And we don't need a tired retread like McCarthy or Rivera. No more "Giants Way," because the "Giants Way" gets us 1964-1981 and 2012-2019 (with the interceding years being the result of George Young being forced on the team by the NFL).
When you're the laughingstock of the league, you need to clear everything out and start over.
As a few people on here have said, this team needs to be treated as an expansion team, and whoever the new coach and GM are need a clean palate.
when they could have. Something is better than nothing. For a 2 win team, keeping an expensive veteran around doesn't do anything. In fact it's blocked Beal and Baker into sharing snaps when they need reps and they need to be evaluated.
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It saves them about 8 mill. next season. I think they would have moved him after the season, if they didn't do it now.
He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
Yeah, that’s how I talked with my friends too.
When I was 16. Jenkins and I are the same age.
Then I grew up. I’d suggest Janoris do the same. It’s not that hard. Next time call the guy a dumb ass.
And another reason athletes should stay off of Twitter all together, but the beat immediately demanding Jenkins' release and then getting their wish over a word he apologized for twice and explained himself over is maddening.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
I really can't believe this. I've always liked Jenkins and he has been a very good player for us. Cut over "retard". I understand it's offensive, but on the scale of crude language, it ranks pretty low imo. Just end the season already
Are we sure we could have gotten anything for him?
Do we know of any teams inquiring before the deadline?
He may get picked up now but was any already in the playoff team going to give up a draft choice for a guy who quits on plays and was easy to pick on this year when a decent Qb decided to do so?
Im not sure he would have gotten even a 6th slot. Any team knew he was a goner at the end of the year and any team lookin for an edge in the playoffs would not consider this years play as an edge they wanted to pay draft slots for.
They worry about this stupid stuff. If it meant so much, you already know Jenkins was kind of a dick, but he could play. So unload him before the trading deadline, get some kind of pick that might be used to bolster the OL. Or trade him directly for some decent OL depth.
This is the 1970s all over. Total incompetence from top to bottom.
Jenkins was the Giants' highest-graded cornerback this season, and led the team in INTs and pass breakups. Link - ( New Window )
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That's really not saying much, based on the talent level here.
He is also mercurial, as we have seen recently.
He is tone deaf as well, he doesn't get it.
we're not asking him to lead society forward. we're asking him to cover wide receivers. being "tone deaf" seems like like a low bar. would nick bosa fit under it?
Then looked to move him in the offseason. There was no reason to cut him today. In fact, he should have never spoke to the media. Release a statement on his behalf.
We now need to sign a top CB in free agency this year. Byron Jones $$$$
And/or he did not apologize? If that's the primary reason, this team is more than a joke
Knowing the way their doings lately wouldn't put it past them, I'd hope it was bc of culmination of things (moving on anyhow and etc)..but you never know with these clowns
And another reason athletes should stay off of Twitter all together, but the beat immediately demanding Jenkins' release and then getting their wish over a word he apologized for twice and explained himself over is maddening.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
Dan - he did NOT appologize. He gave the explanation that the word is part of his "culture" and slang he uses all the time with his "homeboys"
Can you imagine the reaction if a player gave the similar excuse for using "n****r" or "fag"
And the whole lot!!!!!! Our best CB!?!?!for saying retard?!? Are you kidding me?!?!?! This franchise is retarded!!!! The only interest I have remaining is to see Eli finish out his Giants career! Besides that this organization is a pile of shit!!!
And the whole lot!!!!!! Our best CB!?!?!for saying retard?!? Are you kidding me?!?!?! This franchise is retarded!!!! The only interest I have remaining is to see Eli finish out his Giants career! Besides that this organization is a pile of shit!!!
like a few others here, i actually understand his explanation.
think about how many times we call something or someone "dumb".
i predict that in the near future, we are going to have to scratch that word off the list of things we can say as well. since, technically, dumb is a disability of not being able to speak.
so for all you guys who are saying "how could he ever use the R word, he's a clown. you use the word dumb everyday....society just hasn't made this term/word offensive yet
When I started to say this is like the 1970's again Â
a few years ago it was out frustration and a personal dislike for a certain Giant owner based on some interactions from the 1980's.
