reopens.
It sends the same message - actually better cause he cannot hook onto a contender this year - and gets the Giants some kind of return.
I know you would still have to pay him - but wouldn't the return you get in the trade (4th or 5th round pick) be worth the $1.8 million you save?
Read my posts above (Just CTRL F and search my handle). JJ will still get paid. Our only chance of saving the money is if he is claimed. Not many players are ever claimed when waived with injury designation.
As alluded to in Shurmur's PC transcript, it was a decision from the Top Down. Mara/Tisch made the decision and everyone is on board. It just wasn't the singular use of the word and then not apologizing. His actions were cumulative with the final decision coming to a head with the latest action.
Thanks Diver! All my years here, I did not know about the cntl F feature. My main point was: Why not keep him until we can trade him? Short term "Punishment" with IR, a suspension, or deactivation on game day. You can claim the high moral ground after you trade him. This is the better way particularly if he gets paid anyway.
The decision was made my Mara/Tisch to distance themselves from him. It wouldn't surprise me if we learned corporate sponsors applied pressure. The SJW on Twitter likely threatened to boycott the corporate sponsors. By severing ties (if he goes unclaimed, the injury settlement will be the remaining 2 games (he is still paid this Sunday)), then the questions on JJ's actions will recede quicker than if we retain his rights.
By the way, the CTRL F feature is the only way that I can find where I left off on some of these lengthy threads.
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comments to offend groups to get the hell out of here! LOL
Saquon - "Fuck the Midget community"
Dude, little people is the acceptable nomenclature.
Hahahah
That right there, 5-10 years ago here? Would have stopped this thread in it's tracks.
Do you believe Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley would be cut for using that term?
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that's also what's really surprising with this thread.
Do you believe Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley would be cut for using that term?
Do you really think either would ever use that term?
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that's also what's really surprising with this thread.
Do you believe Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley would be cut for using that term?
Do you really think either would ever use that term?
Bingo. Been wanting to say that all day.
I wouldn't be surprised if both of them have used the word before. I suspect lots of people use hurtful words in moments of bad judgement.
I don't believe the Giants cut Jenkins today out of some deep care for the disabled community and the hurtfulness of what Jenkins said. If a player in better circumstances with the team said something similar, I don't believe he's cut.
I think they cut him because he's a declining, overpaid, troublesome player.
That Jenkins or some fans don't think an insensitive remark is a tragedy is not a lack of common decency.
He said something insensitive, and if the team wanted to retain him, the standard team authored press release would have ensued.
But there is such a thing as professionalism, and that's where Jenkins crossed the line. I don't know why that's so hard for people to understand.
Neither is right. But perhaps understanding why it's not professionally acceptable will help us understand, and teach the next generation, why it's not privately acceptable either.
And I'm about as anti-social media, anti-cancel culture as they come.
But as a school teacher, I understand. Perhaps a lot more than some of you do.
Even an old curmudgeon like me can see that.
So they cut him three weeks early because it was the last straw, and they're not going to let that slide?
Big deal. Instead, we have people on here now calling Gettleman and Shurmur retards, and proclaiming (basically) that they'll call whomever they want a retard.
Meanwhile, a poster that put it out there on this thread that he has a special needs kid and the term bothers him, sits there and reads it all.
That's not cool with me. That's not cool at all or something I want to participate in. And I've been biting my tongue on it all goddamn day while these idiots have a field day over it.
I'm the least bit shocked he said something stupid, and the least bit shocked he got cut today.
But I do take acception to the notion the Giants are some crusader for decency. That feels hollow and disingenuous.
Not for a minute do I believe the Giants would cut a good player for the same action.
I'm the least bit shocked he said something stupid, and the least bit shocked he got cut today.
But I do take acception to the notion the Giants are some crusader for decency. That feels hollow and disingenuous.
Not for a minute do I believe the Giants would cut a good player for the same action.
That may very well be true, but some people are acting like Jets fans on this thread, and we should be better than to condone shitbag behavior.
Good works folks
Clock out
C-ya tomorrow mornin.
Your personal objections to the language others use is certainly your right. You have recourse to both confront and report posters if your sensibilities have been offended.
My POV is about the dysfunction, inconsistency, and lack of foresight by the management of the organization.
It appears you've combined your perspective on posters and the football topic into some your posts and feelings.
Good works folks
Clock out
C-ya tomorrow mornin.
Indeed. Some much needed levity for this bullshit.
Agree 100% Jack off Dorsey is a retard
PC will destroy anything like retard is so offensive
Give me a break I liked JJ warts and ALL I hope he
catches a playoff ride and DG should have moved him
same with Engram oh well Good Luck JJ
I hate this whole idea that as long as we have a bunch of boyscouts in the locker room our "culture" is healthy and our team is good, as though that's what the true "Giant way" is and always has been.
