Am impressed with the PC. I'm thinking the Giant brain trust may deserve props soon. I'll gladly take back my flying monkees comment. Cool Aid for everyone!
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
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Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
You have to admit, its funny that you are spending time on the thread about a press conference.
I know its your schtick but try living a little. There's nothing wrong with tuning in and listening to what the new HC has to say. It doesn't have to mean a whole lot to you personally, but I find it strange that you don't care about what he has to say yet mock Mara or DG for what they say.
impressed with Judge. I'm very impressed with how he carries himself. You just feel a completely different vibe than you did with McAdoo or Shurmur. I never liked the Shurmur hire. I wasn't crazy about McAdoo either. This is looking like a really good gamble.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
The Pats don't have a single identity; they change their approach depending on the opponent. That flexibility requires a certain kind of player and a certain kind of coaching. JJ said he wants exactly that kind of flexibility: Pass 50 times one week, 10 times the next. That's BB's mentality.
Also struck by him talking about figuring out what each player is good at, what he can do to help you win, instead of looking at what they can't do. That seems like it should be a given but I don't think the Giants have always been good at that. That may be why some of their ex-linemen are performing better around the league than they did in blue.
I don't think it's been the case here for quite some time. The Gilbride passing offense had demanding scheme requirements, and they had one identity. McAdoo ran the same Slants/Flats WCO passing concepts as McCarthy. Modernized in some ways, but still consistent week to week
Not sticking to one "scheme" is modern football. The league is too good to try to compete with the same tendencies week after the week. The better you are at different approaches, the harder you are to defend.
I can get the gist of it by reading what people are saying
Honestly, the times I've watched press conferences, I get bored out of my mind within about 30 seconds and turn them off.
The only exception to that is Tony Bennett, because a)I adore that man b)he's always brutally honest. In a nice way, but he never sugarcoats anything c)he never really gives cliched, canned answers.
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
But maybe the pain from the stick breaking in your ass hurt too much that day.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
I feel like it's worth listening to again. He spent a very large portion of his speaking time explaining how you have to tailor your coaching and teaching to the specific person you're working with, and understanding that everyone learns differently.
RE: I can get the gist of it by reading what people are saying
Honestly, the times I've watched press conferences, I get bored out of my mind within about 30 seconds and turn them off.
The only exception to that is Tony Bennett, because a)I adore that man b)he's always brutally honest. In a nice way, but he never sugarcoats anything c)he never really gives cliched, canned answers.
Just do it! I don't disagree with you on principle but I came away extremely impressed. He's incredibly relatable and 100% clear on his objectives or goals. He shook the reporters, IMO. Its worth watching it for that alone.
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
But maybe the pain from the stick breaking in your ass hurt too much that day.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
Do you think Belichick and Saban relate to pop culture? Come on man. If that's what it take we could have just hired Gronk.
I don't see him as DG at all. From a speaking standpoint they are polar opposites. Judge's entire press conference was about teaching - the what, the how and the why. DG isn't that, he's a talent evaluator.
I can't believe this can be chalked up as a "slight red flag", such an odd take.
Not directly from the Parcells/Coughlin TREE, but definitely from the Parcells/Coughlin SCHOOL.
Smashmouth
Blue collar
Physical
Ultra-prepared
Accountable
Contact drills. Teaching how to fucking TACKLE! God knows the Giants D needs that.
Play to a guy's strength. Don't tell me what he can't do. Tell me what he CAN do, and use that! Hello Deandre Baker!
Also loved that he said the Giants will adopt the Belichick approach of adjusting their strengths to the opponents weaknesses on a week-to-week basis. Sometimes the'll throw the ball 40 times, sometimes it will be 10 times with a heavy run game.
He sounds very confident in his beliefs and his approach without being cocky about it. The word that comes to mind is INTENSE! I see why management and ownership was very impressed.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
The guy is 38 years old. There are players in the league older than him. Hes been coaching these modern pro players and has Super Bowl rings from his time with these players. How the hell do you come to the conclusion a 38 year old is going to have an issue dealing with modern players? Its all he knows. He wasnt around in the old days...
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
I feel like it's worth listening to again. He spent a very large portion of his speaking time explaining how you have to tailor your coaching and teaching to the specific person you're working with, and understanding that everyone learns differently.
