to fight my whole fucking office.... LETS GO BITCHES!
Holy shit... I've never laughed so hard in all my years on this site... Fucking hilarious comment! I feel the same way surrounded by cowboy fans here in TX!
If Joe Judge makes is wanna fight our office, imagine how the actual players are going to be....
This time I just felt the need. I left work early for several reasons and watching this PC was one of them. I am glad I did. Joe Judge commanded that room like a true General.
I have been in the room with many Generals when in service and only one ever impressed me greatly(GEN Vincent Brooks). Coach Judge just gave me a similar feeling with his PC. Feeling optimistic
I'm not going to have my face stuck in the offensive play book, the defensive or ST playbook. My focus will be on whether my players are focusing on fundamentals, and that the team has situational awareness."
Close to that.
Re. the draft: did he say he's going to prepare so he's familiar with every player on the team's board?
that I have believed the organization is moving us in the right direction, based on solid logic and with an eye towards nailing the processes to sustain success, rather than flawed process and occasionally getting a good result despite it all and never fucking improving because end results dictated evaluation.
I'm not going to have my face stuck in the offensive play book, the defensive or ST playbook. My focus will be on whether my players are focusing on fundamentals, and that the team has situational awareness."
Close to that.
Re. the draft: did he say he's going to prepare so he's familiar with every player on the team's board?
He said that when he was with the Patriots he was familiar with EVERY player in the draft so he knew if they could be used one ST.
It didn't sound like it would be "the same weak roster" for very long.
Are we getting a new GM too?
No, but he made it clear that no one is on "scholarship," among other things. The one takeaway I got after listening to him was "playtime is over." Very similar to the vibe I got with Coughlin after he took over for Fassel. I think Judge is going to more involved with personnel decisions than I initially thought he'd be.
I suggest you listen to the PC when you can, or at least read the transcript when Eric posts it (but that really won't do it justice, no pun intended).
that can change its scheme week-to-week, and that such a team requires a particular kind of player (versatile, flexible, quick learner), it seems likely that JJ will have A LOT of input on ranking prospects for the draft board, even if he's not making the actual picks.
My favorite part about the entire press conference? Â
clear and focused, has a mantra, but also threw in a few things that made him seem likable (Miss Cleo, making a sandwich, Empire State Building, son is amateur GM, etc.) I think all can be good traits for a coach and the latter will hopefully play well with the media.
I'd expect some attrition on the roster. Not all of these guys are going to like him. DeAndre Baker was the first guy I thought of.
DeAndre Baker might not like him.
But he will respect him.
And Judge - if he's going to be the coach we think - will get Baker to buy in.
Bill, Judge can be a good coach even if players like Baker don't buy in. In fact some players will chose to not buy in because of lack of trust and or they don't want to buy in to his philosophy. It certainly happens.
time in years I am sooooo freaking in. I get the feeling the players are going to feel it's completely unacceptable to let the game slip away, not just for their coach, but themselves. It feels like training camp is a million years away right now.
I hope the oganization and talent selection areas of the org do not fail him. Lastly, hopefully the players selected are here to win championships and not just collect big paychecks and promote themselves on social media.
One of the major parts of Judge's job will be to find anyone not willing to buy in. Those players certainly won't just come out and admit it. It'll take some investigative work.
Some players may definitely have a problem with him. Â
Now? It feels like our long nightmare might be over. He knows the questions, he knows what it expected, the plan he discussed is one that a lot of us have been begging for.
Now we wait and hope he can pull it off.
RE: Some players may definitely have a problem with him. Â
If the team has a rough season, I wouldn't be surprised to hear anonymous reports trashing him a la Coughlin.
I doubt it. There are very few remaining vets in the room and most of those guys will be on the way out too. That's the best thing Judge has going for him... the youth of the roster.
Coughlin took over a group with Pro Bowlers, All Pros, and guys who'd been to a Super Bowl.
Am impressed with the PC. I'm thinking the Giant brain trust may deserve props soon. I'll gladly take back my flying monkees comment. Cool Aid for everyone!
