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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2020 6:12 pm
General Manager Dave Gettleman -- January 9, 2020

Q: I know John (Mara) told us that he felt as though Monday afternoon, the search was over. What were your feelings when you exited the interview with Joe (Judge)?
A: You know, I felt the exact same way. The interesting thing, when you go through an interview process, youíre looking for the broad view, youíre looking for intelligence and we talked about that. The thing that was really amazing to me was, and he said it, it really was just a conversation. Thatís really what it was. It was easy for him. The biggest thing when youíre hiring a head coach is you have to picture him in front of the room. He has to command that kind of respect. Yeah, for me, it was the same.

Q: Letís get this big picture question out of the way. Obviously, we understand Giants, personnel, collaborative. If you disagree, who has the final say?
A: At the end of the day, itís about building consensus and itís about getting to the right place. Iíve been doing this long enough with Ron (Rivera) and then Pat (Shurmur), whatever. Weíre going to get to the right place. Itís notÖ Itís about the right answer.

Q: Itís not slamming your fist down?
A: No, Iíve never done that in my life. Except when, no Iím only kidding. I canít say it. I canít give you a throwaway line. Bottom line is, itís collaborative.

Q: Iíve heard some people say so Iíll ask you, thereís this perception from some that itís going to be Dave Gettleman picking the players and itís Joe Judgeís job to coach them. Do you feel that way?
A: No. Itís going to be collaborative. I donít understand where that notion comes from. That notion has got to be coming from people that have never worked with me.

Q: That is the Giants way. In the past, that was George Youngís statement, right? The GM picks the players.
A: There was a way, way back in the day. It was scouts scout, players play, coachesí coach, etc. That world has changed.

Q: Is there anywhere in particular you and Joe align in terms of your philosophies about team-building and how you want him to coach this team and all that stuff?
A: First of all, he has to coach the team the way he feels comfortable. The biggest thing was when he came in and said, ĎYou have to run the ball, you have to stop the run, and letís play special teams.í Thereís a toughness that you develop when you build your team to do those kinds of things. People say itís a passing league, I get that, but that graphic on Sunday afternoon should not have been lost on everybody. Top four passing teams were not in the playoffs, the top four rushing teams were in the playoffs. Donít quote me but most of the teams were in the top I think 12 in terms of rushing. Again, itís a physical, violent game and if you donít build your team to do that late in the year when the weatherís lousy and itís mush out there, the tougher team is going to win.

Q: I know Joe is hesitant to talk about the roster until he can actually get in the building and dig in. But from your dealings with him, I would imagine that he feels the same way about Daniel Jones as you guys do, right? Is there any change in what you feel about Daniel and how heís the quarterback here?
A: Itís like Joe said. Heís on the outside looking in the periphery. We believe Daniel is our guy.

Q: And you have no reason to believe he doesnít believeÖ
A: I havenít had the chance to have a conversation with him yet. Really.

Q: How much was he part of the interviews, Daniel, in general?
A: The interviews are more philosophical. They really are. Itís whereís your head, whereís our head, and can the two heads get together and mush. Thatís really what that is. You donít go player by player by player down the roster. You canít.

Q: Joe spoke about fundamentals and all of the scheme stuff will kind of fall into place. Do you think all along people put too much emphasis on scheme and the importance of scheme and not enough on fundamentals?
A: Absolutely, absolutely. The bottom line is, thereís an old saying in coaching, ĎThe last guy with the chalk wins.í At the end of the day if youíre not fundamentally sound, and you look at the teams, me as an evaluator, watching the teams that are in the playoffs, they are all fundamentally sound.

Q: When did he pop up on your radar? The general fan doesnít know who Joe Judge is, so when did he show up for you guys?
A: Every once in a while, you get into conversations about coaches around the league with other guys. Joeís name kept popping up for me. Again, so you look at the resume, you look at the background, you say, okay, wait a minuteó five championships in 10 years, worked for Belichick, worked for Saban, did the grunt work like a lot of us did, lining the fields and working at Birmingham-Southern.

Q: Birmingham-Southern.
A: Birmingham-Southern. You know what Iím saying? He did all of that stuff. When you get a guy whoís had dirt under his fingers, thereís a, I donít know the word that Iím looking for, thereís just a comfortableness there that says he understands it, he comes from the ground up.

Q: You went through the process, you have an open mind, but if youíre being honest with yourself were you surprised you end up with him at the end?
A: You donít know. You donít know. You have to go in with an open mind. You canít say, ĎHeís the guy.í You canít do that. You canít cloud your thinking, you have to take each individual as you interview them and go from there.

Q: Heís never been in this role before, but he seems to have a pretty specific vision for the type of team and players he wants. How has the structure in terms of personnel maybe changed or how is that setup going forward with you and Joe working together?
A: Weíre going to work together. Iím not exactly sure what youíre saying.