The "Giant way" has nothing to do with being the nicest guy possible (although sure it's plus if you are a nice guy off the field, don't get me wrong)...
The Giant Way, at least when we've won super bowls in the past, has been about ferocious pass rush, hard-nosed smashmouth football, strong power running game, "crazed dogs" running around with no mercy hitting people in the mouth with no fear and no regard for legacy or who's favored to win the game (see: the ways we beat the crap out of Montana and Brady and their respective teams).
THAT is what we should be focused on getting back to, not just bringing in the guys who "know the right things to say".
And to be honest the 49ers current defense looks the closest to any past championship Giants defense than any other team in the league right now, which is why I keep bringing up Robert Saleh (and his staff) as potential new coaching staff.
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say this... this is yet ANOTHER example why any smart celebrity should simply not open a Twitter account.
Agree 100% Jack off Dorsey is a retard
PC will destroy anything like retard is so offensive
Give me a break I liked JJ warts and ALL I hope he
catches a playoff ride and DG should have moved him
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Jesus Christ, have your kids teach you how to use some fucking punctuation before you try to make an argument on the internet ever again.
I don't give a crap about Jenkins either...
But we have seen far worse behavior in the past from Giant's players that didn't result in an action like this.
If this was something that was building up, then the team knew this was coming. Why not trade him sooner. I'm sure they could have gotten at least a 5th and probably a 4th.
We all know there have been issues with him in the past. I mean not returning to work in '17 was worse as far as professionalism than this. My issue here, is the lack of foresight on behalf of the team.
As far as all this faux outrage, where is it when we see far far far worse on this board 100 times a day. How come that is condoned by so many on here including yourself, and now all of a sudden you are outraged that people here don't care about a player using that term.
I wouldn't do it. I find it offensive. But I have been consistent on this issue. And while I believe the team should take public disciplinary action, releasing a player for this behavior is extreme compared to other behaviors that don't get this treatment. It is incongruous to say the least.
I'm using it now and searched for "PC"
It came up 38 times... I guess 39, now.
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well said.
why are words weapons "more than ever", as opposed to say, 5-10 years ago? what a stupid take
They're all so pathetic. And they're so out-of-touch that they don't even see how weak their whining about "PC" makes them look.
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By the way, the CTRL F feature is the only way that I can find where I left off on some of these lengthy threads.
I'm using it now and searched for "PC"
It came up 38 times... I guess 39, now.
Hit Show All and then search.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
He was AT PRACTICE at the time. Pretty sure that's not his own time.
What does t matter??? He could have been at home after work tweeting.
He represents the company he works for, and they can fire him if he says stupid crap they don't like.
Ok is it me or is this so not an issue? He was looking at the door at the end of the season anyways as far as most was concern. His performance over the past two years.... Cmonnnn!! It's time to rebuild with new blood, and with those who performance warrants it! Sorry, if he goes, thank you, really, thank you; should've got a pick or trade GM, but I'm not throwing the red flag for a re-judgement call on this one!!
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that's also what's really surprising with this thread.
Do you believe Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley would be cut for using that term?
Do you really think either would ever use that term?
Bingo. Been wanting to say that all day.
Fairly humorous, how people project their own mental outlook unto their favorite players. I would be willing to bet both Jones and Saquon have used that term and many other words proscribed by PC nation, such as "ho" or other such terms
Neither one would be DUMB enough to use the r word on social media, and if they did, they certainly would have apologized.
I'll even go a step further and bet that you two have at one time used the "r word" or referred to a woman as a "skank" or talked about a woman's body. In fact, I'm sure if we scanned your posts here for the last 10-15 years we would find many words and expressions forbidden by PC nation.
The word idiot, by definition, is just as insulting to people with mental disabilities as the word retard.
"Idiots.Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
There are people on this board that have a wide variety of experiences that informs their world view. His example was parent who have special needs children. On just about any issue, there are folks who have had experiences for which we should all have respect.
Our society/country has held up, venerated, and certain moral values. I think we all understand this, and what those values are. If you are going to be a person who says that they are adhering to those values, then you must adhere to them all the time, in every aspect of your life. If you adhere to them only when it's convenient for you, and not when it's inconvenient, then you have no morals. We actually had a poster on here say "Personal responsibility is a slippery slope". That should be a gobsmacking quote to every single person. It shows just how far we have fallen here on BBI and what we willing to accept. And if BBI is a microcosm of society, then our society is no different. If nobody believes in being personally accountable, then there are no norms, no standards, and no boundaries for human behavior. Furthermore, adhering to moral behavior, not only applies to managing your own behavior, it applies to how you react to the behavior of others. We are all human, we all transgress, when we do, not only must we accept responsibility we must also accept being held accountable by other members of society. In turn, when others transgress, it is imperative that we don't silently give a pass, if we do we become enablers of dysfunctional behaviors, allowing them the fester and grow.
