Things I like about Martindale:
1) Very real/raw, handles media, runs an aggresive/sound D that rotates guys, blitzes from everywhere, and teaches guys to understand the D and their responsibilities in it from switches, to containment, to reads.
2) Is teaming with Brady as his OC. Brady was the college assistant coach of the year at LSU where he was at the hip with Joe Burrow who just had the best college season a QB can have. Prior to that Brady worked under Sean Payton.
3)This old school aggressive D style with a new age offensive approach could be very refreshing here.
I would fully endorse this hiring. The lone con is Martindale will very likely be coaching until SB Sunday which will hurt his ability to fill out the remainder of his staff.
how did that work with Shurmur or McAdoo.. or any of the other hot coordinators that flamed out as HCs.
Focus on who has the chops to come in here and be a leader of men, a builder of a program and a winning culture, someone who can hire a top notch staff... not who had success as a coordinator and whose scheme you like.
He’s certainly on the fast track, but he’s 30. I think we could get 2 years out of him. QB coach can learn from him during that time.
Let’s also hire someone with consistent results and not 1 year wonders.
how did that work with Shurmur or McAdoo.. or any of the other hot coordinators that flamed out as HCs.
Focus on who has the chops to come in here and be a leader of men, a builder of a program and a winning culture, someone who can hire a top notch staff... not who had success as a coordinator and whose scheme you like.
Im making no such mistake. I’m well aaare of coordinator stirs who need to remain coordinators. Personality matters. Martindale has it. And Harbaugh LSU’s his coordinators meet the media. He does a great job with them. The dude looks like a biker the best Guys will. D afraid of him u til they rea
Like he’s friendly.
Let’s also hire someone with consistent results and not 1 year wonders.
Any extension he signs will have outs for a promotion. If he’s offered an NFL OC job he’s taking it.
how did that work with Shurmur or McAdoo.. or any of the other hot coordinators that flamed out as HCs.
Focus on who has the chops to come in here and be a leader of men, a builder of a program and a winning culture, someone who can hire a top notch staff... not who had success as a coordinator and whose scheme you like.
You can play that game with every scenario. Have coordinators failed as HC? Sure. There have been coordinators that have also succeeded. You can say the same for college HCs, retread NFL coaches, etc.
Obviously that is what we do here at BBI, but the fact is very few if any of us know anything meaningful about these candidates that would translate to how they will perform as HC of the NYG.
but proclaiming that some coordinators success or scheme will somehow make them is a great HC is particularly funny to me since we have just witnessed first hand over the past 4 years how that doesn't translate.
Who's your first choice Phil? Just curious.
We can't hire someone who has only head coached in college because they do not have enough NFL experience.
We can not hire a head coach who was fired from another NFL job because he had already failed.
They tried to groom MacAdoo and then they went with Shurmur who was pretty outside the box for them and it failed.
I think they go with guys with HC experience and that brings us back to Rhule who has HC in college and apparently has left a very positive impression when he worked here under TC.
Or McCarthy who obviously has HCed in the NFL for many years and has 4 NFC championships and a Superbowl to show for it. He jas a great head start on assembling a staff and they may see this as the lowest risk move of all the candidates.
I think the Martindale/Brady tandem has the highest upside but to the Giants familiarity driven thinking the comfort level will be too low with him. Bottomline, too much risk to take on for this organization.
Rhule or McCarthy like most the media has been saying.
We can't hire someone who has only head coached in college because they do not have enough NFL experience.
We can not hire a head coach who was fired from another NFL job because he had already failed.
And DON'T EVER hire a SB winning coach, as they never win again with a new team!
We can't hire someone who has only head coached in college because they do not have enough NFL experience.
We can not hire a head coach who was fired from another NFL job because he had already failed.
Maybe we should hire Gregg Popovich. No basketball coach has ever failed as an NFL head coach! :)
Not a guarantee but they have been strongly connected.
Let’s also hire someone with consistent results and not 1 year wonders.
People are gaga for drafting Burrow - who is a one year wonder - but now critiquing Brady, the passing game coordinator who helped raised Burrow's completion percentage by 20 percent, because he only has one year of proof behind him.
