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My key take-away from yesterday regarding Joe Judge

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2020 8:04 am
Other than his personality, these comments were made to the media AFTER the actual presser:

Q: We’ve had the opportunity to see your special teams play. What is your offensive philosophy? Do you have an offensive system that you’re going to bring definitely?
A: Again, I think every offensive system has to have levels of multiples that we have to be flexible with in both our personnel and our scheme to match up each opponent game by game. My overall philosophy is we have to be able to put pressure on opponents, and we have to do that with what we have available and what they don’t do well. So, that includes being versatile and multiple in what you do.

Q: Is that the same defensively?
A: It’s the same across the board. Listen, we’re going to play whatever is best for our team and our personnel. 3-4, 4-3, man coverage, zone coverage, we’ll find out what fits us best and we’ll wait until we play against our opponents. Running the ball, throwing the ball, it’s, again, whatever is best week by week by opponent is how we’ll address it.
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also  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2020 8:05 am : link
Q: Are you going to stick with 3-4?
A: Again, we’ll do whatever fits our personnel versus specific opponents better. 3-4, 4-3, man, zone, we’re going to look at the best path, and that could change week by week. So, we want to build in versatility with our players and be able to use multiples on all sides of the ball.
So, Joe Judge can't make up his mind about anything.  
Klaatu : 1/10/2020 8:07 am : link
We're doomed.
Those responses sound very much like what BB does...  
Marianne at PSU : 1/10/2020 8:07 am : link
and he's been successful with personnel that would probably go 3-13 here under Shurmur, McAdoo, etc.

I am excited about this hire, but feeling old that the new Giants head coach is 7 years younger than me. What have I accomplished in my life? :)
and from  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2020 8:07 am : link
the actual formal presser:

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Our philosophy is going to be to put pressure on the opponent to prepare for multiple things. Within that, we have to have personnel versatility and we have to have flexibility schematically to make sure that whoever we play, we can adjust our game plan to maximize our strengths versus their weaknesses. So, while there may be some games that we throw the ball 50 times, there’s going to be other times we may throw it 10 times and run the ball 45 times.
Getting the most out of the players you have  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/10/2020 8:07 am : link
Novel concept. About time.

Hopefully no more talk of..."our D will be better next yr when we can get a LB and S etc etc... to fit our system."

Kind of like golfing. You play with what swing you have that day. If your slicing the ball that day, play the slice.

It'd be nice not to hear excuses all year is what I'm saying.

That caught my ear too...  
EricJ : 1/10/2020 8:07 am : link
love the idea of NOT forcing our playbook into every game and having the flexibility to adapt to the opponent and personnel
He sure likes to use  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/10/2020 8:08 am : link
the word "again".
Finally  
jvm52106 : 1/10/2020 8:08 am : link
assemble a team of multi talented players and change the scheme to fit the moment.

As I mentioned in another thread now we watch the players we bring in. Do not be surprised to see a Running, Option QB brought in as a hybrid WR/RB etc., watch for LB'ers that can play in various roles (Simmons becomes way more possible with his ability to play safety, LB Rush the Passer) and our Olinemen will be more technique based than pure athletic ability.
RE: also  
Red_White_and_Big_Blue : 1/10/2020 8:09 am : link
In comment 14771174 Eric from BBI said:
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Q: Are you going to stick with 3-4?
A: Again, we’ll do whatever fits our personnel versus specific opponents better. 3-4, 4-3, man, zone, we’re going to look at the best path, and that could change week by week. So, we want to build in versatility with our players and be able to use multiples on all sides of the ball.


Yes those are strong answers. The philosophy is there now the question will be him proving his leadership and having a staff with the ability to execute it.
I love this philosophy/approach.  
Russ in Queens, NYC : 1/10/2020 8:09 am : link
Just love it. It puts me in mind of something I read years ago about Don Shula's ability to alter his scheme based on the personnel he had at hand, going from a pound-the-rock game with Csonka to airing it out with Marino and the Marks Brothers.
I hope this guy is the goods  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/10/2020 8:10 am : link
he talks good
I saw that  
UberAlias : 1/10/2020 8:12 am : link
That’s exactly how they do it in NE. They system is defined by strengths of personnel and whatever the game plan calls for on given day.
...  
christian : 1/10/2020 8:13 am : link
The talent, on-field intelligence, and maturity of this team will need to dramatically improve to realize that type of philosophy.