I can't say I'ts not refreshing to hear this and I'm ok with his as a fan. I just worry in these modern times.
BWinDC "can live with him" for now, until he falters.
I hope the whiners take a good long break, for fucksakes.
Because I'm curious today, I noticed this is the second or third time you've referenced this. I'm guessing it comes from the below exchange I had with japanhead yesterday?
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there are many quality NFL coaches who didn't have prior HC experience. harbaugh, vrabel, shanahan, tomlin.. only a few had been HCs before.
you'd have preferred mccarthy? maybe garrett?
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I think I can live with Judge. I'm trying to read as much as possible to understand his background. But he's got an enormous task in front of him in the league's biggest market with a team that's been a train wreck...
It seems that you have some ax to grind here, so I'm not sure why that is bothersome. japanhead asked me if I would have preferred McCarthy or Garrett. And I responded that I can live with Judge. Clearly implying I like Judge > McCarthy and Garrett.
So enlighten me why you keep referencing that as some sort of insult against Judge? Or whatever you are trying to say...
I've said all along the candidate I didn't want was Rhule. I'm glad Tepper gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. The Giants are better off for it...
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
The guy is 38 years old. There are players in the league older than him. Hes been coaching these modern pro players and has Super Bowl rings from his time with these players. How the hell do you come to the conclusion a 38 year old is going to have an issue dealing with modern players? Its all he knows. He wasnt around in the old days...
Because, ya know. Many young coordinators talk the talk but then haven't learned how to adapt when they get the big show? And not many NFL players are Blue collar anymore...
- I can see why Gettleman likes him, he sounds like a younger version of himself in his philosophies of running the ball/stopping the run.
- sounds very Coughlin/Parcells-esque in talking about playing old school, smash mouth football. Sounds like the Giants of the 80s. Well see if they mindset works in todays NFL 🙏
- Giants wanted a guy who could lead the team and command the room, a CEO type guy. They definitely got what they were looking for.
He can talk to talk, now lets hope he can walk the walk
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
It ain't me, babe. You've got the wrong grump. I wasn't one of the people harping on a lack of press conferences by Mara and Gettleman. Don't care about 'em, as I've said.
I didn't watch theirs either, if it makes you feel any better, but I did laugh at the descriptiongs of them.
- I can see why Gettleman likes him, he sounds like a younger version of himself in his philosophies of running the ball/stopping the run.
- sounds very Coughlin/Parcells-esque in talking about playing old school, smash mouth football. Sounds like the Giants of the 80s. Well see if they mindset works in todays NFL 🙏
- Giants wanted a guy who could lead the team and command the room, a CEO type guy. They definitely got what they were looking for.
He can talk to talk, now lets hope he can walk the walk
He is not TC. He is much more likable and doesn't come across as militant or "a general". He has that "it" factor that must have jumped out at JM and DG in his interview. He is stern and direct, but you can't help but like him. Maybe it's his youth, but there is something about him and others that possess that leadership gene that is impossible to describe.
TC didn't have that. TC was a drill sergeant which can be learned and taught. JJ's leadership skills are raw and organic, from the heart. I know it was only one press conference, but those that have played a lot of organized sports and worked in high pressure, high profile environments will recognize what I am talking about. It's rare and I'm glad he's here.
X's and O's are important but his reference to individual learning styles was truly impressive. One of my biggest beefs was Becther's lack of teaching ability to help, particularly, the younger players absorb his defensive schemes. An excellent coach is by definition an excellent teacher. You must be able to convey and implement your scheme or plan to make your team a winner.
He did great. This guy is a professional and you could see that hes going to follow through on what he says. I got some coughlin/Herman Boone vibes on his no nonsense attitude. I like his approach to filling out the staff and attention to detail. Gettleman may have final say, but Judge will have a strong voice
RE: Some have compared him to TC which is bothersome to me.
He is not TC. He is much more likable and doesn't come across as militant or "a general". He has that "it" factor that must have jumped out at JM and DG in his interview. He is stern and direct, but you can't help but like him. Maybe it's his youth, but there is something about him and others that possess that leadership gene that is impossible to describe.
TC didn't have that. TC was a drill sergeant which can be learned and taught. JJ's leadership skills are raw and organic, from the heart. I know it was only one press conference, but those that have played a lot of organized sports and worked in high pressure, high profile environments will recognize what I am talking about. It's rare and I'm glad he's here.
