For all the rambling about culture this offseason, Jenkins has been a dope forever. Keeping him on the roster after he was abysmal on the field last year and a verified asshole since college, and Gettleman propping him up as some kind of mentor for rookies was rich.
christian, he is a bit of a dope, but he can still play. His MO is that he is/can be very good when he wants to, when he's part of a competitive team with a goal to play for. That hasn't been the case for three years, so this was predictable.
But the way the Giants approached this is just more laughingstock.
But why is it a foregone conclusion that the Giants were going to cut him this offseason? He, without a doubt, was the best CB on this team this season. Beal, Baker or Ballentine might not have progressed the rest of the way.
It wasn't a no-brainer that he wasn't going to come back prior to this incident. Is it at all possible that Getty didn't trade him because there was a chance he would be here in 2020?
Also, let's not act like this was the first issue Jackrabbit has had during his entire tenure as a Giant. This was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation coupled with the money owed to him.
But why is it a foregone conclusion that the Giants were going to cut him this offseason? He, without a doubt, was the best CB on this team this season. Beal, Baker or Ballentine might not have progressed the rest of the way.
It wasn't a no-brainer that he wasn't going to come back prior to this incident. Is it at all possible that Getty didn't trade him because there was a chance he would be here in 2020?
Also, let's not act like this was the first issue Jackrabbit has had during his entire tenure as a Giant. This was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation coupled with the money owed to him.
I think he's kind of a frontrunner. He's mostly fine when things are good, but he's not going to help hold the team together when things are bad.
But I think what's getting lost in all this is that Jenkins was most likely gone at the end of the year anyway, this just expedited his departure.
I think this is just being used as another reason to shit on the Giants because people have been so unhappy (rightfully so) with the team and what it's been doing for so long now that any reason to attack them is going to be pounced on. Granted it does seem like a ship without a rudder right now and hopefully things get fixed in a hurry this offseason.
I saw someone ask the question that if this would have been done to Saquon or Jones had they done the same thing. First off, they have more class than that, so that situation would not have presented itself. Second, even if they did do something like this, I highly doubt that they would have doubled down on their mistake with the "excuse" Jenkins used and then not apologized on top of it. Let's be clear, Jenkins never apologized, he just provided an excuse for saying it.
I firmly believe that if Jenkins had owned up to it and apologized, he would have played, or at least been on the roster, for the last 3 games and then been released.
I liked Jenkins, but he took too many plays off and/or made too many business decisions which seems to already have rubbed off on people like Baker. We don't need bad influences for some of the younger guys, especially highly drafted/talented ones, on the team.
For over 25 years with the developmentally disabled, the last 22 in the psych department, the ARC changed its name in the mid to late 90’s, to avoid the stigma. I taught classes on how to work with the people we served and showed movies of Down syndrome folks saying how the word was hurtful and insulting. We had been training staff since the late 80’s this word was off limits, so it doesn’t seem like a PC crowd thing to me.
He's still playing well and provided a veteran presence at corner.
We do save about $11 million on the cap with only $3.5m dead money. You can bring him back at his level of play for the $14.5m or so, but releasing him probably always made more sense given the investment in young players at the position.
$3.5M of cap room now qualifies as "only" status? I guess it's "only" roughly the average salary for one of your top 51 players on a $180M roster.
there aren't a lot of Eli Mannings or Carl Banks out there. Team mentality, leadership, maturity, respect, work ethic, these are qualities possessed by fewer players these days as opposed to 30 years ago because fewer people in general have these qualities.
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who should never have passed the filter. He flies under the radar because he's not as famous, but his social media was wild. Far worse than anything the disturbed individuals who policed odell beckham's instgram ever pretended to be outraged by.
Can blame DG, he was a Reese signing. But I agree there were plenty of other legit reasons to cut him.
Gettleman jettisoned nearly every player acquired by Reese, often for pennies on the dollar or nothing at all. So even though Reese was the one who signed Jenkins originally, now two years in and with ample opportunity to get rid of Jenkins if he wanted to (as DG did with nearly everyone else), DG choosing to keep JJ does give DG a certain share of culpability, especially when repairing the culture was one of DG's stated goals.
But why is it a foregone conclusion that the Giants were going to cut him this offseason? He, without a doubt, was the best CB on this team this season. Beal, Baker or Ballentine might not have progressed the rest of the way.
It wasn't a no-brainer that he wasn't going to come back prior to this incident. Is it at all possible that Getty didn't trade him because there was a chance he would be here in 2020?
