That had to be expected after what people like Jay Glazer said. Mara really chose Gettleman and there wasn't going to be much change in hierarchy.
As long as they let Judge choose his own coaching staff (and you don't end up with a whole bunch of former Carolina Panthers coaches), I wouldn't worry about it.
He's the GM. He's supposed to have the final say. Â
if Judge fails it will not be because of Dave Gettleman. Gettleman is not a stupid person. He sees how this is playing out. The days of drafting RBs #2 are over.
I understand the concern, but there may be some times when we want to keep someone who we think could be claimed vs someone who won't. It is Gettleman's job to know that. I expect it will be collaborative effort and do not have a problem with that.
if Judge fails it will not be because of Dave Gettleman. Gettleman is not a stupid person. He sees how this is playing out. The days of drafting RBs #2 are over.
That's because they already got a good one at #2, not because it was the wrong thing to do. I love Barkley!
selects players randomly without the coaching staffs input.
True. The person most responsible for Daniel Jones being a NY Giant is actually Pat Shurmur, even though DG made the decision ultimately. I would just prefer letting a coach succeed or fail entirely on their own merits and decisions and not after finding out a GM chose their OC and DC and signed some WR they didn't want.
and say I have veto power over my boss. Yup, makes sense. He's in the HC seat as 2nd youngest HC in NFL because he plays his cards well. Not necessary to set up pitched battle on day 1.
who are these super teams that have one guy doing everything AS WELL AS COACHING the team?
don't give me BB, he may be the GM in a sense but he's one of the very few who have anywhere near the amount of power he has.
heres a list from 2013
Bill Belichick of the New England Patriots
Mike Shanahan of the Washington Redskins OUT OF THE LEAGUE and its the redskins so what does that really mean?
Sean Payton of the New Orleans Saints
Pete Carroll of the Seattle Seahawks
Chip Kelly of the Philadelphia Eagles OUT OF THE LEAGUE
Jeff Fisher of the St. Louis Rams OUT OF THE LEAGUE
you guys want to give any tom dick and "joe" full control of the roster? Coaches coach and GMs find players for their coaches.
I don't think it was an accident that JJ mentioned how as ST coach he evaluated every single player in the draft to see what kind of athlete and player they were.
I expect he will bring that level of expertise to collaborating with DG and will have significant input.
i forget what year it was but during the draft he was being interviewed on NFL network or ESPN and the saints pick came up. he turned his head and goes "Nice we just got *enter WR name*!"
does that sound like he's picking all his groceries or him and his GM loomis collaborate on who they think would be right for this team?
very closely and he will have input. I like the GM having control as he has can do all the checks and balances so to speak. The good thing is both have a shared vision.
An example might be they have a productive player that has performed coming up on free agency (and not quite worth the 2nd contract). GM should be looking ahead and looking for that type in the draft.
I didn't even realize that's been part of a GM's duties. Sure, I understand orchestrating trades, signing free agents, extending players, filling in holes... but choosing who remains and who is cut? I just kind of assumed the coaches did so after evaluating the players' performance and the team's needs in training camp.
So Alex Tanney remaining as a third QB was a Gettleman choice?
that BBI goes back into negative fucking nancyville
GM and coach work together on the 53...pretty simple. its his first day, you think he is gonna say nah DG will have to listen to me? He knows they are both going to work together, he was just giving the PC answer.
Today was a great day! We introduced a coach who seems to have a great plan. Mara seems on board with his plan, i doubt a GM gets in the way of that. they are both old school mentality and i expect them to work well with each other to form the roster judge feels is best to implement his style of play. Can BBI be happy for ONCE?
Gettleman needs a coach who can develop players and Judge needs some experience around him. Gettleman will retire soon so I don't think he is up for a turf war. When you get to be his age it is more about legacy and less about the spotlight.
I didn't even realize that's been part of a GM's duties. Sure, I understand orchestrating trades, signing free agents, extending players, filling in holes... but choosing who remains and who is cut? I just kind of assumed the coaches did so after evaluating the players' performance and the team's needs in training camp.
So Alex Tanney remaining as a third QB was a Gettleman choice?
Please don't be thick as a brick. I guarantee you Tanney on that roster was solely on Shurmur.