But I was exaggerating and venting which is my normal BBI mode. I didn't really think we'd ever see the 1970's again and yet here we are. This really is just as bad if not worse than the Wellington years.
Let's see what Tisch is willing to fight for because if this mess is left to John and Chris Mara we aren't close to coming out the other side.
If Gettleman stays and they hire Rivera we'll know Tisch doesn't care enough to fight and he'll just keep cashing the checks and look away.
Are we sure we could have gotten anything for him?
Do we know of any teams inquiring before the deadline?
He may get picked up now but was any already in the playoff team going to give up a draft choice for a guy who quits on plays and was easy to pick on this year when a decent Qb decided to do so?
Im not sure he would have gotten even a 6th slot. Any team knew he was a goner at the end of the year and any team lookin for an edge in the playoffs would not consider this years play as an edge they wanted to pay draft slots for.
imo
I'm not sure. But I would think they could have gotten something.
Then looked to move him in the offseason. There was no reason to cut him today. In fact, he should have never spoke to the media. Release a statement on his behalf.
We now need to sign a top CB in free agency this year. Byron Jones $$$$
precisely. there were lesser measures to punish this conduct that would have been more appropriate - given the info we know now.
And the whole lot!!!!!! Our best CB!?!?!for saying retard?!? Are you kidding me?!?!?! This franchise is retarded!!!! The only interest I have remaining is to see Eli finish out his Giants career! Besides that this organization is a pile of shit!!!
You’re cut from being a Giants fan, go take a walk, stop using the r word, it’s not a proper insult
Then I grew up. I’d suggest Janoris do the same. It’s not that hard. Next time call the guy a dumb ass.
ahhh, i just posted about calling someone dumb. that's offensive too bro. but society hasn't made a big fuss about it yet.
Dumb is a disability as well (not being able to speak). So its ok to offend someone who can't speak, but not ok to offend someone with mental retardation.
And another reason athletes should stay off of Twitter all together, but the beat immediately demanding Jenkins' release and then getting their wish over a word he apologized for twice and explained himself over is maddening.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
Dan - he did NOT appologize. He gave the explanation that the word is part of his "culture" and slang he uses all the time with his "homeboys"
Can you imagine the reaction if a player gave the similar excuse for using "n****r" or "fag"
It's just part of my culture?
Get the fuck out of here
He apologized twice. First on Twitter and then again yesterday. It just didn't suffice with today's blood-letting PC crowd.
No apology in 2019 is ever good enough, which is exactly why he refused to repeat himself 300 times. It never would have mattered.
RE: this thread is really informative
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10:52 am : link : reply
In comment 14717402 SirYesSir said:
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shows the number of people who really don't care about offending people with disabilities along with their friends and families.
Who is offending people with disabilities? No one is targeting the mentally handicapped, at all. But hey, I guess I missed Sensitivity Training.
If you don't get why families who have family members with disabilities might be offended by this then I don't know what to tell you. It's not thought about a lot, but it is absolutely considered an offensive word by people who have family members with disabilities.
I see this and think Shurmer and Gettleman are coming back.
Definitely
Then we're F'ed beyond belief.
I don't think this says one thing or the other about the future of Gettleman or Shurmur. Fucking McAdoo made one of the most important decisions in Giants history and benched Eli, saying that "we're all in agreement." Soon thereafter, he was fired.
It means nothing and Jackrabbit was most likely not going to be a Giant in 2020 anyway, no matter who the head coach or GM is. What pisses me off is that we didn't sell him when we had the chance and instead "bought" an unrestricted free agent in a wasted season.
although that might be the last straw. He was complaining last week about the defensive strategy where they didn't have him following the best receiver. Can't have complainers!
For me personally, its not so much that he said it - its that he didn't even care and used "his culture" as an excuse.
If you're one of these people nowadays who's clamoring for equality and complaining about privilege, and/or you're a woman or some kind of minority - and you're making excuses for Jenkins...that makes you a full blown hypocrite.
These people with special needs deserve as much respect as anyone else. This is no different than if he had slut-shamed a woman on twitter or used the "n" word and wasn't sorry about it.
