As they come, but Judge at least knocked the PC out of the park.
In the end it's all going to come down to his staff, the personnel and the results on the field, but at least for now it's nice to have a HC that can actually speak well and be inspiring.
That was probably one of the best PC from a coach I have seen. I was high on him because to me a ST coach doesn't have to put his mark on Off or Def and can run a strong program with great OC and DC to focus on the team as a whole. However after listening to him ... WOW! Yes I am buying in.
The Pats don't have a single identity; they change their approach depending on the opponent. That flexibility requires a certain kind of player and a certain kind of coaching. JJ said he wants exactly that kind of flexibility: Pass 50 times one week, 10 times the next. That's BB's mentality.
Also struck by him talking about figuring out what each player is good at, what he can do to help you win, instead of looking at what they can't do. That seems like it should be a given but I don't think the Giants have always been good at that. That may be why some of their ex-linemen are performing better around the league than they did in blue.
tell me what a player can't do, but what he can do so we can use him to the best of his ability is amazing! You don't think about those things, but man that is so right.
We haven't had a foundation for years now, and I don't mean talent, I mean organization structure and culture. Every bit of him seems like the right guy to build it.
A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically, it's exactly why we were so damn good back then. Football is simple, but it's difficult and it's a grind, those who don't embrace it won't win long term and that's why we've fallen flat. The core philosophy was basketball on grass, then some dummy who talked about fumbling too much then mr. plain who said basically nothing. No catch phrases, no gimmicks, just hard work and fundamentals, music to my ears.
Absolutely love hearing that they will game plan for specific weeks. Use the talents of the players on the roster.
Really, that is the most important thing a coach can do. If you don't have 3-4 talent on D, don't play a 3-4. The best thing BB did was changing continuously. You have Gronk and Hernandez - well, you play two TE sets. Your best players are Moss and Welker? You gear your scheme towards getting the ball to wideouts. Look at what they did with their RBs in NE - Burkhead, Michel, White all contributed.
You can tell he learned well under BB and Saban. Now he needs to apply that to the games. That won't come for a while, but at least there is some excitement.
Obviously a very impressive guy. If he talks like that...clearly and directly...in the locker room and on the sideline we've already got a huge step up on his predecessor.
Favorite parts:
1. Not married to scheme - willing to throw it 50 times one game and 10 the next
2. How you arrived on the team doesn't matter - you have to earn your opportunities
I'm especially interested in #2. That's the area where his "support staff" is more likely to interfere.
The feeling I leave this presser with is: give this guy the keys to the car and get the hell out of his way.
A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically, it's exactly why we were so damn good back then. Football is simple, but it's difficult and it's a grind, those who don't embrace it won't win long term and that's why we've fallen flat. The core philosophy was basketball on grass, then some dummy who talked about fumbling too much then mr. plain who said basically nothing. No catch phrases, no gimmicks, just hard work and fundamentals, music to my ears.
Obviously a very impressive guy. If he talks like that...clearly and directly...in the locker room and on the sideline we've already got a huge step up on his predecessor.
Favorite parts:
1. Not married to scheme - willing to throw it 50 times one game and 10 the next
2. How you arrived on the team doesn't matter - you have to earn your opportunities
I'm especially interested in #2. That's the area where his "support staff" is more likely to interfere.
The feeling I leave this presser with is: give this guy the keys to the car and get the hell out of his way.
A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.
But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
RE: RE: Very easy to see how he won the team over.
A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.
But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
Sure a lot say it. Some coaches/teams can get around it for a game, maybe even a season but it will catch up to you if can't impose your will......playoffs and big games. I think he fully understands this.
He seems pretty no-nonsense. Wants physicality. Wonder if he will look at all the defensive players that made "business decisions" at the end of the season and ask DG to find them a new home. I could live with that if it affords the NYG an opportunity to get tough, winners in house.
He's still going to have to work with the same weak roster, though, so my expectations are tempered.
The best thing he has going for him is when he walks into the locker room, he's not looking at the 2004 NY Giants or the 2017 NY Giants... rooms with veterans with a whole lot of opinions and egos. This is a really young roster he'll be able to mold in his image.
RE: RE: Very easy to see how he won the team over.
It's a long way until he can prove himself on the field, but he made a very impressive introduction.
Absolutely. He definitely had the right buzz words Jints Central very likely they wanted to hear when this process started.
Sounds like they were uninterested in specific player development (e.g Jones), strategies, latest concepts to copy cat, etc.
It was all about the CEO persona...
Its impressive that you came away with that reaction.
He said several times he's not going to get into schemes and players. So the takeaway is that they didn't discuss this with him during the interview? That is some sleuthing ability you've got there.
What i tend to be drawn to with coaches is a no bullshit approach.
When asked how the relationship between him Gettleman regarding personnel would work, he didn't really answer the question. He noted that he studies every player in the draft, what he looks for in players, etc. I'm not sure what to make of that. Maybe he misinterpreted the question. I expected to hear a fairly vanilla answer i.e. "Dave will run the draft but we'll discuss needs, blah, blah, blah".
I thought it would be highly unlikely he would have any say in personnel decisions in his first year as a HC but who knows...
Overall I liked it.
Bonus points for the Miss Cleo reference.
For one, when asked about his view on Daniel Jones. He didn't give one. Said he will evaluate everyone equally. Great look, everyone on notice.
Two, "often people speak of timing. What is your thoughts on this." Answer, "all i care about is right now, this is my time."
Three, he noted "I am not an OC, a DC, etc. I am the coach, I will manage the team and refine fundamentals.
Four, the comment about punching you in the nose for 60 minutes and "this team will reflect the area, it's fans, NY/NJ." I almost ran through a brick wall.
