special needs child, I have issues with what he said.
I think that you can have issues or even be mortally offended about a single word without demanding capital punishment.
What is missing so much in this times is a sense of proportion that even approaches reasonableness.
I agree with this. I also want to ask sshin05, and believe me, I greatly respect anyone raising a child with special needs (God bless you), but do you not see that the context of how he said what he said isn't targeting special needs people.
I look at it like almost like I look at words like "root". I could use it to describe the part of the tree, or I could say, let's get to the root cause of something. I don't think the word has to be taken just one way.
That said, I make an effort not to use the 'r' word in the way Jenkins did. Because I know it's disrespectful. But I am not offended. And I don't understand people who would give it any power over them because someone is a bit ignorant to use that word in that way.
The people that offend me more are the people that call for someone's job over stupid stuff like this. Those people are really bad people inside intending harm on others they don't believe share all of their values. These people are ugly and they are a pox on our society.
Jenkins was dreadful last year, on par with some of the worst corners in the NFL, and there were plenty of people on this board vehemently claiming he was a good player.
Come this year, he gets the doors blown off him the first few weeks, and the staff adjusts his role to not be the primary cover on no. 1 receivers. He's been much better the last 10 weeks, better than he's been for 2+ years.
Jenkins should have never been paid 15M last year, this year, and certainly not next year. He was something like the 4th highest paid corner in the NFL.
Jenkins has been a jerk since college. He was suspended by this team in 17 for being a jerk. When the GM was babbling about culture this offseason, then kept a jerk who had a dogshit year last year, and was the a top paid player at his position, I laughed out loud.
Of course this happened. Of course this happened to the Giants.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you work at McDonalds, and you call someone retarded on your personal twitter account, and the manager happens to find out, you probably won't get fired
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
I mean, all of your examples are clearly different from this in that they really were done in the course of doing business.
1) We all pretty much knew he was gone soon anyway and many of us wanted him out a while ago.
2) I am sure there are more issues here than just that tweet...BUT
3) anyone who thinks this is just a DG call is fooling themselves. Mara is pissed for sure and with all other negative stuff right now, this one is the one that reaches the public beyond football fans.
4) DG and Shurmur are gone.. Have to believe the pot is boiling right now and one will be fired the other will step aside.
5) Jlukes take on this is the best so far. Trying to explain why you say something that has become akin to some other very offensive tags (race wise, sexuality wise) just says yeah sorry I was caught. PLUS- the tweets happened while practice was going on. Injured or not, he was at the facility and thus should not have been tweeting anything.
RE: RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions.... Â
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
Does it matter? It's just like you going on your personal Facebook page and posting something offensive. If your company sees it, they can fire you.
I mean.....I've had HR courses that tell you this.
RE: Look, this is pretty simple across many professions.... Â
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
While true, football players have never been expected to use clean language and never have. And this was on Twitter.
I honestly don't really care about the move that much.
What I really care about was the motivation of the move. Was Jenkins cut because of the media outrage or because he said what he said. If it was the former, this franchise is lost, and I expect it was.
I really don't take much stock in what comes out of Shurmur's mouth anymore...
on what basis? you may not think he's good coach but now he's a full throated liar too? the timelines seems overwhelmingly against your point.
Full throated liar? No, that's a conclusion you jumped to.
Why don't I take much stock in what comes out of his mouth? 90% of the time I hear the guy talk all I hear is excuses, he doesn't own up to poor decisions during the games and tends to fill his interviews with a lot of lip service. In other words I feel like he says what he needs to in order to get his interviews over with as fast and easy as possible.
so you just said i jumped to a conclusion that you believe he's a full throated liar before then immediately going on to say you believe he's a full throated liar. nice
I really don't take much stock in what comes out of Shurmur's mouth anymore...
on what basis? you may not think he's good coach but now he's a full throated liar too? the timelines seems overwhelmingly against your point.
Full throated liar? No, that's a conclusion you jumped to.
