Glazer on Judge:

to hear from Glazer who is legit tied in to the entire league.

Thanks for sharing.

is the most connected guy in sports.

For instance, in the MMA community, he has every big fighter's personal cell.

He's also a straight-shooter, and doesn't use his info to fuck athletes over.

his comments are very encouraging.

but do we consider Glazer an unbiased source, when he's basically the unofficial mouthpiece of the Giants?

I like the hire, and thought the guy had an interesting background from the second they added him to the interview list, but for a guy who was known to be so phenomenal, it's weird that you didn't hear more about him when he was listed as a candidate.

but if he is that well thought of I'm wondering why he didn't get more attention for vacancies this year.

In comment 14771826 jcn56 said:

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but do we consider Glazer an unbiased source, when he's basically the unofficial mouthpiece of the Giants? I like the hire, and thought the guy had an interesting background from the second they added him to the interview list, but for a guy who was known to be so phenomenal, it's weird that you didn't hear more about him when he was listed as a candidate.

Off course. Anybody with something positive to say about the Giants is an unbiased source. Anybody in the media with something bad to say has an agenda and is conspiring against the Giants for their own personal gain.

In comment 14771826 jcn56 said:

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but do we consider Glazer an unbiased source, when he's basically the unofficial mouthpiece of the Giants? I like the hire, and thought the guy had an interesting background from the second they added him to the interview list, but for a guy who was known to be so phenomenal, it's weird that you didn't hear more about him when he was listed as a candidate.

Huh? I believe you’re thinking of Paul Dottino or another Giants’ employee.

In comment 14771830 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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but if he is that well thought of I'm wondering why he didn't get more attention for vacancies this year.

This is just a guess. Belichick groomed him this year by giving him a second job. Wide receiver coach. He needed that experience.

anything Glazer has been pretty critical of the Giants. He even basically called them liars when they claimed Shurmur had 50% personnel say.

as being an unofficial mouthpiece of the Giants.

He’s usually right, so his opinion means more to me whether it’s positive or negative. No reason not to get excited hearing what he’s saying about Judge.

In comment 14771830 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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but if he is that well thought of I'm wondering why he didn't get more attention for vacancies this year.

The thing about a lot of fraternities is it’s often hard to get an offer to pledge.

Good info and nice to hear.

he said it yesterday. There’s only 32 jobs and not all of them are good.

Sounds like a guy who wouldn’t ever consider leaving NE for a place like Cleveland or Oakland.

Coaches get much interest in general. Think of the coaching candidates in the past couple of years, has there been any special teams coordinators even interviewed anywhere? I think that is why there is little known about judge until now outside of league circles.

How many teams interviewed Harbaugh before Baltimore signed him?

The ironic thing is that the ravens wanted Jason garrett and offered him a contract before going to harbaugh. Jerry Jones offered Garrett more money to stay with dallas

In comment 14771826 jcn56 said:

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but do we consider Glazer an unbiased source, when he's basically the unofficial mouthpiece of the Giants? I like the hire, and thought the guy had an interesting background from the second they added him to the interview list, but for a guy who was known to be so phenomenal, it's weird that you didn't hear more about him when he was listed as a candidate.

I certainly don't consider him that. And I would imagine the Giants don't consider him that either...

Mara even said that if you asked him a week ago, he would have called Judge a longshot.

He got on the interview list because Gettleman et al kept hearing his name come up among other coaches.

It's not surprising that he was off the media's radar, because few people consider the role of the special teams coordinator. It's very comforting that his name has come up in coaching circles and that he walked into the Giants as an unknown and wowed them enough to become the top candidate.

About something, a. k. a. : Giants can’t get the best coaches because of Gettleman: it can color your opinion of the coach they finally select

Hopefully we struck gold.

beat writers when he covered the Giants

but I was always under the impression that Glazer's "breakthrough" came because Strahan was feeding him information. If true, he took that and ran with it, getting more player and team sources and finally getting a national gig.

The publication polled a bunch of ten-year NFL vets, FO GMs, Scouts, and Agents on the hires by NFC East Teams + Rivera. This was the result

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THE TALLY Counting a first-place as four points, second equals three and so on … 1. McCarthy 86 total points (3.18 per ballot average) 2. Rivera 83.5 (3.09) 3. Rhule 59 (2.18) 4. Judge 41.5. (1.54)

Judge came in last because, as you would expect, many of the respondents across the board in each category adjudged that JJ: was the least known name, lack of familiarity with his work, had 'risen too fast' from role as ST Co-ord, etc.

and show me Jay Glazer's comments when the Giants hired McAdoo and Shurmur and once I see those I'll have an opinion about these comments.

