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LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/9/2020 2:33 pm
Love the hire.
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RE: Sounded like Lombardi  
BlackLight : 1/9/2020 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14770024 Mendenhall said:
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Sounded good but I dont know how the players of today are going to respond to this attitude. TC is out of the league because of it.


TC isn't out of the league for that reason.
This is the right guy  
Biteymax22 : 1/9/2020 2:41 pm : link
We haven't had a foundation for years now, and I don't mean talent, I mean organization structure and culture. Every bit of him seems like the right guy to build it.
A real Football Coach  
Chef : 1/9/2020 2:42 pm : link
there is hope...
The one thing that still stands out  
madeinstars : 1/9/2020 2:44 pm : link
Getting the right coordinators is absolutely vital.
Finally  
Joey in VA : 1/9/2020 2:45 pm : link
A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically, it's exactly why we were so damn good back then. Football is simple, but it's difficult and it's a grind, those who don't embrace it won't win long term and that's why we've fallen flat. The core philosophy was basketball on grass, then some dummy who talked about fumbling too much then mr. plain who said basically nothing. No catch phrases, no gimmicks, just hard work and fundamentals, music to my ears.
It Was A Great PC  
Giants38 : 1/9/2020 2:45 pm : link
Absolutely love hearing that they will game plan for specific weeks. Use the talents of the players on the roster.

Really, that is the most important thing a coach can do. If you don't have 3-4 talent on D, don't play a 3-4. The best thing BB did was changing continuously. You have Gronk and Hernandez - well, you play two TE sets. Your best players are Moss and Welker? You gear your scheme towards getting the ball to wideouts. Look at what they did with their RBs in NE - Burkhead, Michel, White all contributed.

You can tell he learned well under BB and Saban. Now he needs to apply that to the games. That won't come for a while, but at least there is some excitement.
Some thoughts  
Go Terps : 1/9/2020 2:46 pm : link
Obviously a very impressive guy. If he talks like that...clearly and directly...in the locker room and on the sideline we've already got a huge step up on his predecessor.

Favorite parts:

1. Not married to scheme - willing to throw it 50 times one game and 10 the next

2. How you arrived on the team doesn't matter - you have to earn your opportunities

I'm especially interested in #2. That's the area where his "support staff" is more likely to interfere.

The feeling I leave this presser with is: give this guy the keys to the car and get the hell out of his way.
RE: My first impression was...  
Des51 : 1/9/2020 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14769984 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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We found our coach..
Agree, He can really think fast on his feet. He had detailed answers for every question.
My only first impression is that I completely understand why two guys  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/9/2020 2:46 pm : link
like John Mara and Dave Gettleman liked him.

Let's hope it works.
I'm like the  
Photoguy : 1/9/2020 2:47 pm : link
guy in the Geiko commercial....

"Wanna GO, Bro? Let's go!"

"Woooooooooo"

"Wanna go?"

"Woooooooooooooooo"

Impressive  
Watson : 1/9/2020 2:47 pm : link
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RE: Finally  
Thegratefulhead : 1/9/2020 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14770061 Joey in VA said:
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A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically, it's exactly why we were so damn good back then. Football is simple, but it's difficult and it's a grind, those who don't embrace it won't win long term and that's why we've fallen flat. The core philosophy was basketball on grass, then some dummy who talked about fumbling too much then mr. plain who said basically nothing. No catch phrases, no gimmicks, just hard work and fundamentals, music to my ears.
I agree with all of that. I feel the same way.
I think  
Photoguy : 1/9/2020 2:49 pm : link
we're in good hands, boys and girls.

Good hands.
RE: Some thoughts  
Thegratefulhead : 1/9/2020 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14770071 Go Terps said:
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Obviously a very impressive guy. If he talks like that...clearly and directly...in the locker room and on the sideline we've already got a huge step up on his predecessor.

Favorite parts:

1. Not married to scheme - willing to throw it 50 times one game and 10 the next

2. How you arrived on the team doesn't matter - you have to earn your opportunities

I'm especially interested in #2. That's the area where his "support staff" is more likely to interfere.

