One name that we heard who was involved in all the coaching interviews was not Tisch, though he claimed he was going to get more involved go forward.
The interview committee was John Mara, Dave Gettleman, and Kevin Abrams. Tisch came in at the end to interview Judge.
Now, we've talked about this a few times on BBI over the years, that Abrams was likely the next GM and it fits the way the Giants have done business. Once George Young took over, we saw the Giants start to build continuity in the front office. Ernie Accorsi helped bring in Bill Belichick to the Browns in 1991 and he resigned after 1992. The Giants brought him in as an assistant GM to George Young to help him with the salary cap in 1994. Ultimately, Accorsi was tapped to replace Young in 1998 as GM when George left to go the NFL front office.
From 1998 - 2006, Accorsi was the GM and in that time, he started to build up his own front office, which included Chris Mara, brought in Gettleman in 1999 and had Jerry Reese. In 1999, the Giants also brought in Abrams as their "capologist".
Accorsi leaves after 2006, elevates Reese to GM, but Gettleman, Mara, and Abrams all stay, with Abrams taking on more responsibility as assistant GM.
Of course, as we know, Gettleman leaves to go Carolina, but Mara and Abrams continue to stay under Reese until he's fired in 2017 and Gettleman is brought back.
So now let's fast forward to last week after Shurmur is fired. Mara decides to keep Gettleman, but "put him on notice". The Giants start their interviews and Abrams is in with Mara and Gettleman in all of them. The old saying is, you don't want a GM to inherit a coach. You want the GM to pick his coach otherwise everything is out of whack. Well, Abrams was part of this discussion and the decision making team. That means he was aligned with the Joe Judge pick.
Personally, I see a George Young or Ernie Accorsi exit for Gettleman in the next year or 2 (tops). Young left after winning the NFC East in 1997 after years of people telling him he lost touch with the NFL. Ernie also had something similar and he left after an NFC East title in 2005 and a playoff berth in 2006 (and he really built the core of the team that won the championships).
So if Gettleman is only around for another season, and you are linked to Judge for at least 3 years, it stands to reason that Abrams has to be the next GM. I can't see any other way that changes.
It would seem that as of right now, Judge-Gettleman-Abrams are all in lockstep.
The fact that he was one of only three people in all of the interviews suggests strongly to me that he is our next GM.
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He and his staff have scouted this year's class, he can help with the transition of JJ who is new to headcoaching, and he can take a few months to get Abrams fully up to speed on current details.
I always believe he was brought in to make the hard choices, clean up Reese's mess and the salary cap issues, and get them into the position they are in now...
Abrams is DEFINITELY being groomed as the GM of the future. he started taking a more active role in scouting and evaluation several years ago as well.
I think it will depend on how gettleman leaves. If gettleman is fired, then I can see the giants wanting to interview a few people, although Abrams might be part of the ones they interview.
Of course if gettleman steps away, then Abrams is an easy answer.
Is your day not complete unless you find a way to shoehorn "Jints Central" or "Giants Way" into a comment?
Mara brought in Gettleman knowing he'd only be around a few years to let him do the unpopular stuff and be the bad guy. Once the hard stuff is done, let Abrams take over with a clean slate.
The fact that he was one of only three people in all of the interviews suggests strongly to me that he is our next GM.
If this team has two more consecutive losing seasons, I'd love to hear how Mara will sell them promoting from within when they boot Gettleman. It's not happening. He's the GM in waiting if they can do it. At this point, I don't see a way to promote from within.
I do think, smartly, the Giants are trying to make sure he's prepared so they have a succession plan and can replace Gettleman as quickly and seamlessly as possible.
But no, I don't think anything is cemented.
that would be very short-sighted.
Here is what it says on his bio on Giants.com
Abrams is the team’s primary negotiator for player contracts, works with the college and pro personnel departments to evaluate players in preparation for the NFL Draft and free agency, and is responsible for managing the Giants’ salary cap, football data analytics, player engagement, related strategic planning for football operations and compliance with the NFL’s Collective Bargaining Agreement.