The Giants looked silly bad with assignment and simple execution errors.

It's not like Bettcher and Shurmur drew up Bethea and Baker pointing fingers at each other or Barkley not paying attention to pass rushers.

Judge will soon learn your options are only as broad as the players who are executing them.
He’s good to go...  
trueblueinpw : 1/10/2020 8:14 am : link
He was prepared. Hey, that’s not as easy as it should be. Think about McAdoo’s too big suit. When I interview candidates I look for preparedness, do they know about the position, the mission of the team, etc. I try to rattle them, I look for poise and character and, yeah I want to know they have the experience to get the job done. This guy had it all. And he had presence. That’s all very important to this position.

I love his statements about how to teach the players. I love the statements about fitting the game plan to the situation. All of it, I loved all of it and I love this guy. There was a lot of pressure yesterday and he delivered. Just gotta keep doing that for the next decade.

He needs to win some football games. This team should be 8-8 next year. That’s not too much to ask. Let’s go coach Joe! Let’s go Big Blue!
Living in Boston  
Giantimistic : 1/10/2020 8:16 am : link
And seeing a lot of the Patriots, this is what I am most excited for. I
OK  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/10/2020 8:17 am : link
and alright
RE: He’s good to go...  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/10/2020 8:20 am : link
In comment 14771201 trueblueinpw said:
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He was prepared. Hey, that’s not as easy as it should be. Think about McAdoo’s too big suit. When I interview candidates I look for preparedness, do they know about the position, the mission of the team, etc. I try to rattle them, I look for poise and character and, yeah I want to know they have the experience to get the job done. This guy had it all. And he had presence. That’s all very important to this position.

I love his statements about how to teach the players. I love the statements about fitting the game plan to the situation. All of it, I loved all of it and I love this guy. There was a lot of pressure yesterday and he delivered. Just gotta keep doing that for the next decade.

He needs to win some football games. This team should be 8-8 next year. That’s not too much to ask. Let’s go coach Joe! Let’s go Big Blue!


McAdoo thanked his in-laws....by name ....WTF?

Talk about "filler" who gives a shit about your freakin in-laws, dude?
Very Pats like philosophy  
stoneman : 1/10/2020 8:24 am : link
I will assume that his offense does not de-emphasize the RB position like they do in NE, as he now has a true stud at RB. They emphasized their studs Gronk and Edleman, now it Barkley. They will need someone at WR/TE to move into this slot (don't count Jeudy out at 4-ish).
I liked his presser yesterday - but this is an odd part to  
jcn56 : 1/10/2020 8:24 am : link
latch on to. He really didn't say anything.

And really, would you expect him to say much at this point? He has a lot of work to do before he can start making decisions, and making definitive statements in an introductory presser is the kind of thing that can come back and haunt you later when it gets cut and pasted and thrown back in your face repeatedly.

I liked his comments about how he plans to treat his staff - he cares about their development and their health, both as professionals and as people. He wants to focus on being an educator, on teaching them the right things to do.

That's a lot better than 'stop the run, run the ball, rush the passer'.
I think he's really going to be tough on his staff  
Stu11 : 1/10/2020 8:28 am : link
he's gonna expect a lot. I think that feeds into what he told Evan and Bro about not hiring Kitchens because he's a friend.
123... Old School - drink  
GiantsUA : 1/10/2020 8:29 am : link
Old school - drink

RE: I liked his presser yesterday - but this is an odd part to  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2020 8:31 am : link
In comment 14771224 jcn56 said:
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latch on to. He really didn't say anything.

And really, would you expect him to say much at this point? He has a lot of work to do before he can start making decisions, and making definitive statements in an introductory presser is the kind of thing that can come back and haunt you later when it gets cut and pasted and thrown back in your face repeatedly.

I liked his comments about how he plans to treat his staff - he cares about their development and their health, both as professionals and as people. He wants to focus on being an educator, on teaching them the right things to do.

That's a lot better than 'stop the run, run the ball, rush the passer'.