However, the GM always, always, and forever has final say on the team - he's the one that signs the contracts. Does not mean Gettleman is going to run roughshod over Judge's wishes. They may disagree on a final piece or two and it may come down to contract numbers on players of equal value.
Let's remember that Parcells and Young pissed in each others cereal on occasion.
Let's go to last draft. Shurmur wanted Jones. Gettleman wanted Josh Allen - he said it. He said it killed him not to take Allen, but a QB trumps an ER/OLB and he feared Jones would not be there at 17. So he took Jones.
I do think Gettleman will get better input from Judge vis a vie players than Shurmur. I am absolutely certain that based on Judge's meticulous attention to detail if he wants X player he will get X player.
if Judge fails it will not be because of Dave Gettleman. Gettleman is not a stupid person. He sees how this is playing out. The days of drafting RBs #2 are over.
George Young had "final say," and Dan Reeves basically said, "fine, you gave him to me, but I won't play him." This shouldn't be that dysfunctional.
The final 53 -- which is never "final," will be determined ON THE FIELD by the Head Coach.
If JJ is telling DG, "I can't use this guy. He doesn't fit what we're doing." I expect DG (who is already on notice about his job), to listen, and be "the support staff for the coaches," he keeps claiming to be, and make any necessary changes.
JJ is putting in a Pats' style, chameleon team. Different style of play every week, give the opponent a lot to prepare for. That takes players who are versatile, flexible, selfless, smart, and are quick learners. Input from the HC is an absolute must.
Nothing that such players are hard to find and the Pats don't have a fantastic track record in the draft. They do, however, have a great history of turning other teams' cast-offs into very useful players.
to McDaniels in their 2018 interview about personnel...
"That's why they pay me the big bucks..."
So no change in process at Jints Central. Back to "normal".
Link?
It was posted last week as something another poster heard in a podcast. May have been Lombardi...??
Regardless, and be honest, do you have any problem at all hearing Gettleman saying that? I mean, that would be CLASSIC Gettleman...
On 1/3 you said
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posted earlier this week that McDaniels may have been turned off two years ago by Gettleman. McDaniels asked how disputes are resolved over differences in personnel and apparently Gettleman said, "...that's why they pay me the big bucks..."
So Gettleman...
And latrer when pressed for a link
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posted earlier this week that McDaniels may have been turned off two years ago by Gettleman. McDaniels asked how disputes are resolved over differences in personnel and apparently Gettleman said, "...that's why they pay me the big bucks..."
So Gettleman...
Link to a direct quote from McDaniels?
There wasn't. Sounded like a rumor.
On 1/6 it was a mantra
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The buzz from the beginning has been this is the Giants guy. So let’s assume they reach the point where they begin discussing details. Potential sticking points:
- Rhule has a huge buyout he needs to pay, plus no state income tax, much lower cost of living in Texas than NJ. If he factors in all he’s probably gonna ask for $7-10 million a year. Somewhere in that window.
- Personnel. Is he going to want final say in the ingredients? Without getting that written into his deal he’s powerless to know he will be heard.
- Staff. His deal last year fell apart over staff. Are the Giants going to let him bring whoever regardless of experience level or lack thereof.
I'm not in the Rhule camp, but if he doesn't get to hire whomever he wants as his assistants then he shouldn't be here. Do a 180 and fly back to Waco - or Charlotte - because we are a sink hole as an organization.
I seriously doubt he gets final say. In other words, if there is a serious split over two guys, with Rhule wanting one and Gettleman the other, I fear the Gettleman mantra - "that's why they pay me the big bucks" - will prevail. Which makes me ill...
Is there a link? If not you should stop referring to it as truth.
And he knows it. The East will be harder to win - Dallas may have finally fixed their legendary ineptness, Philly has an outstanding coach, even the Skins have Rivera/Del Rio.
If he causes Judge to trip over his fat butt, his name will live in infamy.
about the top 4 rushing teams making the playoffs and the top 4 passing teams not making the playoffs, and using that as a rational for why we need to run the ball and stop the run, showed a complete fundamental misunderstanding of the underlying statistics.