In July of 1999, Abrams was hired to fill the newly-created position of salary cap analyst. He came to the Giants from the NFL Management Council, where he helped to monitor the league-wide salary cap and analyzed all new player contracts with respect to the rules and regulations of the Collective Bargaining Agreement...
Based on this a few things stick out. Yes, there is the cap part of it and he is a numbers guy. But it looks like he's in charge of football analytics and is involved in player evaluation for free agency and the draft. We've joked about the 4 computer guys, etc. But it's critical that the GMs go forward can embrace and understand the analytics part of it. It looks like, based on this, Abrams is that guy. Also, with the upcoming CBA, it's not the worst thing to have your GM fully understand all the implications.
You realize that the NYG brass you love to shit on on a daily basis...made this decision right?
I definitely think this is the plan. Makes total sense if Judge rights the ship and has us contending for years to come.
He was never the same GM after that. And man we lost 3/4s of our starting secondary to it.
You realize that the NYG brass you love to shit on on a daily basis...made this decision right?
I agree with this. I've said the decision to go out of that box for Judge was indeed praiseworthy. Of course it comes on the heels of consecutive poor choices, but it's at least daring.
He was never the same GM after that. And man we lost 3/4s of our starting secondary to it.
His inability to look at the draft and maneuver quickly also hurt him. That we read the story about Cedric Jones last year or whatever that the Giants literally had no plan in case their first 4 targets were gone (Keyshawn, Hardy, Ogden, or Rice) and they were picking 5th, assuming that Lawrence Phillips would get picked is mind numbing. Even worse, once they went in that order, they tried to trade down and all someone would offer was some throwaway insulting pick (I thought it was a 7th or whatever) and they just threw Cedric Jones out there.
It also didn't help that his 2 main competitors were the Cowboys and 49ers. The Cowboys were already a dynasty and Jimmy Johnson was already ahead of the curve as a wheeler/dealer. The 49ers just straight friggin cheated with Carmen Policy circumventing the cap and getting in trouble later, but not after they won a Super Bowl.
The Niners were shady as shit to win in 1994 and it finally caught up with them in 1997. But at the end of the day, their practices to win a title cost them a 3rd and a 5th. Basically the cost of Eli Apple.
Young couldn't keep up with it all.
Ernie passed the torch to Reese successfully until Marc Ross screwed up the drafts and DG stopped being the key pro personnel guy.
I too thought DG was a 3 or 4 year deal. So if DG and staff do well this year, the torch probably gets passed to Abrams. If not, then the front office gets blown up.
*IF* they win with Judge, you can promote Abrams while also giving Judge more power with personnel. Go outside the organization if you want to to replace Abrams at that time with what his current role is now.
He and his staff have scouted this year's class, he can help with the transition of JJ who is new to headcoaching, and he can take a few months to get Abrams fully up to speed on current details.
You know that IS a possibility. They never said how long Gettleman was staying. He could work with Abrams to get the team through Free Agency and the draft and then step aside. I am one of the few who like Gettleman, but I would be fine with that scenario. His strength is clearly scouting and the draft.
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He never accepted it. Never learned to work with it. Fought it rather than accepting it.
He was never the same GM after that. And man we lost 3/4s of our starting secondary to it.
His inability to look at the draft and maneuver quickly also hurt him. That we read the story about Cedric Jones last year or whatever that the Giants literally had no plan in case their first 4 targets were gone (Keyshawn, Hardy, Ogden, or Rice) and they were picking 5th, assuming that Lawrence Phillips would get picked is mind numbing. Even worse, once they went in that order, they tried to trade down and all someone would offer was some throwaway insulting pick (I thought it was a 7th or whatever) and they just threw Cedric Jones out there.
It also didn't help that his 2 main competitors were the Cowboys and 49ers. The Cowboys were already a dynasty and Jimmy Johnson was already ahead of the curve as a wheeler/dealer. The 49ers just straight friggin cheated with Carmen Policy circumventing the cap and getting in trouble later, but not after they won a Super Bowl.
