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GloryDayz : 1/6/2020 1:59 pm
Said it on Cowherd...

McCarthy apparently "couldnt do that".

Did the Giants dodge a bullet or lost out on a guy they wanted?

My gut says if they really wanted him, they wouldnt have let him leave without a contract.

Some gamesmanship by the Giants.... Rushing JJ into a decision?
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BleedBlue : 1/6/2020 2:19 pm : link
have NO CLUE what went on behind the scenes so lets stop assuming shit.

for all giants have their eye on rhule and were will to lose MM because they liked rhule much more...
RE: RE: RE: Seems pretty clear...  
BleedBlue : 1/6/2020 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14760991 bw in dc said:
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McCarthy chose the team with the better talent in place. A team he thinks can compete right away for big prizes.

Nothing more, nothing less.



or he just jumped at a hefty offer considering he didnt have any last yhear



Even if there was a hefty offer, which doesn't hurt, I still think he got handed a pretty good situation to hit the ground running.


he absolutely did. my point was, it isnt gauranteed to be the sole reason. he could have flat out just wanted to be in dallas vs NY. idc either way, i didnt want him but my point is this doesnt diminish the giants job or make it less desirable and this is proof
Nothing wrong with  
ryanmkeane : 1/6/2020 2:21 pm : link
McCarthy going to Dallas. Blank check from Jerry and a talented roster. No income tax in Texas. He's almost 60...this is his last stop as a HC most likely.

I'm of the opinion that NYG all along wanted to go young program builder with HC experience. They had Rhule in mind all along, and are probably pissed they didn't try to hire him in 2018.
Definitely dodged a bullet  
The_Boss : 1/6/2020 2:22 pm : link
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Schefter all along  
ryanmkeane : 1/6/2020 2:23 pm : link
was saying Rhule or McDaniels to NYG...looks like that is the case.

I'd be extremely happy with Rhule, and still somewhat happy with McDaniels.
RE: So much for us being  
GloryDayz : 1/6/2020 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14760966 Thankyoueli said:
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The #1 destination. Top 2 candidates off the board, bring on the experiment head coaches.

Ya know for years I feared after Eli we would be in for a long ride on the QB carousel, looks like we've managed to avoid that.. and jumped on the coaching carousel instead. Fantastic.


I'm assuming you're talking about Rivera & McCarthy... how do you know they were the Giants 2 top candidates?
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ryanmkeane : 1/6/2020 2:26 pm : link
peppers has been lurking around here, and somewhat laughed at the idea that McCarthy was a "top tier/serious candidate" for NYG...he's been saying Rhule all along
Always be worried about the guy  
Dankbeerman : 1/6/2020 2:26 pm : link
who nobody wanted last year and is considered a top guy this time around.

RE: Seems pretty clear...  
KeoweeFan : 1/6/2020 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14760949 bw in dc said:
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McCarthy chose the team with the better talent in place. A team he thinks can compete right away for big prizes.

Nothing more, nothing less.

All we know is that Dallas made an offer to McCarthy and he chose to accept. He most likely left NY without an offer; and he can read reports like the rest of us that the Giants prefer Rhule.

To me there is no evidence that the respective talent level of the two teams was the deciding factor.

RE: Nothing wrong with  
GiantsBack2020 : 1/6/2020 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14761000 ryanmkeane said:
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McCarthy going to Dallas. Blank check from Jerry and a talented roster. No income tax in Texas. He's almost 60...this is his last stop as a HC most likely.

I'm of the opinion that NYG all along wanted to go young program builder with HC experience. They had Rhule in mind all along, and are probably pissed they didn't try to hire him in 2018.


If it’s what we wanted why did we want a 2nd interview? How do we know we didn’t want Rivera either? Skins and Dallas signed their guys on the spot. Same could happen with Rhule, doesn’t mean it will, but it’s not in our hands.
RE: Inept Management  
geelabee : 1/6/2020 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14760932 GiantsBack2020 said:
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Dear God


+1
GiantsBack  
ryanmkeane : 1/6/2020 2:28 pm : link
why would the Giants just hire a guy without hearing other pitches from extremely qualified candidates? That would be pathetic. That's what franchises like the Redskins do.
RE: Inept Management  
geelabee : 1/6/2020 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14760930 GiantsBack2020 said:
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Dear God


+1
RE: So much for us being  
GiantGolfer : 1/6/2020 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14760966 Thankyoueli said:
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The #1 destination. Top 2 candidates off the board, bring on the experiment head coaches.

Ya know for years I feared after Eli we would be in for a long ride on the QB carousel, looks like we've managed to avoid that.. and jumped on the coaching carousel instead. Fantastic.