Q: I guess what Iím trying to say is, do you have final say over personnel?
A: Itís collaborative. It is collaborative, weíll work through every situation.

Q: With that being said, you mentioned the ground up approach. Whatís the biggest thing you think he needs to learn and how can you help him in the head coaching?
A: Iíve got to get to know him a lot better before I make that statement. The bottom line is he is foundationally sound, heís got a great philosophy, he understands about teaching, itís all of that stuff that he gets that has me excited.

Q: What does Ďold schoolí mean to you?
A: Old school to me means youíre always going to be strong with the basics. The fancy schmancy is nice, but you get to that when your basics are sound. To me, thatís what old school is.

Q: You were happy to hear him use the words Ďold schoolí?
A: Doesnít bother me (laughter).

Q: How confident are you that heíll be able to work with the quarterback? I know heís got to work with all 53 butÖ
A: Heís going to work with everybody. Everywhere heís been heís worked with the whole team as a special teams coordinator. Listen, Daniel is a great kid, heís a great young man and itís going to be fine.
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Sigh  
AdamBrag : 1/9/2020 6:55 pm : link
This quote sums up some of the main problems with Gettleman:

"Q: Is there anywhere in particular you and Joe align in terms of your philosophies about team-building and how you want him to coach this team and all that stuff?

A: First of all, he has to coach the team the way he feels comfortable. The biggest thing was when he came in and said, ĎYou have to run the ball, you have to stop the run, and letís play special teams.í Thereís a toughness that you develop when you build your team to do those kinds of things. People say itís a passing league, I get that, but that graphic on Sunday afternoon should not have been lost on everybody. Top four passing teams were not in the playoffs, the top four rushing teams were in the playoffs. Donít quote me but most of the teams were in the top I think 12 in terms of rushing. Again, itís a physical, violent game and if you donít build your team to do that late in the year when the weatherís lousy and itís mush out there, the tougher team is going to win."


It shows he doesn't even understand the basics of analytics. Teams that are winning can run the ball more. Teams that are behind pass the ball more. That's why using pure rushing and passing stats is a major fallacy. There is no way he's meeting with a lot of people in analytics if he's pushing this nonsense.

It shows he's still building a team that is going to be designed around stopping the run. If you look at the best defensive teams in the NFL, their main focus is stopping the pass.

This discussion was the main thing he liked about Joe Judge! I interpret this to mean he's so stubborn about his outdated view he's going to double down on it.

So Adam, he drafted Baker, Love, Ballantine  
yatqb : 1/9/2020 7:02 pm : link
and two guys to rush the passer last year, and Beal with a supplemental pick earlier, but somehow you think he's only concerned with stopping the run? That seems like hearing what you're looking to hear imo.
And he traded for Peppers  
David in Belmont : 1/9/2020 7:08 pm : link
Clearly DG knows about the importance of stopping the pass as well as the run.
RE: Sigh  
bw in dc : 1/9/2020 7:11 pm : link
In comment 14770668 AdamBrag said:
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This quote sums up some of the main problems with Gettleman:

"Q: Is there anywhere in particular you and Joe align in terms of your philosophies about team-building and how you want him to coach this team and all that stuff?

A: First of all, he has to coach the team the way he feels comfortable. The biggest thing was when he came in and said, ĎYou have to run the ball, you have to stop the run, and letís play special teams.í Thereís a toughness that you develop when you build your team to do those kinds of things. People say itís a passing league, I get that, but that graphic on Sunday afternoon should not have been lost on everybody. Top four passing teams were not in the playoffs, the top four rushing teams were in the playoffs. Donít quote me but most of the teams were in the top I think 12 in terms of rushing. Again, itís a physical, violent game and if you donít build your team to do that late in the year when the weatherís lousy and itís mush out there, the tougher team is going to win."

It shows he doesn't even understand the basics of analytics. Teams that are winning can run the ball more. Teams that are behind pass the ball more. That's why using pure rushing and passing stats is a major fallacy. There is no way he's meeting with a lot of people in analytics if he's pushing this nonsense.

It shows he's still building a team that is going to be designed around stopping the run. If you look at the best defensive teams in the NFL, their main focus is stopping the pass.

This discussion was the main thing he liked about Joe Judge! I interpret this to mean he's so stubborn about his outdated view he's going to double down on it.


I loved the "...but that graphic on Sunday afternoon should not have been lost on everybody..."

In other words, he just saw it on TV - probably for the first time - and that confirms his intuition...
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Scuzzlebutt : 1/9/2020 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14770684 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14770668 AdamBrag said:


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This quote sums up some of the main problems with Gettleman:

"Q: Is there anywhere in particular you and Joe align in terms of your philosophies about team-building and how you want him to coach this team and all that stuff?

