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4th pick Clemson LB Isaiah Simmons

Big Daddy : 1/6/2020 3:44 pm
Analysis: “New York gets one of the best and most versatile defenders in the 2020 class at No. 4 overall. I love Simmons& #65533; potential and that he can play literally anywhere. He lines up at linebacker, in the slot, and at single-high safety. He displayed great range on an interception in the College Football Playoff semifinals that shows he's not a normal LB.& #65533;

The next Lawrance Taylor?
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RE: He Looks the part  
nowturnyourheadandcoughlin : 1/6/2020 10:51 pm : link
In comment 14761384 Manning10 said:
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But where is the production?
Where's the production? You mean like the 96 tackles he had on the year. Or the 7 sacks and 14 QB hurries that he had. Those numbers are even more impressive when you realize he wasn't playing a traditional LB role on all of his snaps. He was playing deep safety, he was lining up in the slot against WRs. He lined up against some of the fastest WRs in college football in press man. He's the Butkus award winner for best LB in the country. Look at the least of former Butkus winners in the last 10 years:
2010 Von Miller Texas A&M
2011 Luke Kuechly Boston College
2012 Manti Te'o Notre Dame
2013 C.J. Mosley Alabama
2014 Eric Kendricks UCLA
2015 Jaylon Smith[3] Notre Dame
2016 Reuben Foster[4] Alabama
2017 Roquan Smith Georgia
2018 Devin White LSU

The problem is the old school football minds who can't envision a player this freakish. They want to complain about him not filling one role. If that's the problem, then don't be a modern defensive coordinator. This guy should be switching roles, be all over the field just like how Derwin James is used. Football is evolving, don't be extinct with the other football dinosaurs.
if we grade him high enough for #4 we'll be lucky to have him  
MM_in_NYC : 1/6/2020 11:09 pm : link
he's an amazing fit for what the nfl has become and will continue to evolve into. yes, coaches will need use him correctly. no that shouldn't deter from drafting him
RE: 'Thomas from Georgia please - [b]we need[/b] an O line.'  
giantstock : 1/7/2020 1:58 am : link
In comment 14761496 Torrag said:
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We need...Terrible reason to draft any player. Trust your board. Why the Hell do you spend literally millions to have a draft ranking if you're not going to follow it.

If Okudah or Simmons are at the top of the board and available either take them or trade down.



SO what the young QB is getting beat up. So what that hes the number 1 most important position on the field. So while he is getting badly beaten up at least he can take solace in knowing the giants chose their draft board over giving him, the young QB (and rb) the best possible players ot both protect and enhance their skills.
RE: You think he got the 2018 draft right? Really?  
giantstock : 1/7/2020 2:11 am : link
In comment 14761599 Torrag said:
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He obviously got the #2 pick right. Saquon produced over 2K yards and won rookie of the year. Do you follow the team?


Do you follow football or just follow stats?

It is still questionable if he got SB right. You did notice he got hurt this year, right? Isn't that why some say you don;t take a RB so early; they get hurt much more easily?

Secondly, without a decent OL-- you realize SB wont be very productive vs good caliber teams, right? SO when are you going to make your move on the OLINE? It's possible your draft board won't have the an Ol position than you need when your pick comes up until maybe in later rounds.

If SB ends up being just a "boom or bust" RB leading to playoff success - you mean there could have been no other option to take instead that would have been better?
RE: RE: You think he got the 2018 draft right? Really?  
giantstock : 1/7/2020 8:14 am : link
In comment 14762049 giantstock said:
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In comment 14761599 Torrag said:


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He obviously got the #2 pick right. Saquon produced over 2K yards and won rookie of the year. Do you follow the team?



Do you follow football or just follow stats?

It is still questionable if he got SB right. You did notice he got hurt this year, right? Isn't that why some say you don;t take a RB so early; they get hurt much more easily?