The feeling I leave this presser with is: give this guy the keys to the car and get the hell out of his way.
Me too. Exactly that.
RE: Finally  
Milton : 1/9/2020 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14770061 Joey in VA said:
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A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.
But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
RE: RE: Very easy to see how he won the team over.  
Klaatu : 1/9/2020 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14770020 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14769979 an_idol_mind said:


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It's a long way until he can prove himself on the field, but he made a very impressive introduction.



Absolutely. He definitely had the right buzz words Jints Central very likely they wanted to hear when this process started.

Sounds like they were uninterested in specific player development (e.g Jones), strategies, latest concepts to copy cat, etc.

It was all about the CEO persona...


Yeah, I'm sure none of that was discussed, and of course you can tell that after one press conference.
I don't watch press conferences  
Greg from LI : 1/9/2020 2:53 pm : link
What I'm reading is encouraging.

He's still going to have to work with the same weak roster, though, so my expectations are tempered.
RE: RE: Finally  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/9/2020 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14770099 Milton said:
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In comment 14770061 Joey in VA said:


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A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.

But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.


Sure a lot say it. Some coaches/teams can get around it for a game, maybe even a season but it will catch up to you if can't impose your will......playoffs and big games. I think he fully understands this.
The question will be  
giantsfan227B : 1/9/2020 2:55 pm : link
how much house cleaning will occur?

He seems pretty no-nonsense. Wants physicality. Wonder if he will look at all the defensive players that made "business decisions" at the end of the season and ask DG to find them a new home. I could live with that if it affords the NYG an opportunity to get tough, winners in house.
RE: I don't watch press conferences  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/9/2020 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14770110 Greg from LI said:
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What I'm reading is encouraging.

He's still going to have to work with the same weak roster, though, so my expectations are tempered.


The best thing he has going for him is when he walks into the locker room, he's not looking at the 2004 NY Giants or the 2017 NY Giants... rooms with veterans with a whole lot of opinions and egos. This is a really young roster he'll be able to mold in his image.
RE: RE: Very easy to see how he won the team over.  
UConn4523 : 1/9/2020 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14770020 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14769979 an_idol_mind said:


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It's a long way until he can prove himself on the field, but he made a very impressive introduction.



Absolutely. He definitely had the right buzz words Jints Central very likely they wanted to hear when this process started.

Sounds like they were uninterested in specific player development (e.g Jones), strategies, latest concepts to copy cat, etc.

It was all about the CEO persona...


Its impressive that you came away with that reaction.

He said several times he's not going to get into schemes and players. So the takeaway is that they didn't discuss this with him during the interview? That is some sleuthing ability you've got there.
What i tend to be drawn to with coaches is a no bullshit approach.  
BLUATHRT : 1/9/2020 2:56 pm : link
I loved when TC came in, loved Parcells. This guy is cut from the same cloth.
My reaction to this press conference is simple.  
Mr. Bungle : 1/9/2020 2:56 pm : link
At this moment, I feel like I care about the Giants more than I have in several years.

I thought my interest in the sport -- and the Giants -- was in a slow death spiral. And in 20 minutes, this guy turned that around.

It's just a press conference, but that's my honest reaction.
RE: I don't watch press conferences  
jestersdead : 1/9/2020 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14770110 Greg from LI said:
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What I'm reading is encouraging.

He's still going to have to work with the same weak roster, though, so my expectations are tempered.

Why not give it a listen on your commute home?

About roster, letís see what happens in FA and then the draft. Lot of pieces to shuffle around
What I Found Most Interesting...the Personnel Question  
BlueVinnie : 1/9/2020 2:56 pm : link
When asked how the relationship between him Gettleman regarding personnel would work, he didn't really answer the question. He noted that he studies every player in the draft, what he looks for in players, etc. I'm not sure what to make of that. Maybe he misinterpreted the question. I expected to hear a fairly vanilla answer i.e. "Dave will run the draft but we'll discuss needs, blah, blah, blah".

I thought it would be highly unlikely he would have any say in personnel decisions in his first year as a HC but who knows...