A: First of all, he has to coach the team the way he feels comfortable. The biggest thing was when he came in and said, ĎYou have to run the ball, you have to stop the run, and letís play special teams.í Thereís a toughness that you develop when you build your team to do those kinds of things. People say itís a passing league, I get that, but that graphic on Sunday afternoon should not have been lost on everybody. Top four passing teams were not in the playoffs, the top four rushing teams were in the playoffs. Donít quote me but most of the teams were in the top I think 12 in terms of rushing. Again, itís a physical, violent game and if you donít build your team to do that late in the year when the weatherís lousy and itís mush out there, the tougher team is going to win."

It shows he doesn't even understand the basics of analytics. Teams that are winning can run the ball more. Teams that are behind pass the ball more. That's why using pure rushing and passing stats is a major fallacy. There is no way he's meeting with a lot of people in analytics if he's pushing this nonsense.

It shows he's still building a team that is going to be designed around stopping the run. If you look at the best defensive teams in the NFL, their main focus is stopping the pass.

This discussion was the main thing he liked about Joe Judge! I interpret this to mean he's so stubborn about his outdated view he's going to double down on it.




I loved the "...but that graphic on Sunday afternoon should not have been lost on everybody..."

In other words, he just saw it on TV - probably for the first time - and that confirms his intuition...


Yes - I'm sure this philosophy about running the ball is based purely on "intuition".
The conclusions some of you guys jump to are un fucking real  
jlukes : 1/9/2020 7:14 pm : link
Just twist the words to fit your pre conceived notions. Awesome
RE: Sigh  
Joey in VA : 1/9/2020 7:22 pm : link
In comment 14770668 AdamBrag said:
Quote:
This quote sums up some of the main problems with Gettleman:

"Q: Is there anywhere in particular you and Joe align in terms of your philosophies about team-building and how you want him to coach this team and all that stuff?

A: First of all, he has to coach the team the way he feels comfortable. The biggest thing was when he came in and said, ĎYou have to run the ball, you have to stop the run, and letís play special teams.í Thereís a toughness that you develop when you build your team to do those kinds of things. People say itís a passing league, I get that, but that graphic on Sunday afternoon should not have been lost on everybody. Top four passing teams were not in the playoffs, the top four rushing teams were in the playoffs. Donít quote me but most of the teams were in the top I think 12 in terms of rushing. Again, itís a physical, violent game and if you donít build your team to do that late in the year when the weatherís lousy and itís mush out there, the tougher team is going to win."

It shows he doesn't even understand the basics of analytics. Teams that are winning can run the ball more. Teams that are behind pass the ball more. That's why using pure rushing and passing stats is a major fallacy. There is no way he's meeting with a lot of people in analytics if he's pushing this nonsense.

It shows he's still building a team that is going to be designed around stopping the run. If you look at the best defensive teams in the NFL, their main focus is stopping the pass.

This discussion was the main thing he liked about Joe Judge! I interpret this to mean he's so stubborn about his outdated view he's going to double down on it.
FFS here's what all of you miss with this. If if if you can't stop the run and run nothing else works. It's foundational, it's not the end all be all, but if you can't do those two things, you can't stack more on top. It's about the basics that you have to master first, it's not the ONLY thing you have to do. Why does everyone who thinks they are so much smarter than an NFL GM push out the same shit and pretend they have some advanced football knowledge?
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section125 : 1/9/2020 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14770684 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14770668 AdamBrag said:


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This quote sums up some of the main problems with Gettleman:

"Q: Is there anywhere in particular you and Joe align in terms of your philosophies about team-building and how you want him to coach this team and all that stuff?

A: First of all, he has to coach the team the way he feels comfortable. The biggest thing was when he came in and said, ĎYou have to run the ball, you have to stop the run, and letís play special teams.í Thereís a toughness that you develop when you build your team to do those kinds of things. People say itís a passing league, I get that, but that graphic on Sunday afternoon should not have been lost on everybody. Top four passing teams were not in the playoffs, the top four rushing teams were in the playoffs. Donít quote me but most of the teams were in the top I think 12 in terms of rushing. Again, itís a physical, violent game and if you donít build your team to do that late in the year when the weatherís lousy and itís mush out there, the tougher team is going to win."

It shows he doesn't even understand the basics of analytics. Teams that are winning can run the ball more. Teams that are behind pass the ball more. That's why using pure rushing and passing stats is a major fallacy. There is no way he's meeting with a lot of people in analytics if he's pushing this nonsense.

It shows he's still building a team that is going to be designed around stopping the run. If you look at the best defensive teams in the NFL, their main focus is stopping the pass.

This discussion was the main thing he liked about Joe Judge! I interpret this to mean he's so stubborn about his outdated view he's going to double down on it.




I loved the "...but that graphic on Sunday afternoon should not have been lost on everybody..."

In other words, he just saw it on TV - probably for the first time - and that confirms his intuition...


Yeah that's what it means, he didn't know it. I guy that has been preaching running the ball and stopping the run wouldn't know that teams that run the football win. Bill Parcells use to always quote Lombardi, who said when you throw the ball three things can happen and two are not good.