He is intense, has elements of Bill P and Coughlin. He is no joke. How it translates, we'll see. But players better get ready real quick. Class is in session
Compared to Rhule's which seemed like a sermon or like the Miami Heat pep rally when they signed LeBron James.
This was much more genuine. Much less celebration. More like business and like it's time to get back to work.
For me, this was like the scene in Rocky 4 when Tony approaches Rocky and tells him all the BS it will take to beat Drago, but he'll be with him all the way.
For one, when asked about his view on Daniel Jones. He didn't give one. Said he will evaluate everyone equally. Great look, everyone on notice.
Two, "often people speak of timing. What is your thoughts on this." Answer, "all i care about is right now, this is my time."
Three, he noted "I am not an OC, a DC, etc. I am the coach, I will manage the team and refine fundamentals.
Four, the comment about punching you in the nose for 60 minutes and "this team will reflect the area, it's fans, NY/NJ." I almost ran through a brick wall.
He is intense, has elements of Bill P and Coughlin. He is no joke. How it translates, we'll see. But players better get ready real quick. Class is in session
When asked how the relationship between him Gettleman regarding personnel would work, he didn't really answer the question. He noted that he studies every player in the draft, what he looks for in players, etc. I'm not sure what to make of that. Maybe he misinterpreted the question. I expected to hear a fairly vanilla answer i.e. "Dave will run the draft but we'll discuss needs, blah, blah, blah".
I thought it would be highly unlikely he would have any say in personnel decisions in his first year as a HC but who knows...
Overall I liked it.
Bonus points for the Miss Cleo reference.
I'm thinking he'll have a great working relationship with Gettleman.
A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.
But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
Milton. Please watch. I went to this thread looking for your view on it.
A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.
But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
I would suggest you watch it. There is a lot in the in-between moments.
One thing I also liked was his focus on process and teaching as opposed to getting to a certain amount of wins as a goal. The implication is that if there is an effective coaching/teaching/practice process that is implemented and followed, the wins will come. I love this approach.
Seems like a smart guy who has impeccable character and is close in age to the players he will be leading. Hopefully he will be able to turn this ship around.
RE: Very impressed so far for all of the reasons mentioned
One thing I also liked was his focus on process and teaching as opposed to getting to a certain amount of wins as a goal. The implication is that if there is an effective coaching/teaching/practice process that is implemented and followed, the wins will come. I love this approach.
Judge is going for a PhD in education IIRC so hes legitimately trained to teach beyond the confines of a football field. He has the psychological aspect of educating people down which is critical
A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.
But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
He didn't tart it up like McAdoo who talked about "protecting the Duke" and being "heavy handed". Also, you forgot the scheme flexibility angle, we keep going for guys with a certain style, but the style we used in the 80s was the Patriots way now. We beat the opponent with what we have in the best way there is. It may mean throwing it 40 times or running it 40 times, it may be 2 DL or 5 DL, he's being simple and direct about why football is great. He never zeroed in on fumbling like the idiot McAdoo who immediately made everyone think about fumbling with his stupid edict. He said fundamentals, didn't name go in on specific players and kept it team focused and work focused.
My first impression is that bbi is in full-on manic mode.
to fight my whole fucking office.... LETS GO BITCHES!
Holy shit... I've never laughed so hard in all my years on this site... Fucking hilarious comment! I feel the same way surrounded by cowboy fans here in TX!
If Joe Judge makes is wanna fight our office, imagine how the actual players are going to be....
This time I just felt the need. I left work early for several reasons and watching this PC was one of them. I am glad I did. Joe Judge commanded that room like a true General.
I have been in the room with many Generals when in service and only one ever impressed me greatly(GEN Vincent Brooks). Coach Judge just gave me a similar feeling with his PC. Feeling optimistic
I'm not going to have my face stuck in the offensive play book, the defensive or ST playbook. My focus will be on whether my players are focusing on fundamentals, and that the team has situational awareness."
Close to that.
Re. the draft: did he say he's going to prepare so he's familiar with every player on the team's board?
that I have believed the organization is moving us in the right direction, based on solid logic and with an eye towards nailing the processes to sustain success, rather than flawed process and occasionally getting a good result despite it all and never fucking improving because end results dictated evaluation.
I'm not going to have my face stuck in the offensive play book, the defensive or ST playbook. My focus will be on whether my players are focusing on fundamentals, and that the team has situational awareness."
Close to that.
Re. the draft: did he say he's going to prepare so he's familiar with every player on the team's board?
He said that when he was with the Patriots he was familiar with EVERY player in the draft so he knew if they could be used one ST.
It didn't sound like it would be "the same weak roster" for very long.
Are we getting a new GM too?
No, but he made it clear that no one is on "scholarship," among other things. The one takeaway I got after listening to him was "playtime is over." Very similar to the vibe I got with Coughlin after he took over for Fassel. I think Judge is going to more involved with personnel decisions than I initially thought he'd be.
I suggest you listen to the PC when you can, or at least read the transcript when Eric posts it (but that really won't do it justice, no pun intended).
that can change its scheme week-to-week, and that such a team requires a particular kind of player (versatile, flexible, quick learner), it seems likely that JJ will have A LOT of input on ranking prospects for the draft board, even if he's not making the actual picks.
My favorite part about the entire press conference?
clear and focused, has a mantra, but also threw in a few things that made him seem likable (Miss Cleo, making a sandwich, Empire State Building, son is amateur GM, etc.) I think all can be good traits for a coach and the latter will hopefully play well with the media.
I'd expect some attrition on the roster. Not all of these guys are going to like him. DeAndre Baker was the first guy I thought of.