Also, let's not act like this was the first issue Jackrabbit has had during his entire tenure as a Giant. This was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation coupled .
with the money owed to him.
His caphit would be 14.75 million. But his dead money is only 3.5
Giants will have an extra 11.25 cap space if they cut him. The contract is actually structured in a way that made it easy to release him the last season.
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Gettleman jettisoned nearly every player acquired by Reese, often for pennies on the dollar or nothing at all. So even though Reese was the one who signed Jenkins originally, now two years in and with ample opportunity to get rid of Jenkins if he wanted to (as DG did with nearly everyone else), DG choosing to keep JJ does give DG a certain share of culpability, especially when repairing the culture was one of DG's stated goals.
The Gettleman excuse machine is in full effect.
Gettleman had two opportunities to cut ties with Jenkins, and instead converted some salary to bonus in 18.
He then literally called Jenkins out as a leader this offseason and charged him with being a mentor and teacher to the group of young corners.
Jenkins was a perfectly easy contract to cut this year. And after being completely terrible at football last year, it's mind numbing Gettleman retained him.
This is a guy who didn't come back to work because he didn't feel like it in 2017.
Keeping Jenkins on the roster and paying him 12M this year makes Gettleman's "culture" charade s complete farce.
based on where we are now and where we need to go.
Yawn.
Shouldn't matter one way or other. We loss no matter what. He was going going gone anyway. My only comment is if they are letting dead weight go - why stop here?
but I absolutely do not understand the "trade Engram" crowd.
Why? Why ship out every talented player we have? Engram is worth more than he'd get back in a trade.
Engram is over rated. The guy gets hurt too much and he is a liability in the running game. I have no use for a guy who makes an occasional nice play but then hurts us on other plays.
All you need to do is look at a guy like Andrews on Baltimore. The guys does not have Engram's speed but he gets open and is an excellent blocker. He is simply a better tight end... period.
The comment was not litterally meant in those terms. Where is the rational common sense people!!!??? We release reformed criminals back into society everyday who have committed some horrific crimes yet we are going to villanize people and fire them for comments they have made in the heat of the conversation?!? I get the whole they should know better and you have to hold yourself to higher standards etc. but we are human beings! might as well let robots run the world! this is becoming ridiculous.
it’s not cancel culture. Jenkins messed up but it was his refusal to clean up the mess and even double down on the mistake that got him waived.
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i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
Care to elaborate?
on what exactly?
You said to the poster you don't understand what gets said in high performance work places, I was curious.
And just coincidentally get to save 2.5 million on JJ's salary this year.
But I'm sure that 2.5 million played no role in the decision to cut him
Only if he is claimed on waivers which he likely won't. We will then have to pay him an injury settlement to complete the process. So while we may save on the remaining salary, the injury settlement will likely be close to what would have been owed.
and say that he didn't mean to offend anyone and that rabbit loves everybody or something? and yet he is cut over this?
and i really can't believe there are people on this site conflating calling someone a retard with calling someone a nig*er. just mindblowing to me than anyone can be this sanctimonious.
some pathologically oversensitive easily butthurt pussies out there for sure.
i wasn't jenkins biggest fan but he was easily the best corner on the team and has certainly played better than anyone gettleman has brought in, even with the occasional business decision. bethea, beal, baker, haley, ogletree, mayo are all hot garbage.
i shudder to think what happens in this offseason because over the last five plus years mara has shown himself to be incompetent in every capacity.
The comment was not litterally meant in those terms. Where is the rational common sense people!!!??? We release reformed criminals back into society everyday who have committed some horrific crimes yet we are going to villanize people and fire them for comments they have made in the heat of the conversation?!? I get the whole they should know better and you have to hold yourself to higher standards etc. but we are human beings! might as well let robots run the world! this is becoming ridiculous.
it’s not cancel culture. Jenkins messed up but it was his refusal to clean up the mess and even double down on the mistake that got him waived.
It's a textbook example of cancel culture.
Except I think the Giants were more motivated by the 2.5 million they are going to save in JJ's salary than they were by sensitivity to special needs individuals. After all, this is a team that plays the "Redskins" twice a year.
there aren't a lot of Eli Mannings or Carl Banks out there. Team mentality, leadership, maturity, respect, work ethic, these are qualities possessed by fewer players these days as opposed to 30 years ago because fewer people in general have these qualities.
I sorta thought that too. But could it also be that we've always had this problem, and now there's just more attention in the information age that brings issues to the forefront that would otherwise be lost?