It is getting annoying "listening" to you twist words to fit your narrative.

"You have to run the ball, you have to stop the run"  
Enzo : 1/9/2020 7:26 pm : link
wow, DG said almost the same thing last week! What a coincidence!
Joey, it's because they're smart, just like Fredo,  
yatqb : 1/9/2020 7:28 pm : link
absolutely not like people say.
RE: Joey, it's because they're smart, just like Fredo,  
Britt in VA : 1/9/2020 7:29 pm : link
In comment 14770706 yatqb said:
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absolutely not like people say.


lol
Sigh .... sigh ...  
Spider56 : 1/9/2020 7:30 pm : link
Son, Analytics is the buzzword of the decade ... Use it for your Fantasy Football league ... it has a place in strategy and planning but once the game starts, throw it out the window ... analytics doesnít get into the mind, heart or soul of the guys in the trenches who need to beat the piss out of each other to win... and it never will.
RE: Sigh .... sigh ...  
Enzo : 1/9/2020 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14770713 Spider56 said:
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Son, Analytics is the buzzword of the decade ... Use it for your Fantasy Football league ... it has a place in strategy and planning but once the game starts, throw it out the window.

bahaha. What a bunch of bullshit.
Gettleman really sounds out of touch  
Metnut : 1/9/2020 7:34 pm : link
on a few of these quotes. Itís a consistent pattern with him and that sort of thinking likely led to the hated Williams rental trade.
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bw in dc : 1/9/2020 7:43 pm : link
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Yeah that's what it means, he didn't know it. I guy that has been preaching running the ball and stopping the run wouldn't know that teams that run the football win. Bill Parcells use to always quote Lombardi, who said when you throw the ball three things can happen and two are not good.

It is getting annoying "listening" to you twist words to fit your narrative.


Come on Section. You have to admit it is funny and classic Gettleman saying he saw some graphic on TV Sunday afternoon to support his POV.

There really is, as AdamBrag points out, more context than simply having the most yards per game. It's getting the lead, keeping and/or expanding the lead, and then controlling and milking the clock to close out the game.

BBI  
BleedBlue : 1/9/2020 7:46 pm : link
right on time!

its gotten to the point where DG cant say ANYTHING without clowns on this board ripping him a new ass over nothing.

are you guys this miserable IRL?
"it is funny and classic Gettleman saying he saw some graphic on TV"  
Enzo : 1/9/2020 7:47 pm : link
I'm sure the other teams in our division think it's funny.
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AdamBrag : 1/9/2020 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14770697 Joey in VA said:
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FFS here's what all of you miss with this. If if if you can't stop the run and run nothing else works. It's foundational, it's not the end all be all, but if you can't do those two things, you can't stack more on top. It's about the basics that you have to master first, it's not the ONLY thing you have to do. Why does everyone who thinks they are so much smarter than an NFL GM push out the same shit and pretend they have some advanced football knowledge?


I have no doubt you do not have a comprehension of the nuances of football. That's fine. But, there has been a fundamental shift in how top teams are constructing their rosters and their overall Football philosophy.

The Giants are constructing their roster way differently then other top teams. I'm not inventing theories myself, I'm just looking at what top teams in the league are doing and saying that's what the Giants should do.
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BleedBlue : 1/9/2020 7:52 pm : link
In comment 14770743 AdamBrag said:
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FFS here's what all of you miss with this. If if if you can't stop the run and run nothing else works. It's foundational, it's not the end all be all, but if you can't do those two things, you can't stack more on top. It's about the basics that you have to master first, it's not the ONLY thing you have to do. Why does everyone who thinks they are so much smarter than an NFL GM push out the same shit and pretend they have some advanced football knowledge?



I have no doubt you do not have a comprehension of the nuances of football. That's fine. But, there has been a fundamental shift in how top teams are constructing their rosters and their overall Football philosophy.

The Giants are constructing their roster way differently then other top teams. I'm not inventing theories myself, I'm just looking at what top teams in the league are doing and saying that's what the Giants should do.


can you elaborate on this? What are other teams doing?
RE: So Adam, he drafted Baker, Love, Ballantine  
AdamBrag : 1/9/2020 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14770674 yatqb said:
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and two guys to rush the passer last year, and Beal with a supplemental pick earlier, but somehow you think he's only concerned with stopping the run? That seems like hearing what you're looking to hear imo.


I'm not saying Gettleman is completely ignoring the secondary, I'm saying he's devaluing it. Being a GM is about allocating limited resources. He is allocating better resources towards focusing on the run (a higher first round pick, Leonard Williams and the contract he will get). I completely agree, it's not black and white, and I don't think Gettleman believes that we should just ignore stopping the pass, I just think he doesn't value it as much. I think that's an issue.
RE: BBI  
Metnut : 1/9/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 14770736 BleedBlue said:
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right on time!

its gotten to the point where DG cant say ANYTHING without clowns on this board ripping him a new ass over nothing.

are you guys this miserable IRL?