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesn’t sound like it’s gonna go well.
why? because it’s fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
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Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
You have to admit, its funny that you are spending time on the thread about a press conference.
I know its your schtick but try living a little. There's nothing wrong with tuning in and listening to what the new HC has to say. It doesn't have to mean a whole lot to you personally, but I find it strange that you don't care about what he has to say yet mock Mara or DG for what they say.
impressed with Judge. I'm very impressed with how he carries himself. You just feel a completely different vibe than you did with McAdoo or Shurmur. I never liked the Shurmur hire. I wasn't crazy about McAdoo either. This is looking like a really good gamble.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesn’t sound like it’s gonna go well.
why? because it’s fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
· 1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
The Pats don't have a single identity; they change their approach depending on the opponent. That flexibility requires a certain kind of player and a certain kind of coaching. JJ said he wants exactly that kind of flexibility: Pass 50 times one week, 10 times the next. That's BB's mentality.
Also struck by him talking about figuring out what each player is good at, what he can do to help you win, instead of looking at what they can't do. That seems like it should be a given but I don't think the Giants have always been good at that. That may be why some of their ex-linemen are performing better around the league than they did in blue.
I don't think it's been the case here for quite some time. The Gilbride passing offense had demanding scheme requirements, and they had one identity. McAdoo ran the same Slants/Flats WCO passing concepts as McCarthy. Modernized in some ways, but still consistent week to week
Not sticking to one "scheme" is modern football. The league is too good to try to compete with the same tendencies week after the week. The better you are at different approaches, the harder you are to defend.
I can get the gist of it by reading what people are saying Â
Honestly, the times I've watched press conferences, I get bored out of my mind within about 30 seconds and turn them off.
The only exception to that is Tony Bennett, because a)I adore that man b)he's always brutally honest. In a nice way, but he never sugarcoats anything c)he never really gives cliched, canned answers.
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
But maybe the pain from the stick breaking in your ass hurt too much that day.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesn’t sound like it’s gonna go well.
why? because it’s fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
· 1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
I feel like it's worth listening to again. He spent a very large portion of his speaking time explaining how you have to tailor your coaching and teaching to the specific person you're working with, and understanding that everyone learns differently.
RE: I can get the gist of it by reading what people are saying Â
Honestly, the times I've watched press conferences, I get bored out of my mind within about 30 seconds and turn them off.
The only exception to that is Tony Bennett, because a)I adore that man b)he's always brutally honest. In a nice way, but he never sugarcoats anything c)he never really gives cliched, canned answers.
Just do it! I don't disagree with you on principle but I came away extremely impressed. He's incredibly relatable and 100% clear on his objectives or goals. He shook the reporters, IMO. Its worth watching it for that alone.
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
But maybe the pain from the stick breaking in your ass hurt too much that day.
bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesn’t sound like it’s gonna go well.
why? because it’s fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
· 1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
Do you think Belichick and Saban relate to pop culture? Come on man. If that's what it take we could have just hired Gronk.
I don't see him as DG at all. From a speaking standpoint they are polar opposites. Judge's entire press conference was about teaching - the what, the how and the why. DG isn't that, he's a talent evaluator.
I can't believe this can be chalked up as a "slight red flag", such an odd take.
Not directly from the Parcells/Coughlin TREE, but definitely from the Parcells/Coughlin SCHOOL.
Smashmouth
Blue collar
Physical
Ultra-prepared
Accountable
Contact drills. Teaching how to fucking TACKLE! God knows the Giants D needs that.
Play to a guy's strength. Don't tell me what he can't do. Tell me what he CAN do, and use that! Hello Deandre Baker!
Also loved that he said the Giants will adopt the Belichick approach of adjusting their strengths to the opponents weaknesses on a week-to-week basis. Sometimes the'll throw the ball 40 times, sometimes it will be 10 times with a heavy run game.
He sounds very confident in his beliefs and his approach without being cocky about it. The word that comes to mind is INTENSE! I see why management and ownership was very impressed.