DeAndre Baker might not like him.
But he will respect him.
And Judge - if he's going to be the coach we think - will get Baker to buy in.
Bill, Judge can be a good coach even if players like Baker don't buy in. In fact some players will chose to not buy in because of lack of trust and or they don't want to buy in to his philosophy. It certainly happens.
time in years I am sooooo freaking in. I get the feeling the players are going to feel it's completely unacceptable to let the game slip away, not just for their coach, but themselves. It feels like training camp is a million years away right now.
I hope the oganization and talent selection areas of the org do not fail him. Lastly, hopefully the players selected are here to win championships and not just collect big paychecks and promote themselves on social media.
One of the major parts of Judge's job will be to find anyone not willing to buy in. Those players certainly won't just come out and admit it. It'll take some investigative work.
Some players may definitely have a problem with him.
Now? It feels like our long nightmare might be over. He knows the questions, he knows what it expected, the plan he discussed is one that a lot of us have been begging for.
Now we wait and hope he can pull it off.
RE: Some players may definitely have a problem with him.
If the team has a rough season, I wouldn't be surprised to hear anonymous reports trashing him a la Coughlin.
I doubt it. There are very few remaining vets in the room and most of those guys will be on the way out too. That's the best thing Judge has going for him... the youth of the roster.
Coughlin took over a group with Pro Bowlers, All Pros, and guys who'd been to a Super Bowl.
Am impressed with the PC. I'm thinking the Giant brain trust may deserve props soon. I'll gladly take back my flying monkees comment. Cool Aid for everyone!
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
You have to admit, its funny that you are spending time on the thread about a press conference.
I know its your schtick but try living a little. There's nothing wrong with tuning in and listening to what the new HC has to say. It doesn't have to mean a whole lot to you personally, but I find it strange that you don't care about what he has to say yet mock Mara or DG for what they say.
impressed with Judge. I'm very impressed with how he carries himself. You just feel a completely different vibe than you did with McAdoo or Shurmur. I never liked the Shurmur hire. I wasn't crazy about McAdoo either. This is looking like a really good gamble.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
The Pats don't have a single identity; they change their approach depending on the opponent. That flexibility requires a certain kind of player and a certain kind of coaching. JJ said he wants exactly that kind of flexibility: Pass 50 times one week, 10 times the next. That's BB's mentality.
Also struck by him talking about figuring out what each player is good at, what he can do to help you win, instead of looking at what they can't do. That seems like it should be a given but I don't think the Giants have always been good at that. That may be why some of their ex-linemen are performing better around the league than they did in blue.
I don't think it's been the case here for quite some time. The Gilbride passing offense had demanding scheme requirements, and they had one identity. McAdoo ran the same Slants/Flats WCO passing concepts as McCarthy. Modernized in some ways, but still consistent week to week
Not sticking to one "scheme" is modern football. The league is too good to try to compete with the same tendencies week after the week. The better you are at different approaches, the harder you are to defend.
I can get the gist of it by reading what people are saying
Honestly, the times I've watched press conferences, I get bored out of my mind within about 30 seconds and turn them off.
The only exception to that is Tony Bennett, because a)I adore that man b)he's always brutally honest. In a nice way, but he never sugarcoats anything c)he never really gives cliched, canned answers.
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
But maybe the pain from the stick breaking in your ass hurt too much that day.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
I feel like it's worth listening to again. He spent a very large portion of his speaking time explaining how you have to tailor your coaching and teaching to the specific person you're working with, and understanding that everyone learns differently.
RE: I can get the gist of it by reading what people are saying
Honestly, the times I've watched press conferences, I get bored out of my mind within about 30 seconds and turn them off.
The only exception to that is Tony Bennett, because a)I adore that man b)he's always brutally honest. In a nice way, but he never sugarcoats anything c)he never really gives cliched, canned answers.
Just do it! I don't disagree with you on principle but I came away extremely impressed. He's incredibly relatable and 100% clear on his objectives or goals. He shook the reporters, IMO. Its worth watching it for that alone.
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
But maybe the pain from the stick breaking in your ass hurt too much that day.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
Do you think Belichick and Saban relate to pop culture? Come on man. If that's what it take we could have just hired Gronk.
I don't see him as DG at all. From a speaking standpoint they are polar opposites. Judge's entire press conference was about teaching - the what, the how and the why. DG isn't that, he's a talent evaluator.
I can't believe this can be chalked up as a "slight red flag", such an odd take.
Not directly from the Parcells/Coughlin TREE, but definitely from the Parcells/Coughlin SCHOOL.
Smashmouth
Blue collar
Physical
Ultra-prepared
Accountable
Contact drills. Teaching how to fucking TACKLE! God knows the Giants D needs that.
Play to a guy's strength. Don't tell me what he can't do. Tell me what he CAN do, and use that! Hello Deandre Baker!
Also loved that he said the Giants will adopt the Belichick approach of adjusting their strengths to the opponents weaknesses on a week-to-week basis. Sometimes the'll throw the ball 40 times, sometimes it will be 10 times with a heavy run game.
He sounds very confident in his beliefs and his approach without being cocky about it. The word that comes to mind is INTENSE! I see why management and ownership was very impressed.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
in response to:
Quote:
Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
The guy is 38 years old. There are players in the league older than him. Hes been coaching these modern pro players and has Super Bowl rings from his time with these players. How the hell do you come to the conclusion a 38 year old is going to have an issue dealing with modern players? Its all he knows. He wasnt around in the old days...
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
I feel like it's worth listening to again. He spent a very large portion of his speaking time explaining how you have to tailor your coaching and teaching to the specific person you're working with, and understanding that everyone learns differently.