Hi Mrs. Gettleman!
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jvm52106 : 1/9/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 14770743 AdamBrag said:
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FFS here's what all of you miss with this. If if if you can't stop the run and run nothing else works. It's foundational, it's not the end all be all, but if you can't do those two things, you can't stack more on top. It's about the basics that you have to master first, it's not the ONLY thing you have to do. Why does everyone who thinks they are so much smarter than an NFL GM push out the same shit and pretend they have some advanced football knowledge?



I have no doubt you do not have a comprehension of the nuances of football. That's fine. But, there has been a fundamental shift in how top teams are constructing their rosters and their overall Football philosophy.

The Giants are constructing their roster way differently then other top teams. I'm not inventing theories myself, I'm just looking at what top teams in the league are doing and saying that's what the Giants should do.


I wasn't going to say this but since you are doubling down on this, I am positive you took this pretty much from PFT and an article they did earlier today about DG and his quote. You are presenting this as if it were your thoughts directly but, your defense of others rebutting you is to basically point out more from what you clearly read there.
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BleedBlue : 1/9/2020 7:57 pm : link
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right on time!

its gotten to the point where DG cant say ANYTHING without clowns on this board ripping him a new ass over nothing.

are you guys this miserable IRL?



Hi Mrs. Gettleman!


trust youre closer to a female than me buddy.

Just because i dont shit on the GM every step of the way and cry like a bitch like you doesnt mean i love DG. Youre a met fan, i know youre used to being fucking miserable so it makes sense lol
Here is fact (by logic)  
jvm52106 : 1/9/2020 7:57 pm : link
you can be a top running team and have a very effective passing attack. The Patriots routinely have solid running numbers and not a single dominant back. Why, because they attack you on the ground from various formations and threaten you with the pass with base personnel.

Being able to run doesn't have to mean run 50%, 60% etc. but being able to run when you have to run and being able to run when you want to wear a team down!
RE: Sigh .... sigh ...  
AdamBrag : 1/9/2020 7:57 pm : link
In comment 14770713 Spider56 said:
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Son, Analytics is the buzzword of the decade ... Use it for your Fantasy Football league ... it has a place in strategy and planning but once the game starts, throw it out the window ... analytics doesnít get into the mind, heart or soul of the guys in the trenches who need to beat the piss out of each other to win... and it never will.


All the best teams in the NFL right now have the biggest analytics departments. What luck!

Also, I'm a former professional athlete (albeit briefly), I am well aware of what it takes to win. I can also say the better prepared I was before each game, the better position I was in to win. Analytics helps that.
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Joey in VA : 1/9/2020 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14770743 AdamBrag said:
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FFS here's what all of you miss with this. If if if you can't stop the run and run nothing else works. It's foundational, it's not the end all be all, but if you can't do those two things, you can't stack more on top. It's about the basics that you have to master first, it's not the ONLY thing you have to do. Why does everyone who thinks they are so much smarter than an NFL GM push out the same shit and pretend they have some advanced football knowledge?



I have no doubt you do not have a comprehension of the nuances of football. That's fine. But, there has been a fundamental shift in how top teams are constructing their rosters and their overall Football philosophy.

The Giants are constructing their roster way differently then other top teams. I'm not inventing theories myself, I'm just looking at what top teams in the league are doing and saying that's what the Giants should do.
Please enlighten me on the nuances I'm not seeing, I am eager to learn honestly. I played my entire life and coached for a long time but I am really ready to learn from you. Please let me know what nuances I don't grasp.
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BleedBlue : 1/9/2020 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14770756 Joey in VA said:
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FFS here's what all of you miss with this. If if if you can't stop the run and run nothing else works. It's foundational, it's not the end all be all, but if you can't do those two things, you can't stack more on top. It's about the basics that you have to master first, it's not the ONLY thing you have to do. Why does everyone who thinks they are so much smarter than an NFL GM push out the same shit and pretend they have some advanced football knowledge?



I have no doubt you do not have a comprehension of the nuances of football. That's fine. But, there has been a fundamental shift in how top teams are constructing their rosters and their overall Football philosophy.

The Giants are constructing their roster way differently then other top teams. I'm not inventing theories myself, I'm just looking at what top teams in the league are doing and saying that's what the Giants should do.

Please enlighten me on the nuances I'm not seeing, I am eager to learn honestly. I played my entire life and coached for a long time but I am really ready to learn from you. Please let me know what nuances I don't grasp.



im am too. i want to know how the best teams are building that we arent
RE: BBI  
bw in dc : 1/9/2020 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14770736 BleedBlue said:
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right on time!

its gotten to the point where DG cant say ANYTHING without clowns on this board ripping him a new ass over nothing.

are you guys this miserable IRL?


I guess I could just ignore it as "that's just Dave being Dave".