He also did not mention ONE player by name. None. That's hard to do.
RE: Very Pats like philosophy  
ATL_Giants : 1/10/2020 8:36 am : link
In comment 14771223 stoneman said:
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I will assume that his offense does not de-emphasize the RB position like they do in NE, as he now has a true stud at RB. They emphasized their studs Gronk and Edleman, now it Barkley. They will need someone at WR/TE to move into this slot (don't count Jeudy out at 4-ish).

agreed
To me the most important thing he said  
section125 : 1/10/2020 8:36 am : link
had to do with personnel. Seeing what a player can do vs the thinking of what he cannot do.
How many times have we seen players leave the Giants in disgrace, go to another team and succeed. Happens all to often. Look at the OL guys that were ineffective in NY, get released and do well on another team - Flowers(now), Fluker, Newhouse...not great but serviceable. How come Solder was league average in NE and awful here? How come Kevin Zeitler was rated a top 5 guard in the league and was mediocre last year. Hernandez was a top 3 guard in the draft and has not progressed. Sy point out is flaw and has pointed out several times that it still pops up during games. Why has that not been fixed? He is a human road grader that loves to destroy people. Why has he stalled and why does he have trouble with stunts? Poor coaching.

I have looked at other teams rosters and scratched my head.

Judge said the Giants have players on the roster to compete. I believe him. How can you have a player like Barkley and forget to use him. Same can be said for Engram - a player that everyone knows is a match up nightmare for LBs and Safeties. Yes he gets injuries, but we have seen what he can do.

How can Baker win the Thorpe Trophy and look so bad in the NFL? He was considered the best CB in the draft, you may argue, but no doubt top 3.

I think what Judge said about coaching up players is exactly what is missing. How many times per game did the secondary get confused and release a player on 3rd and long. Why is that? It is bad coaching.

We all know that BB can swap rosters with most coaches and still beat them. Why is that? BB sees what his players can do well. He puts them in position to win using the players strengths. This is what I think Joe Judge will do. He will hire coaches that can get through to their players so the player understands what they are supposed to do and then let their natural ability take over.

I like him so far.  
GiantsUA : 1/10/2020 8:37 am : link
Chooses words carefully, team first, seems to care about the individual but everyone must put ego aside to achieve team goal.


Seems like they picked a good one.
RE: RE: I liked his presser yesterday - but this is an odd part to  
Giantimistic : 1/10/2020 8:39 am : link
In comment 14771239 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14771224 jcn56 said:


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latch on to. He really didn't say anything.

And really, would you expect him to say much at this point? He has a lot of work to do before he can start making decisions, and making definitive statements in an introductory presser is the kind of thing that can come back and haunt you later when it gets cut and pasted and thrown back in your face repeatedly.

I liked his comments about how he plans to treat his staff - he cares about their development and their health, both as professionals and as people. He wants to focus on being an educator, on teaching them the right things to do.

That's a lot better than 'stop the run, run the ball, rush the passer'.



He also did not mention ONE player by name. None. That's hard to do.


Very Belicheck of him but it does not seem like an act. I think a lot of coaches that left Belicheck failed as HC because they tried to be like him and his personality. There is something that just seems different about Judge. I could be wrong, but all in for now.
For the first time in a while.......  
Jints in Carolina : 1/10/2020 8:40 am : link
What I got out of what he said  
5BowlsSoon : 1/10/2020 8:41 am : link
This is just one scenario I’m using.....

If it is shown in practice that BAKER can’t be trusted in zone coverage but excels in man press, then I think he may not be put into the situation of possibly failing because he just isn’t smart enough to figure out how to rotate his coverage and cover an area. So, they either use Baker just to be in man press or they take him out if they want to be in zone coverage for that play.
section125  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2020 8:42 am : link
Ulysses S. Grant: "Quit thinking about what Bobby Lee's gonna do to us and start thinking about what we're going to do to him."
RE: section125  
Jints in Carolina : 1/10/2020 8:43 am : link
In comment 14771282 Eric from BBI said:
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Ulysses S. Grant: "Quit thinking about what Bobby Lee's gonna do to us and start thinking about what we're going to do to him."




RE: For the first time in a while.......  
figgy2989 : 1/10/2020 8:45 am : link
In comment 14771273 Jints in Carolina said:
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Jints, exactly. Since a new HC presser has become an every other year thing around here, I can honestly say that I don't remember much from the McAdoo presser (aside from the suit) or Shurmur's. I can say for certain, I will remember this one.
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HoustonGiant : 1/10/2020 8:46 am : link
In comment 14771239 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14771224 jcn56 said:


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latch on to. He really didn't say anything.

And really, would you expect him to say much at this point? He has a lot of work to do before he can start making decisions, and making definitive statements in an introductory presser is the kind of thing that can come back and haunt you later when it gets cut and pasted and thrown back in your face repeatedly.