I can't say I'ts not refreshing to hear this and I'm ok with his as a fan. I just worry in these modern times.
BWinDC "can live with him" for now, until he falters.
I hope the whiners take a good long break, for fucksakes.
Because I'm curious today, I noticed this is the second or third time you've referenced this. I'm guessing it comes from the below exchange I had with japanhead yesterday?
japanhead asked me:
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there are many quality NFL coaches who didn't have prior HC experience. harbaugh, vrabel, shanahan, tomlin.. only a few had been HCs before.
you'd have preferred mccarthy? maybe garrett?
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I think I can live with Judge. I'm trying to read as much as possible to understand his background. But he's got an enormous task in front of him in the league's biggest market with a team that's been a train wreck...
It seems that you have some ax to grind here, so I'm not sure why that is bothersome. japanhead asked me if I would have preferred McCarthy or Garrett. And I responded that I can live with Judge. Clearly implying I like Judge > McCarthy and Garrett.
So enlighten me why you keep referencing that as some sort of insult against Judge? Or whatever you are trying to say...
I've said all along the candidate I didn't want was Rhule. I'm glad Tepper gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. The Giants are better off for it...
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
in response to:
Quote:
Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
The guy is 38 years old. There are players in the league older than him. Hes been coaching these modern pro players and has Super Bowl rings from his time with these players. How the hell do you come to the conclusion a 38 year old is going to have an issue dealing with modern players? Its all he knows. He wasnt around in the old days...
Because, ya know. Many young coordinators talk the talk but then haven't learned how to adapt when they get the big show? And not many NFL players are Blue collar anymore...
- I can see why Gettleman likes him, he sounds like a younger version of himself in his philosophies of running the ball/stopping the run.
- sounds very Coughlin/Parcells-esque in talking about playing old school, smash mouth football. Sounds like the Giants of the 80s. Well see if they mindset works in todays NFL 🙏
- Giants wanted a guy who could lead the team and command the room, a CEO type guy. They definitely got what they were looking for.
He can talk to talk, now lets hope he can walk the walk
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
It ain't me, babe. You've got the wrong grump. I wasn't one of the people harping on a lack of press conferences by Mara and Gettleman. Don't care about 'em, as I've said.
I didn't watch theirs either, if it makes you feel any better, but I did laugh at the descriptiongs of them.
- I can see why Gettleman likes him, he sounds like a younger version of himself in his philosophies of running the ball/stopping the run.
- sounds very Coughlin/Parcells-esque in talking about playing old school, smash mouth football. Sounds like the Giants of the 80s. Well see if they mindset works in todays NFL 🙏
- Giants wanted a guy who could lead the team and command the room, a CEO type guy. They definitely got what they were looking for.
He can talk to talk, now lets hope he can walk the walk
He is not TC. He is much more likable and doesn't come across as militant or "a general". He has that "it" factor that must have jumped out at JM and DG in his interview. He is stern and direct, but you can't help but like him. Maybe it's his youth, but there is something about him and others that possess that leadership gene that is impossible to describe.
TC didn't have that. TC was a drill sergeant which can be learned and taught. JJ's leadership skills are raw and organic, from the heart. I know it was only one press conference, but those that have played a lot of organized sports and worked in high pressure, high profile environments will recognize what I am talking about. It's rare and I'm glad he's here.
X's and O's are important but his reference to individual learning styles was truly impressive. One of my biggest beefs was Becther's lack of teaching ability to help, particularly, the younger players absorb his defensive schemes. An excellent coach is by definition an excellent teacher. You must be able to convey and implement your scheme or plan to make your team a winner.
He did great. This guy is a professional and you could see that hes going to follow through on what he says. I got some coughlin/Herman Boone vibes on his no nonsense attitude. I like his approach to filling out the staff and attention to detail. Gettleman may have final say, but Judge will have a strong voice
RE: Some have compared him to TC which is bothersome to me.
He is not TC. He is much more likable and doesn't come across as militant or "a general". He has that "it" factor that must have jumped out at JM and DG in his interview. He is stern and direct, but you can't help but like him. Maybe it's his youth, but there is something about him and others that possess that leadership gene that is impossible to describe.
TC didn't have that. TC was a drill sergeant which can be learned and taught. JJ's leadership skills are raw and organic, from the heart. I know it was only one press conference, but those that have played a lot of organized sports and worked in high pressure, high profile environments will recognize what I am talking about. It's rare and I'm glad he's here.
TC had a resume as a successful college coach and a successful NFL coach. Until Judge puts the words into action and most importantly, results, they're just that. Words.
He is not TC. He is much more likable and doesn't come across as militant or "a general". He has that "it" factor that must have jumped out at JM and DG in his interview. He is stern and direct, but you can't help but like him. Maybe it's his youth, but there is something about him and others that possess that leadership gene that is impossible to describe.
TC didn't have that. TC was a drill sergeant which can be learned and taught. JJ's leadership skills are raw and organic, from the heart. I know it was only one press conference, but those that have played a lot of organized sports and worked in high pressure, high profile environments will recognize what I am talking about. It's rare and I'm glad he's here.
Please, your TC take is complete bullshit pulled out of your ass.
X's and O's are important but his reference to individual learning styles was truly impressive. One of my biggest beefs was Becther's lack of teaching ability to help, particularly, the younger players absorb his defensive schemes. An excellent coach is by definition an excellent teacher. You must be able to convey and implement your scheme or plan to make your team a winner.
The thing that stuck out to me was when he talked about figuring bout how each player learns and teaching him that way. I will take the manager/coach that works with guys to learn how to make them better over the guy that dictates how they need to learn every time.
