A few years ago. He noted that the talent level difference is very slight among all the players, but what he looks at is the intelligence and reliability factors.
After you teach a man what to do (and explain to him WHY it's important to do things this way), you can turn your back and rely on his intelligence & reliability to modify only if extenuating circumstances dictate (not due to his laziness, mental dullness or inattention).
Unfortunately, our team, the last few years, has been the Perfect Storm of blurred Identity, Design, Incompetence (and eventually distrust & confusion). Both McAdoo & Shurmur were good guys, but they were over-their- heads. Once the vet players sensed that, it was over.
I know you & have famously "clashed" over Engram, in the past. He's a terrific player that can do wonderful things for the team (if his foot is OK). I appreciate you defending him.
I know you & have famously "clashed" over Engram, in the past. He's a terrific player that can do wonderful things for the team (if his foot is OK). I appreciate you defending him.
Manny, I think Engram is a dynamic player. But making him a full-time WR doesn't maximize his strengths. I'm hopeful Judge will utilize him to maximize his play. Just like I hope he does it with Barkley too. We've been too tied to a scheme instead of focusing on winning key 1-on-1 battles. I think Judge understands how important that is. It is how the Pats have consistently won.
though I'm a little worried about what he said about what you need to do in today's NFL. "Run the ball, stop the run, and cover kicks." Maybe that was the NFL 5+ yrs ago but that's not today's NFL. Did love the fact that he said his schemes would be built around the personnel (and not vice versa) and that it would look different week to week.
You don't need to run the ball, stop the run or cover kicks in today's NFL? Seriously? He didn't say those are the three most important things or that he's only focused on that. He said you need to do those things. It's very hard to argue with that.
As we used to say: "NECESSARY, but not SUFFICIENT." "run the ball, stop the run and cover kicks" are unchanging absolutes; the rest comes under the label of "guru schemes" which work for a while but tend to be transient.
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I found it telling the other day that Derrick Henry was so dominant on the ground, yet Tennessee only scored 14 points and easily could have lost the game had a different bounce or a single big play gone NE's way.
Well, Henry's success on the ground also allowed the Titans to keep the Pats off the field; offense can't score if not on the field...
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I found it telling the other day that Derrick Henry was so dominant on the ground, yet Tennessee only scored 14 points and easily could have lost the game had a different bounce or a single big play gone NE's way.
Well, Henry's success on the ground also allowed the Titans to keep the Pats off the field; offense can't score if not on the field...
Time of possession:
TEN: 31:09
NE: 28:51
And remember, Vrabel won 1:46 of TOP on special teams by repeatedly exploiting the rules loophole. If not for that (which had nothing to do with Henry) the Pats win the time of possession.
Henry was phenomenal, but he didn't keep the Pats from having their chances. That game was lost by the Pats' inability to score points in the passing game, which IMO is a prerequisite in today's game unless you have a destroyer like Lamar Jackson.
is directly tied to Tannehills career resurrection. I’m not sure what the argument is anyway, no one is saying passing doesn’t matter in a passing league. And what happens if Henry doesn’t run for 34 times for 180 yards....even worse TOP for the Titans.
is directly tied to Tannehills career resurrection. I’m not sure what the argument is anyway, no one is saying passing doesn’t matter in a passing league. And what happens if Henry doesn’t run for 34 times for 180 yards....even worse TOP for the Titans.
This came up initially because of the comment that this league is about running and stopping the run.
I don't think it is, and further I don't think Judge thinks that. If he thought that he probably wouldn't be talking about being scheme independent (which I think is a great and long overdue approach).
is directly tied to Tannehills career resurrection. I’m not sure what the argument is anyway, no one is saying passing doesn’t matter in a passing league. And what happens if Henry doesn’t run for 34 times for 180 yards....even worse TOP for the Titans.
This came up initially because of the comment that this league is about running and stopping the run.
I don't think it is, and further I don't think Judge thinks that. If he thought that he probably wouldn't be talking about being scheme independent (which I think is a great and long overdue approach).
I agree that stopping the run doesn't really help you win if you can't stop the pass, but I believe what is often implied is that stopping the run helps to stop the pass, and running the ball helps your offense pass the ball.
The key is being able to run the ball well so that the defense doesn't know on any given play whether you are going to run or pass (that's also what makes play action passing work). If a team can't run the ball, and you end up in 2nd & long and 3rd & long all the time, and it's very difficult to pass in those situations for a number of reasons:
1) You have to run longer routes hence giving the pass rush time to get to the QB.
2) You showed you can't run the ball, so the defense knows you have to pass.
3) You need at least 8 yards or so, so again, the defense knows you have to pass.
4) The defense knows you have to throw a medium to long range pass, hence they don't have to cover the short routes and the flats, they can drop more bodies back.
Again, some teams can run the ball and STILL can't pass, and some teams have good enough passing games that they can just throw the ball 50 times a game (although usually those teams use short range dink and dunk passes AS their running game so it's different). But generally-speaking running the ball and stopping the run is important because of the general effect that the running game has on the passing game. I don't think being able to throw the ball well translates so directly to being able to run the ball better, it does somewhat, but at least relatively speaking there's not quite as much of a causal relationship in that direction. The general rule has always been you establish the run so that you can kill them with the pass, not the other way around.
best part of this thread is Greg acting too busy for a 30 min Â
Maybe Judge figures out he has a weapon and has the OC utilize him to threaten defenses and not as an inline TE.