Hey Dave, teams that kneel the ball at the end of games win 99.9999% of the games, maybe we should focus on leading the league in kneeling the ball!
Hopefully Judge has major major major impact on personnel. Gettleman embarrasses himself half the time he talks. He should stick to scouting.
I tend not to get worked up about this stuff, our front office has been a turnstile lately. If he does bad he'll just be fired and they'll promote the next guy with Giants ties as the next GM.
DG says in this interview today that it's going to be a Â
this first time head coach should have final say on the 53?
I think he has enough on his plate right now. Let's worry about making him GM til after he's shown he can handle what he's already been given.
And let's wait to decide the current gm is no good til after the new coach has a chance. I think most agree our coaching wa worse than our personnel last year. So I have no problem addressing just the coaching for right now.
Based on our last 2 years, Gettleman should be begging Â
about the top 4 rushing teams making the playoffs and the top 4 passing teams not making the playoffs, and using that as a rational for why we need to run the ball and stop the run, showed a complete fundamental misunderstanding of the underlying statistics.
Hey Dave, teams that kneel the ball at the end of games win 99.9999% of the games, maybe we should focus on leading the league in kneeling the ball!
Hopefully Judge has major major major impact on personnel. Gettleman embarrasses himself half the time he talks. He should stick to scouting.
It's alarming that he gets more data from the NBC Wild Card broadcast than he does from the four computer guys.
I didn't expect Judge to say anything else, nor did I expect Gettleman to say it's anything other than a collaboration. I imagine Judge appealed to the Giants, in part, because he didn't want roster control. You can bet your ass that Gettleman wanted someone like that.
Of course, that doesn't mean things won't change. The Jets fired McCagnan after hiring Gase. I'm not suggesting the Giants are firing Gettleman, but it is not unheard of. You would hope that Gettleman would strongly incorporate what Judge has to say into their signings and draft picks, but it's no guarantee.
In any event, Gettleman will not be here much longer if the results don't change, and fast.
What I have a problem with his inept implementation of it ; he hires two WCO coaches who were not interested in any of the above and now he finds himself running for his life!
2nd Generation - Coughlin/Gilbride had a good run till they ran out of talent and Tom eventually lost his edge (happens to the best). Judge comes out of the same original Parcells - Belichick Tree. He's 3rd generation; I have a lot of hope for him.
If Judge is successful, it will be that Gettleman got out of the way.
If he fails Gettleman will be meddling too much.
Same thing has happened for years. Accorsi was either great or riding Coughlin's coattails. Reese was either good at first or coasting on talent given to him by Accorsi. Everybody needs their villain.
Cut Daniel Jones? I am sure he will take the coaches input, but even if he does have the final say we are talking about maybe the last one or two roster spots.
And don't give me this Giants way bullshit. If there is a disagreement you want the guy with the longer term vision (GM) making that call.
Cut Daniel Jones? I am sure he will take the coaches input, but even if he does have the final say we are talking about maybe the last one or two roster spots.
And don't give me this Giants way bullshit. If there is a disagreement you want the guy with the longer term vision (GM) making that call.
Yes, because that longer term vision guy brought us the fabulous Leonard Williams deal...
If you watched everything everyone said today from owners to GM to the new HC the roster will be a partnership between the GM, HC, and scouts. That's it.
Overreact to the 'DG has final say' soundbyte all you want. That's what it would be, an overreaction.
I know John (Mara) told us that he felt as though Monday afternoon, the search was over. What were your feelings when you exited the interview with Joe (Judge)?
"You know, I felt the exact same way. The interesting thing, when you go through an interview process, you’re looking for the broad view, you’re looking for intelligence and we talked about that. The thing that was really amazing to me was, and he said it, it really was just a conversation. That’s really what it was. It was easy for him. The biggest thing when you’re hiring a head coach is you have to picture him in front of the room. He has to command that kind of respect. Yeah, for me, it was the same."
Let’s get this big picture question out of the way. Obviously, we understand Giants, personnel, collaborative. If you disagree, who has the final say?
"At the end of the day, it’s about building consensus and it’s about getting to the right place. I’ve been doing this long enough with Ron (Rivera) and then Pat (Shurmur), whatever. We’re going to get to the right place. It’s not… It’s about the right answer."
