Said it on Cowherd...
McCarthy apparently "couldnt do that".
Did the Giants dodge a bullet or lost out on a guy they wanted?
My gut says if they really wanted him, they wouldnt have let him leave without a contract.
Some gamesmanship by the Giants.... Rushing JJ into a decision?
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for all giants have their eye on rhule and were will to lose MM because they liked rhule much more...
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McCarthy chose the team with the better talent in place. A team he thinks can compete right away for big prizes.
Nothing more, nothing less.
or he just jumped at a hefty offer considering he didnt have any last yhear
Even if there was a hefty offer, which doesn't hurt, I still think he got handed a pretty good situation to hit the ground running.
he absolutely did. my point was, it isnt gauranteed to be the sole reason. he could have flat out just wanted to be in dallas vs NY. idc either way, i didnt want him but my point is this doesnt diminish the giants job or make it less desirable and this is proof
I'm of the opinion that NYG all along wanted to go young program builder with HC experience. They had Rhule in mind all along, and are probably pissed they didn't try to hire him in 2018.
I'd be extremely happy with Rhule, and still somewhat happy with McDaniels.
Ya know for years I feared after Eli we would be in for a long ride on the QB carousel, looks like we've managed to avoid that.. and jumped on the coaching carousel instead. Fantastic.
I'm assuming you're talking about Rivera & McCarthy... how do you know they were the Giants 2 top candidates?
Nothing more, nothing less.
All we know is that Dallas made an offer to McCarthy and he chose to accept. He most likely left NY without an offer; and he can read reports like the rest of us that the Giants prefer Rhule.
To me there is no evidence that the respective talent level of the two teams was the deciding factor.
I'm of the opinion that NYG all along wanted to go young program builder with HC experience. They had Rhule in mind all along, and are probably pissed they didn't try to hire him in 2018.
If it’s what we wanted why did we want a 2nd interview? How do we know we didn’t want Rivera either? Skins and Dallas signed their guys on the spot. Same could happen with Rhule, doesn’t mean it will, but it’s not in our hands.
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Ya know for years I feared after Eli we would be in for a long ride on the QB carousel, looks like we've managed to avoid that.. and jumped on the coaching carousel instead. Fantastic.
The top 2 candidates are still available.
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McCarthy chose the team with the better talent in place. A team he thinks can compete right away for big prizes.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Or the Giants werent ready to make him an offer
Maybe. But I'm talking about from MM's perspective since he wasn't going to take the follow-up interview with the Giants...
Would you take a 2nd interview with a potential employer, no guarantees, and leave a confirmed job offer?
I'm of the opinion that NYG all along wanted to go young program builder with HC experience. They had Rhule in mind all along, and are probably pissed they didn't try to hire him in 2018.
Now watch the young program builder say NO...I am going back to Baylor...Absolute management ineptitude!!!!
Giants aren't going to cry about losing out on Ron Rivera. He's a good coach, but they've wanted Rhule above all others anyway. It didn't matter.
The top 2 candidates are still available.
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McCarthy going to Dallas. Blank check from Jerry and a talented roster. No income tax in Texas. He's almost 60...this is his last stop as a HC most likely.
I'm of the opinion that NYG all along wanted to go young program builder with HC experience. They had Rhule in mind all along, and are probably pissed they didn't try to hire him in 2018.
If it’s what we wanted why did we want a 2nd interview? How do we know we didn’t want Rivera either? Skins and Dallas signed their guys on the spot. Same could happen with Rhule, doesn’t mean it will, but it’s not in our hands.
Rivera wasn't hired on the spot. There were discussions going on for several weeks.
Just do a little basic fucking research. The news in Charlotte discussed Rivera's interest in Washington and that he was talking with them right after being let go:
According to Rivera, that tape, which spanned across many games, showed him a collection of players who battled. That stood out to him, particularly in a lost season. So then he started having more serious discussions with Dan Snyder.
The Giants are overthinking and slow to act, everyone on this board has Rhule hired before his 1st interview. Both Dallas and the Skins hired their guys on the spot. No 2nd interview was needed with McCarthy. He met with THE people here, it wasn’t a set of ladder interview. The guy has won 130 games and a SB. If you want a 2nd interview it means you wanna hire him, so make an offer. There are 0 other competent reasons to have wanted to meet with him again. His resume is on film.
Takes an inept poster to know....NTTAWWT
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why would the Giants just hire a guy without hearing other pitches from extremely qualified candidates? That would be pathetic. That's what franchises like the Redskins do.
The Giants are overthinking and slow to act, everyone on this board has Rhule hired before his 1st interview. Both Dallas and the Skins hired their guys on the spot. No 2nd interview was needed with McCarthy. He met with THE people here, it wasn’t a set of ladder interview. The guy has won 130 games and a SB. If you want a 2nd interview it means you wanna hire him, so make an offer. There are 0 other competent reasons to have wanted to meet with him again. His resume is on film.
How did that work the last two hirings?
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why would the Giants just hire a guy without hearing other pitches from extremely qualified candidates? That would be pathetic. That's what franchises like the Redskins do.