Listen, if you can get Brady as OC, you do it. Watch the concepts he runs and how he schemes guys open. Granted, he has ridiculous talent on that LSU offense to work with, but his schemes are awesome. Our last play caller - who was also our coach - ran Barkley up the middle play after play. That worked well.
I would wait to see what he can do in year 2 of SEC West, he caught Saban and other by surprise in the perfect storm at the right time in close games. And I call that surprise, and expect that to be resolved pretty quickly with scheme and player adjustments. LSU was in the dark ages with their offense so many did not see it coming, sort of like Manziel a few years back and the mobile QB change.
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No, Martindale is strong HD candidate in his own right. He’s very good at generating pressure even elite rushers. I think he’s better HC version of Rex Ryan. He meets with the offensive staff often to compare notes. He understands what Roman is doing with their offense even though it’s not his job as DC. That tells me as HC he’d be even more involved in the overall aspects of team. I think he’d get our defense on track quickly. And I’d want him involved in selecting players for the D with all the assets we have this offseason. He knows guys that fit his scheme.
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Baltimore DCs have all done very well for a very long time there and many have gotten HC jobs and none have been terribly good. They are like the NE assistants
He probably stayed so long because Baltimore elevates their LB coaches to DC because they have a system and their DCs succeed and get HC gigs.
Marvin Lewis
Mike Nolan
Rex Ryan
Chuck Pagano
so Id say there is a few cons here
Baltimore DCs have all done very well for a very long time there and many have gotten HC jobs and none have been terribly good. They are like the NE assistants
He probably stayed so long because Baltimore elevates their LB coaches to DC because they have a system and their DCs succeed and get HC gigs.
Marvin Lewis
Mike Nolan
Rex Ryan
Chuck Pagano
so Id say there is a few cons here
I mean, that is a pretty strong list. No one like Lewis, but he was a HC for quite a while (maybe too long). Rex Ryan had some successful seasons, especially with the Jets. And Pagano won coach of the year one season. You can find a lot of worse.
Baltimore DCs have all done very well for a very long time there and many have gotten HC jobs and none have been terribly good. They are like the NE assistants
He probably stayed so long because Baltimore elevates their LB coaches to DC because they have a system and their DCs succeed and get HC gigs.
Marvin Lewis
Mike Nolan
Rex Ryan
Chuck Pagano
so Id say there is a few cons here
Rex Ryan was a good HC. His issue was never finding a QB. We have to hope we don’t have that issue here. If Jones isn’t good it doesn’t really matter if who we hire.
This is irrelevant but I do like Martindale's interviews. Very low key but intense.
but any can succeed and any can easily fail... how much confidence do you have in this Giant brain trust picking the right one of the bunch?
that said, I am leaning towards the proven commodity. There are too many big name college HC's that have failed in the NFL to feel comfortable going to way of Rhule. You basically have to go back to J Johnson to find the college coach that succeeded in the NFL as a HC.
Obviously that is what we do here at BBI, but the fact is very few if any of us know anything meaningful about these candidates that would translate to how they will perform as HC of the NYG.
but proclaiming that some coordinators success or scheme will somehow make them is a great HC is particularly funny to me since we have just witnessed first hand over the past 4 years how that doesn't translate.
NYC it has amazed me for some time how fans get locked in to a POV to the point they see no merit in any counter argument, but you are correct in stating no one, none of us, has anything but opinions on the topic of the new head coach and whom will or will not be successful
Obviously that is what we do here at BBI, but the fact is very few if any of us know anything meaningful about these candidates that would translate to how they will perform as HC of the NYG.
but proclaiming that some coordinators success or scheme will somehow make them is a great HC is particularly funny to me since we have just witnessed first hand over the past 4 years how that doesn't translate.
Agree completely. Nice job LG...
Obviously that is what we do here at BBI, but the fact is very few if any of us know anything meaningful about these candidates that would translate to how they will perform as HC of the NYG.
but proclaiming that some coordinators success or scheme will somehow make them is a great HC is particularly funny to me since we have just witnessed first hand over the past 4 years how that doesn't translate.