Otherwise, whatever, people say stuff.

I'd rather it be positive than negative, but I don't give it much weight.

and wrote "off the radar" when he meant "off the charts" or "off the hook."

Off the radar did apply to Judge of course, but that's not what he meant when he misused the phrase.

But I was told Judge is a nobody and the GIants were racist for hiring this white inknown WR coach.

In comment 14771912 pjcas18 said:

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and show me Jay Glazer's comments when the Giants hired McAdoo and Shurmur and once I see those I'll have an opinion about these comments. Otherwise, whatever, people say stuff. I'd rather it be positive than negative, but I don't give it much weight.

Does that mean his information is incorrect or that the results stunk? Big difference.

Now I don't expect to hear anything negative so whatever he heard or said about Shurmur was likely legit, it just didn't workout.

In comment 14771826 jcn56 said:

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but do we consider Glazer an unbiased source, when he's basically the unofficial mouthpiece of the Giants? I like the hire, and thought the guy had an interesting background from the second they added him to the interview list, but for a guy who was known to be so phenomenal, it's weird that you didn't hear more about him when he was listed as a candidate.

Glazer isn't a mouthpiece for the Giants. Glazer has lit up Gettleman on more than on occasion. He's reported that Gettleman isn't well thought of around the league and he heard buzz that a lot of coaches wouldn't want to work with the Giants because of Gettleman.

He reports what he hears and believes isn't BS. The fact that he's hearing positive things on Judge is better than the alternative.

In comment 14771941 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14771912 pjcas18 said: Quote: and show me Jay Glazer's comments when the Giants hired McAdoo and Shurmur and once I see those I'll have an opinion about these comments. Otherwise, whatever, people say stuff. I'd rather it be positive than negative, but I don't give it much weight. Does that mean his information is incorrect or that the results stunk? Big difference. Now I don't expect to hear anything negative so whatever he heard or said about Shurmur was likely legit, it just didn't workout.

He references no one, who knows if his information is correct or not. But that's not my point.

It doesn't matter is my point. Has ZERO bearing on the on-field results and three years from now there might be a thread citing Glazer with commentary on the next coach and how great everyone (unnamed) thinks he is.

When people say positive things about something they like, people usually react one way, when people say negative things about something they like usually people react differently.

none of it matters.

On here you have two threads with contrasting content. One I started about the Ahtletic panel who ranked the NFC coaching hires. Judge was ranked last.

A different thread has Glazer with commentary from unnamed sources praising the Judge hire.

In the Athletic thread lots of "this is stupid", "this is meaningless", "who cares none of these people know Judge".

In the Glazer thread "Glazer is the only one connected" "I always like Glazer" "Glazer is legit"

just a little study in confirmation bias.

Point is - none of it means anything. But some of it is nice to hear. I'm at a point where I don't care about the nice to hear (or bad to hear). Not quite Greg in LI territory but cynical enough I'll wait for the results.

but its enjoyable to hear. I'd rather he say this than the alternative.

is innovative and knows how to get the most out of his players and coaches. He still has to get the right personnel for those jobs. Lets see how he does that, before we get carried away here. The names mentioned here for his staff for instance do not impress so far.

just a little study in confirmation bias.

I think its a little more nuanced than that, the athletic seems to be basing their rankings strictly on resumes, fine. whereas guys like glazer are giving more general opinion on the hire, which obviously shows our new coach in a better light.

yes the proof will be on sundays come fall, but im tired of the in-fighting on here. We could all use some positivity, there is no need to make some grand declarations on our ability to reason. we are fans afterall, right?

I didn't post on that thread but a lot of that was absolutely name recognition. I don't expect the entire NFL to know about Joe Judge but I do expect that the people Glazer talked to that knew him spoke glowingly of him.

I find it reasonable to believe Glazer on most things due to his track record all while questioning the opinions of the masses in some generic poll.

In comment 14771907 Eric from BBI said:

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but I was always under the impression that Glazer's "breakthrough" came because Strahan was feeding him information. If true, he took that and ran with it, getting more player and team sources and finally getting a national gig.