The top 2 candidates are still available.
RE: RE: RE: Seems pretty clear...  
GloryDayz : 1/6/2020 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14760983 bw in dc said:
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McCarthy chose the team with the better talent in place. A team he thinks can compete right away for big prizes.

Nothing more, nothing less.



Or the Giants werent ready to make him an offer



Maybe. But I'm talking about from MM's perspective since he wasn't going to take the follow-up interview with the Giants...


Would you take a 2nd interview with a potential employer, no guarantees, and leave a confirmed job offer?

RE: Nothing wrong with  
geelabee : 1/6/2020 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14761000 ryanmkeane said:
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McCarthy going to Dallas. Blank check from Jerry and a talented roster. No income tax in Texas. He's almost 60...this is his last stop as a HC most likely.

I'm of the opinion that NYG all along wanted to go young program builder with HC experience. They had Rhule in mind all along, and are probably pissed they didn't try to hire him in 2018.


Now watch the young program builder say NO...I am going back to Baylor...Absolute management ineptitude!!!!
Are we seriously  
ryanmkeane : 1/6/2020 2:32 pm : link
still talking about Rivera? He clearly wasn't an option, I'm sure if Giants were totally 100% convinced he would be great, they would have made the call. Gettleman wasn't going to say anything about that in the press conference so he said something to the effect of "the deal was done" in Washington which it basically seemed like that was done weeks before the season was even over. Snyder wanted him, Rivera wanted Skins.

Giants aren't going to cry about losing out on Ron Rivera. He's a good coach, but they've wanted Rhule above all others anyway. It didn't matter.
RE: RE: So much for us being  
ryanmkeane : 1/6/2020 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14761037 GiantGolfer said:
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The top 2 candidates are still available.

Yup
RE: RE: Nothing wrong with  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2020 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14761021 GiantsBack2020 said:
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McCarthy going to Dallas. Blank check from Jerry and a talented roster. No income tax in Texas. He's almost 60...this is his last stop as a HC most likely.

I'm of the opinion that NYG all along wanted to go young program builder with HC experience. They had Rhule in mind all along, and are probably pissed they didn't try to hire him in 2018.



If it’s what we wanted why did we want a 2nd interview? How do we know we didn’t want Rivera either? Skins and Dallas signed their guys on the spot. Same could happen with Rhule, doesn’t mean it will, but it’s not in our hands.


Rivera wasn't hired on the spot. There were discussions going on for several weeks.

Just do a little basic fucking research. The news in Charlotte discussed Rivera's interest in Washington and that he was talking with them right after being let go:

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"Right after Friday the week after I was let go, Mr. Snyder reached out to my agent, so the two of them talked for a couple of days, then I got a phone call from Mr. Snyder on Monday the following week and we started talking," Rivera explained during his introductory presser. "We talked the first day for about 40 minutes and the second day for about 20 and then I went and I got a bunch of tape."

According to Rivera, that tape, which spanned across many games, showed him a collection of players who battled. That stood out to him, particularly in a lost season. So then he started having more serious discussions with Dan Snyder.
RE: GiantsBack  
GiantsBack2020 : 1/6/2020 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14761030 ryanmkeane said:
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why would the Giants just hire a guy without hearing other pitches from extremely qualified candidates? That would be pathetic. That's what franchises like the Redskins do.


The Giants are overthinking and slow to act, everyone on this board has Rhule hired before his 1st interview. Both Dallas and the Skins hired their guys on the spot. No 2nd interview was needed with McCarthy. He met with THE people here, it wasn’t a set of ladder interview. The guy has won 130 games and a SB. If you want a 2nd interview it means you wanna hire him, so make an offer. There are 0 other competent reasons to have wanted to meet with him again. His resume is on film.
RE: Inept Management  
section125 : 1/6/2020 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14760932 GiantsBack2020 said:
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Dear God


Takes an inept poster to know....NTTAWWT
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section125 : 1/6/2020 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14761063 GiantsBack2020 said:
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why would the Giants just hire a guy without hearing other pitches from extremely qualified candidates? That would be pathetic. That's what franchises like the Redskins do.



The Giants are overthinking and slow to act, everyone on this board has Rhule hired before his 1st interview. Both Dallas and the Skins hired their guys on the spot. No 2nd interview was needed with McCarthy. He met with THE people here, it wasn’t a set of ladder interview. The guy has won 130 games and a SB. If you want a 2nd interview it means you wanna hire him, so make an offer. There are 0 other competent reasons to have wanted to meet with him again. His resume is on film.


How did that work the last two hirings?
GiantsBack  
ryanmkeane : 1/6/2020 2:40 pm : link
The Cowboys left Garrett hanging in the weeds, didn't listen to any other candidates, then hired McCarthy. You think that's good business?
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GiantsBack2020 : 1/6/2020 2:42 pm : link
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why would the Giants just hire a guy without hearing other pitches from extremely qualified candidates? That would be pathetic. That's what franchises like the Redskins do.