Holy shit... I've never laughed so hard in all my years on this site... Fucking hilarious comment! I feel the same way surrounded by cowboy fans here in TX!
If Joe Judge makes is wanna fight our office, imagine how the actual players are going to be....
Judge introduction - ( New Window )
I was thinking something like this, too.
I'd expect some attrition on the roster. Not all of these guys are going to like him. DeAndre Baker was the first guy I thought of.
I have been in the room with many Generals when in service and only one ever impressed me greatly(GEN Vincent Brooks). Coach Judge just gave me a similar feeling with his PC. Feeling optimistic
Close to that.
Re. the draft: did he say he's going to prepare so he's familiar with every player on the team's board?
I have forgotten what that feels like.
I remain supremely cautious in my optimism.
Close to that.
Re. the draft: did he say he's going to prepare so he's familiar with every player on the team's board?
He said that when he was with the Patriots he was familiar with EVERY player in the draft so he knew if they could be used one ST.
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It didn't sound like it would be "the same weak roster" for very long.
Are we getting a new GM too?
No, but he made it clear that no one is on "scholarship," among other things. The one takeaway I got after listening to him was "playtime is over." Very similar to the vibe I got with Coughlin after he took over for Fassel. I think Judge is going to more involved with personnel decisions than I initially thought he'd be.
I suggest you listen to the PC when you can, or at least read the transcript when Eric posts it (but that really won't do it justice, no pun intended).
I could feel the lineman on both sides of the ball smiling from ear to ear.
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Janoris Jenkins would like him. lol
I was thinking something like this, too.
I'd expect some attrition on the roster. Not all of these guys are going to like him. DeAndre Baker was the first guy I thought of.
DeAndre Baker might not like him.
But he will respect him.
And Judge - if he's going to be the coach we think - will get Baker to buy in.
Proof is in the product. The good news is that Shurmur has a more established track record than McAdoo and seems more mature.
But let's not get too giddy just yet.
The was a comment by Eric from two years ago, when Shurmur was introduced. I know we're all psyched. But the proof is still in the product.
But man, that was a damn good intro conference. I am excited about this guy.
Something that hasn't happened in a long time.
Hopefully good vibes. I personally don't mind the hire.
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Janoris Jenkins would like him. lol
I was thinking something like this, too.
I'd expect some attrition on the roster. Not all of these guys are going to like him. DeAndre Baker was the first guy I thought of.
DeAndre Baker might not like him.
But he will respect him.
And Judge - if he's going to be the coach we think - will get Baker to buy in.
Bill, Judge can be a good coach even if players like Baker don't buy in. In fact some players will chose to not buy in because of lack of trust and or they don't want to buy in to his philosophy. It certainly happens.
But man, that was a damn good intro conference. I am excited about this guy.
+1
He's still going to have to work with the same weak roster, though, so my expectations are tempered.
You don't watch press conferences? Ummmmm ok....
Now we wait and hope he can pull it off.
I doubt it. There are very few remaining vets in the room and most of those guys will be on the way out too. That's the best thing Judge has going for him... the youth of the roster.
Coughlin took over a group with Pro Bowlers, All Pros, and guys who'd been to a Super Bowl.
Lol!
Am impressed with the PC. I'm thinking the Giant brain trust may deserve props soon. I'll gladly take back my flying monkees comment. Cool Aid for everyone!
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
@bomani_jones
this doesn’t sound like it’s gonna go well.
why? because it’s fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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@KimJonesSports
· 1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
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You don't watch press conferences? Ummmmm ok....
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
You have to admit, its funny that you are spending time on the thread about a press conference.
I know its your schtick but try living a little. There's nothing wrong with tuning in and listening to what the new HC has to say. It doesn't have to mean a whole lot to you personally, but I find it strange that you don't care about what he has to say yet mock Mara or DG for what they say.
Its ok to think positively, no one will get hurt.
