I tend not to get worked up about this stuff, our front office has been a turnstile lately. If he does bad he'll just be fired and they'll promote the next guy with Giants ties as the next GM.
DG says in this interview today that it's going to be a Â
this first time head coach should have final say on the 53?
I think he has enough on his plate right now. Let's worry about making him GM til after he's shown he can handle what he's already been given.
And let's wait to decide the current gm is no good til after the new coach has a chance. I think most agree our coaching wa worse than our personnel last year. So I have no problem addressing just the coaching for right now.
Based on our last 2 years, Gettleman should be begging Â
about the top 4 rushing teams making the playoffs and the top 4 passing teams not making the playoffs, and using that as a rational for why we need to run the ball and stop the run, showed a complete fundamental misunderstanding of the underlying statistics.
Hey Dave, teams that kneel the ball at the end of games win 99.9999% of the games, maybe we should focus on leading the league in kneeling the ball!
Hopefully Judge has major major major impact on personnel. Gettleman embarrasses himself half the time he talks. He should stick to scouting.
It's alarming that he gets more data from the NBC Wild Card broadcast than he does from the four computer guys.
I didn't expect Judge to say anything else, nor did I expect Gettleman to say it's anything other than a collaboration. I imagine Judge appealed to the Giants, in part, because he didn't want roster control. You can bet your ass that Gettleman wanted someone like that.
Of course, that doesn't mean things won't change. The Jets fired McCagnan after hiring Gase. I'm not suggesting the Giants are firing Gettleman, but it is not unheard of. You would hope that Gettleman would strongly incorporate what Judge has to say into their signings and draft picks, but it's no guarantee.
In any event, Gettleman will not be here much longer if the results don't change, and fast.
What I have a problem with his inept implementation of it ; he hires two WCO coaches who were not interested in any of the above and now he finds himself running for his life!
2nd Generation - Coughlin/Gilbride had a good run till they ran out of talent and Tom eventually lost his edge (happens to the best). Judge comes out of the same original Parcells - Belichick Tree. He's 3rd generation; I have a lot of hope for him.
If Judge is successful, it will be that Gettleman got out of the way.
If he fails Gettleman will be meddling too much.
Same thing has happened for years. Accorsi was either great or riding Coughlin's coattails. Reese was either good at first or coasting on talent given to him by Accorsi. Everybody needs their villain.
Cut Daniel Jones? I am sure he will take the coaches input, but even if he does have the final say we are talking about maybe the last one or two roster spots.
And don't give me this Giants way bullshit. If there is a disagreement you want the guy with the longer term vision (GM) making that call.
Cut Daniel Jones? I am sure he will take the coaches input, but even if he does have the final say we are talking about maybe the last one or two roster spots.
And don't give me this Giants way bullshit. If there is a disagreement you want the guy with the longer term vision (GM) making that call.
Yes, because that longer term vision guy brought us the fabulous Leonard Williams deal...
If you watched everything everyone said today from owners to GM to the new HC the roster will be a partnership between the GM, HC, and scouts. That's it.
Overreact to the 'DG has final say' soundbyte all you want. That's what it would be, an overreaction.
I know John (Mara) told us that he felt as though Monday afternoon, the search was over. What were your feelings when you exited the interview with Joe (Judge)?
"You know, I felt the exact same way. The interesting thing, when you go through an interview process, you’re looking for the broad view, you’re looking for intelligence and we talked about that. The thing that was really amazing to me was, and he said it, it really was just a conversation. That’s really what it was. It was easy for him. The biggest thing when you’re hiring a head coach is you have to picture him in front of the room. He has to command that kind of respect. Yeah, for me, it was the same."
Let’s get this big picture question out of the way. Obviously, we understand Giants, personnel, collaborative. If you disagree, who has the final say?
"At the end of the day, it’s about building consensus and it’s about getting to the right place. I’ve been doing this long enough with Ron (Rivera) and then Pat (Shurmur), whatever. We’re going to get to the right place. It’s not… It’s about the right answer."
It’s not slamming your fist down?
"No, I’ve never done that in my life. Except when, no I’m only kidding. I can’t say it. I can’t give you a throwaway line. Bottom line is, it’s collaborative."