Overall I liked it.
Bonus points for the Miss Cleo reference.
I bet  
Fish : 1/9/2020 2:57 pm : link
Janoris Jenkins would like him. lol
The answers were just spot on  
BillyM : 1/9/2020 2:57 pm : link
For one, when asked about his view on Daniel Jones. He didn't give one. Said he will evaluate everyone equally. Great look, everyone on notice.

Two, "often people speak of timing. What is your thoughts on this." Answer, "all i care about is right now, this is my time."

Three, he noted "I am not an OC, a DC, etc. I am the coach, I will manage the team and refine fundamentals.

Four, the comment about punching you in the nose for 60 minutes and "this team will reflect the area, it's fans, NY/NJ." I almost ran through a brick wall.

He is intense, has elements of Bill P and Coughlin. He is no joke. How it translates, we'll see. But players better get ready real quick. Class is in session
We're in  
Photoguy : 1/9/2020 2:58 pm : link
good hands. Nobody's going to outwork him.
RE: RE: Sounded like Lombardi  
Photoguy : 1/9/2020 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14770040 BlackLight said:
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In comment 14770024 Mendenhall said:


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Sounded good but I dont know how the players of today are going to respond to this attitude. TC is out of the league because of it.



TC isn't out of the league for that reason.


My take is that he's not that much older than his players. I don't think he'll have any trouble relating.
My reaction  
Chris684 : 1/9/2020 2:59 pm : link
Compared to Rhule's which seemed like a sermon or like the Miami Heat pep rally when they signed LeBron James.

This was much more genuine. Much less celebration. More like business and like it's time to get back to work.

For me, this was like the scene in Rocky 4 when Tony approaches Rocky and tells him all the BS it will take to beat Drago, but he'll be with him all the way.

I thought I was going to be sentenced  
JKBlue : 1/9/2020 3:00 pm : link
to LIFE without the Giants, and instead, the Judge has given me a pardon.
RE: The answers were just spot on  
Spider56 : 1/9/2020 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14770132 BillyM said:
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For one, when asked about his view on Daniel Jones. He didn't give one. Said he will evaluate everyone equally. Great look, everyone on notice.

Two, "often people speak of timing. What is your thoughts on this." Answer, "all i care about is right now, this is my time."

Three, he noted "I am not an OC, a DC, etc. I am the coach, I will manage the team and refine fundamentals.

Four, the comment about punching you in the nose for 60 minutes and "this team will reflect the area, it's fans, NY/NJ." I almost ran through a brick wall.

He is intense, has elements of Bill P and Coughlin. He is no joke. How it translates, we'll see. But players better get ready real quick. Class is in session


Notice how he didnít mention Connecticut ....
RE: I don't watch press conferences  
Klaatu : 1/9/2020 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14770110 Greg from LI said:
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What I'm reading is encouraging.

He's still going to have to work with the same weak roster, though, so my expectations are tempered.


It didn't sound like it would be "the same weak roster" for very long.
RE: What I Found Most Interesting...the Personnel Question  
Photoguy : 1/9/2020 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14770128 BlueVinnie said:
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When asked how the relationship between him Gettleman regarding personnel would work, he didn't really answer the question. He noted that he studies every player in the draft, what he looks for in players, etc. I'm not sure what to make of that. Maybe he misinterpreted the question. I expected to hear a fairly vanilla answer i.e. "Dave will run the draft but we'll discuss needs, blah, blah, blah".

I thought it would be highly unlikely he would have any say in personnel decisions in his first year as a HC but who knows...

Overall I liked it.
Bonus points for the Miss Cleo reference.



I'm thinking he'll have a great working relationship with Gettleman.
Judge comes across as in command and knowlegeable  
GeofromNJ : 1/9/2020 3:01 pm : link
Unfortunately for the Giants, Freddie Kitchens does not. Let's wait to see who Mr Judge hires for his staff.
RE: RE: Finally  
Thegratefulhead : 1/9/2020 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14770099 Milton said:
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In comment 14770061 Joey in VA said:


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A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.