But Gettleman is one of the three most important decision makers in the organization. And in front of a mic, he's very forthcoming. So there is always good material.

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AdamBrag : 1/9/2020 8:00 pm : link
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FFS here's what all of you miss with this. If if if you can't stop the run and run nothing else works. It's foundational, it's not the end all be all, but if you can't do those two things, you can't stack more on top. It's about the basics that you have to master first, it's not the ONLY thing you have to do. Why does everyone who thinks they are so much smarter than an NFL GM push out the same shit and pretend they have some advanced football knowledge?



I have no doubt you do not have a comprehension of the nuances of football. That's fine. But, there has been a fundamental shift in how top teams are constructing their rosters and their overall Football philosophy.

The Giants are constructing their roster way differently then other top teams. I'm not inventing theories myself, I'm just looking at what top teams in the league are doing and saying that's what the Giants should do.



I wasn't going to say this but since you are doubling down on this, I am positive you took this pretty much from PFT and an article they did earlier today about DG and his quote. You are presenting this as if it were your thoughts directly but, your defense of others rebutting you is to basically point out more from what you clearly read there.


Look at previous posts I've made. I've presented my own research on this topic in this forum.
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BleedBlue : 1/9/2020 8:01 pm : link
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FFS here's what all of you miss with this. If if if you can't stop the run and run nothing else works. It's foundational, it's not the end all be all, but if you can't do those two things, you can't stack more on top. It's about the basics that you have to master first, it's not the ONLY thing you have to do. Why does everyone who thinks they are so much smarter than an NFL GM push out the same shit and pretend they have some advanced football knowledge?



I have no doubt you do not have a comprehension of the nuances of football. That's fine. But, there has been a fundamental shift in how top teams are constructing their rosters and their overall Football philosophy.

The Giants are constructing their roster way differently then other top teams. I'm not inventing theories myself, I'm just looking at what top teams in the league are doing and saying that's what the Giants should do.



I wasn't going to say this but since you are doubling down on this, I am positive you took this pretty much from PFT and an article they did earlier today about DG and his quote. You are presenting this as if it were your thoughts directly but, your defense of others rebutting you is to basically point out more from what you clearly read there.



Look at previous posts I've made. I've presented my own research on this topic in this forum.



lol sure. can you just give us the quick version?
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M.S. : 1/9/2020 8:06 pm : link
In comment 14770668 AdamBrag said:
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This quote sums up some of the main problems with Gettleman:

"Q: Is there anywhere in particular you and Joe align in terms of your philosophies about team-building and how you want him to coach this team and all that stuff?

A: First of all, he has to coach the team the way he feels comfortable. The biggest thing was when he came in and said, ĎYou have to run the ball, you have to stop the run, and letís play special teams.í Thereís a toughness that you develop when you build your team to do those kinds of things. People say itís a passing league, I get that, but that graphic on Sunday afternoon should not have been lost on everybody. Top four passing teams were not in the playoffs, the top four rushing teams were in the playoffs. Donít quote me but most of the teams were in the top I think 12 in terms of rushing. Again, itís a physical, violent game and if you donít build your team to do that late in the year when the weatherís lousy and itís mush out there, the tougher team is going to win."

It shows he doesn't even understand the basics of analytics. Teams that are winning can run the ball more. Teams that are behind pass the ball more. That's why using pure rushing and passing stats is a major fallacy. There is no way he's meeting with a lot of people in analytics if he's pushing this nonsense.

It shows he's still building a team that is going to be designed around stopping the run. If you look at the best defensive teams in the NFL, their main focus is stopping the pass.

This discussion was the main thing he liked about Joe Judge! I interpret this to mean he's so stubborn about his outdated view he's going to double down on it.

There is of course a huge symmetry between effective running and effective passing, and it is very, very difficult to isolate the impact of one over the other when it comes to "winning football."

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Metnut : 1/9/2020 8:09 pm : link
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right on time!

its gotten to the point where DG cant say ANYTHING without clowns on this board ripping him a new ass over nothing.

are you guys this miserable IRL?



Hi Mrs. Gettleman!



trust youre closer to a female than me buddy.

Just because i dont shit on the GM every step of the way and cry like a bitch like you doesnt mean i love DG. Youre a met fan, i know youre used to being fucking miserable so it makes sense lol


Itís amazing how mad and nasty you get when people say anything negative about your precious Gettleman.

Lighten up man. Itís just football. Not everyone is going to agree with you. Otherwise, the board would be boring.
I mean, it's so much more...  
bw in dc : 1/9/2020 8:09 pm : link
than claiming that having the most rushing yards/game is a reliable benchmark.

8 of the top 12 QBs with the best YPA are in the playoffs. So there is a passing element that is critical to success too...
RE: The conclusions some of you guys jump to are un fucking real  
LS : 1/9/2020 8:11 pm : link
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Just twist the words to fit your pre conceived notions. Awesome


All day long, everyday day. Fucking tiresome to keep reading it.
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BleedBlue : 1/9/2020 8:16 pm : link
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right on time!

its gotten to the point where DG cant say ANYTHING without clowns on this board ripping him a new ass over nothing.

are you guys this miserable IRL?