I like him. If you watched the press conference and you came away not liking this hire then Im not sure what to say. Hes young, but seems mature and poised and ready to lead the New York Football Giants. If there was any doubt about who was in charge in that room, I didnt see it. He anticipated and answered the most important and difficult questions before they were even asked. He was honest and authentic and intelligent.
I watched McCarthy and Rhule and Rivera and its pretty clear to me we got the best press conference. Now that wont me anything if the Judge doesnt win and those other guys do. But I like this guy. No, thats not correct, I love this guy!
Ive been as critical as anyone toward Mara Tisch and Getty. Today, with this hire, Im more than happy to be pleased as punch. Good job Mara Tisch. Good job Getty.
With a headline stating Judge's PC was reminiscent of Coughlin's. Haven't read the article yet but I don't see it that way. From what I remember, Coughlin laid it on thick about playing through injury and seemed to put the onus on the players doing their job. Judge out much more of an onus on the coaches being effective teachers.
With a headline stating Judge's PC was reminiscent of Coughlin's. Haven't read the article yet but I don't see it that way. From what I remember, Coughlin laid it on thick about playing through injury and seemed to put the onus on the players doing their job. Judge out much more of an onus on the coaches being effective teachers.
I also disagree with the Coughlin comparison. My immediate reaction was he seems more like Cowher in his hey day
I like him. If you watched the press conference and you came away not liking this hire then Im not sure what to say. Hes young, but seems mature and poised and ready to lead the New York Football Giants. If there was any doubt about who was in charge in that room, I didnt see it. He anticipated and answered the most important and difficult questions before they were even asked. He was honest and authentic and intelligent.
I watched McCarthy and Rhule and Rivera and its pretty clear to me we got the best press conference. Now that wont me anything if the Judge doesnt win and those other guys do. But I like this guy. No, thats not correct, I love this guy!
Ive been as critical as anyone toward Mara Tisch and Getty. Today, with this hire, Im more than happy to be pleased as punch. Good job Mara Tisch. Good job Getty.
Communication
Collaboration
Consistency
Confidence
On this last one, this is a man that understands that for players to believe in you that you have to be confident. Judge is one of those people who was born to lead.
I just hope fans have some patience and dont panic if the team starts 0-2.
With a headline stating Judge's PC was reminiscent of Coughlin's. Haven't read the article yet but I don't see it that way. From what I remember, Coughlin laid it on thick about playing through injury and seemed to put the onus on the players doing their job. Judge out much more of an onus on the coaches being effective teachers.
I thought his opening statement was very Coughlin-esque. Somebody in the room even joked that former players were having flashbacks.
That was f-ing impressive!
Put me in coach.
I'm ready to play.
Today.
I realize this doesn't guarantee anything, but I feel good with this guy leading us.
Loved his comment about not trying to be someone you're not with the players, bc if you do that you lose them.
I realize this doesn't guarantee anything, but I feel good with this guy leading us.
'ummms"...
What impressed me most was the similarity to Parcells' individualized approach.
It is said that Parcells' genius was know what buttons to push on each guy.
Judge seems to get that, plus also put it in terms of individualized teaching.
We found our coach..
In the end it's all going to come down to his staff, the personnel and the results on the field, but at least for now it's nice to have a HC that can actually speak well and be inspiring.
Also struck by him talking about figuring out what each player is good at, what he can do to help you win, instead of looking at what they can't do. That seems like it should be a given but I don't think the Giants have always been good at that. That may be why some of their ex-linemen are performing better around the league than they did in blue.
Disciplined football. Something this team hasn't done in years.
That will be our football coach for a long time if given the chance and I think he will get it.
I'd watch even if they didn't have a HC.
Show me the W's.
The best thing he showed is that you're not gonna miss Rhule's sermons.
LOL!! Love the post!! Yeeeeeehaw!!!
Absolutely. He definitely had the right buzz words Jints Central very likely they wanted to hear when this process started.
Sounds like they were uninterested in specific player development (e.g Jones), strategies, latest concepts to copy cat, etc.
It was all about the CEO persona...
I haven't been to one since the Miracle II...
LOL... He's a Ball Coach... Love his take on fundamentals, player evaluation. If we can hire some great coordinators, we may have something boys!
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No "mums"; "ya knows?", etc...very direct answers and statements...quite a stark difference from the last 2 HC intro pressers.
I realize this doesn't guarantee anything, but I feel good with this guy leading us.
'ummms"...
Lots of "oks" though...
Very impressive, confident. Yeah he'll do just fine.
TC isn't out of the league for that reason.
Really, that is the most important thing a coach can do. If you don't have 3-4 talent on D, don't play a 3-4. The best thing BB did was changing continuously. You have Gronk and Hernandez - well, you play two TE sets. Your best players are Moss and Welker? You gear your scheme towards getting the ball to wideouts. Look at what they did with their RBs in NE - Burkhead, Michel, White all contributed.
You can tell he learned well under BB and Saban. Now he needs to apply that to the games. That won't come for a while, but at least there is some excitement.
Favorite parts:
1. Not married to scheme - willing to throw it 50 times one game and 10 the next
2. How you arrived on the team doesn't matter - you have to earn your opportunities
I'm especially interested in #2. That's the area where his "support staff" is more likely to interfere.
The feeling I leave this presser with is: give this guy the keys to the car and get the hell out of his way.
We found our coach..
Let's hope it works.
"Wanna GO, Bro? Let's go!"
"Woooooooooo"
"Wanna go?"
"Woooooooooooooooo"
Good hands.
Favorite parts:
1. Not married to scheme - willing to throw it 50 times one game and 10 the next
2. How you arrived on the team doesn't matter - you have to earn your opportunities
I'm especially interested in #2. That's the area where his "support staff" is more likely to interfere.
