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NFT: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - (NO SPOILERS)

81_Great_Dane : 12/17/2019 6:04 pm
Saw it, liked it, but really only warmed to it in the last hour. (It's 2:22 including credits.) Up to then, I was sort of aware of the filmmaking techniques, and was starting to think "I'm too old for this." I was trying to understand the story rather than getting caught up in the action. But I think that's because the first half or so of the movie is pretty complicated. Once it settles down, it's better.

If you hated "The Last Jedi" because you don't think Jedi can project themselves across the galaxy, you probably will have issues with this one.

Is it a completely satisfying conclusion? I don't think there is any way to have a conclusion that is completely satisfying to everyone. It's like "Game of Thrones" in that sense: Someone will be unhappy about something (Yes, it's better than the last episode of GOT but that's not saying much.). On the whole, I think it wraps things up satisfyingly.

I like Daisy Ridley in these movies. It will be interesting to see if she has a further career. I think she's very appealing but she doesn't seem to be getting traction elsewhere.

Adam Driver isn't going to get credit for it but he's really, really good in this movie. I mean, REALLY good.
All you need to know about this movie  
JohnF : 12/17/2019 6:19 pm : link
is the George Lucas wasn't invited to the premier. From what I heard, this movie wrecks Lucas's conclusion in "Return of the Jedi". I've also heard Lucas sold a "fix" that would have resolved the issues in TROS to Iger, and it was re-shot, but Kathleen Kennedy nixed it.

After Last Jedi, I'm not going anywhere near a Rian Johnson/Kathleen Kennedy mess. Hopefully, those who go will enjoy it.
Daisy Ridley  
HomerJones45 : 12/17/2019 6:46 pm : link
to steal a quote from Dorothy Parker, "she runs the gamut of emotions from A to B."

Ridley appears to utilize one of two facial expressions no matter the situation: confused or angry.
The GoT ending wasn’t just unsatisfying  
UConn4523 : 12/17/2019 7:29 pm : link
it was an abomination. Just thought I’d clear that up.
RE: All you need to know about this movie  
81_Great_Dane : 12/17/2019 7:40 pm : link
In comment 14724107 JohnF said:
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From what I heard, this movie wrecks Lucas's conclusion in "Return of the Jedi".
I don't think it does — but I could be wrong. Someone would have to explain that "wrecking" to me.
Ridley has said  
.McL. : 12/17/2019 8:16 pm : link
that being the lead in this trilogy has left her with almost no time for anything else.

She has the most demanding shooting schedule. She has to do games, and cartoons which are like normal full length movies... In addition there are media events and conventions.

Expect to see her getting at least some outside traction now that her role is largely complete.
How are you seeing it already?  
BlueHurricane : 12/17/2019 9:15 pm : link
???
Haven't seen it, know someone who did  
moespree : 12/17/2019 9:17 pm : link
I'll give you their exact quotes to me:

"Pile of shit", "destroys the entire original", "deeply unsatisfying", "forced political messages", "trash".

From what I've read online there is a lot calling this Game of Thrones 2.0 even right down to the fact that apparently the whole story leaked months ago on reddit and the leaks were so bad no one believed it, and yet apparently it's all true. Just like Game of Thrones.
I am a big Star Wars guy  
Chef : 12/17/2019 9:17 pm : link
I have about $2000 dollars worth of retired lego sets and black series figures... What I do not like is that the whole story originally was all about Darth Vader and his struggles within himself. Anakin Skywalker was the chosen one, who was to destroy the Sith. But only after he becomes the most powerful Sith. In which he does in RTOFTJ when he destroys Palpatine. It was the perfect ending.. and now this...
What I would like to see  
Chef : 12/17/2019 9:23 pm : link
and Disney would not do I am sure. A very dark series that features Lord Vader. Perhaps in between Episode III and IV. Showing how he is ruthless in conquering the galaxy and having them bow down to the Empire...
RE: Haven't seen it, know someone who did  
UConn4523 : 12/17/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14724317 moespree said:
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I'll give you their exact quotes to me:

"Pile of shit", "destroys the entire original", "deeply unsatisfying", "forced political messages", "trash".

From what I've read online there is a lot calling this Game of Thrones 2.0 even right down to the fact that apparently the whole story leaked months ago on reddit and the leaks were so bad no one believed it, and yet apparently it's all true. Just like Game of Thrones.


Sounds like exactly what I figured many would say about it. Extreme reaction for something that’s likely solid and entertaining.

I can’t lie, it’s somewhat satisfying seeing how mad people get over this. I actually hope it ruins some of their childhoods.
RE: How are you seeing it already?  
81_Great_Dane : 12/17/2019 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14724311 BlueHurricane said:
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???
Press screening.
RE: Haven't seen it, know someone who did  
81_Great_Dane : 12/17/2019 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14724317 moespree said:
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I'll give you their exact quotes to me:

"Pile of shit", "destroys the entire original", "deeply unsatisfying", "forced political messages", "trash".