I liked his comments about how he plans to treat his staff - he cares about their development and their health, both as professionals and as people. He wants to focus on being an educator, on teaching them the right things to do.

That's a lot better than 'stop the run, run the ball, rush the passer'.



He also did not mention ONE player by name. None. That's hard to do.


I think he said a ton. It's 2020 in the NFL and the game is much different today. It's evolving, especially on offense. These guys are pros and should be able to play in any system. Fundamentals are the key, the rest is details.

Our DL, in a 4-3, would be brutal. The biggest thing BB does to beat teams is confuse them. You can watch film against one team and they do something totally different to you.

I'm excited.
One more thing that O/D versatallity adds  
stoneman : 1/10/2020 8:52 am : link
you can make half time adjustments without drawing anything new up in the lockeroom. Will be interesting this year to see if half-time adjustments are made and if so, are effective.
RE: ...  
UConn4523 : 1/10/2020 8:55 am : link
In comment 14771198 christian said:
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The talent, on-field intelligence, and maturity of this team will need to dramatically improve to realize that type of philosophy.

The Giants looked silly bad with assignment and simple execution errors.

It's not like Bettcher and Shurmur drew up Bethea and Baker pointing fingers at each other or Barkley not paying attention to pass rushers.

Judge will soon learn your options are only as broad as the players who are executing them.


Sounds to me like he understands your last point and that he's ok with that, and he will do everything he can to make it work that particular week.
If BB is Lil Bill, JJ could be Bill the 3rd, with a splash of TC ...  
Spider56 : 1/10/2020 8:55 am : link
The key to his success is going to be his staff ... he’ll be on a learning curve as a HC and he needs to find coaches that are fully aligned with his philosophy.
What he is saying makes perfect sense even to a layman like me  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/10/2020 8:57 am : link
but executing that is EXTREMELY difficult.

That's a ton of teaching.

The more flexibility you have, the more scheme diverse, the more players must be open and learning.

Some of that is how you teach, some is accountability.

We have seen this team constantly blow assignments so I think some fundamental changes have to be made in all these areas.

This is a herculean task and as Judge says, it starts one day at a time.
RE: section125  
section125 : 1/10/2020 9:01 am : link
In comment 14771282 Eric from BBI said:
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Ulysses S. Grant: "Quit thinking about what Bobby Lee's gonna do to us and start thinking about what we're going to do to him."


Going back to Lombardi - you knew the sweep was coming. You could not stop it.

Today with BB and TB - You know Brady is going to find Edelmann on 3rd down - you cannot stop it.

Jones to Barkley or Shepard?????
those comments stood out to me too  
giants#1 : 1/10/2020 9:10 am : link
That and tailoring plays/schemes to the players strengths instead of asking them to do things they aren't good at. If he's true to this and gets a good offensive mind, two players that will be interesting to watch are Barkley and Engram.

With Engram - find ways to create mismatches with him either using his size against a CB or his speed against LBs and don't expect him to seal the edge by blocking a DL.

Barkley - I think we'll see games where he gets 8 carries with 15 targets in the passing game and other games where he finishes with 25-30 carries. If they can use Barkley the way BB used Lewis/White/etc in the passing game, the offense could really be explosive.

This  
David B. : 1/10/2020 9:15 am : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8:07 am : link : reply
the actual formal presser:

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Our philosophy is going to be to put pressure on the opponent to prepare for multiple things. Within that, we have to have personnel versatility and we have to have flexibility schematically to make sure that whoever we play, we can adjust our game plan to maximize our strengths versus their weaknesses. So, while there may be some games that we throw the ball 50 times, there’s going to be other times we may throw it 10 times and run the ball 45 times.


This is the way the Belichick and Pats do it. Would be great if it eventually works here, too.
This philosophy is why  
Rudy5757 : 1/10/2020 9:16 am : link
NE has has a lot of success with FAs that are castoffs from other teams. The players have talent but in NE they are put in positions to succeed instead of being asked to come in and fill an open spot. Notice that a lot of FAs from NE fail in other places, because no one is covering up their warts.

I think DJ will look a lot better next season. We are going to see him doing the things he's best at from what judge is saying.