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bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesn’t sound like it’s gonna go well.
why? because it’s fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
· 1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
Also struck by him talking about figuring out what each player is good at, what he can do to help you win, instead of looking at what they can't do. That seems like it should be a given but I don't think the Giants have always been good at that. That may be why some of their ex-linemen are performing better around the league than they did in blue.
I don't think it's been the case here for quite some time. The Gilbride passing offense had demanding scheme requirements, and they had one identity. McAdoo ran the same Slants/Flats WCO passing concepts as McCarthy. Modernized in some ways, but still consistent week to week
Not sticking to one "scheme" is modern football. The league is too good to try to compete with the same tendencies week after the week. The better you are at different approaches, the harder you are to defend.
The only exception to that is Tony Bennett, because a)I adore that man b)he's always brutally honest. In a nice way, but he never sugarcoats anything c)he never really gives cliched, canned answers.
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You don't watch press conferences? Ummmmm ok....
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
But maybe the pain from the stick breaking in your ass hurt too much that day.
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bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesn’t sound like it’s gonna go well.
why? because it’s fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
· 1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
I feel like it's worth listening to again. He spent a very large portion of his speaking time explaining how you have to tailor your coaching and teaching to the specific person you're working with, and understanding that everyone learns differently.
The only exception to that is Tony Bennett, because a)I adore that man b)he's always brutally honest. In a nice way, but he never sugarcoats anything c)he never really gives cliched, canned answers.
Just do it! I don't disagree with you on principle but I came away extremely impressed. He's incredibly relatable and 100% clear on his objectives or goals. He shook the reporters, IMO. Its worth watching it for that alone.
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You don't watch press conferences? Ummmmm ok....
Because they're meaningless. Has zero to do with what will actually happen on the field. They also tend to be overly long, boring, repetitive, and a platform for grandstanding reporters.
I know you are overly grumpy, but at least be consistent. Having a cow about the owners and GM not addressing the team can't logically sit next to calling press conferences meaningless.
But maybe the pain from the stick breaking in your ass hurt too much that day.
Lol
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bomani
@bomani_jones
this doesn’t sound like it’s gonna go well.
why? because it’s fake. the rules limit how much any coach can do this. faking for media may seem cute, but trying to show his players how tough he is will get him fired in two years.
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports
· 1h
Joe Judge says #NYG will reflect the region: blue-collar, hard work, old school, physical. Says team will practice in pads & practice live tackling.
I just listened to it. Unfortunately I can see how it can go wrong and fast. He does seem a bit over aggressive. Will he be willing to accept the modern pro player and their social norms?
He is literally Dave Gettleman as a coach. Can he relate to the pop culture of many athletes? Going out and saying Blue Collar like NYC can be interpreted as middle age white male in these times. slight red flag there.
Do you think Belichick and Saban relate to pop culture? Come on man. If that's what it take we could have just hired Gronk.
I don't see him as DG at all. From a speaking standpoint they are polar opposites. Judge's entire press conference was about teaching - the what, the how and the why. DG isn't that, he's a talent evaluator.
I can't believe this can be chalked up as a "slight red flag", such an odd take.
Do not think he could have handled it better.
I realize this doesn't guarantee anything, but I feel good with this guy leading us.
I thought the same thing. Had a good answer right away on all questions. Clearly he is quick on his feet. I was impressed.
Not directly from the Parcells/Coughlin TREE, but definitely from the Parcells/Coughlin SCHOOL.
Smashmouth
Blue collar
Physical
Ultra-prepared
Accountable
Contact drills. Teaching how to fucking TACKLE! God knows the Giants D needs that.
Play to a guy's strength. Don't tell me what he can't do. Tell me what he CAN do, and use that! Hello Deandre Baker!
Also loved that he said the Giants will adopt the Belichick approach of adjusting their strengths to the opponents weaknesses on a week-to-week basis. Sometimes the'll throw the ball 40 times, sometimes it will be 10 times with a heavy run game.
He sounds very confident in his beliefs and his approach without being cocky about it. The word that comes to mind is INTENSE! I see why management and ownership was very impressed.
(So far), he sounds extremely impressive to me.