Analysis: “New York gets one of the best and most versatile defenders in the 2020 class at No. 4 overall. I love Simmons& #65533; potential and that he can play literally anywhere. He lines up at linebacker, in the slot, and at single-high safety. He displayed great range on an interception in the College Football Playoff semifinals that shows he's not a normal LB.& #65533;
The next Lawrance Taylor?
An interesting fact he broke OBJ's 200-meter record in HS.
The closer he got to the LOS the worse he looked
Not touching him at 4
If not that, if still useful , you still want to (also) look for that in the draft.
You really need to stack 3 pass defenders in addition to your cornerbacks, be it a lb and two free safety types or what have you.
Thomas from Georgia please - we need an O line.
As a Clemson fanatic, I'm high on Simmons. But I certainly agree with the other comments that his value is dependent on the right scheme that fits his versatility.
He is a classic "coach on the field"; don't know if others have noticed but when Clemson cleared the bench in the 4Q (virtually every game), Venables left Isaiah in to give direction to the rookies and 4th stringers (and presumably because of his range, to reduce the chance of a complete disaster with the newbies).
i'd have no problem with him. I think he's less risky than Thomas.
Our number 1 problem this year was defense.
If Okudah or Simmons are at the top of the board and available either take them or trade down.
Quote:
around here sometimes. What has been the number problem the Giants have been having for several years now?? Oline.. The entire NFC East including the playofff teams have one thing in common, great offensive lines! This should be the number one priority going into the draft! Unless Chase Young is available, then he would be the exception. This draft must be real good and safe.. No gambling and taking chances..
Our number 1 problem this year was defense.
Gettleman is going to prioritize the pass rush and offensive tackle. He’s already on record saying everyone East of the Pacific knows we need a pass rusher. He’s not gonna take a hybrid ILB 4.
The guy Simmons profiles like is a more slender version of Brian Urlacher. Tall, versatile player who converted from S to ILB. I like the player, just not for us. Two goals:
Get to the QB
Fix this Oline
If Okudah or Simmons are at the top of the board and available either take them or trade down.
Whether we take him or not he will be a top 10 pick. How do you know where the Giants have any of those 3 players ranked?
In two drafts it appears DG has been right and drafted the BPA both times.
I still have hope QB hungry teams move up to 2-3 for Tua/Herbert to the Giants at 4. I think it’s more likely Skins stay at 2 and take Young and Lions deal 3 to whoever offers the most to take Tua. That would leave Epenesa and the OTs for the Giants at 4. They can select the player they love the most. Epenesa is an excellent rusher and the guy plays mean. He turns his hips, he’s not stiff. Can use both speed and power.
Athletic, tweener, just dont let him know he plays LB and he'd be all over it. Simmons will be a good player, probably on Kwon Alexander's level. No where near worth the 4th pick though, he's half the prospect Jaylon Smith and even Myles Jack were.
In two drafts it appears DG has been right and drafted the BPA both times.
You think he got the 2018 draft right? Really?
Ok. Not getting into this. The league MVP went 32. A guy with 500 more yards rushing went 33. A HOF G went 6 and Indy got 3 round 2 picks to go with him. I think Gettleman had a very good 2019 draft aside from the Baker deal, but the 2018 draft was a C to this point and trending in the wrong direction. Gettleman has had 2 FA periods and 2 drafts and has nailed 1/4(the 19 draft). His trades have been disastrous picks for Ogletree and a few games of Williams. I hope they give Rhule control of personnel. Let Gettleman help with the technical parts of the job.
Quote:
In comment 14761425 prdave73 said:
Quote:
around here sometimes. What has been the number problem the Giants have been having for several years now?? Oline.. The entire NFC East including the playofff teams have one thing in common, great offensive lines! This should be the number one priority going into the draft! Unless Chase Young is available, then he would be the exception. This draft must be real good and safe.. No gambling and taking chances..
Our number 1 problem this year was defense.
Gettleman is going to prioritize the pass rush and offensive tackle. He’s already on record saying everyone East of the Pacific knows we need a pass rusher. He’s not gonna take a hybrid ILB 4.
He might not but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t. I guess you enjoy watching Olgletree trying to cover people
Absolutely nothing.
The last person I thought reminded me of LT was Lavar Arrington when he was at PSU. He was exhibiting similar athleticism and relentlessness. But as it turned out all of those skills didn't convey to the pros. Still a good pro...but not in the same universe as Lawrence...
Quote:
In comment 14761492 cokeduplt said:
Quote:
In comment 14761425 prdave73 said:
Quote:
around here sometimes. What has been the number problem the Giants have been having for several years now?? Oline.. The entire NFC East including the playofff teams have one thing in common, great offensive lines! This should be the number one priority going into the draft! Unless Chase Young is available, then he would be the exception. This draft must be real good and safe.. No gambling and taking chances..
Our number 1 problem this year was defense.
Gettleman is going to prioritize the pass rush and offensive tackle. He’s already on record saying everyone East of the Pacific knows we need a pass rusher. He’s not gonna take a hybrid ILB 4.