TC had a resume as a successful college coach and a successful NFL coach. Until Judge puts the words into action and most importantly, results, they're just that. Words.
He is not TC. He is much more likable and doesn't come across as militant or "a general". He has that "it" factor that must have jumped out at JM and DG in his interview. He is stern and direct, but you can't help but like him. Maybe it's his youth, but there is something about him and others that possess that leadership gene that is impossible to describe.
TC didn't have that. TC was a drill sergeant which can be learned and taught. JJ's leadership skills are raw and organic, from the heart. I know it was only one press conference, but those that have played a lot of organized sports and worked in high pressure, high profile environments will recognize what I am talking about. It's rare and I'm glad he's here.
Please, your TC take is complete bullshit pulled out of your ass.
X's and O's are important but his reference to individual learning styles was truly impressive. One of my biggest beefs was Becther's lack of teaching ability to help, particularly, the younger players absorb his defensive schemes. An excellent coach is by definition an excellent teacher. You must be able to convey and implement your scheme or plan to make your team a winner.
The thing that stuck out to me was when he talked about figuring bout how each player learns and teaching him that way. I will take the manager/coach that works with guys to learn how to make them better over the guy that dictates how they need to learn every time.
I like him. If you watched the press conference and you came away not liking this hire then Im not sure what to say. Hes young, but seems mature and poised and ready to lead the New York Football Giants. If there was any doubt about who was in charge in that room, I didnt see it. He anticipated and answered the most important and difficult questions before they were even asked. He was honest and authentic and intelligent.
I watched McCarthy and Rhule and Rivera and its pretty clear to me we got the best press conference. Now that wont me anything if the Judge doesnt win and those other guys do. But I like this guy. No, thats not correct, I love this guy!
Ive been as critical as anyone toward Mara Tisch and Getty. Today, with this hire, Im more than happy to be pleased as punch. Good job Mara Tisch. Good job Getty.
With a headline stating Judge's PC was reminiscent of Coughlin's. Haven't read the article yet but I don't see it that way. From what I remember, Coughlin laid it on thick about playing through injury and seemed to put the onus on the players doing their job. Judge out much more of an onus on the coaches being effective teachers.
With a headline stating Judge's PC was reminiscent of Coughlin's. Haven't read the article yet but I don't see it that way. From what I remember, Coughlin laid it on thick about playing through injury and seemed to put the onus on the players doing their job. Judge out much more of an onus on the coaches being effective teachers.
I also disagree with the Coughlin comparison. My immediate reaction was he seems more like Cowher in his hey day
I like him. If you watched the press conference and you came away not liking this hire then Im not sure what to say. Hes young, but seems mature and poised and ready to lead the New York Football Giants. If there was any doubt about who was in charge in that room, I didnt see it. He anticipated and answered the most important and difficult questions before they were even asked. He was honest and authentic and intelligent.
I watched McCarthy and Rhule and Rivera and its pretty clear to me we got the best press conference. Now that wont me anything if the Judge doesnt win and those other guys do. But I like this guy. No, thats not correct, I love this guy!
Ive been as critical as anyone toward Mara Tisch and Getty. Today, with this hire, Im more than happy to be pleased as punch. Good job Mara Tisch. Good job Getty.
Communication
Collaboration
Consistency
Confidence
On this last one, this is a man that understands that for players to believe in you that you have to be confident. Judge is one of those people who was born to lead.
I just hope fans have some patience and dont panic if the team starts 0-2.
With a headline stating Judge's PC was reminiscent of Coughlin's. Haven't read the article yet but I don't see it that way. From what I remember, Coughlin laid it on thick about playing through injury and seemed to put the onus on the players doing their job. Judge out much more of an onus on the coaches being effective teachers.
I thought his opening statement was very Coughlin-esque. Somebody in the room even joked that former players were having flashbacks.
Lol!
Am impressed with the PC. I'm thinking the Giant brain trust may deserve props soon. I'll gladly take back my flying monkees comment. Cool Aid for everyone!
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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You don't watch press conferences? Ummmmm ok....
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
You have to admit, its funny that you are spending time on the thread about a press conference.
I know its your schtick but try living a little. There's nothing wrong with tuning in and listening to what the new HC has to say. It doesn't have to mean a whole lot to you personally, but I find it strange that you don't care about what he has to say yet mock Mara or DG for what they say.