Why don't I take much stock in what comes out of his mouth? 90% of the time I hear the guy talk all I hear is excuses, he doesn't own up to poor decisions during the games and tends to fill his interviews with a lot of lip service. In other words I feel like he says what he needs to in order to get his interviews over with as fast and easy as possible.
so you just said i jumped to a conclusion that you believe he's a full throated liar before then immediately going on to say you believe he's a full throated liar. nice
What is everyone bitching about, Most of bbi wanted him cut at the end of the year anyway. As to why he wasn't traded, maybe nobody wanted to take on the salary, we'll never know.
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
special needs child, I have issues with what he said.
I worked with mentally disabled adults for a decade. It is reasonable for you have issues with the slur. But to deprive a man of his livelihood for being thoughtless and stupid on one occasion seems to be an over reaction. Talk to him. Send him to a class. But to fire him after he apologized makes it seem like there was more at play.
If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
Jenkins got fired because he was an extremely overpaid, declining, asshole who's time was coming.
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
This is true, however, him saying that and doubling down on it expedited the process.
EIf Jones, Barkley, Hernandez, Slayton, or really anyone of value on the roster said that on Twitter, they would apologize, the Giants would issue a a statement, and then off to getting trampled in the next game.
For all the rambling about culture this offseason, Jenkins has been a dope forever. Keeping him on the roster after he was abysmal on the field last year and a verified asshole since college, and Gettleman propping him up as some kind of mentor for rookies was rich.
can proclaim that Jenkins deserved to be released (which is fine by me), but didn't go anywhere near RodneyHamp's post asking how the hell the very same franchise did everything they can to hang onto wife-beater Josh Brown.
Never change.
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i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
I don't blame them for releasing him, even though punishment may not fit the crime, IMO. In New York, the way the media latched onto this story, they had to let him go. Good for the team for getting rid of the distraction... another shitty chapter in a nightmare season.
Jenkins was probably the second best player on the team. Too bad his career took this turn.
For all the rambling about culture this offseason, Jenkins has been a dope forever. Keeping him on the roster after he was abysmal on the field last year and a verified asshole since college, and Gettleman propping him up as some kind of mentor for rookies was rich.
christian, he is a bit of a dope, but he can still play. His MO is that he is/can be very good when he wants to, when he's part of a competitive team with a goal to play for. That hasn't been the case for three years, so this was predictable.
But the way the Giants approached this is just more laughingstock.
I think he's a good player to have when the team is doing well but checks out mentally when things go poorly.
That said, I really don't think the team should make football decisions based on what happens on Twitter.
agree. no problems if football/business decision lands on getting rid of him. when decision is based on this, then that speaks to management issues. which of course supports what we've all been saying for quite a while - our management sucks
have said that before the trade deadline.
He probably should have just called that guy a moron,but who knows how many here would have been offended by that.
11-2 I think they would have suspended him for a game. But we suck anyways and between this the murder at his house and calling out the coaching staff it was the right move.
-- Traded a 3rd and 5th so we could pay an solid DT, who hasn't had a sack in a year, a minimum of $17M on the franchise tag.
-- Apparently scoffed at a first rounded for Evan Engram.
-- Didn't trade Jackrabbit when there was an obvious market for corners, and have now released him with no compensation.
-- And it won't get into not trading Tate, or not trading LC last year, etc.
Resume Dave. Everyone's lovable GM.
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special needs child, I have issues with what he said.
I think that you can have issues or even be mortally offended about a single word without demanding capital punishment.
What is missing so much in this times is a sense of proportion that even approaches reasonableness.
I agree with this. I also want to ask sshin05, and believe me, I greatly respect anyone raising a child with special needs (God bless you), but do you not see that the context of how he said what he said isn't targeting special needs people.
I look at it like almost like I look at words like "root". I could use it to describe the part of the tree, or I could say, let's get to the root cause of something. I don't think the word has to be taken just one way.
That said, I make an effort not to use the 'r' word in the way Jenkins did. Because I know it's disrespectful. But I am not offended. And I don't understand people who would give it any power over them because someone is a bit ignorant to use that word in that way.