It’s not slamming your fist down?
"No, I’ve never done that in my life. Except when, no I’m only kidding. I can’t say it. I can’t give you a throwaway line. Bottom line is, it’s collaborative."
I’ve heard some people say so I’ll ask you, there’s this perception from some that it’s going to be Dave Gettleman picking the players and it’s Joe Judge’s job to coach them. Do you feel that way?
"No. It’s going to be collaborative. I don’t understand where that notion comes from. That notion has got to be coming from people that have never worked with me.
That is the Giants way. In the past, that was George Young’s statement, right? The GM picks the players.
"There was a way, way back in the day. It was scouts scout, players play, coaches’ coach, etc. That world has changed."
about this topic is that the Rhule and Judge press conferences both talk extensively about everyone being on the same page, being collaborative and all working towards a common goal.
The commentary from many here yesterday is that Rhule was given carte blanche to build a program (even though the Panthers have a GM in place). And in this thread the exact opposite sentiment is expressed.
I'll let you guys ponder why, but I'm guessing it is because some of you have dug in so deep that you are afraid your shoes will get stuck in the shit you shovel.
RE: I'm sure Judge will have a lot of input regardless Â
His deference to DG was a very politically correct statement.
My superficial understanding of both individuals is that decisions will be mutual.
Did everyone miss his comments on how he evaluated NE's draft picks? The Special Teams coach evaluating draft picks? Since when ?; unless your ability to judge value to a team is held in very high regard.
Q: I’ve heard some people say so I’ll ask you, there’s this perception from some that it’s going to be Dave Gettleman picking the players and it’s Joe Judge’s job to coach them. Do you feel that way?
A: No. It’s going to be collaborative. I don’t understand where that notion comes from. That notion has got to be coming from people that have never worked with me.
That Judge was just going to be given the keys to be the HC, GM, president of football everything , etc., a la Belichick all at once? That would be quite a a jump for a 38 year old who has not held any of those positions for a single day at any level. That’s also an arrangement that is fairly rare and I’m not sure who else it really applies to aside from Belichick.
All that said, I’m confident based on everything the Giants have said (including DG and Mara) that Judge will have plenty of influence on the players acquired in the draft and FA.
It seems like some people thought even though the Giants retained Gettleman that they were only doing so out of charity and his only job was going to be organizing the annual Christmas party and company picnic.
about this topic is that the Rhule and Judge press conferences both talk extensively about everyone being on the same page, being collaborative and all working towards a common goal.
The commentary from many here yesterday is that Rhule was given carte blanche to build a program (even though the Panthers have a GM in place). And in this thread the exact opposite sentiment is expressed.
I'll let you guys ponder why, but I'm guessing it is because some of you have dug in so deep that you are afraid your shoes will get stuck in the shit you shovel.
You and I don't see eye to eye much, but I don't or didn't see anything in either of their answers that are alarming. What is Judge going to say? I'm the new boss? Similarly, what is Gettleman going to say? I have final say and too bad for everyone else?
Deciding which players make the final 53 does not mean he'd be running the draft or signing free agents. It's determined by evaluating which of the players who are already signed are compatible enough with his strategy, culture, and vision to stay signed, and which aren't.
That had to be expected after what people like Jay Glazer said. Mara really chose Gettleman and there wasn't going to be much change in hierarchy.
As long as they let Judge choose his own coaching staff (and you don't end up with a whole bunch of former Carolina Panthers coaches), I wouldn't worry about it.
Guarantee after seeing Judge shot out of a fucking cannon today that he'll fight for the 53 he wants to take into battle.
"That's why they pay me the big bucks..."
So no change in process at Jints Central. Back to "normal".
"That's why they pay me the big bucks..."
So no change in process at Jints Central. Back to "normal".
Looks like the Bat Signal was just activated.
Now try to work in a reference to the "Giants Way". It might take another lie to do it, but I have faith....
Gettleman is support staff.
Gettleman is support staff.
Agree with this.
"That's why they pay me the big bucks..."
So no change in process at Jints Central. Back to "normal".
Link?
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to McDaniels in their 2018 interview about personnel...
"That's why they pay me the big bucks..."
