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Quick update on draft order

ray in arlington : 12/15/2019 4:23 pm
NYG at 3-13. Highest pick #1 Lowest pick #3 (#3 involves
MIA taking tiebreak over NYG, which is very unlikely).

NYG at 4-12. Highest pick #2 Lowest pick #7 (#7 involves
JAC taking tiebreak over NYG, which is very unlikely)

NYG at 5-11. Highest pick #2 Lowest pick #9 (#9 involves very unlikely tiebreak).

Ready to answer questions...

We're going to end up picking 4th or 5th, I just know it  
jlukes : 12/15/2019 4:26 pm : link
Friggen Cincinnati is going to win next week. We'll beat Washington
Ray  
Mixon123 : 12/15/2019 4:31 pm : link
Does a loss next week make the #2 pick locked up or would the last week still have potential ramifications?
Why is it unlikely  
ZGiants98 : 12/15/2019 4:31 pm : link
the Dolphins and Giants finished tied?
RE: Ray  
Jolly Blue Giant : 12/15/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14720584 Mixon123 said:
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Does a loss next week make the #2 pick locked up or would the last week still have potential ramifications?

depends on if Miami wins or not
Does  
huygens20 : 12/15/2019 4:33 pm : link
Anyone have the draft order for round 3?
RE: Why is it unlikely  
Jolly Blue Giant : 12/15/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14720587 ZGiants98 said:
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the Dolphins and Giants finished tied?

its unlikely Miami wins tie breaker over the Giants if they are tied.
RE: We're going to end up picking 4th or 5th, I just know it  
Larry in Pencilvania : 12/15/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14720569 jlukes said:
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Friggen Cincinnati is going to win next week. We'll beat Washington


Thanks for your valued input Dr. Sunny Britches
I think Miami wins next weekend.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/15/2019 4:35 pm : link
And I think we lose.
RE: Ray  
ray in arlington : 12/15/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14720584 Mixon123 said:
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Does a loss next week make the #2 pick locked up or would the last week still have potential ramifications?


If you mean locking up top 2, that is close to being true.
The MIA-NYG tiebreak hasn't been clinched yet.
RE: RE: Why is it unlikely  
ZGiants98 : 12/15/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14720596 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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the Dolphins and Giants finished tied?


its unlikely Miami wins tie breaker over the Giants if they are tied.


Why? Doesnt head to head matchup matter?
We're probably finishing 4-12 we'll beat the deadskins  
Torrag : 12/15/2019 4:36 pm : link
So with the likely tiebreaks #2-#6 is probably our Draft range. Lots of good options for elite players in that scenario.
RE: RE: Why is it unlikely  
ray in arlington : 12/15/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14720596 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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the Dolphins and Giants finished tied?


its unlikely Miami wins tie breaker over the Giants if they are tied.


This is what I mean.
Thank you  
Mixon123 : 12/15/2019 4:37 pm : link
Ray, and jolly 😊
RE: RE: RE: Why is it unlikely  
Jolly Blue Giant : 12/15/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14720605 ZGiants98 said:
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the Dolphins and Giants finished tied?


its unlikely Miami wins tie breaker over the Giants if they are tied.



Why? Doesnt head to head matchup matter?

No
RE: RE: RE: Why is it unlikely  
ray in arlington : 12/15/2019 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14720605 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 14720587 ZGiants98 said:


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the Dolphins and Giants finished tied?


its unlikely Miami wins tie breaker over the Giants if they are tied.



Why? Doesnt head to head matchup matter?


Strength of schedule is the first tiebreaker, according to the NFL ops websites and situations I have seen where a 4th place team picked behind a 3rd place team (happened last year with ATL and CAR, for example).
LOL  
Anakim : 12/15/2019 4:40 pm : link
Imagine if we ended up picking ninth after all this shit we've been through. It's not unheard of. Not like Phily or Washington are any good.
Correction  
ray in arlington : 12/15/2019 4:43 pm : link
The JAC-NYG tiebreak is still in play (not "very unlikely" as I wrote in the OP).
Next week is enormous.  
The_Boss : 12/15/2019 4:50 pm : link
And since we all want a loss (for #2 overall) for Christmas the NYG will naturally put coal in our stockings and win.
Can’t assume a Win over WA  
morrison40 : 12/15/2019 4:50 pm : link
They still have better defense personnel
Washington is playing competitive football  
Ben in Tampa : 12/15/2019 4:52 pm : link
The Giants will be the dogs next week for sure

RE: Does  
BleedBlue : 12/15/2019 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14720593 huygens20 said:
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Anyone have the draft order for round 3?



you do know that whining like a cunt about the LW trade wont change the fact it happened right? you bitch every thread about this....
Quick question for Ray or anyone else  
Essex : 12/15/2019 5:03 pm : link
If we are rooting to tank (which I am not fwiw) don’t we need Dallas to win this game so that Philly will have to play irrespective of the result next week?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why is it unlikely  
ZGiants98 : 12/15/2019 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14720615 ray in arlington said:
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In comment 14720596 Jolly Blue Giant said:


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In comment 14720587 ZGiants98 said:


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the Dolphins and Giants finished tied?


its unlikely Miami wins tie breaker over the Giants if they are tied.



Why? Doesnt head to head matchup matter?



Strength of schedule is the first tiebreaker, according to the NFL ops websites and situations I have seen where a 4th place team picked behind a 3rd place team (happened last year with ATL and CAR, for example).