The people that offend me more are the people that call for someone's job over stupid stuff like this. Those people are really bad people inside intending harm on others they don't believe share all of their values. These people are ugly and they are a pox on our society.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Come this year, he gets the doors blown off him the first few weeks, and the staff adjusts his role to not be the primary cover on no. 1 receivers. He's been much better the last 10 weeks, better than he's been for 2+ years.
Jenkins should have never been paid 15M last year, this year, and certainly not next year. He was something like the 4th highest paid corner in the NFL.
Jenkins has been a jerk since college. He was suspended by this team in 17 for being a jerk. When the GM was babbling about culture this offseason, then kept a jerk who had a dogshit year last year, and was the a top paid player at his position, I laughed out loud.
Of course this happened. Of course this happened to the Giants.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Lebron James didnt get fired for calling someone retarded
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
You think Barkley would be getting fired if he called someone that on Twitter? Lolol.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
-- Traded a 3rd and 5th so we could pay an solid DT, who hasn't had a sack in a year, a minimum of $17M on the franchise tag.
-- Apparently scoffed at a first rounded for Evan Engram.
-- Didn't trade Jackrabbit when there was an obvious market for corners, and have now released him with no compensation.
-- And it won't get into not trading Tate, or not trading LC last year, etc.
Resume Dave. Everyone's lovable GM.
You continue to show yourself as one of the more disgusting posters on this site.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you work at McDonalds, and you call someone retarded on your personal twitter account, and the manager happens to find out, you probably won't get fired
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
I mean, all of your examples are clearly different from this in that they really were done in the course of doing business.
And thread/
2) I am sure there are more issues here than just that tweet...BUT
3) anyone who thinks this is just a DG call is fooling themselves. Mara is pissed for sure and with all other negative stuff right now, this one is the one that reaches the public beyond football fans.
4) DG and Shurmur are gone.. Have to believe the pot is boiling right now and one will be fired the other will step aside.
5) Jlukes take on this is the best so far. Trying to explain why you say something that has become akin to some other very offensive tags (race wise, sexuality wise) just says yeah sorry I was caught. PLUS- the tweets happened while practice was going on. Injured or not, he was at the facility and thus should not have been tweeting anything.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
It is a decent debate question as to where the workplace ends for a publicly visible person, such as a professional athlete. Personally, as long he didn't use the official NYG account, he was on his own time.
I think that whether private twitter accounts
Does it matter? It's just like you going on your personal Facebook page and posting something offensive. If your company sees it, they can fire you.
I mean.....I've had HR courses that tell you this.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
While true, football players have never been expected to use clean language and never have. And this was on Twitter.
I honestly don't really care about the move that much.
What I really care about was the motivation of the move. Was Jenkins cut because of the media outrage or because he said what he said. If it was the former, this franchise is lost, and I expect it was.
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
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we had a spectacular outcome at trade deadline:
-- Traded a 3rd and 5th so we could pay an solid DT, who hasn't had a sack in a year, a minimum of $17M on the franchise tag.
-- Apparently scoffed at a first rounded for Evan Engram.
-- Didn't trade Jackrabbit when there was an obvious market for corners, and have now released him with no compensation.
-- And it won't get into not trading Tate, or not trading LC last year, etc.
Resume Dave. Everyone's lovable GM.
You continue to show yourself as one of the more disgusting posters on this site.
Gee, why now?
I really don't take much stock in what comes out of Shurmur's mouth anymore...
on what basis? you may not think he's good coach but now he's a full throated liar too? the timelines seems overwhelmingly against your point.
Full throated liar? No, that's a conclusion you jumped to.
Why don't I take much stock in what comes out of his mouth? 90% of the time I hear the guy talk all I hear is excuses, he doesn't own up to poor decisions during the games and tends to fill his interviews with a lot of lip service. In other words I feel like he says what he needs to in order to get his interviews over with as fast and easy as possible.
so you just said i jumped to a conclusion that you believe he's a full throated liar before then immediately going on to say you believe he's a full throated liar. nice
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
Yeh but the Giants used this as an opportunity to score brownie points which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
This might be the best post.......culmination of things, final straw.
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
This is true, however, him saying that and doubling down on it expedited the process.