But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
Milton. Please watch. I went to this thread looking for your view on it.
I have never seen this much consensus  
dune69 : 1/9/2020 3:01 pm : link
on bbi. Mr. Judge is very impressive and will move the needle. Giants football just walked back thru that door. We will be good again...in time.
RE: I'm like the  
The_Boss : 1/9/2020 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14770081 Photoguy said:
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guy in the Geiko commercial....

"Wanna GO, Bro? Let's go!"

"Woooooooooo"

"Wanna go?"

"Woooooooooooooooo"


Thatís the Shurminator from American Pie...true story.
RE: RE: Finally  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/9/2020 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14770099 Milton said:
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In comment 14770061 Joey in VA said:


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A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.

But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
I would suggest you watch it. There is a lot in the in-between moments.
Weíre going to win again sooner than you think  
dpinzow : 1/9/2020 3:03 pm : link
This guy is not to be crossed or disobeyed..:all business. Heíll cut guys to make statements if he has to
Very impressed so far for all of the reasons mentioned  
lawguy9801 : 1/9/2020 3:04 pm : link
One thing I also liked was his focus on process and teaching as opposed to getting to a certain amount of wins as a goal. The implication is that if there is an effective coaching/teaching/practice process that is implemented and followed, the wins will come. I love this approach.
Great first impression  
Les in TO : 1/9/2020 3:07 pm : link
Seems like a smart guy who has impeccable character and is close in age to the players he will be leading. Hopefully he will be able to turn this ship around.
RE: Very impressed so far for all of the reasons mentioned  
dpinzow : 1/9/2020 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14770165 lawguy9801 said:
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One thing I also liked was his focus on process and teaching as opposed to getting to a certain amount of wins as a goal. The implication is that if there is an effective coaching/teaching/practice process that is implemented and followed, the wins will come. I love this approach.


Judge is going for a PhD in education IIRC so heís legitimately trained to teach beyond the confines of a football field. He has the psychological aspect of educating people down which is critical
Philosophically...  
FanMan : 1/9/2020 3:08 pm : link
he sounds like a Little "Little Bill".

Let's hope it translates into wins. I feel encouraged for the first time in a long time about this team.
I would have hired him, too.  
cosmicj : 1/9/2020 3:08 pm : link
Command and intelligence. Iím excited fir next season.
I was super impressed  
Boatie Warrant : 1/9/2020 3:08 pm : link
Definitely a great communicator. I'm buying in hioe the new staff and players do to.
RE: RE: I don't watch press conferences  
Greg from LI : 1/9/2020 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14770150 Klaatu said:
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It didn't sound like it would be "the same weak roster" for very long.


Are we getting a new GM too?
I am thrilled  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/9/2020 3:09 pm : link
BWinDC "can live with him" for now, until he falters.


I hope the whiners take a good long break, for fucksakes.
I like his demeanor  
Rjanyg : 1/9/2020 3:09 pm : link
I like his philosophy.
I like the message.

Old school principles. Music to my ears.

Tackling. Ogletree could use some work on that.
RE: RE: Finally  
Joey in VA : 1/9/2020 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14770099 Milton said:
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In comment 14770061 Joey in VA said:


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A coach who is again doing the way we did in the 80s. Fundamentals, toughness, and being flexible schematically.

But isn't that what every new head coach says? They want a physical team that plays smart, fundamentally sound football, a team that doesn't lose games. I haven't watched the press conference, so maybe I'm missing something about his presentation that makes it more believable coming from him, but his words are the same as every new head coach for whatever team just hired him. Not much different than what Rhule said at his press conference. It's the same buzz words, different suit.
He didn't tart it up like McAdoo who talked about "protecting the Duke" and being "heavy handed". Also, you forgot the scheme flexibility angle, we keep going for guys with a certain style, but the style we used in the 80s was the Patriots way now. We beat the opponent with what we have in the best way there is. It may mean throwing it 40 times or running it 40 times, it may be 2 DL or 5 DL, he's being simple and direct about why football is great. He never zeroed in on fumbling like the idiot McAdoo who immediately made everyone think about fumbling with his stupid edict. He said fundamentals, didn't name go in on specific players and kept it team focused and work focused.
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