Usually guys who require foot surgery have a hard time running and playing
I think he fits perfectly into Judge's statement about don't tell me what he can't do (block) , tell me what he can do ( catch and run fast) and we'll get him in those positions.
A few years ago. He noted that the talent level difference is very slight among all the players, but what he looks at is the intelligence and reliability factors.
After you teach a man what to do (and explain to him WHY it's important to do things this way), you can turn your back and rely on his intelligence & reliability to modify only if extenuating circumstances dictate (not due to his laziness, mental dullness or inattention).
Unfortunately, our team, the last few years, has been the Perfect Storm of blurred Identity, Design, Incompetence (and eventually distrust & confusion). Both McAdoo & Shurmur were good guys, but they were over-their- heads. Once the vet players sensed that, it was over.
I know you & have famously "clashed" over Engram, in the past. He's a terrific player that can do wonderful things for the team (if his foot is OK). I appreciate you defending him.
I know you & have famously "clashed" over Engram, in the past. He's a terrific player that can do wonderful things for the team (if his foot is OK). I appreciate you defending him.
Manny, I think Engram is a dynamic player. But making him a full-time WR doesn't maximize his strengths. I'm hopeful Judge will utilize him to maximize his play. Just like I hope he does it with Barkley too. We've been too tied to a scheme instead of focusing on winning key 1-on-1 battles. I think Judge understands how important that is. It is how the Pats have consistently won.
Another way to look at the run game is rushing yards per game.
Top 5:
Balt
SF
Tenn
Dallas
Minn
But do teams win because they run a lot? Or do they run a lot because they're winning?
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though I'm a little worried about what he said about what you need to do in today's NFL. "Run the ball, stop the run, and cover kicks." Maybe that was the NFL 5+ yrs ago but that's not today's NFL. Did love the fact that he said his schemes would be built around the personnel (and not vice versa) and that it would look different week to week.
You don't need to run the ball, stop the run or cover kicks in today's NFL? Seriously? He didn't say those are the three most important things or that he's only focused on that. He said you need to do those things. It's very hard to argue with that.
As we used to say: "NECESSARY, but not SUFFICIENT."
"run the ball, stop the run and cover kicks" are unchanging absolutes; the rest comes under the label of "guru schemes" which work for a while but tend to be transient.
I found it telling the other day that Derrick Henry was so dominant on the ground, yet Tennessee only scored 14 points and easily could have lost the game had a different bounce or a single big play gone NE's way.
Well, Henry's success on the ground also allowed the Titans to keep the Pats off the field; offense can't score if not on the field...
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I found it telling the other day that Derrick Henry was so dominant on the ground, yet Tennessee only scored 14 points and easily could have lost the game had a different bounce or a single big play gone NE's way.
Well, Henry's success on the ground also allowed the Titans to keep the Pats off the field; offense can't score if not on the field...
Time of possession:
TEN: 31:09
NE: 28:51
And remember, Vrabel won 1:46 of TOP on special teams by repeatedly exploiting the rules loophole. If not for that (which had nothing to do with Henry) the Pats win the time of possession.
Henry was phenomenal, but he didn't keep the Pats from having their chances. That game was lost by the Pats' inability to score points in the passing game, which IMO is a prerequisite in today's game unless you have a destroyer like Lamar Jackson.
This came up initially because of the comment that this league is about running and stopping the run.
I don't think it is, and further I don't think Judge thinks that. If he thought that he probably wouldn't be talking about being scheme independent (which I think is a great and long overdue approach).
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is directly tied to Tannehills career resurrection. I’m not sure what the argument is anyway, no one is saying passing doesn’t matter in a passing league. And what happens if Henry doesn’t run for 34 times for 180 yards....even worse TOP for the Titans.
This came up initially because of the comment that this league is about running and stopping the run.
I don't think it is, and further I don't think Judge thinks that. If he thought that he probably wouldn't be talking about being scheme independent (which I think is a great and long overdue approach).
I agree that stopping the run doesn't really help you win if you can't stop the pass, but I believe what is often implied is that stopping the run helps to stop the pass, and running the ball helps your offense pass the ball.
The key is being able to run the ball well so that the defense doesn't know on any given play whether you are going to run or pass (that's also what makes play action passing work). If a team can't run the ball, and you end up in 2nd & long and 3rd & long all the time, and it's very difficult to pass in those situations for a number of reasons:
1) You have to run longer routes hence giving the pass rush time to get to the QB.
2) You showed you can't run the ball, so the defense knows you have to pass.
3) You need at least 8 yards or so, so again, the defense knows you have to pass.
4) The defense knows you have to throw a medium to long range pass, hence they don't have to cover the short routes and the flats, they can drop more bodies back.
Again, some teams can run the ball and STILL can't pass, and some teams have good enough passing games that they can just throw the ball 50 times a game (although usually those teams use short range dink and dunk passes AS their running game so it's different). But generally-speaking running the ball and stopping the run is important because of the general effect that the running game has on the passing game. I don't think being able to throw the ball well translates so directly to being able to run the ball better, it does somewhat, but at least relatively speaking there's not quite as much of a causal relationship in that direction. The general rule has always been you establish the run so that you can kill them with the pass, not the other way around.
Very impressed by day 1 of Judge. Its like the exact opposite of the feeling I had with McAdoo when he showed up in his dad's suit.
Usually guys who require foot surgery have a hard time running and playing
I think he fits perfectly into Judge's statement about don't tell me what he can't do (block) , tell me what he can do ( catch and run fast) and we'll get him in those positions.