From what I've read online there is a lot calling this Game of Thrones 2.0 even right down to the fact that apparently the whole story leaked months ago on reddit and the leaks were so bad no one believed it, and yet apparently it's all true. Just like Game of Thrones.
Can't really discuss this without getting into spoilers.

Like I said, the first 75 minutes left me cold, then I got engaged. There are things I didn't like, there are some things I kind of hated, and there are things I think a lot of TLJ haters will despise. In general, I liked it but I didn't have the problems with TLJ that a lot of others did.

One thing I loved about the early Star Wars movies, especially "A New Hope," was that the droids were on the one hand basically slaves, and somewhat despised slaves at that, but on the other hand RD-D2 was the real hero who was constantly bailing out the humans (or whatever species they are), and only the audience seemed to really recognize it. That is pretty much abandoned. I miss it.
It’s funny reading the reviews on rotten tomatoes  
Mike in NJ : 12/18/2019 8:08 am : link
Most of the negatives reviews are criticizing it for being too predictable, too much nostalgia, too much fan service, etc.

Sorry but that’s all I want with these movies. Don’t try to get cute, just give me more of what I have always enjoyed about Star Wars. It’s fuckin Star Wars, not The Godfather...
RE: What I would like to see  
Bramton1 : 12/18/2019 9:07 am : link
In comment 14724326 Chef said:
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and Disney would not do I am sure. A very dark series that features Lord Vader. Perhaps in between Episode III and IV. Showing how he is ruthless in conquering the galaxy and having them bow down to the Empire...


There are rumors of a Vader series on Disney+ set during this time period.
I really don't care about the reaction by other Star Wars fans anymore  
Bramton1 : 12/18/2019 9:17 am : link
I'll watch it and see what I think of it.

The Star Wars fan community is become so toxic lately. I can't count on the fan reviews anymore, unless it's that of friends. I just don't know what that person's agenda is. Maybe they don't have an agenda. Their agenda may differ based if they liked or disliked TLJ. Maybe they're automatically predisposed to hate any of the Disney-made Star Wars movies. Maybe they're upset that Lucas's midichorian-heavy storyline for the sequel trilogy wasn't used. Maybe they're upset that Han was killed, that Luke wasn't the badass that he was in the extended universe, or that the lead character is a woman.

So while I'm interested in hearing people's responses, they won't have any effect on my anticipation to see the film in 57 hours and 45 minutes.
So.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/18/2019 9:23 am : link
The Force Awakens got a 93% with critics. "Core" fan boys shit on it.

The Last Jedi got 91% with critics. "Core" fan boys shit on it.

The Rise of Skywalker is sitting at 59%. Think the fans will enjoy this one?

Not likely. They will shit on it. It's what they do.

The Last Jedi dared to be different and got shit on so bad that apparently the new one is SO fan friendly, they might have made a shitty movie. I hope not though.
RE: It’s funny reading the reviews on rotten tomatoes  
UConn4523 : 12/18/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14724615 Mike in NJ said:
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Most of the negatives reviews are criticizing it for being too predictable, too much nostalgia, too much fan service, etc.

Sorry but that’s all I want with these movies. Don’t try to get cute, just give me more of what I have always enjoyed about Star Wars. It’s fuckin Star Wars, not The Godfather...


Not sure if you are watching the Mandalorian but in the most recent episode I was smiling ear to ear at some of the throwback moments they had on it.

I don't need the wheel reinvented with Star Wars, I want to sit back and enjoy what's sure to be some great action, nods to the originals, and an official (i think) end to the main saga. It really isn't that serious.
RE: So.  
NYerInMA : 12/18/2019 9:30 am : link
In comment 14724733 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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The Force Awakens got a 93% with critics. "Core" fan boys shit on it.

The Last Jedi got 91% with critics. "Core" fan boys shit on it.

The Rise of Skywalker is sitting at 59%. Think the fans will enjoy this one?

Not likely. They will shit on it. It's what they do.

The Last Jedi dared to be different and got shit on so bad that apparently the new one is SO fan friendly, they might have made a shitty movie. I hope not though.


I've read a few spoiler-free reviews, and it sounds like, as feared, JJ bent over backwards to accommodate TLJ haters, and went for fan service over a cohesive story. I'll still go see it, of course, because at the end of the day, it's just a movie.
The Madalorian  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/18/2019 9:32 am : link
has been really fantastic. The Star Wars universe is so vast, this series really shows that new and engaging stories can be told outside the Skywalker saga.

And Baby Yoda. Genius move.
RE: The Madalorian  
UConn4523 : 12/18/2019 9:37 am : link
In comment 14724755 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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has been really fantastic. The Star Wars universe is so vast, this series really shows that new and engaging stories can be told outside the Skywalker saga.

And Baby Yoda. Genius move.


It really is. The thread from Episode 6 pretty much ended by the time I caught up but I don't know what some people are complaining about. I don't like everything Disney but they absolutely nailed the Mandalorian.
The NY papers  
Dave on the UWS : 12/18/2019 9:55 am : link
Loved it for whatever that is worth.
I'm getting to a place where...  
Jan in DC : 12/18/2019 10:05 am : link
if I don't have any expectations, I can just go into a movie and just enjoy it for whatever it is. That's what I am going to do with this one.