Hi Mrs. Gettleman!



trust youre closer to a female than me buddy.

Just because i dont shit on the GM every step of the way and cry like a bitch like you doesnt mean i love DG. Youre a met fan, i know youre used to being fucking miserable so it makes sense lol



Itís amazing how mad and nasty you get when people say anything negative about your precious Gettleman.

Lighten up man. Itís just football. Not everyone is going to agree with you. Otherwise, the board would be boring.


not mad or nasty, just tired on EVERY post to hear DG sucks at this DG sucks at that. its tiresome. he has had TWO offseasons and two solid drafts...im ready to give him this offseason, if he sucks...he SHOULD be fired
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AdamBrag : 1/9/2020 8:21 pm : link
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Please enlighten me on the nuances I'm not seeing, I am eager to learn honestly. I played my entire life and coached for a long time but I am really ready to learn from you. Please let me know what nuances I don't grasp.


Gladly, but first, I want to apologize for being insulting. I'm not thrilled with still being at work right now, but that's no excuse and not how I like to act.

A lot of the top defenses, like San Francisco, Baltimore, and Buffalo have the lowest close game stacked box percentage in the league. They are designing their defense to give up a few yards rushing as long as they can stop the big play. Baltimore really focused on having an elite secondary and now they are able to have super creative blitzes because they can cover so well.

I agree, you can't have a horrible run defense or teams are just going to line up and run against you all day. You can't just be a sieve against the run. At lower levels of competition where the talent difference between teams is bigger, we see this all the time. However, I think the top NFL teams are realizing you can be average against the run and elite against the pass. Obviously, you want to be elite at both, but very, very few teams are able to do this. I think the Giants are trying to be elite against the run and average against the pass. That's where I think they are differing from other top teams in the league, if that makes sense.
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right on time!

its gotten to the point where DG cant say ANYTHING without clowns on this board ripping him a new ass over nothing.

are you guys this miserable IRL?



Hi Mrs. Gettleman!



trust youre closer to a female than me buddy.

Just because i dont shit on the GM every step of the way and cry like a bitch like you doesnt mean i love DG. Youre a met fan, i know youre used to being fucking miserable so it makes sense lol



Itís amazing how mad and nasty you get when people say anything negative about your precious Gettleman.

Lighten up man. Itís just football. Not everyone is going to agree with you. Otherwise, the board would be boring.



not mad or nasty, just tired on EVERY post to hear DG sucks at this DG sucks at that. its tiresome. he has had TWO offseasons and two solid drafts...im ready to give him this offseason, if he sucks...he SHOULD be fired


I hope he kills it this offseason and we kick ass next year, Iím sick of this stuff.

But when he gives an interview, itís fair game to call him out on stuff he says. Itís not like Iím going on 50 threads and ranting about Gettleman.

Iím exited about the hire. Hopefully the two of them work well together. Iím taking a break from this thread. Peace man.
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jvm52106 : 1/9/2020 8:22 pm : link
player acquisition and the draft by the TYPE of player we bring on- especially in FA and later rounds of the draft.

The Patriots have a history of bringing on very smart, gritty, multifaceted players in backup and or role areas. Guys that come to mind over the years:

C. Patterson
W. Welker
J. Edleman
R. Burkhead
D. Lewis
Troy Brown-going back a ways

and I think you will see us do that too.

BTW- Isiah Simmons might be a very good pick (trade down some) as a guy who is VERSATILE. He could play safety in our 3-4 or money backer, play coverage LB and who knows, maybe comes in on the goal line as a TE (ala G. Martin, M. Vrabel etc.).
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right on time!

its gotten to the point where DG cant say ANYTHING without clowns on this board ripping him a new ass over nothing.

are you guys this miserable IRL?



Hi Mrs. Gettleman!



trust youre closer to a female than me buddy.

Just because i dont shit on the GM every step of the way and cry like a bitch like you doesnt mean i love DG. Youre a met fan, i know youre used to being fucking miserable so it makes sense lol



Itís amazing how mad and nasty you get when people say anything negative about your precious Gettleman.

Lighten up man. Itís just football. Not everyone is going to agree with you. Otherwise, the board would be boring.



not mad or nasty, just tired on EVERY post to hear DG sucks at this DG sucks at that. its tiresome. he has had TWO offseasons and two solid drafts...im ready to give him this offseason, if he sucks...he SHOULD be fired



I hope he kills it this offseason and we kick ass next year, Iím sick of this stuff.

But when he gives an interview, itís fair game to call him out on stuff he says. Itís not like Iím going on 50 threads and ranting about Gettleman.

