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My key take-away from yesterday regarding Joe Judge

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2020 8:04 am
Other than his personality, these comments were made to the media AFTER the actual presser:

Q: We’ve had the opportunity to see your special teams play. What is your offensive philosophy? Do you have an offensive system that you’re going to bring definitely?
A: Again, I think every offensive system has to have levels of multiples that we have to be flexible with in both our personnel and our scheme to match up each opponent game by game. My overall philosophy is we have to be able to put pressure on opponents, and we have to do that with what we have available and what they don’t do well. So, that includes being versatile and multiple in what you do.

Q: Is that the same defensively?
A: It’s the same across the board. Listen, we’re going to play whatever is best for our team and our personnel. 3-4, 4-3, man coverage, zone coverage, we’ll find out what fits us best and we’ll wait until we play against our opponents. Running the ball, throwing the ball, it’s, again, whatever is best week by week by opponent is how we’ll address it.
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RE: RE: RE: section125  
an_idol_mind : 1/10/2020 9:59 am : link
In comment 14771458 section125 said:
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In comment 14771408 M.S. said:


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In comment 14771282 Eric from BBI said:


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Ulysses S. Grant: "Quit thinking about what Bobby Lee's gonna do to us and start thinking about what we're going to do to him."



"Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what are we going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do"



If anyone has not read Grant's Memoirs and are fascinated by the Civil War, do yourself a favor and read it. It will change your beliefs about Grant. He may not have been the tactician Robert E Lee was, but then again maybe he was. Let's remember, Lee was 58 years old and had been in the Army 36 years at the start of the war. He was Chief of Staff with Winfield Scott. Grant was out of the Army in 10 years after West Point and out of the Army 8 years before the Governor of Illinois hired him to train the various Illinois Regiments being deployed to the Union. He only gained command because a Colonel of one regiment became ill and The Governor appointed Grant Colonel of that Regiment (I think the 25th Illinois).
Grant was 41/42 years old at the time of his return commision. Within a year he was a General and actually was the first(IIRC) to coordinate with the Navy to gain tactical advantage in the field and that is how he won the West - capturing Vicksburg on July 4th 1863 - the day after Gettysburg.


Grant's memoirs are great, as is Ron Chernow's biography of him.

Without delving too much into it, there was a lot of post-Civil War political BS that got Grant tagged with a negative reputation that history is gradually shaking off.
I liked this  
Reale01 : 1/10/2020 10:30 am : link
What I learned from Coach Belichick was real simple—be flexible within your personnel. Don’t try to shove round pegs into square holes. Figure out what you have. Let them play to their strengths. Don’t sit in a meeting and tell me what you don’t have in a player. Don’t tell me they can’t do certain things, tell me what they can do and then we’ll figure out as coaches, because that’s our job, how we can use that. That’s our responsibility. Everybody has something they can do.

Tired of coaches saying that "we need to improve our ececution" week after week.
I watched it three times last night  
Dave : 1/10/2020 10:34 am : link
and still have goose bumps

love what I'm hearing from JJ
RE: Very Pats like philosophy  
Platos : 1/10/2020 10:34 am : link
In comment 14771223 stoneman said:
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I will assume that his offense does not de-emphasize the RB position like they do in NE, as he now has a true stud at RB. They emphasized their studs Gronk and Edleman, now it Barkley. They will need someone at WR/TE to move into this slot (don't count Jeudy out at 4-ish).


i think it would utilize more than just barkely. Pats use multiple RBs. Sony Michel was a disappointment this year but there were issues with the line and i believe he wasn't 100% heatlhy. he's also not barkely...
As well as the following  
Reale01 : 1/10/2020 10:39 am : link
I expect our coaches to know who’s up to speed on what. Don’t tell me you taught the whole room and one guy screwed it up. I want to know what you did to hit that guy. You figure out what he’s a little behind on and you make up the difference. Figure it out, that’s your job.

We heard this all year. "We are doing a lot of good things, but keep making mistakes that cost us."

There was an appalling lack of discipline throughout the defense as well as the offensive line.

Defense
Gap discipline
Rush lanes
Proper leverage
Tackling
Blown coverages

Offense Line
Blitz pick-ups
Adjusting to stunts
Assignments
Leverage
Technique



RE: I hope this guy is the goods  
bradshaw44 : 1/10/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 14771190 gidiefor said:
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he talks good


This.
RE: Watched the press conference video last evening  
ArizonaBlue : 1/10/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 14771401 Jimmy Googs said:
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and told my kids to watch it because it was a great example of how to give a speech...


That's a great idea. I may have my son watch it on sunday
an_idol_mind & section125  
M.S. : 1/10/2020 11:00 am : link

Both of you probably know this...

...One thing that Grant was always recognized for -- even when Robert E. Lee enjoyed a much better reputation -- was the amazing clarity and logic of his writing style. His ability to translate his thoughts onto paper with little if any edits illustrates the brilliance of the man. And when he was in a race for his life, he forged on heroically with his memoirs until the very end.

And as an aside, what always resonated with me was that Grant was a wonderful husband and father, and that his drinking was in no small way related to how much he missed his wife while stationed out West away from home.

What I really liked  
TrueBlue56 : 1/10/2020 11:02 am : link
Was what he said to joe and evan on wfan.

(I'm paraphrasing a bit)
Q: you are going to be a guy that is going to run the whole show and not going to be a guy that just runs the defense or offense.