Rewatched TFA and TLJ to get ready for this. Of course I have criticisms and things I like and didn't, but I'm totally out on the total overreaction to everything in pop culture (and politics, but that's another can of worms).

We want things quantified and in black and white. No nuance. Saying I liked it isn't good enough.
RE: I'm getting to a place where...  
UConn4523 : 12/18/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14724844 Jan in DC said:
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if I don't have any expectations, I can just go into a movie and just enjoy it for whatever it is. That's what I am going to do with this one.

Rewatched TFA and TLJ to get ready for this. Of course I have criticisms and things I like and didn't, but I'm totally out on the total overreaction to everything in pop culture (and politics, but that's another can of worms).

We want things quantified and in black and white. No nuance. Saying I liked it isn't good enough.


I just don't let anything influence my enjoyment of a movie. I read reviews because I find them interesting, and I always love hearing my friends perspective on something we both just watched, but once the credits roll the movie is either something I enjoyed or it isn't, nothing that happens prior can change that.

"Hype" is such a cliched term these days. Its replaced the word "popular", its a covert way of leading the charge to not liking something everyone else does. I generally ignore anything the relates to "hype", good or bad.
RE: All you need to know about this movie  
islander1 : 12/18/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14724107 JohnF said:
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is the George Lucas wasn't invited to the premier. From what I heard, this movie wrecks Lucas's conclusion in "Return of the Jedi". I've also heard Lucas sold a "fix" that would have resolved the issues in TROS to Iger, and it was re-shot, but Kathleen Kennedy nixed it.

After Last Jedi, I'm not going anywhere near a Rian Johnson/Kathleen Kennedy mess. Hopefully, those who go will enjoy it.


You and me both. I'll watch it when it comes to Netflix in a year.
RE: RE: All you need to know about this movie  
Giantology : 12/18/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14725038 islander1 said:
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In comment 14724107 JohnF said:


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is the George Lucas wasn't invited to the premier. From what I heard, this movie wrecks Lucas's conclusion in "Return of the Jedi". I've also heard Lucas sold a "fix" that would have resolved the issues in TROS to Iger, and it was re-shot, but Kathleen Kennedy nixed it.

After Last Jedi, I'm not going anywhere near a Rian Johnson/Kathleen Kennedy mess. Hopefully, those who go will enjoy it.



You and me both. I'll watch it when it comes to Netflix in a year.


You fool. It will never be on Netflix. You'll have to sign up for Disney Plus. MUAHAHAHAHA
the thing about Star Wars is all about the beloved characters  
GMAN4LIFE : 12/18/2019 12:40 pm : link
Luke, Leia, Han, C3PO, Chewy, Vader...

the fans of SW knew the writing on the wall for the characters. The problem had everything to do with TLJ and how the characters were used. Once that movie debuted, everyone drew their attention back to TFA and over analyzed the flaws of that movie.

as for the new movie, its dead on arrival. No one trusts Disney to end the movie such as the awesome EndGame. It could be why there are no SW movies in queue.

But its over. Go in with a mind to say goodbye to the characters you loved and the new ones you can barely care about. Disney did a job. Not a good one IMO.
There are very short memories in this fan base  
Matt M. : 12/18/2019 12:43 pm : link
Force Awakens was getting ripped by tons of fans for being an almost exact replica of A New Hope. Now, JJ Abrams is supposed to be a savior for the franchise? I did not like Last Jedi. But, that doesn't mean all of the criticism of JJ from both before and after Force Awakens aren't valid. Just because he isn't Johnson, doesn't mean this won't have problems.

And for the record, I did enjoy Force Awakens. I didn't love everything about it, but it restored my love for the franchise after the G-d awful prequels. I watched it with the same boyhood wonder as I did in 1977. Of course it helps that my two boys love Star Wars as well. But, Last Jedi did it's very best to undo that love. No, I go into this film expecting to not love it. I assume there will be enough in there for me to walk away not hating it, but I don't think this completely undoes Last Jedi for me.
RE: There are very short memories in this fan base  
GMAN4LIFE : 12/18/2019 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14725205 Matt M. said:
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Force Awakens was getting ripped by tons of fans for being an almost exact replica of A New Hope. Now, JJ Abrams is supposed to be a savior for the franchise? I did not like Last Jedi. But, that doesn't mean all of the criticism of JJ from both before and after Force Awakens aren't valid. Just because he isn't Johnson, doesn't mean this won't have problems.

And for the record, I did enjoy Force Awakens. I didn't love everything about it, but it restored my love for the franchise after the G-d awful prequels. I watched it with the same boyhood wonder as I did in 1977. Of course it helps that my two boys love Star Wars as well. But, Last Jedi did it's very best to undo that love. No, I go into this film expecting to not love it. I assume there will be enough in there for me to walk away not hating it, but I don't think this completely undoes Last Jedi for me.



same... TLJ was pure shit.
TLJ ruined the new trilogy for me. I have no desire to see this film  
GiantsFan84 : 12/18/2019 3:41 pm : link
or rewatch FA or TLJ ever again.
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