He might not but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t. I guess you enjoy watching Olgletree trying to cover people
Not at all. I’d release Ogletree. That does not mean the resource that replaces Ogletree needs to be the # 4 pick though. This team has a ton of caproom to sign FAs or make trade acquisitions. I would not mind moving Carter inside next to Connelly. This will all have time more discussion after they hire a DC and we know the scheme. They could switch to a 4-3 if they choose, there are enough hollow spots that the roster isn’t solely committed to a 3-4.
This is a really good comp for Simmons
No, Simmons isn’t a thumper, what he is is a PERFECT modern LB who can cover backs and TE and possibly slot, who also happens to be a great blitzer. No, he’s not a 255lb edge rusher and I have no idea why people think he is. He can cover, he’s a great sure tackler, he can blitz, and he has instincts and IQ for the game.
Edmunds had a PFF grade of 59, which is an average LB
2010 Von Miller Texas A&M
2011 Luke Kuechly Boston College
2012 Manti Te'o Notre Dame
2013 C.J. Mosley Alabama
2014 Eric Kendricks UCLA
2015 Jaylon Smith[3] Notre Dame
2016 Reuben Foster[4] Alabama
2017 Roquan Smith Georgia
2018 Devin White LSU
The problem is the old school football minds who can't envision a player this freakish. They want to complain about him not filling one role. If that's the problem, then don't be a modern defensive coordinator. This guy should be switching roles, be all over the field just like how Derwin James is used. Football is evolving, don't be extinct with the other football dinosaurs.
If Okudah or Simmons are at the top of the board and available either take them or trade down.
SO what the young QB is getting beat up. So what that hes the number 1 most important position on the field. So while he is getting badly beaten up at least he can take solace in knowing the giants chose their draft board over giving him, the young QB (and rb) the best possible players ot both protect and enhance their skills.
Do you follow football or just follow stats?
It is still questionable if he got SB right. You did notice he got hurt this year, right? Isn't that why some say you don;t take a RB so early; they get hurt much more easily?
Secondly, without a decent OL-- you realize SB wont be very productive vs good caliber teams, right? SO when are you going to make your move on the OLINE? It's possible your draft board won't have the an Ol position than you need when your pick comes up until maybe in later rounds.
If SB ends up being just a "boom or bust" RB leading to playoff success - you mean there could have been no other option to take instead that would have been better?
Quote:
He obviously got the #2 pick right. Saquon produced over 2K yards and won rookie of the year. Do you follow the team?
Do you follow football or just follow stats?
It is still questionable if he got SB right. You did notice he got hurt this year, right? Isn't that why some say you don;t take a RB so early; they get hurt much more easily?
Secondly, without a decent OL-- you realize SB wont be very productive vs good caliber teams, right? SO when are you going to make your move on the OLINE? It's possible your draft board won't have the an Ol position than you need when your pick comes up until maybe in later rounds.
If SB ends up being just a "boom or bust" RB leading to playoff success - you mean there could have been no other option to take instead that would have been better?
In lasts para I meant -- If SB ends up being just a "boom or bust" RB leading to NO playoff success
I don't have a dog in this fight. I haven't seen enough of Simmons to make an intelligent or accurate call on him, but I've seen varied opinions from several posters I respect, and I appreciate the arguments from both sides.
I will say this, though, with regard to the comparison to LT. Sixteen years ago I wanted the Giants to draft Sean Taylor at #4. I thought he'd revolutionize the Safety position much like LT did for LB. Well, in his brief career that ended so tragically, he didn't quite do that, but I do think he more than justified his draft status. So whomever drafts Simmons (and wherever they draft him), I figure he'll be worth keeping an eye on, just to see what kind of impact he has on his position, and on the league going forward.
He's not nearly the tackler LT was. When LT hit you, you stayed hit. Simmons needs some work there.
WADE PHILLIPS
Quote:
But where is the production?
Where's the production? You mean like the 96 tackles he had on the year. Or the 7 sacks and 14 QB hurries that he had. Those numbers are even more impressive when you realize he wasn't playing a traditional LB role on all of his snaps. He was playing deep safety, he was lining up in the slot against WRs. He lined up against some of the fastest WRs in college football in press man. He's the Butkus award winner for best LB in the country. Look at the least of former Butkus winners in the last 10 years:
2010 Von Miller Texas A&M
2011 Luke Kuechly Boston College
2012 Manti Te'o Notre Dame
2013 C.J. Mosley Alabama
2014 Eric Kendricks UCLA
2015 Jaylon Smith[3] Notre Dame
2016 Reuben Foster[4] Alabama
2017 Roquan Smith Georgia
2018 Devin White LSU
The problem is the old school football minds who can't envision a player this freakish. They want to complain about him not filling one role. If that's the problem, then don't be a modern defensive coordinator. This guy should be switching roles, be all over the field just like how Derwin James is used. Football is evolving, don't be extinct with the other football dinosaurs.
This, exactly
He's not nearly the tackler LT was. When LT hit you, you stayed hit. Simmons needs some work there.
=1(000000000000000000000000000000)
LT arguably the greatest defensive player ever and you have a whacko comment comparing this kid to him.
Probably going to draft another safety or cornerback to let walk away as soon as his rookie contract expires.