Its a difficult task and wont happen overnight. I expect that the coaches we bring in will have a ton of work tasked to them from reading articles on people that have worked for him. This team will not be unprepared.
The comments that really stuck with me were  
HMunster : 1/10/2020 9:19 am : link
centered around coming in to work hard every single day.

Someone mentioned it in another thread, but it's that Coach Boone (Remember the Titans) vibe.

Call it culture if you want, but I want a HC who's going to demand effort and hard work. I think JJ is going to demand his players eat, sleep and breathe football. If you're not in the classroom then you're studying the playbook, or you're watching film, or running drills, or in the weight room, etc.

That kind of attitude, if implemented in a healthy way, can really pay dividends on the field.
Watched the press conference video last evening  
Jimmy Googs : 1/10/2020 9:19 am : link
and told my kids to watch it because it was a great example of how to give a speech...
RE: He sure likes to use  
MotownGIANTS : 1/10/2020 9:20 am : link
In comment 14771183 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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the word "again".



Well when you get he same question multiple times with a slight twist ... it forces you to repeat yourself
RE: section125  
M.S. : 1/10/2020 9:23 am : link
In comment 14771282 Eric from BBI said:
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Ulysses S. Grant: "Quit thinking about what Bobby Lee's gonna do to us and start thinking about what we're going to do to him."


"Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what are we going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do"
Flexibility  
Jay in Toronto : 1/10/2020 9:24 am : link
Is how I code this.

And I said yesterday this reminds me of one of Parcells' strengths at the individual level: knowing what (different) buttons to push for each player. Judge takes that flexibility further in stressing flexibility in individual player's learning style.

Interesting that he is perusing a PhD in education.

Loved his response to what he learned as a kindergarten PE teacher 😊
RE: What he is saying makes perfect sense even to a layman like me  
Greg from LI : 1/10/2020 9:27 am : link
In comment 14771327 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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but executing that is EXTREMELY difficult.

That's a ton of teaching.

The more flexibility you have, the more scheme diverse, the more players must be open and learning.

Some of that is how you teach, some is accountability.

We have seen this team constantly blow assignments so I think some fundamental changes have to be made in all these areas.

This is a herculean task and as Judge says, it starts one day at a time.


Yep. If it were easy, all teams would do it. It's not. I like that he's willing to try, or at least he says he is.
Well  
Johnny5 : 1/10/2020 9:28 am : link
Hard not to get pretty excited about what he's saying. I'm warming up... lol
RE: RE: section125  
section125 : 1/10/2020 9:47 am : link
In comment 14771408 M.S. said:
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In comment 14771282 Eric from BBI said:


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Ulysses S. Grant: "Quit thinking about what Bobby Lee's gonna do to us and start thinking about what we're going to do to him."



"Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what are we going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do"


If anyone has not read Grant's Memoirs and are fascinated by the Civil War, do yourself a favor and read it. It will change your beliefs about Grant. He may not have been the tactician Robert E Lee was, but then again maybe he was. Let's remember, Lee was 58 years old and had been in the Army 36 years at the start of the war. He was Chief of Staff with Winfield Scott. Grant was out of the Army in 10 years after West Point and out of the Army 8 years before the Governor of Illinois hired him to train the various Illinois Regiments being deployed to the Union. He only gained command because a Colonel of one regiment became ill and The Governor appointed Grant Colonel of that Regiment (I think the 25th Illinois).
Grant was 41/42 years old at the time of his return commision. Within a year he was a General and actually was the first(IIRC) to coordinate with the Navy to gain tactical advantage in the field and that is how he won the West - capturing Vicksburg on July 4th 1863 - the day after Gettysburg.
Exemplifies Benefits of Not Hiring as HC an OC or DC  
clatterbuck : 1/10/2020 9:49 am : link
determined to impose HIS system or boost his brand. This kid (he's younger than my youngest so I can call him kid) reminds me of Tomlin in how and what he stressed. This was a very un-Giant-like hire. I don't doubt they really liked Rhule but they also were ready to roll with Judge and seem very comfortable with the decision. I think Judge may be around for awhile.
I think his answers were absolutely spot on.  
Crispino : 1/10/2020 9:56 am : link
Here’s my philosophy. Now I have to assess the talent at my disposal to see how I’ll be able to implement my philosophy. Here’s my opponent. Now I have to see how the talent is best used to attack that opponent.

No promises, no declarations, because he’s at square one. But I like the idea that there will be a process and that it will evolve. That’s pure Saban/Belichick. The guy gives me hope.
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