There is more to bring a HC than success as a coordinator. Shurmur and McAdoo were both socially awkward guys. Shurmur has already failed once as a HC on top of his personality, he had no business being hired. The separation between what coordinators can be HCs and cNt be HCs is the man themselves. Our owner is a nerdy man that clearly feels more confident dealing with nerdy type coaches. That needs to change. We aren’t looking for a guy to lead a troop of Boy Scouts.
don't forget McAdoo was a Western PA guy who looked silly in a suit, not exactly a nerd type... though he did come off as socially awkward at times.
don't forget McAdoo was a Western PA guy who looked silly in a suit, not exactly a nerd type... though he did come off as socially awkward at times.
I’ve said this before, McAdoo in hindsight has been proven to have been a success. If I was a team in another market I’d eventually give him a shot. He did not fit NY, but he knows football. He was sabotaged here by a variety of factors:
1) the roster, most specifically OT lacked NFL quality
2) the 2018 team had high expectations, then saw every WR on the roster injured by the end of September. Tough schedule and close losses had them 0-4 and from there the season simply spiraled out of control
3) he had to the guy to correctly point out Eli is finished. The succession plan was endorsed by Mara with Eli starting and getting other QBs looks. The way this was executed blew up, largely in part to Eli not cooperating. However the fact remained they were a 2-11 team with a washed up QB they wre texts to move on from. Mike Francesa got McAdoo fired turning his program into 5 hours of calls daily focused on Eli anger. .0001% of Gisnts fans call sports talk radio, but the stuff went viral and weak Mara caved to it.
Everything since then proved McAdoo Correct. This regime tried “loading up” around Eli and went 5-11 with 4 of the wind v backup QBs. They then gutted the roster. Setting us 2 years behind the course McAdoo wanted....
I had the same question. No connection at all. Rapport tweeted that it’s expected that Martindale will target Brady as his OC. Would be a lot different if there was more substance to it.
Biggest question about Brady is, how much of an impact did he have on Burrow?
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My point is the fallacy of people proclaiming one potential HC or combo of coaches as the best, as if their choice is somehow superior to anothers.
Obviously that is what we do here at BBI, but the fact is very few if any of us know anything meaningful about these candidates that would translate to how they will perform as HC of the NYG.
but proclaiming that some coordinators success or scheme will somehow make them is a great HC is particularly funny to me since we have just witnessed first hand over the past 4 years how that doesn't translate.
NYC it has amazed me for some time how fans get locked in to a POV to the point they see no merit in any counter argument, but you are correct in stating no one, none of us, has anything but opinions on the topic of the new head coach and whom will or will not be successful
Kinda like politics... lol
I do not disagree, though I am not sure McAdoo will get another HC job. His "brand" has been significantly tarnished.
I'll be excited if he gets the job.
How did Martindale do with that defense?
Martindale has ties to Lane Kiffin (coached together in Oakland) and Kiffin has ties to Ed Orgeron
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He took the denver LB coach job with Mcdaniel in 2009 was promtoted to DC in 2010. Then the wheels came off FOR McDaniel...not Martindale. When the HC goes his staff almost always gets chucked for the incoming hire.
How did Martindale do with that defense?
Should we hire Don Bosco or Bergen Catholic’s head coach?
I know pee wee football coach who has won 37 in a row.
I'll be excited if he gets the job.
I would be cautiously optimistic if this is the guy . To me out of the candidates the ones most likely that could be succesful IMO are Rhule, McCarthy, Wink and McDaniels.
McDaniels seems very finicky and I dont think we are high on his list.
Rhule has that CEO personality to his coaching and commands a room and the resume on the college level is impressive.
McCarthys record is fantastic but will his staff be a good one.
Wink/Brady combo in theory is super high upside and great fit for this team.
Gotta make this'll hire based on the HC and not his potential coordinators. Especially if those coordinators are young and could jump ship soon
Just what we need IMHO. No more West Coast offensive coaches
As if to say "our idea was good but wrong coach let's try again" then "our idea was still good but wrong coach and roster, let's try it again "
Then "let's interview a 3rd wco guy"
As if to say: "we didn't fuck up, it's all you other people, try harder "
Um, no, you fucked up.