So no change in process at Jints Central. Back to "normal".
Looks like the Bat Signal was just activated.
Now try to work in a reference to the "Giants Way". It might take another lie to do it, but I have faith....
You know, I'm actually feeling better right now where this team might be. Judge just might be a diamond in the rough.
I'm hoping he's as strong behind closed doors as is his in front of a microphone and can really push on Gettleman to get his way...
True. The person most responsible for Daniel Jones being a NY Giant is actually Pat Shurmur, even though DG made the decision ultimately. I would just prefer letting a coach succeed or fail entirely on their own merits and decisions and not after finding out a GM chose their OC and DC and signed some WR they didn't want.
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to McDaniels in their 2018 interview about personnel...
"That's why they pay me the big bucks..."
So no change in process at Jints Central. Back to "normal".
Link?
It was posted last week as something another poster heard in a podcast. May have been Lombardi...??
Regardless, and be honest, do you have any problem at all hearing Gettleman saying that? I mean, that would be CLASSIC Gettleman...
Exactly.
And when you think about it, how many players are actually in the debate?
It's not like all 53. We can practically name about the first 45.
We're talking a handful of players, and the GM would be silly not to listen to the staff who will be coaching the players.
Collaboration.
don't give me BB, he may be the GM in a sense but he's one of the very few who have anywhere near the amount of power he has.
heres a list from 2013
Bill Belichick of the New England Patriots
Mike Shanahan of the Washington Redskins OUT OF THE LEAGUE and its the redskins so what does that really mean?
Sean Payton of the New Orleans Saints
Pete Carroll of the Seattle Seahawks
Chip Kelly of the Philadelphia Eagles OUT OF THE LEAGUE
Jeff Fisher of the St. Louis Rams OUT OF THE LEAGUE
you guys want to give any tom dick and "joe" full control of the roster? Coaches coach and GMs find players for their coaches.
I expect he will bring that level of expertise to collaborating with DG and will have significant input.
does that sound like he's picking all his groceries or him and his GM loomis collaborate on who they think would be right for this team?
Frankly, I think that Judge and DG are simpatico on a tough, physical team and will make decisions accordingly.
An example might be they have a productive player that has performed coming up on free agency (and not quite worth the 2nd contract). GM should be looking ahead and looking for that type in the draft.
Because they appear to have the same football philosophies, I guess you have to call Judge a trog, too.
Gettleman is support staff.
I was thinking this too.
No way he would strip Gettleman down in public on his first day on the job
So Alex Tanney remaining as a third QB was a Gettleman choice?
GM and coach work together on the 53...pretty simple. its his first day, you think he is gonna say nah DG will have to listen to me? He knows they are both going to work together, he was just giving the PC answer.
Today was a great day! We introduced a coach who seems to have a great plan. Mara seems on board with his plan, i doubt a GM gets in the way of that. they are both old school mentality and i expect them to work well with each other to form the roster judge feels is best to implement his style of play. Can BBI be happy for ONCE?
So Alex Tanney remaining as a third QB was a Gettleman choice?
Please don't be thick as a brick. I guarantee you Tanney on that roster was solely on Shurmur.
However, the GM always, always, and forever has final say on the team - he's the one that signs the contracts. Does not mean Gettleman is going to run roughshod over Judge's wishes. They may disagree on a final piece or two and it may come down to contract numbers on players of equal value.
Let's remember that Parcells and Young pissed in each others cereal on occasion.
Let's go to last draft. Shurmur wanted Jones. Gettleman wanted Josh Allen - he said it. He said it killed him not to take Allen, but a QB trumps an ER/OLB and he feared Jones would not be there at 17. So he took Jones.
I do think Gettleman will get better input from Judge vis a vie players than Shurmur. I am absolutely certain that based on Judge's meticulous attention to detail if he wants X player he will get X player.
The final 53 -- which is never "final," will be determined ON THE FIELD by the Head Coach.
If JJ is telling DG, "I can't use this guy. He doesn't fit what we're doing." I expect DG (who is already on notice about his job), to listen, and be "the support staff for the coaches," he keeps claiming to be, and make any necessary changes.