And we don't need a tired retread like McCarthy or Rivera. No more "Giants Way," because the "Giants Way" gets us 1964-1981 and 2012-2019 (with the interceding years being the result of George Young being forced on the team by the NFL).
When you're the laughingstock of the league, you need to clear everything out and start over.
As a few people on here have said, this team needs to be treated as an expansion team, and whoever the new coach and GM are need a clean palate.
Thats probably why he likes twitter so much. He has a forum where he has the intellectual high ground on other people.
It saves them about 8 mill. next season. I think they would have moved him after the season, if they didn't do it now.
Lighten up Francis
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Set himself to play wherever he wants now, and dopey Gettleman gets nothing.
This is a failure of leadership from Murmur, too.
Who is going to trade for an injured player?
see Jalen Ramsey
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He's absolutely done taking shit -- from ANYONE, including stupid fans -- for a shit, losing team. I wish him well and hope he signs on with a winner.
Obviously, if the Giants were in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have moved him over this, and also obvious, they should have moved him at the trade deadline.
This won't be a popular take, but I had no problem with Jenkins' explanation. He said that's how he talks to his homeboys. He said he shouldn't have said, but that's how he talks. That answer wasn't good enough for the PC Twitter crowd looking for penance. He didn't give it them.
Yeah, that’s how I talked with my friends too.
When I was 16. Jenkins and I are the same age.
Then I grew up. I’d suggest Janoris do the same. It’s not that hard. Next time call the guy a dumb ass.
...messed up team looks like.
And make nooooooooooo mistake about it:
The Giants are a messed up football franchise.
And the mess will continue for years.
Depend upon it.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
Do we know of any teams inquiring before the deadline?
He may get picked up now but was any already in the playoff team going to give up a draft choice for a guy who quits on plays and was easy to pick on this year when a decent Qb decided to do so?
Im not sure he would have gotten even a 6th slot. Any team knew he was a goner at the end of the year and any team lookin for an edge in the playoffs would not consider this years play as an edge they wanted to pay draft slots for.
imo
How about fixing the fucking OL?
They worry about this stupid stuff. If it meant so much, you already know Jenkins was kind of a dick, but he could play. So unload him before the trading deadline, get some kind of pick that might be used to bolster the OL. Or trade him directly for some decent OL depth.
This is the 1970s all over. Total incompetence from top to bottom.
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Jenkins was the Giants' highest-graded cornerback this season, and led the team in INTs and pass breakups. Link - ( New Window )
.
That's really not saying much, based on the talent level here.
He is also mercurial, as we have seen recently.
He is tone deaf as well, he doesn't get it.
we're not asking him to lead society forward. we're asking him to cover wide receivers. being "tone deaf" seems like like a low bar. would nick bosa fit under it?
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I see this and think Shurmer and Gettleman are coming back.
Definitely
Then we're F'ed beyond belief.
We now need to sign a top CB in free agency this year. Byron Jones $$$$
Knowing the way their doings lately wouldn't put it past them, I'd hope it was bc of culmination of things (moving on anyhow and etc)..but you never know with these clowns
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
Dan - he did NOT appologize. He gave the explanation that the word is part of his "culture" and slang he uses all the time with his "homeboys"
Can you imagine the reaction if a player gave the similar excuse for using "n****r" or "fag"
It's just part of my culture?
Get the fuck out of here
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It's the Jets guys who go bowling
In the old days, when someone was unceremoniously canned or fired people would quip "Adios Mother F****er".
On a sound defense he's still at worst a #2 corner.
Fuck you
think about how many times we call something or someone "dumb".
i predict that in the near future, we are going to have to scratch that word off the list of things we can say as well. since, technically, dumb is a disability of not being able to speak.
so for all you guys who are saying "how could he ever use the R word, he's a clown. you use the word dumb everyday....society just hasn't made this term/word offensive yet
But I was exaggerating and venting which is my normal BBI mode. I didn't really think we'd ever see the 1970's again and yet here we are. This really is just as bad if not worse than the Wellington years.
Let's see what Tisch is willing to fight for because if this mess is left to John and Chris Mara we aren't close to coming out the other side.