The feeling I leave this presser with is: give this guy the keys to the car and get the hell out of his way.
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It's a long way until he can prove himself on the field, but he made a very impressive introduction.
Absolutely. He definitely had the right buzz words Jints Central very likely they wanted to hear when this process started.
Sounds like they were uninterested in specific player development (e.g Jones), strategies, latest concepts to copy cat, etc.
It was all about the CEO persona...
Yeah, I'm sure none of that was discussed, and of course you can tell that after one press conference.
He's still going to have to work with the same weak roster, though, so my expectations are tempered.
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A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.
But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
Sure a lot say it. Some coaches/teams can get around it for a game, maybe even a season but it will catch up to you if can't impose your will......playoffs and big games. I think he fully understands this.
He seems pretty no-nonsense. Wants physicality. Wonder if he will look at all the defensive players that made "business decisions" at the end of the season and ask DG to find them a new home. I could live with that if it affords the NYG an opportunity to get tough, winners in house.
He's still going to have to work with the same weak roster, though, so my expectations are tempered.
The best thing he has going for him is when he walks into the locker room, he's not looking at the 2004 NY Giants or the 2017 NY Giants... rooms with veterans with a whole lot of opinions and egos. This is a really young roster he'll be able to mold in his image.
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It's a long way until he can prove himself on the field, but he made a very impressive introduction.
Absolutely. He definitely had the right buzz words Jints Central very likely they wanted to hear when this process started.
Sounds like they were uninterested in specific player development (e.g Jones), strategies, latest concepts to copy cat, etc.
It was all about the CEO persona...
Its impressive that you came away with that reaction.
He said several times he's not going to get into schemes and players. So the takeaway is that they didn't discuss this with him during the interview? That is some sleuthing ability you've got there.
I thought my interest in the sport -- and the Giants -- was in a slow death spiral. And in 20 minutes, this guy turned that around.
It's just a press conference, but that's my honest reaction.
He's still going to have to work with the same weak roster, though, so my expectations are tempered.
Why not give it a listen on your commute home?
About roster, lets see what happens in FA and then the draft. Lot of pieces to shuffle around
I thought it would be highly unlikely he would have any say in personnel decisions in his first year as a HC but who knows...
Overall I liked it.
Bonus points for the Miss Cleo reference.
Two, "often people speak of timing. What is your thoughts on this." Answer, "all i care about is right now, this is my time."
Three, he noted "I am not an OC, a DC, etc. I am the coach, I will manage the team and refine fundamentals.
Four, the comment about punching you in the nose for 60 minutes and "this team will reflect the area, it's fans, NY/NJ." I almost ran through a brick wall.
He is intense, has elements of Bill P and Coughlin. He is no joke. How it translates, we'll see. But players better get ready real quick. Class is in session
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Sounded good but I dont know how the players of today are going to respond to this attitude. TC is out of the league because of it.
TC isn't out of the league for that reason.
My take is that he's not that much older than his players. I don't think he'll have any trouble relating.
This was much more genuine. Much less celebration. More like business and like it's time to get back to work.
For me, this was like the scene in Rocky 4 when Tony approaches Rocky and tells him all the BS it will take to beat Drago, but he'll be with him all the way.
Two, "often people speak of timing. What is your thoughts on this." Answer, "all i care about is right now, this is my time."
Three, he noted "I am not an OC, a DC, etc. I am the coach, I will manage the team and refine fundamentals.
Four, the comment about punching you in the nose for 60 minutes and "this team will reflect the area, it's fans, NY/NJ." I almost ran through a brick wall.
He is intense, has elements of Bill P and Coughlin. He is no joke. How it translates, we'll see. But players better get ready real quick. Class is in session
Notice how he didnt mention Connecticut ....
He's still going to have to work with the same weak roster, though, so my expectations are tempered.
It didn't sound like it would be "the same weak roster" for very long.
I thought it would be highly unlikely he would have any say in personnel decisions in his first year as a HC but who knows...
Overall I liked it.
Bonus points for the Miss Cleo reference.
I'm thinking he'll have a great working relationship with Gettleman.
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A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.
But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
"Wanna GO, Bro? Let's go!"
"Woooooooooo"
"Wanna go?"
"Woooooooooooooooo"
Thats the Shurminator from American Pie...true story.
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A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.
But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
Judge is going for a PhD in education IIRC so hes legitimately trained to teach beyond the confines of a football field. He has the psychological aspect of educating people down which is critical
Let's hope it translates into wins. I feel encouraged for the first time in a long time about this team.
Are we getting a new GM too?
I hope the whiners take a good long break, for fucksakes.
I like the message.
Old school principles. Music to my ears.
Tackling. Ogletree could use some work on that.
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A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.
But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
Holy shit... I've never laughed so hard in all my years on this site... Fucking hilarious comment! I feel the same way surrounded by cowboy fans here in TX!
If Joe Judge makes is wanna fight our office, imagine how the actual players are going to be....
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I was thinking something like this, too.
I'd expect some attrition on the roster. Not all of these guys are going to like him. DeAndre Baker was the first guy I thought of.
I have been in the room with many Generals when in service and only one ever impressed me greatly(GEN Vincent Brooks). Coach Judge just gave me a similar feeling with his PC. Feeling optimistic
Close to that.
Re. the draft: did he say he's going to prepare so he's familiar with every player on the team's board?
I have forgotten what that feels like.
I remain supremely cautious in my optimism.
Close to that.
Re. the draft: did he say he's going to prepare so he's familiar with every player on the team's board?
He said that when he was with the Patriots he was familiar with EVERY player in the draft so he knew if they could be used one ST.