The Giants are overthinking and slow to act, everyone on this board has Rhule hired before his 1st interview. Both Dallas and the Skins hired their guys on the spot. No 2nd interview was needed with McCarthy. He met with THE people here, it wasn’t a set of ladder interview. The guy has won 130 games and a SB. If you want a 2nd interview it means you wanna hire him, so make an offer. There are 0 other competent reasons to have wanted to meet with him again. His resume is on film.



How did that work the last two hirings?


How did what work? They didn’t hire anyone on the spot last time, they went through their process. When it’s right, it’s right.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2020 2:43 pm : link
Are you going to keep beating this drum even though it is false:

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Both Dallas and the Skins hired their guys on the spot.


You really are a horrific, fucking poster
Rivera..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2020 2:44 pm : link
was not hired on the spot. Are you going to figure out a way to fucking grasp that point?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Seems pretty clear...  
bw in dc : 1/6/2020 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14761046 GloryDayz said:
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Would you take a 2nd interview with a potential employer, no guarantees, and leave a confirmed job offer?


I think we're sort of saying the same thing. He had a bird in hand, and it just happened to be the better bird...

So there was no need to book a flight back to the northeast.
RE: GiantsBack  
GloryDayz : 1/6/2020 2:48 pm : link
In comment 14761070 ryanmkeane said:
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The Cowboys left Garrett hanging in the weeds, didn't listen to any other candidates, then hired McCarthy. You think that's good business?


Well they did interview Marvin Lewis...

I hate the Rooney Rule... looks like he was brought in for window dressing.

At least thats the perception everybody will have.

And it sucks for the coaches that they almost always have accept the invite, because they cant afford to not to.
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crick n NC : 1/6/2020 2:48 pm : link


Something to remember when dealing with dupes.
crick..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2020 2:49 pm : link
I'd give you the thumbs up thingy, but I'm too dense to figure out how to use it!
RE: crick..  
crick n NC : 1/6/2020 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14761094 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'd give you the thumbs up thingy, but I'm too dense to figure out how to use it!


It's the thought that counts to this heart.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Seems pretty clear...  
GloryDayz : 1/6/2020 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14761088 bw in dc said:
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Would you take a 2nd interview with a potential employer, no guarantees, and leave a confirmed job offer?




I think we're sort of saying the same thing. He had a bird in hand, and it just happened to be the better bird...

So there was no need to book a flight back to the northeast.


Honestly... starting to thing if the Giants sign Rhule, both Giants & Dallas come our winners. Dallas in win now mode, wneed an experienced SB winning HC.

Giants with a young team, need building and development, get a young HC whos had success with young players, and good track record building programs
RE: Rivera..  
GiantsBack2020 : 1/6/2020 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14761078 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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was not hired on the spot. Are you going to figure out a way to fucking grasp that point?


Ron Rivera was hired by Washington at their face to face meeting. Curse a little more tough guy. I don’t know what phone calls Rivera had with them prior. Nor do I know what phone calls the Giants have had with these candidates.

What we do know is the Giants wanted to meet McCarthy again. That 2nd meeting was for 1 of 2 things: 1) to offer him a deal or 2) incompetence.

Gather your info and make a decision. This isn’t amateur hour. 2nd interview.
Dodged a big bullet  
larryflower37 : 1/6/2020 2:53 pm : link
Maybe he has learned some humility in the last year and won't be a pompous ass in Dallas but I doubt it.
He would have worn out his welcome here quickly.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2020 2:54 pm : link
Rivera accepted the job offer 48 hours after his interview.

Facts aren't your strong suit, so the cursing is just there for emphasis to point out the galactic stupidity.
The way  
darren in pdx : 1/6/2020 3:00 pm : link
people react to shit here makes me worry how they handle things that actually affect their lives..

I want them to get their top target.
RE: RE: Rivera..  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2020 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14761106 GiantsBack2020 said:
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was not hired on the spot. Are you going to figure out a way to fucking grasp that point?



Ron Rivera was hired by Washington at their face to face meeting. Curse a little more tough guy. I don’t know what phone calls Rivera had with them prior. Nor do I know what phone calls the Giants have had with these candidates.

What we do know is the Giants wanted to meet McCarthy again. That 2nd meeting was for 1 of 2 things: 1) to offer him a deal or 2) incompetence.

Gather your info and make a decision. This isn’t amateur hour. 2nd interview.


You always leave us with very questionable options.