If you take exception to what Jenkins said, and all of us should take exception, then there should be some accountability. But if you take exception to that, then you need to take exception to similar forms of dysfunctional behavior everywhere, including accepting responsibility for your own. It's hard, but that is how we build a great society that endures, one that we pass on to our children.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure plenty of you are going to be angry with me, saying that I am too preachy. Frankly I don't care what you think of me. Despite the accusations towards me of some posters, I do not need BBI's affirmation. I realize that I am probably tilting at windmills, but I live by the morals I am professing. That means I cannot remain silent. If you respond angrily to these words, then I am not speaking to you anyway. If you want to tell me to F off, so be it, it says more about you than about me. However, I do hope that what I write is food for thought for the rest.
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despite the people who are offended by it, which ironically aren't the disabled ones but rather parents and family members, are as bad as the fat idiots that carry a gun in a holster in public because they can and the feel like it's their right. They don't have to, but they just do it.
The word idiot, by definition, is just as insulting to people with mental disabilities as the word retard.
"Idiots.Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
Stop, now youre just being disingenuous for the sake of it.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
That can't be true. Allstarjim said that people don't get fired for saying this in the workplace.
Nope. Never said that. Try harder.
The employee essentially said he was apologizing because he was told to, but did not think the language was offensive. Essentially, it was a non apology.
Everyone makes mistakes, but we have to live with the consequences. In this case the employee was fired not for his language, but for disregarding the direction given by his employer. Not the first time for this particular employee.
I personally am fine with this move by the Giants. Good luck to Jackrabbit, hope he continues with his career and is successful.
One can only hope.
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despite the people who are offended by it, which ironically aren't the disabled ones but rather parents and family members, are as bad as the fat idiots that carry a gun in a holster in public because they can and the feel like it's their right. They don't have to, but they just do it.
The word idiot, by definition, is just as insulting to people with mental disabilities as the word retard.
"Idiots.Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
It's pretty simple. There really isn't a need to refer to anyone as an idiot, stupid, etc etc. If we disagree with someone so much that we are using insults then perhaps it's best to disengage. Now, I have violated what is written above, perfection isn't required or even possible, but if we truly believe in a philosophy then we will hold close to it, and when we violate our chosen way we will certainly know. Apologies go a long way, both for the one apologizing and the one receiving. I am quite experienced in apologizing.
What's not surprising is an NFL player said something hurtful in a heat-of-the-moment instant tweet message. And its certainly not surprising posters on this board have varying opinions about it. And I guess its not surprising that yet even others on this board want to project their own with a bit of a sanctimonious message for the rest...
This is the basis for everything from the Inquisition to the Salem Witch trials to Fascism to the "re-education" of Maoism.
Perhaps the system of accountability by other members of society could include forgiving trespasses by others and the principle that the punishment should fit the crime.
Not allowed anymore - FOOTBALL SITE.
Somewhat ironic in the age of instant/excess information that things are more confused, muddled and constructive conversation between those with differing views has almost stopped completely or loses coherence - repeating cliche' or talking points and not communicating.
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In comment 14718347 Britt in VA said:
"Idiots.Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years."
Stop, now youre just being disingenuous for the sake of it.
He isn't being disingenous. This is why this is frustrating. All these words; morons,idiots,dumb, imbecile have actual medical roots. At what point do we say well these are offensive to stupid people? How do you call someone acting like an idiot without offending people with low IQs.
I had to do an exposition class in college that focused on case studies and disabilities and we had to do one on the use of retard. I understand the argument, but this is a very slippery slope and I hate the policing of language. I feel like we may need another famine or world war so we can focus on things that are truly problematic.
Not allowed anymore - FOOTBALL SITE.
Somewhat ironic in the age of instant/excess information that things are more confused, muddled and constructive conversation between those with differing views has almost stopped completely or loses coherence - repeating cliche' or talking points and not communicating.
I've been on this site for over 20 years now and I'm in my early 30's. I learned so much from people like Bill2 it really is incredible. Kind of sad we can't have things like that because it denigrates into apes throwing shit at each other.
Now unemployed, Janoris Jenkins becomes contrite over his use of an offensive term - ( New Window )
Mentioned already, we knew he needed to go long ago
squandered trade op, then the owners jump on this tweet
to save face as they do not want to be discussed on Sunday
NFL pregame shows. He has probably done worse.
These cowards could use it like any politician to justify the need
for Shurmur or Gettleman coming back
these guys really need to sell the team. Hoping Tisch sells his piece to put pressure on do nothing Mara. Get some aggressive guys in here that commit to winning and know how to balance that with guys that are not from Norte Dame.
Social engineering is ruining this country, present you will have
the police state you desire with no 1st amendment rights
Its all planned, keep digging your own cell.
Social engineering is ruining this country, present you will have
the police state you desire with no 1st amendment rights
Its all planned, keep digging your own cell.
i don't know if you are allowed to be on this thread with that handle...