I’ve heard some people say so I’ll ask you, there’s this perception from some that it’s going to be Dave Gettleman picking the players and it’s Joe Judge’s job to coach them. Do you feel that way?
"No. It’s going to be collaborative. I don’t understand where that notion comes from. That notion has got to be coming from people that have never worked with me.
That is the Giants way. In the past, that was George Young’s statement, right? The GM picks the players.
"There was a way, way back in the day. It was scouts scout, players play, coaches’ coach, etc. That world has changed."
about this topic is that the Rhule and Judge press conferences both talk extensively about everyone being on the same page, being collaborative and all working towards a common goal.
The commentary from many here yesterday is that Rhule was given carte blanche to build a program (even though the Panthers have a GM in place). And in this thread the exact opposite sentiment is expressed.
I'll let you guys ponder why, but I'm guessing it is because some of you have dug in so deep that you are afraid your shoes will get stuck in the shit you shovel.
RE: I'm sure Judge will have a lot of input regardless Â
His deference to DG was a very politically correct statement.
My superficial understanding of both individuals is that decisions will be mutual.
Did everyone miss his comments on how he evaluated NE's draft picks? The Special Teams coach evaluating draft picks? Since when ?; unless your ability to judge value to a team is held in very high regard.
Q: I’ve heard some people say so I’ll ask you, there’s this perception from some that it’s going to be Dave Gettleman picking the players and it’s Joe Judge’s job to coach them. Do you feel that way?
A: No. It’s going to be collaborative. I don’t understand where that notion comes from. That notion has got to be coming from people that have never worked with me.
That Judge was just going to be given the keys to be the HC, GM, president of football everything , etc., a la Belichick all at once? That would be quite a a jump for a 38 year old who has not held any of those positions for a single day at any level. That’s also an arrangement that is fairly rare and I’m not sure who else it really applies to aside from Belichick.
All that said, I’m confident based on everything the Giants have said (including DG and Mara) that Judge will have plenty of influence on the players acquired in the draft and FA.
It seems like some people thought even though the Giants retained Gettleman that they were only doing so out of charity and his only job was going to be organizing the annual Christmas party and company picnic.
about this topic is that the Rhule and Judge press conferences both talk extensively about everyone being on the same page, being collaborative and all working towards a common goal.
The commentary from many here yesterday is that Rhule was given carte blanche to build a program (even though the Panthers have a GM in place). And in this thread the exact opposite sentiment is expressed.
I'll let you guys ponder why, but I'm guessing it is because some of you have dug in so deep that you are afraid your shoes will get stuck in the shit you shovel.
You and I don't see eye to eye much, but I don't or didn't see anything in either of their answers that are alarming. What is Judge going to say? I'm the new boss? Similarly, what is Gettleman going to say? I have final say and too bad for everyone else?
Deciding which players make the final 53 does not mean he'd be running the draft or signing free agents. It's determined by evaluating which of the players who are already signed are compatible enough with his strategy, culture, and vision to stay signed, and which aren't.
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I think he has enough on his plate right now. Let's worry about making him GM til after he's shown he can handle what he's already been given.
And let's wait to decide the current gm is no good til after the new coach has a chance. I think most agree our coaching wa worse than our personnel last year. So I have no problem addressing just the coaching for right now.
Hey Dave, teams that kneel the ball at the end of games win 99.9999% of the games, maybe we should focus on leading the league in kneeling the ball!
Hopefully Judge has major major major impact on personnel. Gettleman embarrasses himself half the time he talks. He should stick to scouting.
It's alarming that he gets more data from the NBC Wild Card broadcast than he does from the four computer guys.
Of course, that doesn't mean things won't change. The Jets fired McCagnan after hiring Gase. I'm not suggesting the Giants are firing Gettleman, but it is not unheard of. You would hope that Gettleman would strongly incorporate what Judge has to say into their signings and draft picks, but it's no guarantee.
In any event, Gettleman will not be here much longer if the results don't change, and fast.
Serious question.
Run the ball. stop the run, harass the QB.
What I have a problem with his inept implementation of it ; he hires two WCO coaches who were not interested in any of the above and now he finds himself running for his life!
2nd Generation - Coughlin/Gilbride had a good run till they ran out of talent and Tom eventually lost his edge (happens to the best). Judge comes out of the same original Parcells - Belichick Tree. He's 3rd generation; I have a lot of hope for him.