Secondly, without a decent OL-- you realize SB wont be very productive vs good caliber teams, right? SO when are you going to make your move on the OLINE? It's possible your draft board won't have the an Ol position than you need when your pick comes up until maybe in later rounds.

If SB ends up being just a "boom or bust" RB leading to playoff success - you mean there could have been no other option to take instead that would have been better?


In lasts para I meant -- If SB ends up being just a "boom or bust" RB leading to NO playoff success
This reminds me of the discussions regarding Leonard Floyd.  
Klaatu : 1/7/2020 8:27 am : link
Not that they're similar players, only that the debate is similar.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I haven't seen enough of Simmons to make an intelligent or accurate call on him, but I've seen varied opinions from several posters I respect, and I appreciate the arguments from both sides.

I will say this, though, with regard to the comparison to LT. Sixteen years ago I wanted the Giants to draft Sean Taylor at #4. I thought he'd revolutionize the Safety position much like LT did for LB. Well, in his brief career that ended so tragically, he didn't quite do that, but I do think he more than justified his draft status. So whomever drafts Simmons (and wherever they draft him), I figure he'll be worth keeping an eye on, just to see what kind of impact he has on his position, and on the league going forward.
I like Simmons, but any comp to LT  
Section331 : 1/7/2020 8:34 am : link
is simply ridiculous. Apart from the fact that we haven't seen anyone in the draft like LT in 38 years, Simmons isn't that type of player. He is not an elite ER, he can get to the QB, but he has to be schemed to do it. He's not a natural pass rusher like LT was.

He's not nearly the tackler LT was. When LT hit you, you stayed hit. Simmons needs some work there.
RE: Depends on if we have a defensive coordinator creative enough to use  
Jersey55 : 1/7/2020 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14761292 jlukes said:
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Him all over and not just pigeon hole him into a position

WADE PHILLIPS
RE: RE: He Looks the part  
Nine-Tails : 1/7/2020 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14761971 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:
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In comment 14761384 Manning10 said:


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But where is the production?

Where's the production? You mean like the 96 tackles he had on the year. Or the 7 sacks and 14 QB hurries that he had. Those numbers are even more impressive when you realize he wasn't playing a traditional LB role on all of his snaps. He was playing deep safety, he was lining up in the slot against WRs. He lined up against some of the fastest WRs in college football in press man. He's the Butkus award winner for best LB in the country. Look at the least of former Butkus winners in the last 10 years:
2010 Von Miller Texas A&M
2011 Luke Kuechly Boston College
2012 Manti Te'o Notre Dame
2013 C.J. Mosley Alabama
2014 Eric Kendricks UCLA
2015 Jaylon Smith[3] Notre Dame
2016 Reuben Foster[4] Alabama
2017 Roquan Smith Georgia
2018 Devin White LSU

The problem is the old school football minds who can't envision a player this freakish. They want to complain about him not filling one role. If that's the problem, then don't be a modern defensive coordinator. This guy should be switching roles, be all over the field just like how Derwin James is used. Football is evolving, don't be extinct with the other football dinosaurs.


This, exactly
RE: I like Simmons, but any comp to LT  
giantstock : 1/7/2020 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14762201 Section331 said:
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is simply ridiculous. Apart from the fact that we haven't seen anyone in the draft like LT in 38 years, Simmons isn't that type of player. He is not an elite ER, he can get to the QB, but he has to be schemed to do it. He's not a natural pass rusher like LT was.

He's not nearly the tackler LT was. When LT hit you, you stayed hit. Simmons needs some work there.


=1(000000000000000000000000000000)

LT arguably the greatest defensive player ever and you have a whacko comment comparing this kid to him.
Hah, hah...hah  
cznmike : 1/8/2020 7:28 am : link
Unfortunately the Giants only look at the slowest LB to draft in the 3rd-6th rounds, or the oldest FA to sign to contracts that create champagne showers for their agents.
Probably going to draft another safety or cornerback to let walk away as soon as his rookie contract expires.
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