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It didn't sound like it would be "the same weak roster" for very long.
Are we getting a new GM too?
No, but he made it clear that no one is on "scholarship," among other things. The one takeaway I got after listening to him was "playtime is over." Very similar to the vibe I got with Coughlin after he took over for Fassel. I think Judge is going to more involved with personnel decisions than I initially thought he'd be.
I suggest you listen to the PC when you can, or at least read the transcript when Eric posts it (but that really won't do it justice, no pun intended).
I could feel the lineman on both sides of the ball smiling from ear to ear.
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Janoris Jenkins would like him. lol
I was thinking something like this, too.
I'd expect some attrition on the roster. Not all of these guys are going to like him. DeAndre Baker was the first guy I thought of.
DeAndre Baker might not like him.
But he will respect him.
And Judge - if he's going to be the coach we think - will get Baker to buy in.
Proof is in the product. The good news is that Shurmur has a more established track record than McAdoo and seems more mature.
But let's not get too giddy just yet.
The was a comment by Eric from two years ago, when Shurmur was introduced. I know we're all psyched. But the proof is still in the product.
But man, that was a damn good intro conference. I am excited about this guy.
Something that hasn't happened in a long time.
Hopefully good vibes. I personally don't mind the hire.
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Janoris Jenkins would like him. lol
I was thinking something like this, too.
I'd expect some attrition on the roster. Not all of these guys are going to like him. DeAndre Baker was the first guy I thought of.
DeAndre Baker might not like him.
But he will respect him.
And Judge - if he's going to be the coach we think - will get Baker to buy in.
Bill, Judge can be a good coach even if players like Baker don't buy in. In fact some players will chose to not buy in because of lack of trust and or they don't want to buy in to his philosophy. It certainly happens.
But man, that was a damn good intro conference. I am excited about this guy.
+1
He's still going to have to work with the same weak roster, though, so my expectations are tempered.
You don't watch press conferences? Ummmmm ok....
Now we wait and hope he can pull it off.
I doubt it. There are very few remaining vets in the room and most of those guys will be on the way out too. That's the best thing Judge has going for him... the youth of the roster.
Coughlin took over a group with Pro Bowlers, All Pros, and guys who'd been to a Super Bowl.
Lol!
Am impressed with the PC. I'm thinking the Giant brain trust may deserve props soon. I'll gladly take back my flying monkees comment. Cool Aid for everyone!
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
@bomani_jones
this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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You don't watch press conferences? Ummmmm ok....
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
You have to admit, its funny that you are spending time on the thread about a press conference.
I know its your schtick but try living a little. There's nothing wrong with tuning in and listening to what the new HC has to say. It doesn't have to mean a whole lot to you personally, but I find it strange that you don't care about what he has to say yet mock Mara or DG for what they say.
Its ok to think positively, no one will get hurt.
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this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
Also struck by him talking about figuring out what each player is good at, what he can do to help you win, instead of looking at what they can't do. That seems like it should be a given but I don't think the Giants have always been good at that. That may be why some of their ex-linemen are performing better around the league than they did in blue.
I don't think it's been the case here for quite some time. The Gilbride passing offense had demanding scheme requirements, and they had one identity. McAdoo ran the same Slants/Flats WCO passing concepts as McCarthy. Modernized in some ways, but still consistent week to week
Not sticking to one "scheme" is modern football. The league is too good to try to compete with the same tendencies week after the week. The better you are at different approaches, the harder you are to defend.
The only exception to that is Tony Bennett, because a)I adore that man b)he's always brutally honest. In a nice way, but he never sugarcoats anything c)he never really gives cliched, canned answers.
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You don't watch press conferences? Ummmmm ok....
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
But maybe the pain from the stick breaking in your ass hurt too much that day.
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this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
I feel like it's worth listening to again. He spent a very large portion of his speaking time explaining how you have to tailor your coaching and teaching to the specific person you're working with, and understanding that everyone learns differently.
The only exception to that is Tony Bennett, because a)I adore that man b)he's always brutally honest. In a nice way, but he never sugarcoats anything c)he never really gives cliched, canned answers.
Just do it! I don't disagree with you on principle but I came away extremely impressed. He's incredibly relatable and 100% clear on his objectives or goals. He shook the reporters, IMO. Its worth watching it for that alone.
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You don't watch press conferences? Ummmmm ok....
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
But maybe the pain from the stick breaking in your ass hurt too much that day.
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this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
Do you think Belichick and Saban relate to pop culture? Come on man. If that's what it take we could have just hired Gronk.
I don't see him as DG at all. From a speaking standpoint they are polar opposites. Judge's entire press conference was about teaching - the what, the how and the why. DG isn't that, he's a talent evaluator.
I can't believe this can be chalked up as a "slight red flag", such an odd take.
Do not think he could have handled it better.
I realize this doesn't guarantee anything, but I feel good with this guy leading us.
I thought the same thing. Had a good answer right away on all questions. Clearly he is quick on his feet. I was impressed.
Not directly from the Parcells/Coughlin TREE, but definitely from the Parcells/Coughlin SCHOOL.
Smashmouth
Blue collar
Physical
Ultra-prepared
Accountable
Contact drills. Teaching how to fucking TACKLE! God knows the Giants D needs that.
Play to a guy's strength. Don't tell me what he can't do. Tell me what he CAN do, and use that! Hello Deandre Baker!
Also loved that he said the Giants will adopt the Belichick approach of adjusting their strengths to the opponents weaknesses on a week-to-week basis. Sometimes the'll throw the ball 40 times, sometimes it will be 10 times with a heavy run game.
He sounds very confident in his beliefs and his approach without being cocky about it. The word that comes to mind is INTENSE! I see why management and ownership was very impressed.