The Giants are overthinking and slow to act, everyone on this board has Rhule hired before his 1st interview. Both Dallas and the Skins hired their guys on the spot. No 2nd interview was needed with McCarthy. He met with THE people here, it wasn’t a set of ladder interview. The guy has won 130 games and a SB. If you want a 2nd interview it means you wanna hire him, so make an offer. There are 0 other competent reasons to have wanted to meet with him again. His resume is on film.
How did that work the last two hirings?
How did what work? They didn’t hire anyone on the spot last time, they went through their process. When it’s right, it’s right.
You really are a horrific, fucking poster
Would you take a 2nd interview with a potential employer, no guarantees, and leave a confirmed job offer?
I think we're sort of saying the same thing. He had a bird in hand, and it just happened to be the better bird...
So there was no need to book a flight back to the northeast.
Well they did interview Marvin Lewis...
I hate the Rooney Rule... looks like he was brought in for window dressing.
At least thats the perception everybody will have.
And it sucks for the coaches that they almost always have accept the invite, because they cant afford to not to.
Something to remember when dealing with dupes.
It's the thought that counts to this heart.
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Would you take a 2nd interview with a potential employer, no guarantees, and leave a confirmed job offer?
I think we're sort of saying the same thing. He had a bird in hand, and it just happened to be the better bird...
So there was no need to book a flight back to the northeast.
Honestly... starting to thing if the Giants sign Rhule, both Giants & Dallas come our winners. Dallas in win now mode, wneed an experienced SB winning HC.
Giants with a young team, need building and development, get a young HC whos had success with young players, and good track record building programs
Ron Rivera was hired by Washington at their face to face meeting. Curse a little more tough guy. I don’t know what phone calls Rivera had with them prior. Nor do I know what phone calls the Giants have had with these candidates.
What we do know is the Giants wanted to meet McCarthy again. That 2nd meeting was for 1 of 2 things: 1) to offer him a deal or 2) incompetence.
Gather your info and make a decision. This isn’t amateur hour. 2nd interview.
He would have worn out his welcome here quickly.
Facts aren't your strong suit, so the cursing is just there for emphasis to point out the galactic stupidity.
I want them to get their top target.
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was not hired on the spot. Are you going to figure out a way to fucking grasp that point?
Ron Rivera was hired by Washington at their face to face meeting. Curse a little more tough guy. I don’t know what phone calls Rivera had with them prior. Nor do I know what phone calls the Giants have had with these candidates.
What we do know is the Giants wanted to meet McCarthy again. That 2nd meeting was for 1 of 2 things: 1) to offer him a deal or 2) incompetence.
Gather your info and make a decision. This isn’t amateur hour. 2nd interview.
You always leave us with very questionable options.
Why can't it be 3) they weren't sold initially and wanted to take another look or 4) misdirection
You basically post things out of thin air and present us random opinions that you sell as fact.
Honestly... starting to thing if the Giants sign Rhule, both Giants & Dallas come our winners. Dallas in win now mode, wneed an experienced SB winning HC.
Giants with a young team, need building and development, get a young HC whos had success with young players, and good track record building programs
I think we avoided a problem hire with Rivera going to Washington. So that's a plus.
With McCarthy, although not my first choice, I bought into his success more than others and didn't just default to the mainstream line that McCarthy just rode Rodgers's coattails. If anything, Ted Thomson held that team back the most with his reluctance to get more involved in the free agency pool year after year. But since he wasn't on the field wearing a headset, most of the blame gets deflected on McCarthy...
I just don't see all of these near-can't-miss attributes with Rhule that many are subscribing to. I think his resume is too soft. But I appear to be in the minority on this.
If he's hired, I hope he has a big rolodex so we can solve an equally important problem - overall coaching talent.
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was not hired on the spot. Are you going to figure out a way to fucking grasp that point?
Ron Rivera was hired by Washington at their face to face meeting. Curse a little more tough guy. I don’t know what phone calls Rivera had with them prior. Nor do I know what phone calls the Giants have had with these candidates.
What we do know is the Giants wanted to meet McCarthy again. That 2nd meeting was for 1 of 2 things: 1) to offer him a deal or 2) incompetence.
Gather your info and make a decision. This isn’t amateur hour. 2nd interview.
You always leave us with very questionable options.
Why can't it be 3) they weren't sold initially and wanted to take another look or 4) misdirection
You basically post things out of thin air and present us random opinions that you sell as fact.
Another look? These guys don’t magically appear at the interview. We picked the people we wanted to interview. Mike McCarthy coached GB for 15 years. He made a Mike McCarthy project video with what he’s been up to all year. The owners, the GM, the assistant GM met with him for hours. The man is prepared as they come. Their process cost them McCarthy who they had ever reason to hire and clearly they knew it. Rhule better get it done.
I'd rather just lean on the galactically stupid line. Brings back fond memories of "A Few Good Men", even if you strenuously object....
I'd rather just lean on the galactically stupid line. Brings back fond memories of "A Few Good Men", even if you strenuously object....
How many times did the team that hired him interview him?
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also interviewed McCarthy twice. Can you regale us on how their process got in the way too?
I'd rather just lean on the galactically stupid line. Brings back fond memories of "A Few Good Men", even if you strenuously object....
How many times did the team that hired him interview him?
Does interviewing over two days count as two? They liked him enough to meet with him again the second day?
He’s already back with a dupe. Faaaack.