Ok thanks!
RE: Quick question for Ray or anyone else  
ray in arlington : 12/15/2019 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14720680 Essex said:
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If we are rooting to tank (which I am not fwiw) don’t we need Dallas to win this game so that Philly will have to play irrespective of the result next week?


I haven't taken that into account.
In the afternoon games  
myquealer : 12/15/2019 5:07 pm : link
we should be rooting for Cardinals, Jaguars, Falcons, and Rams, right?
How i look at it  
Essex : 12/15/2019 5:07 pm : link
If cowboys win today and lose next week to the Eagles the Eagles would be one game up in standing and tied with Dallas in Division record with one loss. If Dallas beats Washington week 17 Philly would need to beat us to win outright, if they lose to us they would be tied and would be eliminated based on division record?
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David B. : 12/15/2019 5:36 pm : link
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We're going to end up picking 4th or 5th, I just know it
jlukes : 4:26 pm : link : reply
Friggen Cincinnati is going to win next week. We'll beat Washington


I agree. They've fucked everything else up this year, they'll fuck this up too.
I'm OK if we drop into the top offensive tackle  
widmerseyebrow : 12/15/2019 6:10 pm : link
range. We need two offensive lineman in the first two days regardless of whether the Giants or this board thinks we can go another year without.
RE: I'm OK if we drop into the top offensive tackle  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/15/2019 6:16 pm : link
In comment 14720795 widmerseyebrow said:
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range. We need two offensive lineman in the first two days regardless of whether the Giants or this board thinks we can go another year without.


You can't rely on highly drafted offensive linemen to fix the issues in one year. There's almost always a learning curve with rookie tackles.

But, I don't think anyone here believes they can go another year without addressing it.
RE: RE: I'm OK if we drop into the top offensive tackle  
Percy : 12/15/2019 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14720802 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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range. We need two offensive lineman in the first two days regardless of whether the Giants or this board thinks we can go another year without.



You can't rely on highly drafted offensive linemen to fix the issues in one year. There's almost always a learning curve with rookie tackles.

But, I don't think anyone here believes they can go another year without addressing it.

Need a center, too -- and there could be a good one near the top in round two. Of course many positions suggest themselves. Simple BPA might be the right answer.
Next weeks game vs the Redskins  
Jay on the Island : 12/15/2019 7:02 pm : link
will likely decide who gets Chase Young. As much as I hate the Redskins it would be very painful to hand them Chase Young.
RE: RE: We're going to end up picking 4th or 5th, I just know it  
crick n NC : 12/15/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14720599 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Friggen Cincinnati is going to win next week. We'll beat Washington



Thanks for your valued input Dr. Sunny Britches



That entertained me
Thank You
with Arizona and Jacksonville winning  
mphbullet36 : 12/15/2019 7:17 pm : link
we would clinch the #2 pick next week if these 3 things happen

Giants lose to Redskins
Dolphins beat the Bengals
Lions beat the Broncos

all 3 things aren't impossible but those 3 things next week are keeping us from Chase Young.

Please lord.
RE: with Arizona and Jacksonville winning  
ray in arlington : 12/15/2019 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14720866 mphbullet36 said:
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we would clinch the #2 pick next week if these 3 things happen

Giants lose to Redskins
Dolphins beat the Bengals
Lions beat the Broncos

all 3 things aren't impossible but those 3 things next week are keeping us from Chase Young.

Please lord.


not necessarily. i will post soon
RE: RE: with Arizona and Jacksonville winning  
mphbullet36 : 12/15/2019 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14720878 ray in arlington said:
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In comment 14720866 mphbullet36 said:


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we would clinch the #2 pick next week if these 3 things happen

Giants lose to Redskins
Dolphins beat the Bengals
Lions beat the Broncos

all 3 things aren't impossible but those 3 things next week are keeping us from Chase Young.

Please lord.



not necessarily. i will post soon


is there a way the dolphins win a tie break? that is the only way which I thought was impossible
not impossible  
ray in arlington : 12/15/2019 7:38 pm : link
i have been putting "almost certainly" but a slew of games helped mia get close in that tiebreak (will require 6 of 16 games to go a certain way to for NYG to take it).
Right now  
jeff57 : 12/15/2019 7:55 pm : link
Bengals
Giants
Miami
Washington
Detroit
Arizona
Looks like the lowest we can pick now  
WalterSobchak : 12/15/2019 7:56 pm : link
is #6 , not bad , can def get a blue chipper there . Hopefully #2 or #3 with cincy and miami picking ahead if we are at #3
Let’s hope Miami wins next week  
5BowlsSoon : 12/15/2019 7:57 pm : link
I don’t trust these scenarios ray keeps throwing at us. I’m not as confident as he is that a tiebreaker with Miami still causes us to pick ahead of them.
Giants got help  
jeff57 : 12/15/2019 7:57 pm : link
With Atlanta, Jacksonville and Arizona winning. Realistically, looks like highest 2 and lowest 5.
RE: Let’s hope Miami wins next week  
section125 : 12/15/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14720909 5BowlsSoon said:
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I don’t trust these scenarios ray keeps throwing at us. I’m not as confident as he is that a tiebreaker with Miami still causes us to pick ahead of them.


Why? I just looked at tankathon and right now Giants have the #2 pick. ray is pretty diligent.

Of course, these silly basti'ds will probably beat the 'skins.
RE: Correction  
Giantz_comeback : 12/15/2019 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14720631 ray in arlington said:
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The JAC-NYG tiebreak is still in play (not "very unlikely" as I wrote in the OP).


With real rough ballpark while before was maybe a 90-95% chance to pick ahead of Miami due to SOS. Where is it at now?

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