I get that a younger generation has issues. But there's plenty in that group that are good people.......hasn't our "younger generation" always had something going on? But today......it's magnified with social media.
This organization sucks. It’s one thing to act high and mighty Â
when you are actually good, it’s another you are absolutely terrible. They can’t afford to give up players when the roster is already devoid of talent.
The people at the helm have absolutely no plans, no direction whatsoever, they are just reacting to whatever transpires this week. Do they think this is actually going to please the fans?
Basically, these guys want to get cut. Because it's such a shitshow. And they aren't good enough to fix it, so I don't blame them. Ogletree will be cut, he will sign elsewhere for way less and he'll be somewhat productive.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you work at McDonalds, and you call someone retarded on your personal twitter account, and the manager happens to find out, you probably won't get fired
No but if you call one of the customers in line a retard you would be fire
Well myself and staff have been called a retard and a lot of other names in formation by my battalion commander and he is now a General so your logic does not apply all the time
during practice?. I'm sure that didn't sit well and the conversation about it afterwards may have gotten heated. Just a shame they couldn't have got something for him.
seem to always have more of the drama. When they hire a true leader of this team who commands respect teaching and leading them to win we will see less of these issues imo.
And just coincidentally get to save 2.5 million on JJ's salary this year.
But I'm sure that 2.5 million played no role in the decision to cut him
Only if he is claimed on waivers which he likely won't. We will then have to pay him an injury settlement to complete the process. So while we may save on the remaining salary, the injury settlement will likely be close to what would have been owed.
I forgot about the loophole of being waived on a Friday. The waiver claim is extended through Monday at the close of business. Hence, we still will have to pay his weekly game check that is due on Sunday. So that will leave 2 outstanding game checks. We will only get relief if he is claimed. If not, the injury settlement will be the final 2 remaining game checks or else JJ can claim termination pay which he is entitled to the remaining pay.
So either way, we are paying him unless someone claims him. Not many injured players are claimed so we will still be on the hook. JJ will get paid - ( New Window )
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and say that he didn't mean to offend anyone and that rabbit loves everybody or something? and yet he is cut over this?
and i really can't believe there are people on this site conflating calling someone a retard with calling someone a nig*er. just mindblowing to me than anyone can be this sanctimonious.
some pathologically oversensitive easily butthurt pussies out there for sure.
i wasn't jenkins biggest fan but he was easily the best corner on the team and has certainly played better than anyone gettleman has brought in, even with the occasional business decision. bethea, beal, baker, haley, ogletree, mayo are all hot garbage.
i shudder to think what happens in this offseason because over the last five plus years mara has shown himself to be incompetent in every capacity.
Him and the coach or coaching staff are at odds and so ... just jettison him and help the tanking. Because yes he did apologize ....
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Ha, yeah... I kinda' am. I mean, this is a guy that pretty much everybody wanted unanimously cut at seasons end. He did something really stupid by a. responding in anger to a fan, b. using a pretty uncool word, and c. then doubled down and refused to apologize.
This is all pretty cut and dried, right? They cut him a few games early to avoid all the headaches that this would surely bring.
He should have been cut 2 years ago after the Niner game. Watching him basically quit and make business decisions in that game killed some of my fandom. I was just sitting there asking myself why did I pay all this money to go to the game and watch ungrateful millionaire not even care.
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For all the rambling about culture this offseason, Jenkins has been a dope forever. Keeping him on the roster after he was abysmal on the field last year and a verified asshole since college, and Gettleman propping him up as some kind of mentor for rookies was rich.
christian, he is a bit of a dope, but he can still play. His MO is that he is/can be very good when he wants to, when he's part of a competitive team with a goal to play for. That hasn't been the case for three years, so this was predictable.
But the way the Giants approached this is just more laughingstock.
agree CHP...
Best of luck to him, but he's an asshole.
Attitude is a reflection of leadership
Remember the Titans
It wasn't a no-brainer that he wasn't going to come back prior to this incident. Is it at all possible that Getty didn't trade him because there was a chance he would be here in 2020?
Also, let's not act like this was the first issue Jackrabbit has had during his entire tenure as a Giant. This was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation coupled with the money owed to him.
Even if the Giants did the right thing here, it came down to a cost benefit analysis.
It wasn't a no-brainer that he wasn't going to come back prior to this incident. Is it at all possible that Getty didn't trade him because there was a chance he would be here in 2020?
Also, let's not act like this was the first issue Jackrabbit has had during his entire tenure as a Giant. This was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation coupled with the money owed to him.