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Three years after salary-cap violations by the 49ers were suspected, NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue announced the settlement. Policy will pay $400,000 and Clark $200,000. The 49ers agreed to pay $300,000 and surrender their fifth pick in the 2001 draft and third selection in 2002. The settlement, made with the agreement of the NFL Players Association, also calls for the player agents involved--Leigh Steinberg, Jeff Moorad and Gary Wichard--to contribute $350,000 to charities. But the players involved will get their money, and it won't count against the 49ers' salary cap, an apparent oversight in the settlement procedure. The league then decided to increase its power to punish future violations by allowing for suspensions of a year, fines of up to $3.5 million, and the loss of two No. 1 draft choices.
The Niners were shady as shit to win in 1994 and it finally caught up with them in 1997. But at the end of the day, their practices to win a title cost them a 3rd and a 5th. Basically the cost of Eli Apple.
Young couldn't keep up with it all.
History repeated itself with Apple. The Giants will deny it, but I am convinced that they had 10 players identified and one was Tunsil. They were thinking Floyd or Conklin. They got picked 8 and 9 via trade up. Tunsil fell to them because of the smoking video. They could not pull the trigger. Their 10 guys were gone. There was no plan to trade down and they got stuck with Apple. Tunsil was picked 13th. There was a big dropoff from pick 10 to 11.
The picks were:
Rams (traded from Titans) - Jared Goff​, QB, California
2. Eagles (traded from Browns) - Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State
3. Chargers - Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State
4. Cowboys - Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State
5. Jaguars - Jalen Ramsey, CB, Florida State
6. Ravens - Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
7. 49ers - DeForest Buckner, DT, Oregon
​8. Titans (traded from Browns from Dolphins from Eagles) - Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State
9. Bears (traded from Buccaneers) - Leonard Floyd, LB, Georgia
10. Giants - Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State
11. Buccaneers (traded from Bears) - Vernon Hargreaves, III, CB, Florida
12. Saints - Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville
13. Dolphins (traded from Eagles) - Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss
14. Raiders - Karl Joseph, S, West Virginia
15. Browns (traded from Titans from Rams) - Corey Coleman, WR, Baylor
16. Lions - Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State
17. Falcons - Keanu Neal, S, Florida
18. Colts - Ryan Kelly, C, Alabama
19. Bills - Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson
20. Jets - Darron Lee, LB, Ohio State
21. Texans (traded from Redskins) - Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame
22. Redskins (traded from Texans) - Josh Doctson, WR, TCU
23. Vikings - Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
24. Bengals - William Jackson III, CB, Houston
25. Steelers - Artie Burns, CB, Miami
26. Broncos (traded from Seahawks) - Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis
27. Packers - Kenny Clark, DT, UCLA
28. 49ers (traded from Chiefs) - Joshua Garnett, G, Stanford
29. Patriots (forfeited)
30. Cardinals - Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Ole Miss
31. Panthers - Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech
32. Seahawks - Germain Ifedi, OT, Texas A&M
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In comment 14772454 Sean said:
*IF* they win with Judge, you can promote Abrams while also giving Judge more power with personnel. Go outside the organization if you want to to replace Abrams at that time with what his current role is now.
Just like it was cemented that Garrett would be the HC.
But I don't think some of the nabobs of negativity will own up to thinking that way.....
There is no chance this ever happens.
I agree completely and stated as much on other posts. I understand not naming the HC as GM and having to deal with off-field issues i.e. contracts and cap issues. However, I've never understood the typical NFL model of the GM being the personnel guy. Seems like the HC should have the power regarding the final 53 and also a much larger voice in final draft decisions. The HC would just have to understand their are cap issues and such that come into play in those decisions and take his GM's recommendations into consideration.
I always believe he was brought in to make the hard choices, clean up Reese's mess and the salary cap issues, and get them into the position they are in now...
Abrams is DEFINITELY being groomed as the GM of the future. he started taking a more active role in scouting and evaluation several years ago as well.
That's an interesting take, blueblood.
I would think so.
As it happens the BW way and the Terps way have yet to win any.