Its ok to think positively, no one will get hurt.
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this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
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Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
Also struck by him talking about figuring out what each player is good at, what he can do to help you win, instead of looking at what they can't do. That seems like it should be a given but I don't think the Giants have always been good at that. That may be why some of their ex-linemen are performing better around the league than they did in blue.
I don't think it's been the case here for quite some time. The Gilbride passing offense had demanding scheme requirements, and they had one identity. McAdoo ran the same Slants/Flats WCO passing concepts as McCarthy. Modernized in some ways, but still consistent week to week
Not sticking to one "scheme" is modern football. The league is too good to try to compete with the same tendencies week after the week. The better you are at different approaches, the harder you are to defend.
The only exception to that is Tony Bennett, because a)I adore that man b)he's always brutally honest. In a nice way, but he never sugarcoats anything c)he never really gives cliched, canned answers.
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You don't watch press conferences? Ummmmm ok....
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
But maybe the pain from the stick breaking in your ass hurt too much that day.
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this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
I feel like it's worth listening to again. He spent a very large portion of his speaking time explaining how you have to tailor your coaching and teaching to the specific person you're working with, and understanding that everyone learns differently.
The only exception to that is Tony Bennett, because a)I adore that man b)he's always brutally honest. In a nice way, but he never sugarcoats anything c)he never really gives cliched, canned answers.
Just do it! I don't disagree with you on principle but I came away extremely impressed. He's incredibly relatable and 100% clear on his objectives or goals. He shook the reporters, IMO. Its worth watching it for that alone.
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You don't watch press conferences? Ummmmm ok....
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
But maybe the pain from the stick breaking in your ass hurt too much that day.
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this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
Do you think Belichick and Saban relate to pop culture? Come on man. If that's what it take we could have just hired Gronk.
I don't see him as DG at all. From a speaking standpoint they are polar opposites. Judge's entire press conference was about teaching - the what, the how and the why. DG isn't that, he's a talent evaluator.
I can't believe this can be chalked up as a "slight red flag", such an odd take.
Do not think he could have handled it better.
I realize this doesn't guarantee anything, but I feel good with this guy leading us.
I thought the same thing. Had a good answer right away on all questions. Clearly he is quick on his feet. I was impressed.
Not directly from the Parcells/Coughlin TREE, but definitely from the Parcells/Coughlin SCHOOL.
Smashmouth
Blue collar
Physical
Ultra-prepared
Accountable
Contact drills. Teaching how to fucking TACKLE! God knows the Giants D needs that.
Play to a guy's strength. Don't tell me what he can't do. Tell me what he CAN do, and use that! Hello Deandre Baker!
Also loved that he said the Giants will adopt the Belichick approach of adjusting their strengths to the opponents weaknesses on a week-to-week basis. Sometimes the'll throw the ball 40 times, sometimes it will be 10 times with a heavy run game.
He sounds very confident in his beliefs and his approach without being cocky about it. The word that comes to mind is INTENSE! I see why management and ownership was very impressed.
(So far), he sounds extremely impressive to me.
Great hire so far!!
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this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
The guy is 38 years old. There are players in the league older than him. Hes been coaching these modern pro players and has Super Bowl rings from his time with these players. How the hell do you come to the conclusion a 38 year old is going to have an issue dealing with modern players? Its all he knows. He wasnt around in the old days...
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I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
I feel like it's worth listening to again. He spent a very large portion of his speaking time explaining how you have to tailor your coaching and teaching to the specific person you're working with, and understanding that everyone learns differently.
I can't say I'ts not refreshing to hear this and I'm ok with his as a fan. I just worry in these modern times.
I hope the whiners take a good long break, for fucksakes.
Because I'm curious today, I noticed this is the second or third time you've referenced this. I'm guessing it comes from the below exchange I had with japanhead yesterday?
japanhead asked me:
you'd have preferred mccarthy? maybe garrett?
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It seems that you have some ax to grind here, so I'm not sure why that is bothersome. japanhead asked me if I would have preferred McCarthy or Garrett. And I responded that I can live with Judge. Clearly implying I like Judge > McCarthy and Garrett.
So enlighten me why you keep referencing that as some sort of insult against Judge? Or whatever you are trying to say...