Nothing that such players are hard to find and the Pats don't have a fantastic track record in the draft. They do, however, have a great history of turning other teams' cast-offs into very useful players.
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to McDaniels in their 2018 interview about personnel...
"That's why they pay me the big bucks..."
So no change in process at Jints Central. Back to "normal".
Link?
It was posted last week as something another poster heard in a podcast. May have been Lombardi...??
Regardless, and be honest, do you have any problem at all hearing Gettleman saying that? I mean, that would be CLASSIC Gettleman...
On 1/3 you said
bw in dc : 1/3/2020 10:15 pm : link : reply
posted earlier this week that McDaniels may have been turned off two years ago by Gettleman. McDaniels asked how disputes are resolved over differences in personnel and apparently Gettleman said, "...that's why they pay me the big bucks..."
So Gettleman...
And latrer when pressed for a link
RE: RE: Someone (Sean?)...
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In comment 14755655 Saquads26 said:
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In comment 14755634 bw in dc said:
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posted earlier this week that McDaniels may have been turned off two years ago by Gettleman. McDaniels asked how disputes are resolved over differences in personnel and apparently Gettleman said, "...that's why they pay me the big bucks..."
So Gettleman...
Link to a direct quote from McDaniels?
There wasn't. Sounded like a rumor.
On 1/6 it was a mantra
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The buzz from the beginning has been this is the Giants guy. So let’s assume they reach the point where they begin discussing details. Potential sticking points:
- Rhule has a huge buyout he needs to pay, plus no state income tax, much lower cost of living in Texas than NJ. If he factors in all he’s probably gonna ask for $7-10 million a year. Somewhere in that window.
- Personnel. Is he going to want final say in the ingredients? Without getting that written into his deal he’s powerless to know he will be heard.
- Staff. His deal last year fell apart over staff. Are the Giants going to let him bring whoever regardless of experience level or lack thereof.
I'm not in the Rhule camp, but if he doesn't get to hire whomever he wants as his assistants then he shouldn't be here. Do a 180 and fly back to Waco - or Charlotte - because we are a sink hole as an organization.
I seriously doubt he gets final say. In other words, if there is a serious split over two guys, with Rhule wanting one and Gettleman the other, I fear the Gettleman mantra - "that's why they pay me the big bucks" - will prevail. Which makes me ill...
Is there a link? If not you should stop referring to it as truth.
And he knows it. The East will be harder to win - Dallas may have finally fixed their legendary ineptness, Philly has an outstanding coach, even the Skins have Rivera/Del Rio.
If he causes Judge to trip over his fat butt, his name will live in infamy.
Hey Dave, teams that kneel the ball at the end of games win 99.9999% of the games, maybe we should focus on leading the league in kneeling the ball!
Hopefully Judge has major major major impact on personnel. Gettleman embarrasses himself half the time he talks. He should stick to scouting.
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I think he has enough on his plate right now. Let's worry about making him GM til after he's shown he can handle what he's already been given.
And let's wait to decide the current gm is no good til after the new coach has a chance. I think most agree our coaching wa worse than our personnel last year. So I have no problem addressing just the coaching for right now.
Hey Dave, teams that kneel the ball at the end of games win 99.9999% of the games, maybe we should focus on leading the league in kneeling the ball!
Hopefully Judge has major major major impact on personnel. Gettleman embarrasses himself half the time he talks. He should stick to scouting.
It's alarming that he gets more data from the NBC Wild Card broadcast than he does from the four computer guys.
Of course, that doesn't mean things won't change. The Jets fired McCagnan after hiring Gase. I'm not suggesting the Giants are firing Gettleman, but it is not unheard of. You would hope that Gettleman would strongly incorporate what Judge has to say into their signings and draft picks, but it's no guarantee.
In any event, Gettleman will not be here much longer if the results don't change, and fast.
Serious question.
Run the ball. stop the run, harass the QB.
What I have a problem with his inept implementation of it ; he hires two WCO coaches who were not interested in any of the above and now he finds himself running for his life!
2nd Generation - Coughlin/Gilbride had a good run till they ran out of talent and Tom eventually lost his edge (happens to the best). Judge comes out of the same original Parcells - Belichick Tree. He's 3rd generation; I have a lot of hope for him.