Joe judge: I want to be the head football coach of the team. I don't want to be the head offensive or defensive coach. If all you are worrying about is game planning or calling plays on one side of the ball, then you are going to lose the pulse of the team. You are not going to be able to walk the building and spend time with your players, get to know the trainers and equipment guys to find out what is really moving throughout your building. You have to have a beat on your players. You have to know what pushes the players, know what phase they are in and if you need to push harder or pull back accordingly. You have to know the team as a head coach.

What a tremendous answer and I'm glad that we will have a coach that will have more awareness as to what is going on in a game, but awareness what all of the units are doing through the course of the week. Being involved everywhere.
Be water, my friend  
RC in MD : 1/10/2020 11:04 am : link
In the wise words of my uncle...


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RE: What I got out of what he said  
Eman11 : 1/10/2020 11:06 am : link
In comment 14771278 5BowlsSoon said:
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This is just one scenario I’m using.....

If it is shown in practice that BAKER can’t be trusted in zone coverage but excels in man press, then I think he may not be put into the situation of possibly failing because he just isn’t smart enough to figure out how to rotate his coverage and cover an area. So, they either use Baker just to be in man press or they take him out if they want to be in zone coverage for that play.


I don't see that as a viable option as they'll be telegraphing exactly what they're doing on D that play.

I think it's more likely if they see he has trouble in zone coverage they'll teach how how to be better at it, and explain fully how the concepts work, why they work and are needed to succeed.
RE: To me the most important thing he said  
islander1 : 1/10/2020 11:10 am : link
In comment 14771259 section125 said:
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had to do with personnel. Seeing what a player can do vs the thinking of what he cannot do.
How many times have we seen players leave the Giants in disgrace, go to another team and succeed. Happens all to often. Look at the OL guys that were ineffective in NY, get released and do well on another team - Flowers(now), Fluker, Newhouse...not great but serviceable. How come Solder was league average in NE and awful here? How come Kevin Zeitler was rated a top 5 guard in the league and was mediocre last year. Hernandez was a top 3 guard in the draft and has not progressed. Sy point out is flaw and has pointed out several times that it still pops up during games. Why has that not been fixed? He is a human road grader that loves to destroy people. Why has he stalled and why does he have trouble with stunts? Poor coaching.

I have looked at other teams rosters and scratched my head.

Judge said the Giants have players on the roster to compete. I believe him. How can you have a player like Barkley and forget to use him. Same can be said for Engram - a player that everyone knows is a match up nightmare for LBs and Safeties. Yes he gets injuries, but we have seen what he can do.

How can Baker win the Thorpe Trophy and look so bad in the NFL? He was considered the best CB in the draft, you may argue, but no doubt top 3.

I think what Judge said about coaching up players is exactly what is missing. How many times per game did the secondary get confused and release a player on 3rd and long. Why is that? It is bad coaching.

We all know that BB can swap rosters with most coaches and still beat them. Why is that? BB sees what his players can do well. He puts them in position to win using the players strengths. This is what I think Joe Judge will do. He will hire coaches that can get through to their players so the player understands what they are supposed to do and then let their natural ability take over.


It's like you read my mind...
Versatility in scheme  
ChicagoMarty : 1/10/2020 11:32 am : link
sounds great in theory.

But the reality is that such an emphasis requires knowledgeable players well versed in every scheme and contingency.

The Giants are a very young team. They exhibited numerous mental errors in this past season in terms of blown coverages and assignments n what were pretty basic schemes that every team runs.

The onus is going to be on the coaching staff to coach our young players up. That will require smart energetic communicative coaches and players receptive to being coached and willing to put the time in to learn the concepts

It will also likely require more reps than allowable under the current bargaining contract.

So where is Judge going to find the time to put in play all the Roll Tide drills he was talking about?

If he is really serious about scheme versatility then we may well see an influx of vet FA's because that is the fastest way to implement scheme versatility in the current limited practice NFL environment
Information will be like pulling teeth  
VinegarPeppers : 1/10/2020 11:50 am : link
That will NOT be good for the media or post-game pressers or even if the Giants re-start the Monday coaches shows.

It's great for the team but awful for the really passionate fans that are hungry for information and reactions and such.

I'll take wins over great-pressers.
RE: Information will be like pulling teeth  
VinegarPeppers : 1/10/2020 11:51 am : link
Monday coaches show with WFAN that is. Francesa, whomever.

In comment 14771749 VinegarPeppers said:
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That will NOT be good for the media or post-game pressers or even if the Giants re-start the Monday coaches shows.

It's great for the team but awful for the really passionate fans that are hungry for information and reactions and such.

I'll take wins over great-pressers.
Judge had a good day...  
bw in dc : 1/10/2020 12:04 pm : link
and sounded the part.

And while he sounded Belichickian, that's real catnip for this beaten down fan base, BB has forgotten more football than Judge knows at this point. So I just hope Judge can implement most of his ideas and with the right staff. That's critical.
With the current NFL practice  
Bubba : 1/10/2020 12:17 pm : link
schedules etc. I just hope he has the time to do all the teaching he refers to. Not sure how the CBA reads but might need to bring in some veteran players to help during off hours. If that is even allowed. Still a very young team to deal with.
The good thing  
TrueBlue56 : 1/10/2020 12:36 pm : link
Is that as a new head coach, the giants will be afforded extra offseason practice time.
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