I think this is just being used as another reason to shit on the Giants because people have been so unhappy (rightfully so) with the team and what it's been doing for so long now that any reason to attack them is going to be pounced on. Granted it does seem like a ship without a rudder right now and hopefully things get fixed in a hurry this offseason.
I saw someone ask the question that if this would have been done to Saquon or Jones had they done the same thing. First off, they have more class than that, so that situation would not have presented itself. Second, even if they did do something like this, I highly doubt that they would have doubled down on their mistake with the "excuse" Jenkins used and then not apologized on top of it. Let's be clear, Jenkins never apologized, he just provided an excuse for saying it.
I firmly believe that if Jenkins had owned up to it and apologized, he would have played, or at least been on the roster, for the last 3 games and then been released.
I liked Jenkins, but he took too many plays off and/or made too many business decisions which seems to already have rubbed off on people like Baker. We don't need bad influences for some of the younger guys, especially highly drafted/talented ones, on the team.
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He's still playing well and provided a veteran presence at corner.
We do save about $11 million on the cap with only $3.5m dead money. You can bring him back at his level of play for the $14.5m or so, but releasing him probably always made more sense given the investment in young players at the position.
$3.5M of cap room now qualifies as "only" status? I guess it's "only" roughly the average salary for one of your top 51 players on a $180M roster.
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who should never have passed the filter. He flies under the radar because he's not as famous, but his social media was wild. Far worse than anything the disturbed individuals who policed odell beckham's instgram ever pretended to be outraged by.
Can blame DG, he was a Reese signing. But I agree there were plenty of other legit reasons to cut him.
Gettleman jettisoned nearly every player acquired by Reese, often for pennies on the dollar or nothing at all. So even though Reese was the one who signed Jenkins originally, now two years in and with ample opportunity to get rid of Jenkins if he wanted to (as DG did with nearly everyone else), DG choosing to keep JJ does give DG a certain share of culpability, especially when repairing the culture was one of DG's stated goals.
Why? Why ship out every talented player we have? Engram is worth more than he'd get back in a trade.
Why? Why ship out every talented player we have? Engram is worth more than he'd get back in a trade.
He can't even get on the field.
It wasn't a no-brainer that he wasn't going to come back prior to this incident. Is it at all possible that Getty didn't trade him because there was a chance he would be here in 2020?
Also, let's not act like this was the first issue Jackrabbit has had during his entire tenure as a Giant. This was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation coupled .
with the money owed to him.
His caphit would be 14.75 million. But his dead money is only 3.5
Giants will have an extra 11.25 cap space if they cut him. The contract is actually structured in a way that made it easy to release him the last season.
The Gettleman excuse machine is in full effect.
Gettleman had two opportunities to cut ties with Jenkins, and instead converted some salary to bonus in 18.
He then literally called Jenkins out as a leader this offseason and charged him with being a mentor and teacher to the group of young corners.
Jenkins was a perfectly easy contract to cut this year. And after being completely terrible at football last year, it's mind numbing Gettleman retained him.
This is a guy who didn't come back to work because he didn't feel like it in 2017.
Keeping Jenkins on the roster and paying him 12M this year makes Gettleman's "culture" charade s complete farce.
Of course this happened today.
It might be the worst thing that has happened to America.
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Should have traded him for whatever pick they could have gotten before the deadline.
of course more hindsight. If we traded him for a 6th rounder, then DG was "fleeced" right?
But I'm sure that 2.5 million played no role in the decision to cut him
Yawn.
Why? Why ship out every talented player we have? Engram is worth more than he'd get back in a trade.
Engram is over rated. The guy gets hurt too much and he is a liability in the running game. I have no use for a guy who makes an occasional nice play but then hurts us on other plays.
All you need to do is look at a guy like Andrews on Baltimore. The guys does not have Engram's speed but he gets open and is an excellent blocker. He is simply a better tight end... period.
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i'm not sure what high performing work places you've been in but i'm not quite sure you understand the shit that gets said. retard is tame. and the nfl is a high performing work place
Care to elaborate?
on what exactly?
You said to the poster you don't understand what gets said in high performance work places, I was curious.
But I'm sure that 2.5 million played no role in the decision to cut him
Only if he is claimed on waivers which he likely won't. We will then have to pay him an injury settlement to complete the process. So while we may save on the remaining salary, the injury settlement will likely be close to what would have been owed.
people forget the creepy facts that came out during Strahan's divorce.
and i really can't believe there are people on this site conflating calling someone a retard with calling someone a nig*er. just mindblowing to me than anyone can be this sanctimonious.
some pathologically oversensitive easily butthurt pussies out there for sure.
i wasn't jenkins biggest fan but he was easily the best corner on the team and has certainly played better than anyone gettleman has brought in, even with the occasional business decision. bethea, beal, baker, haley, ogletree, mayo are all hot garbage.
i shudder to think what happens in this offseason because over the last five plus years mara has shown himself to be incompetent in every capacity.