This sounds about right. He latched onto Strahan, and got credibility via him and stayed a straight forth info guy. Built trust in the industry

In comment 14771955 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14771941 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 14771912 pjcas18 said: Quote: and show me Jay Glazer's comments when the Giants hired McAdoo and Shurmur and once I see those I'll have an opinion about these comments. Otherwise, whatever, people say stuff. I'd rather it be positive than negative, but I don't give it much weight. Does that mean his information is incorrect or that the results stunk? Big difference. Now I don't expect to hear anything negative so whatever he heard or said about Shurmur was likely legit, it just didn't workout. He references no one, who knows if his information is correct or not. But that's not my point. It doesn't matter is my point. Has ZERO bearing on the on-field results and three years from now there might be a thread citing Glazer with commentary on the next coach and how great everyone (unnamed) thinks he is. When people say positive things about something they like, people usually react one way, when people say negative things about something they like usually people react differently. none of it matters. On here you have two threads with contrasting content. One I started about the Ahtletic panel who ranked the NFC coaching hires. Judge was ranked last. A different thread has Glazer with commentary from unnamed sources praising the Judge hire. In the Athletic thread lots of "this is stupid", "this is meaningless", "who cares none of these people know Judge". In the Glazer thread "Glazer is the only one connected" "I always like Glazer" "Glazer is legit" just a little study in confirmation bias. Point is - none of it means anything. But some of it is nice to hear. I'm at a point where I don't care about the nice to hear (or bad to hear). Not quite Greg in LI territory but cynical enough I'll wait for the results.

I'm in the exact same boat as you PJ. I saw a comment by Greg on another thread that was actually quite contrary for him. He stated, similar to what you have said that, yeah great he's 'out of the mold' 'young' 'comes from BillB and Nick S programs', etc and it that means nothing but he's optimistic. After the last 6 or so years, three head coaching hires and a multitude of media positivity and subsequent poor results, I'm holding off excitment until we win a few games. Unitl they do that, its all talk......put like Greg (and you I believe), as a Giants fan I'm optimistic.

It doesnt mean anything, but its somewhat reassuring.

Granted there wasn't much in the way of talent, but the wideouts with the exception of Edelman seemed lost half the time. This gives me pause with respect to Judge's ability to teach and coach. Judge is impressive in a press conference, but I'm not ready to jump into the deep end of optimism just yet.

or that Shurmur was out and Gettleman was in. Or tons of other stuff. He's usually the most accurate guy out there.

As to whether or not his sources are correct or not that's a different thing. I'd highly doubt he's making shit up though.

As opposed to some other Giants Beat Writers (Vacchaino, Raanan).

Glazer hinted at the Giants trading OBJ and then it actually happened when nobody expected it. He has credible inside sources. If he says something, I'm inclined to believe it.

So do I for the most part.

I disagreed somewhat with his comment about special team coaches needing to be great motivators to get guys to pay well. I assume most special teams players realize their ability to remain on an NFL roster depends on how they perform on specials. That's what motivates them.

In comment 14771826 jcn56 said:

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but do we consider Glazer an unbiased source, when he's basically the unofficial mouthpiece of the Giants? I like the hire, and thought the guy had an interesting background from the second they added him to the interview list, but for a guy who was known to be so phenomenal, it's weird that you didn't hear more about him when he was listed as a candidate.

He’s relaying what we been told. Zero reason to doubt this. Nothing is set in Stone but if we are going to get an up and comer I’ll take the guy who worked under Bill B and Saban at this point. And like Glazer says. His DNA Is to use want he has. It’s been said here often enough. No more system first guys. Please for the love of God. This guy fits that. Even if there are bumps. He may even fail but for once the Giants actually went outside the box. Something people here have been screaming for.

Again Glazer has a great rep around the NFL. .

In comment 14772647 GeofromNJ said:

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Granted there wasn't much in the way of talent, but the wideouts with the exception of Edelman seemed lost half the time. This gives me pause with respect to Judge's ability to teach and coach. Judge is impressive in a press conference, but I'm not ready to jump into the deep end of optimism just yet.

Its one year of coaching WRs versus five years of consistently very good to league best special teams units.

In comment 14772949 BlueVinnie said:

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So do I for the most part. I disagreed somewhat with his comment about special team coaches needing to be great motivators to get guys to pay well. I assume most special teams players realize their ability to remain on an NFL roster depends on how they perform on specials. That's what motivates them.

Most special teams players don’t consider themselves special teams players. They consider themselves cornerbacks, linebackers, tight ends, etc. You need a good coach to get them focused and motivated on specials.