You guys love to bitch about nothing.
If Judge is successful, it will be that Gettleman got out of the way.
If he fails Gettleman will be meddling too much.
Same thing has happened for years. Accorsi was either great or riding Coughlin's coattails. Reese was either good at first or coasting on talent given to him by Accorsi. Everybody needs their villain.
And don't give me this Giants way bullshit. If there is a disagreement you want the guy with the longer term vision (GM) making that call.
And don't give me this Giants way bullshit. If there is a disagreement you want the guy with the longer term vision (GM) making that call.
Yes, because that longer term vision guy brought us the fabulous Leonard Williams deal...
Overreact to the 'DG has final say' soundbyte all you want. That's what it would be, an overreaction.
"You know, I felt the exact same way. The interesting thing, when you go through an interview process, you’re looking for the broad view, you’re looking for intelligence and we talked about that. The thing that was really amazing to me was, and he said it, it really was just a conversation. That’s really what it was. It was easy for him. The biggest thing when you’re hiring a head coach is you have to picture him in front of the room. He has to command that kind of respect. Yeah, for me, it was the same."
Let’s get this big picture question out of the way. Obviously, we understand Giants, personnel, collaborative. If you disagree, who has the final say?
"At the end of the day, it’s about building consensus and it’s about getting to the right place. I’ve been doing this long enough with Ron (Rivera) and then Pat (Shurmur), whatever. We’re going to get to the right place. It’s not… It’s about the right answer."
It’s not slamming your fist down?
"No, I’ve never done that in my life. Except when, no I’m only kidding. I can’t say it. I can’t give you a throwaway line. Bottom line is, it’s collaborative."
I’ve heard some people say so I’ll ask you, there’s this perception from some that it’s going to be Dave Gettleman picking the players and it’s Joe Judge’s job to coach them. Do you feel that way?
"No. It’s going to be collaborative. I don’t understand where that notion comes from. That notion has got to be coming from people that have never worked with me.
That is the Giants way. In the past, that was George Young’s statement, right? The GM picks the players.
"There was a way, way back in the day. It was scouts scout, players play, coaches’ coach, etc. That world has changed."
The commentary from many here yesterday is that Rhule was given carte blanche to build a program (even though the Panthers have a GM in place). And in this thread the exact opposite sentiment is expressed.
I'll let you guys ponder why, but I'm guessing it is because some of you have dug in so deep that you are afraid your shoes will get stuck in the shit you shovel.
His deference to DG was a very politically correct statement.
My superficial understanding of both individuals is that decisions will be mutual.
Did everyone miss his comments on how he evaluated NE's draft picks? The Special Teams coach evaluating draft picks? Since when ?; unless your ability to judge value to a team is held in very high regard.
Some fans will choose to ignore this just so they can be miserable and complain.
A: No. It’s going to be collaborative. I don’t understand where that notion comes from. That notion has got to be coming from people that have never worked with me.
People here are so dug in on their shitty agendas they fail to see the obvious.
If Gettleman has the final say on the roster, great. Hopefully there won’t be as much of a desire to get a coach “his guys.”
All that said, I’m confident based on everything the Giants have said (including DG and Mara) that Judge will have plenty of influence on the players acquired in the draft and FA.
It seems like some people thought even though the Giants retained Gettleman that they were only doing so out of charity and his only job was going to be organizing the annual Christmas party and company picnic.
The commentary from many here yesterday is that Rhule was given carte blanche to build a program (even though the Panthers have a GM in place). And in this thread the exact opposite sentiment is expressed.
I'll let you guys ponder why, but I'm guessing it is because some of you have dug in so deep that you are afraid your shoes will get stuck in the shit you shovel.
You and I don't see eye to eye much, but I don't or didn't see anything in either of their answers that are alarming. What is Judge going to say? I'm the new boss? Similarly, what is Gettleman going to say? I have final say and too bad for everyone else?
Yeah.
Deciding which players make the final 53 does not mean he'd be running the draft or signing free agents. It's determined by evaluating which of the players who are already signed are compatible enough with his strategy, culture, and vision to stay signed, and which aren't.
Better the coaches make that call than the GM.