But there's a team in your own division, who's team name is an offensive slur
what a world
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The comment was not litterally meant in those terms. Where is the rational common sense people!!!??? We release reformed criminals back into society everyday who have committed some horrific crimes yet we are going to villanize people and fire them for comments they have made in the heat of the conversation?!? I get the whole they should know better and you have to hold yourself to higher standards etc. but we are human beings! might as well let robots run the world! this is becoming ridiculous.
it’s not cancel culture. Jenkins messed up but it was his refusal to clean up the mess and even double down on the mistake that got him waived.
It's a textbook example of cancel culture.
Except I think the Giants were more motivated by the 2.5 million they are going to save in JJ's salary than they were by sensitivity to special needs individuals. After all, this is a team that plays the "Redskins" twice a year.
I sorta thought that too. But could it also be that we've always had this problem, and now there's just more attention in the information age that brings issues to the forefront that would otherwise be lost?
I get that a younger generation has issues. But there's plenty in that group that are good people.......hasn't our "younger generation" always had something going on? But today......it's magnified with social media.
The people at the helm have absolutely no plans, no direction whatsoever, they are just reacting to whatever transpires this week. Do they think this is actually going to please the fans?
if you were on a losing team .. wouldn't you want to bail ??
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It's as fake as can be, whereas Jenkins was as real as could be.
Really. WTF does that mean?
DanBenton is brutal. A complete clown.
Jackrabbit should not have been brought back last year. He should have been disciplined/demoted after giving up on plays last year.
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If you work at McDonald's and get mad at a customer and call them that you're getting fired.
If you're a cashier or stock person at Target, getting fired.
If you're at a call center and are talking to a customer on the phone and do that you're getting fired.
If you're a teacher and you call somebody that you're getting fired.
If you're at any office USA and call a customer that, you're getting fired.
You just can't do that. It's never been acceptable in the workplace.
Pretty accurate.
If you work at McDonalds, and you call someone retarded on your personal twitter account, and the manager happens to find out, you probably won't get fired
No but if you call one of the customers in line a retard you would be fire
Well myself and staff have been called a retard and a lot of other names in formation by my battalion commander and he is now a General so your logic does not apply all the time
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And just coincidentally get to save 2.5 million on JJ's salary this year.
But I'm sure that 2.5 million played no role in the decision to cut him
Only if he is claimed on waivers which he likely won't. We will then have to pay him an injury settlement to complete the process. So while we may save on the remaining salary, the injury settlement will likely be close to what would have been owed.
I forgot about the loophole of being waived on a Friday. The waiver claim is extended through Monday at the close of business. Hence, we still will have to pay his weekly game check that is due on Sunday. So that will leave 2 outstanding game checks. We will only get relief if he is claimed. If not, the injury settlement will be the final 2 remaining game checks or else JJ can claim termination pay which he is entitled to the remaining pay.
So either way, we are paying him unless someone claims him. Not many injured players are claimed so we will still be on the hook.
JJ will get paid - ( New Window )
Britt, are you really surprised?
and i really can't believe there are people on this site conflating calling someone a retard with calling someone a nig*er. just mindblowing to me than anyone can be this sanctimonious.
some pathologically oversensitive easily butthurt pussies out there for sure.
i wasn't jenkins biggest fan but he was easily the best corner on the team and has certainly played better than anyone gettleman has brought in, even with the occasional business decision. bethea, beal, baker, haley, ogletree, mayo are all hot garbage.
i shudder to think what happens in this offseason because over the last five plus years mara has shown himself to be incompetent in every capacity.
Him and the coach or coaching staff are at odds and so ... just jettison him and help the tanking. Because yes he did apologize ....
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Britt, are you really surprised?
Ha, yeah... I kinda' am. I mean, this is a guy that pretty much everybody wanted unanimously cut at seasons end. He did something really stupid by a. responding in anger to a fan, b. using a pretty uncool word, and c. then doubled down and refused to apologize.
This is all pretty cut and dried, right? They cut him a few games early to avoid all the headaches that this would surely bring.
Engram.
Yup. Getty is in so far over his head. I think he must have very little emotional intelligence. Seems like a real hair trigger guy.
This.
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