You guys love to bitch about nothing.
If Judge is successful, it will be that Gettleman got out of the way.
If he fails Gettleman will be meddling too much.
Same thing has happened for years. Accorsi was either great or riding Coughlin's coattails. Reese was either good at first or coasting on talent given to him by Accorsi. Everybody needs their villain.
And don't give me this Giants way bullshit. If there is a disagreement you want the guy with the longer term vision (GM) making that call.
And don't give me this Giants way bullshit. If there is a disagreement you want the guy with the longer term vision (GM) making that call.
Yes, because that longer term vision guy brought us the fabulous Leonard Williams deal...
Overreact to the 'DG has final say' soundbyte all you want. That's what it would be, an overreaction.
"You know, I felt the exact same way. The interesting thing, when you go through an interview process, you’re looking for the broad view, you’re looking for intelligence and we talked about that. The thing that was really amazing to me was, and he said it, it really was just a conversation. That’s really what it was. It was easy for him. The biggest thing when you’re hiring a head coach is you have to picture him in front of the room. He has to command that kind of respect. Yeah, for me, it was the same."
Let’s get this big picture question out of the way. Obviously, we understand Giants, personnel, collaborative. If you disagree, who has the final say?
"At the end of the day, it’s about building consensus and it’s about getting to the right place. I’ve been doing this long enough with Ron (Rivera) and then Pat (Shurmur), whatever. We’re going to get to the right place. It’s not… It’s about the right answer."
It’s not slamming your fist down?
"No, I’ve never done that in my life. Except when, no I’m only kidding. I can’t say it. I can’t give you a throwaway line. Bottom line is, it’s collaborative."
I’ve heard some people say so I’ll ask you, there’s this perception from some that it’s going to be Dave Gettleman picking the players and it’s Joe Judge’s job to coach them. Do you feel that way?
"No. It’s going to be collaborative. I don’t understand where that notion comes from. That notion has got to be coming from people that have never worked with me.
That is the Giants way. In the past, that was George Young’s statement, right? The GM picks the players.
"There was a way, way back in the day. It was scouts scout, players play, coaches’ coach, etc. That world has changed."
The commentary from many here yesterday is that Rhule was given carte blanche to build a program (even though the Panthers have a GM in place). And in this thread the exact opposite sentiment is expressed.
I'll let you guys ponder why, but I'm guessing it is because some of you have dug in so deep that you are afraid your shoes will get stuck in the shit you shovel.
His deference to DG was a very politically correct statement.
My superficial understanding of both individuals is that decisions will be mutual.
Did everyone miss his comments on how he evaluated NE's draft picks? The Special Teams coach evaluating draft picks? Since when ?; unless your ability to judge value to a team is held in very high regard.
Some fans will choose to ignore this just so they can be miserable and complain.
A: No. It’s going to be collaborative. I don’t understand where that notion comes from. That notion has got to be coming from people that have never worked with me.
People here are so dug in on their shitty agendas they fail to see the obvious.
If Gettleman has the final say on the roster, great. Hopefully there won’t be as much of a desire to get a coach “his guys.”
All that said, I’m confident based on everything the Giants have said (including DG and Mara) that Judge will have plenty of influence on the players acquired in the draft and FA.
It seems like some people thought even though the Giants retained Gettleman that they were only doing so out of charity and his only job was going to be organizing the annual Christmas party and company picnic.
The commentary from many here yesterday is that Rhule was given carte blanche to build a program (even though the Panthers have a GM in place). And in this thread the exact opposite sentiment is expressed.
I'll let you guys ponder why, but I'm guessing it is because some of you have dug in so deep that you are afraid your shoes will get stuck in the shit you shovel.
You and I don't see eye to eye much, but I don't or didn't see anything in either of their answers that are alarming. What is Judge going to say? I'm the new boss? Similarly, what is Gettleman going to say? I have final say and too bad for everyone else?
Yeah.
Deciding which players make the final 53 does not mean he'd be running the draft or signing free agents. It's determined by evaluating which of the players who are already signed are compatible enough with his strategy, culture, and vision to stay signed, and which aren't.
Better the coaches make that call than the GM.