I've said all along the candidate I didn't want was Rhule. I'm glad Tepper gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. The Giants are better off for it...
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this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
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Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
The guy is 38 years old. There are players in the league older than him. Hes been coaching these modern pro players and has Super Bowl rings from his time with these players. How the hell do you come to the conclusion a 38 year old is going to have an issue dealing with modern players? Its all he knows. He wasnt around in the old days...
Because, ya know. Many young coordinators talk the talk but then haven't learned how to adapt when they get the big show? And not many NFL players are Blue collar anymore...
That sucks. He should be putting together his staff before someone else hires them. Only somewhat kidding.
- I can see why Gettleman likes him, he sounds like a younger version of himself in his philosophies of running the ball/stopping the run.
- sounds very Coughlin/Parcells-esque in talking about playing old school, smash mouth football. Sounds like the Giants of the 80s. Well see if they mindset works in todays NFL 🙏
- Giants wanted a guy who could lead the team and command the room, a CEO type guy. They definitely got what they were looking for.
He can talk to talk, now lets hope he can walk the walk
It ain't me, babe. You've got the wrong grump. I wasn't one of the people harping on a lack of press conferences by Mara and Gettleman. Don't care about 'em, as I've said.
I didn't watch theirs either, if it makes you feel any better, but I did laugh at the descriptiongs of them.
- I can see why Gettleman likes him, he sounds like a younger version of himself in his philosophies of running the ball/stopping the run.
- sounds very Coughlin/Parcells-esque in talking about playing old school, smash mouth football. Sounds like the Giants of the 80s. Well see if they mindset works in todays NFL 🙏
- Giants wanted a guy who could lead the team and command the room, a CEO type guy. They definitely got what they were looking for.
He can talk to talk, now lets hope he can walk the walk
well said! all of this.
"find what a player can do and use that" was refreshing to hear to me.
TC didn't have that. TC was a drill sergeant which can be learned and taught. JJ's leadership skills are raw and organic, from the heart. I know it was only one press conference, but those that have played a lot of organized sports and worked in high pressure, high profile environments will recognize what I am talking about. It's rare and I'm glad he's here.
TC didn't have that. TC was a drill sergeant which can be learned and taught. JJ's leadership skills are raw and organic, from the heart. I know it was only one press conference, but those that have played a lot of organized sports and worked in high pressure, high profile environments will recognize what I am talking about. It's rare and I'm glad he's here.
TC had a resume as a successful college coach and a successful NFL coach. Until Judge puts the words into action and most importantly, results, they're just that. Words.
Just wow. Guy is INCREDIBLY impressive
TC didn't have that. TC was a drill sergeant which can be learned and taught. JJ's leadership skills are raw and organic, from the heart. I know it was only one press conference, but those that have played a lot of organized sports and worked in high pressure, high profile environments will recognize what I am talking about. It's rare and I'm glad he's here.
Please, your TC take is complete bullshit pulled out of your ass.
The thing that stuck out to me was when he talked about figuring bout how each player learns and teaching him that way. I will take the manager/coach that works with guys to learn how to make them better over the guy that dictates how they need to learn every time.
I watched McCarthy and Rhule and Rivera and its pretty clear to me we got the best press conference. Now that wont me anything if the Judge doesnt win and those other guys do. But I like this guy. No, thats not correct, I love this guy!
Ive been as critical as anyone toward Mara Tisch and Getty. Today, with this hire, Im more than happy to be pleased as punch. Good job Mara Tisch. Good job Getty.
Lets go Big Blue!
I also disagree with the Coughlin comparison. My immediate reaction was he seems more like Cowher in his hey day
I watched McCarthy and Rhule and Rivera and its pretty clear to me we got the best press conference. Now that wont me anything if the Judge doesnt win and those other guys do. But I like this guy. No, thats not correct, I love this guy!
Ive been as critical as anyone toward Mara Tisch and Getty. Today, with this hire, Im more than happy to be pleased as punch. Good job Mara Tisch. Good job Getty.
Lets go Big Blue!
Agree with this 100%
Collaboration
Consistency
Confidence
On this last one, this is a man that understands that for players to believe in you that you have to be confident. Judge is one of those people who was born to lead.
I just hope fans have some patience and dont panic if the team starts 0-2.
I thought his opening statement was very Coughlin-esque. Somebody in the room even joked that former players were having flashbacks.