Why can't it be 3) they weren't sold initially and wanted to take another look or 4) misdirection

You basically post things out of thin air and present us random opinions that you sell as fact.
People  
PaulN : 1/6/2020 3:04 pm : link
Know the giants want Rhule, I want to hear the bullshit we are going tp hear after Rhule isn't hired, but this idiots will have an answer for that too, they know nothing, but act like they know everything. Misfits.
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bw in dc : 1/6/2020 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14761101 GloryDayz said:
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Honestly... starting to thing if the Giants sign Rhule, both Giants & Dallas come our winners. Dallas in win now mode, wneed an experienced SB winning HC.

Giants with a young team, need building and development, get a young HC whos had success with young players, and good track record building programs


I think we avoided a problem hire with Rivera going to Washington. So that's a plus.

With McCarthy, although not my first choice, I bought into his success more than others and didn't just default to the mainstream line that McCarthy just rode Rodgers's coattails. If anything, Ted Thomson held that team back the most with his reluctance to get more involved in the free agency pool year after year. But since he wasn't on the field wearing a headset, most of the blame gets deflected on McCarthy...

I just don't see all of these near-can't-miss attributes with Rhule that many are subscribing to. I think his resume is too soft. But I appear to be in the minority on this.

If he's hired, I hope he has a big rolodex so we can solve an equally important problem - overall coaching talent.

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GiantsBack2020 : 1/6/2020 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14761131 UConn4523 said:
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was not hired on the spot. Are you going to figure out a way to fucking grasp that point?



Ron Rivera was hired by Washington at their face to face meeting. Curse a little more tough guy. I don’t know what phone calls Rivera had with them prior. Nor do I know what phone calls the Giants have had with these candidates.

What we do know is the Giants wanted to meet McCarthy again. That 2nd meeting was for 1 of 2 things: 1) to offer him a deal or 2) incompetence.

Gather your info and make a decision. This isn’t amateur hour. 2nd interview.



You always leave us with very questionable options.

Why can't it be 3) they weren't sold initially and wanted to take another look or 4) misdirection

You basically post things out of thin air and present us random opinions that you sell as fact.


Another look? These guys don’t magically appear at the interview. We picked the people we wanted to interview. Mike McCarthy coached GB for 15 years. He made a Mike McCarthy project video with what he’s been up to all year. The owners, the GM, the assistant GM met with him for hours. The man is prepared as they come. Their process cost them McCarthy who they had ever reason to hire and clearly they knew it. Rhule better get it done.
The Panthers..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2020 3:13 pm : link
also interviewed McCarthy twice. Can you regale us on how their process got in the way too?

I'd rather just lean on the galactically stupid line. Brings back fond memories of "A Few Good Men", even if you strenuously object....
RE: The Panthers..  
GiantsBack2020 : 1/6/2020 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14761173 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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also interviewed McCarthy twice. Can you regale us on how their process got in the way too?

I'd rather just lean on the galactically stupid line. Brings back fond memories of "A Few Good Men", even if you strenuously object....


How many times did the team that hired him interview him?
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Britt in VA : 1/6/2020 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14761206 GiantsBack2020 said:
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also interviewed McCarthy twice. Can you regale us on how their process got in the way too?

I'd rather just lean on the galactically stupid line. Brings back fond memories of "A Few Good Men", even if you strenuously object....



How many times did the team that hired him interview him?


Does interviewing over two days count as two? They liked him enough to meet with him again the second day?
Hope somebody behind the scenes is giving advice to Mara on  
TMS : 1/6/2020 3:39 pm : link
this next hire, He is useless himself, but he is an owner and will screw it up again . Hoping some council from someone he respects and trusts. Hope that is Parcells not DG.
Cannot blame McCarthy.  
TMS : 1/6/2020 3:48 pm : link
He brought the most to the table, record and expieriencse wise. Dallas is a attractive destination for any HC. Could have been in the works a long time when they decided to change HCs if they missed the playoffs.
Hope all the hype on Rhule is real.  
TMS : 1/6/2020 3:50 pm : link
More long seasons ahead if it is not.
And he’s banned....  
GiantGolfer : 1/6/2020 4:27 pm : link
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2020  
Dave on the UWS : 1/6/2020 5:52 pm : link
Hmm you have 2nd interviews when you still have questions about a potential hire. It’s called not being stupid- which apparently you are. I’ve hired (and fired ) many people over the years. Some on the spot, some after considering the first interview, and some after a second interview. Been on the receiving end too. If Dallas wants to jump all over a guy nobody wanted last year and whose preference is massages to game planning, then they can knock themselves out!
Thank God Jerry Jones signed him!  
ZogZerg : 1/6/2020 5:54 pm : link
Saved the Giants from themselves.
RE: And he’s banned....  
Mike in Prescott : 1/6/2020 8:31 pm : link
In comment 14761364 GiantGolfer said:
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He’s already back with a dupe. Faaaack.
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