(So far), he sounds extremely impressive to me.
Great hire so far!!
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this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
The guy is 38 years old. There are players in the league older than him. Hes been coaching these modern pro players and has Super Bowl rings from his time with these players. How the hell do you come to the conclusion a 38 year old is going to have an issue dealing with modern players? Its all he knows. He wasnt around in the old days...
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I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
I feel like it's worth listening to again. He spent a very large portion of his speaking time explaining how you have to tailor your coaching and teaching to the specific person you're working with, and understanding that everyone learns differently.
I can't say I'ts not refreshing to hear this and I'm ok with his as a fan. I just worry in these modern times.
I hope the whiners take a good long break, for fucksakes.
Because I'm curious today, I noticed this is the second or third time you've referenced this. I'm guessing it comes from the below exchange I had with japanhead yesterday?
japanhead asked me:
you'd have preferred mccarthy? maybe garrett?
I said:
It seems that you have some ax to grind here, so I'm not sure why that is bothersome. japanhead asked me if I would have preferred McCarthy or Garrett. And I responded that I can live with Judge. Clearly implying I like Judge > McCarthy and Garrett.
So enlighten me why you keep referencing that as some sort of insult against Judge? Or whatever you are trying to say...
I've said all along the candidate I didn't want was Rhule. I'm glad Tepper gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. The Giants are better off for it...
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this doesnt sound like its gonna go well.
why? because its fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
The guy is 38 years old. There are players in the league older than him. Hes been coaching these modern pro players and has Super Bowl rings from his time with these players. How the hell do you come to the conclusion a 38 year old is going to have an issue dealing with modern players? Its all he knows. He wasnt around in the old days...
Because, ya know. Many young coordinators talk the talk but then haven't learned how to adapt when they get the big show? And not many NFL players are Blue collar anymore...
That sucks. He should be putting together his staff before someone else hires them. Only somewhat kidding.
- I can see why Gettleman likes him, he sounds like a younger version of himself in his philosophies of running the ball/stopping the run.
- sounds very Coughlin/Parcells-esque in talking about playing old school, smash mouth football. Sounds like the Giants of the 80s. Well see if they mindset works in todays NFL 🙏
- Giants wanted a guy who could lead the team and command the room, a CEO type guy. They definitely got what they were looking for.
He can talk to talk, now lets hope he can walk the walk
It ain't me, babe. You've got the wrong grump. I wasn't one of the people harping on a lack of press conferences by Mara and Gettleman. Don't care about 'em, as I've said.
I didn't watch theirs either, if it makes you feel any better, but I did laugh at the descriptiongs of them.
- I can see why Gettleman likes him, he sounds like a younger version of himself in his philosophies of running the ball/stopping the run.
- sounds very Coughlin/Parcells-esque in talking about playing old school, smash mouth football. Sounds like the Giants of the 80s. Well see if they mindset works in todays NFL 🙏
- Giants wanted a guy who could lead the team and command the room, a CEO type guy. They definitely got what they were looking for.
He can talk to talk, now lets hope he can walk the walk
well said! all of this.
"find what a player can do and use that" was refreshing to hear to me.
TC didn't have that. TC was a drill sergeant which can be learned and taught. JJ's leadership skills are raw and organic, from the heart. I know it was only one press conference, but those that have played a lot of organized sports and worked in high pressure, high profile environments will recognize what I am talking about. It's rare and I'm glad he's here.
TC didn't have that. TC was a drill sergeant which can be learned and taught. JJ's leadership skills are raw and organic, from the heart. I know it was only one press conference, but those that have played a lot of organized sports and worked in high pressure, high profile environments will recognize what I am talking about. It's rare and I'm glad he's here.
TC had a resume as a successful college coach and a successful NFL coach. Until Judge puts the words into action and most importantly, results, they're just that. Words.
Just wow. Guy is INCREDIBLY impressive
TC didn't have that. TC was a drill sergeant which can be learned and taught. JJ's leadership skills are raw and organic, from the heart. I know it was only one press conference, but those that have played a lot of organized sports and worked in high pressure, high profile environments will recognize what I am talking about. It's rare and I'm glad he's here.
Please, your TC take is complete bullshit pulled out of your ass.
The thing that stuck out to me was when he talked about figuring bout how each player learns and teaching him that way. I will take the manager/coach that works with guys to learn how to make them better over the guy that dictates how they need to learn every time.
I watched McCarthy and Rhule and Rivera and its pretty clear to me we got the best press conference. Now that wont me anything if the Judge doesnt win and those other guys do. But I like this guy. No, thats not correct, I love this guy!
Ive been as critical as anyone toward Mara Tisch and Getty. Today, with this hire, Im more than happy to be pleased as punch. Good job Mara Tisch. Good job Getty.
Lets go Big Blue!
I also disagree with the Coughlin comparison. My immediate reaction was he seems more like Cowher in his hey day
I watched McCarthy and Rhule and Rivera and its pretty clear to me we got the best press conference. Now that wont me anything if the Judge doesnt win and those other guys do. But I like this guy. No, thats not correct, I love this guy!
Ive been as critical as anyone toward Mara Tisch and Getty. Today, with this hire, Im more than happy to be pleased as punch. Good job Mara Tisch. Good job Getty.
Lets go Big Blue!
Agree with this 100%
Collaboration
Consistency
Confidence
On this last one, this is a man that understands that for players to believe in you that you have to be confident. Judge is one of those people who was born to lead.
I just hope fans have some patience and dont panic if the team starts 0-2.
I thought his opening statement was very Coughlin-esque. Somebody in the room even joked that former players were having flashbacks.