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I really don't take much stock in what comes out of Shurmur's mouth anymore...
on what basis? you may not think he's good coach but now he's a full throated liar too? the timelines seems overwhelmingly against your point.
Full throated liar? No, that's a conclusion you jumped to.
Why don't I take much stock in what comes out of his mouth? 90% of the time I hear the guy talk all I hear is excuses, he doesn't own up to poor decisions during the games and tends to fill his interviews with a lot of lip service. In other words I feel like he says what he needs to in order to get his interviews over with as fast and easy as possible.
so you just said i jumped to a conclusion that you believe he's a full throated liar before then immediately going on to say you believe he's a full throated liar. nice
Not really, but fine
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Jenkins got fired because he was an extremely overpaid, declining, asshole who's time was coming.
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
Yeh but the Giants used this as an opportunity to score brownie points which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I tend to agree. It reeks of some PC odor...
Jints Central is looking for some good press these days. This is a nice distraction for them at least in the short term...
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
I worked with mentally disabled adults for a decade. It is reasonable for you have issues with the slur. But to deprive a man of his livelihood for being thoughtless and stupid on one occasion seems to be an over reaction. Talk to him. Send him to a class. But to fire him after he apologized makes it seem like there was more at play.
Because they're retarded?
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
Care to elaborate?
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Jenkins got fired because he was an extremely overpaid, declining, asshole who's time was coming.
This isn't about him saying this one thing on Twitter.
This is true, however, him saying that and doubling down on it expedited the process.
EIf Jones, Barkley, Hernandez, Slayton, or really anyone of value on the roster said that on Twitter, they would apologize, the Giants would issue a a statement, and then off to getting trampled in the next game.
For all the rambling about culture this offseason, Jenkins has been a dope forever. Keeping him on the roster after he was abysmal on the field last year and a verified asshole since college, and Gettleman propping him up as some kind of mentor for rookies was rich.
-- Traded a 3rd and 5th so we could pay an solid DT, who hasn't had a sack in a year, a minimum of $17M on the franchise tag.
-- Apparently scoffed at a first rounded for Evan Engram.
-- Didn't trade Jackrabbit when there was an obvious market for corners, and have now released him with no compensation.
-- And it won't get into not trading Tate, or not trading LC last year, etc.
Resume Dave. Everyone's lovable GM.
Who offered a 1st for Engram?
I agree they should have just traded Jenkins but he was the only vet among the corners. He did it to himself.
Why would they trade Tate? LC it was obvious they wanted to re-sign.
Never change.
i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
Care to elaborate?
on what exactly?
That said, I really don't think the team should make football decisions based on what happens on Twitter.
he's reacting
Jenkins was probably the second best player on the team. Too bad his career took this turn.
...it's ridiculous.
Only idiot organizations like the Giants would make that move.
But the way the Giants approached this is just more laughingstock.
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we had a spectacular outcome at trade deadline:
-- Traded a 3rd and 5th so we could pay an solid DT, who hasn't had a sack in a year, a minimum of $17M on the franchise tag.
-- Apparently scoffed at a first rounded for Evan Engram.
-- Didn't trade Jackrabbit when there was an obvious market for corners, and have now released him with no compensation.
-- And it won't get into not trading Tate, or not trading LC last year, etc.
Resume Dave. Everyone's lovable GM.
Who offered a 1st for Engram?
I agree they should have just traded Jenkins but he was the only vet among the corners. He did it to himself.
Why would they trade Tate? LC it was obvious they wanted to re-sign.
It's not clear. I'm referring to information Eric has provided to BBI.
If I had to guess, I could see New England. They aren't exactly an offensive juggernaut this year...
That said, I really don't think the team should make football decisions based on what happens on Twitter.
agree. no problems if football/business decision lands on getting rid of him. when decision is based on this, then that speaks to management issues. which of course supports what we've all been saying for quite a while - our management sucks
That said, I really don't think the team should make football decisions based on what happens on Twitter.
You're right, but it was because of the very loud local and national media attention, and not the tweet IMO.
He probably should have just called that guy a moron,but who knows how many here would have been offended by that.