If Gettleman stays and they hire Rivera we'll know Tisch doesn't care enough to fight and he'll just keep cashing the checks and look away.
Do we know of any teams inquiring before the deadline?
He may get picked up now but was any already in the playoff team going to give up a draft choice for a guy who quits on plays and was easy to pick on this year when a decent Qb decided to do so?
Im not sure he would have gotten even a 6th slot. Any team knew he was a goner at the end of the year and any team lookin for an edge in the playoffs would not consider this years play as an edge they wanted to pay draft slots for.
imo
I'm not sure. But I would think they could have gotten something.
We now need to sign a top CB in free agency this year. Byron Jones $$$$
precisely. there were lesser measures to punish this conduct that would have been more appropriate - given the info we know now.
thats what i was thinking
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Then I grew up. I’d suggest Janoris do the same. It’s not that hard. Next time call the guy a dumb ass.
ahhh, i just posted about calling someone dumb. that's offensive too bro. but society hasn't made a big fuss about it yet.
Dumb is a disability as well (not being able to speak). So its ok to offend someone who can't speak, but not ok to offend someone with mental retardation.
you're not as grown up as you think buddy
Jenkins wasn't what he was, but it's not like anyone else was playing better. Good grief.
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And another reason athletes should stay off of Twitter all together, but the beat immediately demanding Jenkins' release and then getting their wish over a word he apologized for twice and explained himself over is maddening.
The PC crowd lost their minds, Jenkins was punished for it and the Giants fall further apart as a result.
I've seen some of these same fans and beat writers say far worse things about people (see: the President) and no one bat an eye. But they wanted to create a fire and got it, and now pretend they are high and mighty sensitive beings that want nothing but love and world peace.
It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Agree or disagree with what he said, there's no denying that reality.
Dan - he did NOT appologize. He gave the explanation that the word is part of his "culture" and slang he uses all the time with his "homeboys"
Can you imagine the reaction if a player gave the similar excuse for using "n****r" or "fag"
It's just part of my culture?
Get the fuck out of here
He apologized twice. First on Twitter and then again yesterday. It just didn't suffice with today's blood-letting PC crowd.
No apology in 2019 is ever good enough, which is exactly why he refused to repeat himself 300 times. It never would have mattered.
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10:52 am : link : reply
In comment 14717402 SirYesSir said:
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shows the number of people who really don't care about offending people with disabilities along with their friends and families.
Who is offending people with disabilities? No one is targeting the mentally handicapped, at all. But hey, I guess I missed Sensitivity Training.
If you don't get why families who have family members with disabilities might be offended by this then I don't know what to tell you. It's not thought about a lot, but it is absolutely considered an offensive word by people who have family members with disabilities.
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At least it improves our chances for CY.
thats what i was thinking
DG is playing Parcheesi while we're playing Pictionary in the sand.
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I see this and think Shurmer and Gettleman are coming back.
Definitely
Then we're F'ed beyond belief.
I don't think this says one thing or the other about the future of Gettleman or Shurmur. Fucking McAdoo made one of the most important decisions in Giants history and benched Eli, saying that "we're all in agreement." Soon thereafter, he was fired.
It means nothing and Jackrabbit was most likely not going to be a Giant in 2020 anyway, no matter who the head coach or GM is. What pisses me off is that we didn't sell him when we had the chance and instead "bought" an unrestricted free agent in a wasted season.
Really. WTF does that mean?
But to get no value from him is just another dumb business move in a long list of dumb business moves.
Who's first? :)
And? What's going to happen? We're going to lose more games? We haven't won a game since we landed on the Moon.
If you're one of these people nowadays who's clamoring for equality and complaining about privilege, and/or you're a woman or some kind of minority - and you're making excuses for Jenkins...that makes you a full blown hypocrite.
These people with special needs deserve as much respect as anyone else. This is no different than if he had slut-shamed a woman on twitter or used the "n" word and wasn't sorry about it.
Should have dumped him at the deadline.....he's wasn't part of the future and certainly isn't now LOL
Who's first? :)
Like Sy's bitch? :)