Iím exited about the hire. Hopefully the two of them work well together. Iím taking a break from this thread. Peace man.


my comment wasnt really directed at you. there are people on this board who do go on EVERY thread and bitch. i understand the hate and shit for him, i really do but i think part of that is because people arent realistic in time to fix wat reese laid out
To be clear  
AdamBrag : 1/9/2020 8:33 pm : link
I hate what Gettleman said, but I am VERY excited about a lot of what I heard from Judge at his presser today.
The concern is that if KeoweeFan came in and said:  
KeoweeFan : 1/9/2020 9:28 pm : link
You have to run the ball, you have to stop the run, and letís play special teams.í
would DG say, fantastic! Anyone else has to beat your interview!
That being said, I agree with both directions DG and JJ have articulated.
That graphic was a junk stat  
AcesUp : 1/9/2020 9:35 pm : link
Football knowledge or experience doesnít matter, by even citing that statistic it displays a fundamental ignorance in reading stats or data (ďanalyticsĒ). At the end of the day itís all about efficiency, thatís what these numbers are meant to educate you on. Everything will vary team by team, situation by situation. However, that stat is a junk stat because itís volume based that is heavily skewed by game flow. A GM of an NFL team should see beyond some 101 shit, thatís not a good quote Gettleman.
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Giants38 : 1/9/2020 9:49 pm : link
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Football knowledge or experience doesnít matter, by even citing that statistic it displays a fundamental ignorance in reading stats or data (ďanalyticsĒ). At the end of the day itís all about efficiency, thatís what these numbers are meant to educate you on. Everything will vary team by team, situation by situation. However, that stat is a junk stat because itís volume based that is heavily skewed by game flow. A GM of an NFL team should see beyond some 101 shit, thatís not a good quote Gettleman.


Well, Gettleman is not a good GM. So that is par for the course. Hopefully, Judge will insist on adding to the four computer folks that comprise our analytics department at this point.

In a salary cap league like the NFL, the Giants can gain an advantage by spending more than other teams on scouting, analytics, etc. When your franchise is worth $3.2 billion, there is not a stone that should be left unturned. Instead, it sounds like the Giants may own the fewest computers in the NFL, and the guys we have either refuse to or simply don't know how to use them. Truly remarkable.
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bw in dc : 1/9/2020 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14770894 AcesUp said:
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Football knowledge or experience doesnít matter, by even citing that statistic it displays a fundamental ignorance in reading stats or data (ďanalyticsĒ). At the end of the day itís all about efficiency, thatís what these numbers are meant to educate you on. Everything will vary team by team, situation by situation. However, that stat is a junk stat because itís volume based that is heavily skewed by game flow. A GM of an NFL team should see beyond some 101 shit, thatís not a good quote Gettleman.


I get criticized for dissecting these Gettleman comments, but they add up over time. And they form this pattern of guy who doesn't sound like he's evolving and is really glued to his old school core beliefs.

And I believe that clearly manifests itself in the team's record thus far under his watch.

Gettleman didnít really say anything ¬†
Bill L : 1/9/2020 10:04 pm : link
And he really didnít say anything that any other GM wouldnít say. It was generic GM-speak. You guys are just looking for something so that you do the usual ďlook at meĒ posts.
I'm..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/9/2020 10:14 pm : link
shocked to open this thread and find the majority of posters ripping Gettleman - and mainly for things he didn't even say.

Absolutely, fucking shocked.

It is almost like some of you fucknuts are doing a parody here daily.
RE: Gettleman didnít really say anything ¬†
AcesUp : 1/9/2020 10:24 pm : link
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And he really didnít say anything that any other GM wouldnít say. It was generic GM-speak. You guys are just looking for something so that you do the usual ďlook at meĒ posts.


Thatís nonsense. Unsolicited, heís defending his roster building philosophy using garbage surface level stats. Contrary to dissenting opinion, heís clearly aware of and using analytics. Heís doing it here. The problem Iím seeing is that itís obvious he doesnít understand them.
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bw in dc : 1/9/2020 10:34 pm : link
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And he really didnít say anything that any other GM wouldnít say. It was generic GM-speak. You guys are just looking for something so that you do the usual ďlook at meĒ posts.


Quick topic shift and question - who sends the Bat Signal on your side of the aisle? You? FMiC? Others?
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Giants38 : 1/9/2020 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14770938 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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shocked to open this thread and find the majority of posters ripping Gettleman - and mainly for things he didn't even say.

Absolutely, fucking shocked.

It is almost like some of you fucknuts are doing a parody here daily.


And I am equally shocked to see you defending him. But hey, I give you credit, it has to be hard to defend a 9-23 GM who flaunts his idiocy and ignorance to the media on a regular basis. Kudos.
Wait..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/9/2020 10:37 pm : link
pointing out that you sound like a fucking imbecile is me supporting him??

Exactly what did I say about Gettleman above?

Please elaborate - or are you just going to stick with calling him Shitbag?
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