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Go On Record About Chase Young vs Trade Down

Saos1n : 1/10/2020 4:21 pm
Let me paint the picture, for you, before I pose the question

Draft night is here. Goodell announces the Bengals are on the clock. The pundits make it sound like there is a decision looming at #1, but we know there isnít. After a few minutes,

Burrow goes #1. During the hat and jersey ceremony, Rapoport comes on the air speaking about buzz about some teams trading up to 2, for a QB, as well as 3 is in play.

***Trade***
Miami deals up from 5 and selects Tua

Rapoport comes back on talking about how the deal was in the works since the combine, but heated up in recent weeks. Watch out for 3, because you Tua and Burrow arenít the only QBs that are coveted. A few minutes passes,

***Trade***
Raiders deal up from 12, to #3 and selected Herbert.

Here we are. The unthinkable has happened. Chase Young has fallen into our laps. That Washington win didnít cost us after all!


Gettlemanís phone rings. A team, perhaps the Jets or Colts, are interested in dealing up for Young. The offer is their first this year, along with their 2nd and a 2nd next year. They wonít budge on a 1st rounder next year.

Are you missing out on Young for the extra draft capital? Whatís the least you would take to deal down to the 11-20 range?

While I donít see the above happening, I wouldnít discount the chances that there is movement above us, which could create some hysteria. With the amount of teams needing QBs in the 5-9 range, teams could fall back and still get supreme talent at positions of need.
Take Young  
HMunster : 1/10/2020 4:27 pm : link
And donít look back.
Chase Young is NOT LT....  
x meadowlander : 1/10/2020 4:27 pm : link
...GIANTS SUCK. You TRADE DOWN if a deal is there.
Stay put  
Default : 1/10/2020 4:28 pm : link
draft D'Andre Swift
No, pick Young  
JonC : 1/10/2020 4:28 pm : link
That said, I doubt the best player in this draft is there at #4.
Too small of a compnesation  
jvm52106 : 1/10/2020 4:29 pm : link
for the projected best player in the draft (outside of the QB position). I would need a 1 and 2 this year and a 1 next year for sure.

Now, are we a 3-4 or a 4-3? I have reservations about Young playing OLB in a 3-4.
Remember Judge's comments on being multiple  
JonC : 1/10/2020 4:30 pm : link
and not tied to one particular scheme.
RE: Chase Young is NOT LT....  
Leg of Theismann : 1/10/2020 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14772410 x meadowlander said:
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...GIANTS SUCK. You TRADE DOWN if a deal is there.


Hell no. TWO 2nd-rounders is not enough to move up 8 spots that high up in the draft (up to #4 from #11 or #12). That's a terrible deal for the Giants especially because they'd be missing out on the best player in the draft and a special talent. IMO you only consider it if Young and Okudah are both gone and you judge that the remaining talent is more even, and even then I'd say you start the conversation at THREE 2nd rounders and go from there.

The Jets traded THREE 2nd rounders to move from #6 to #3 in 2018, there's no way we're letting them go from #11 up to #4 for just TWO 2nd rounders.
Ignore chase  
cokeduplt : 1/10/2020 4:34 pm : link
Young somehow falls to 4 and the giants donít take him Iíll lose my mind
If  
cokeduplt : 1/10/2020 4:35 pm : link
Not ignore
Draft value chart aside  
Biteymax22 : 1/10/2020 4:37 pm : link
If he was there and I was on the clock, I'd want more than 2 second rounders for him.
Trade down  
bradshaw44 : 1/10/2020 4:39 pm : link
We are building a team not collecting talent. That's per Judge as you all know. But it felt like a good spot to reference it.
Only trade if you get two one's  
uconngiant : 1/10/2020 4:40 pm : link
and then a two at the very least
I would trade back  
Oscar : 1/10/2020 4:40 pm : link
That said I doubt anyone trades up for a non-QB.

Have made my peace with not getting Chase Young, happy with whoever they pick, team has a lot of holes.
As improbable as two trades before pick 4 is  
WillieYoung : 1/10/2020 4:40 pm : link
Someone wanting to trade up for Young at 4 is even more improbable
RE: Draft value chart aside  
Saos1n : 1/10/2020 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14772432 Biteymax22 said:
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If he was there and I was on the clock, I'd want more than 2 second rounders for him.


Perhaps more, but my point was next years 1st wouldnít be on the table. I think the majority of people would accept that. Itís all hypothetical, obviously. Just wondering where everyoneís head is at with Young and what it would take for them to pass
RE: As improbable as two trades before pick 4 is  
Saos1n : 1/10/2020 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14772438 WillieYoung said:
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Someone wanting to trade up for Young at 4 is even more improbable


Iíll agree with you there, but I will say, I believe Tua goes before our pick and Herbert goes in the top 10. And if those two things can happen, while unlikely, the above scenario is possible

Hard to answer because Young didn't dominate down the stretch.  
81_Great_Dane : 1/10/2020 4:43 pm : link
Against the better teams, like Michigan and Clemson, he was good but not great.

If you've scouted him and have decided he's a better prospect BY FAR than any of the linemen on the board, yeah, you take him and don't look back.

If the team calling you is willing to overpay (more than fair value), make the trade.

If the team calling you is offering fair value, you have to game out the worst-case scenarios and figure out if you are willing drop that far down your board to get another guy in the 2nd. Maybe you are. If you get a 2nd this year you can probably address three of: ER, OT, OC and WR, all in the first two rounds. That would be tempting.
If by some miracle Chase Young is still on the board when we pick...  
Klaatu : 1/10/2020 4:54 pm : link
I would at least hope that DG would pick up the phone and entertain some offers.

Unless, of course, Young has also been touched by the hand of God.
You draft Young  
Gman11 : 1/10/2020 5:01 pm : link
and hope he doesn't pull a hammy in training camp.
Chase Young trade down  
nochance : 1/10/2020 5:07 pm : link
If I wanted to trade down for 2 extra 2's It wouldn't be with the Jets. Could you imagine the shit you would have to hear if he became all world and took them to the SB!
RE: If by some miracle Chase Young is still on the board when we pick...  
Saos1n : 1/10/2020 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14772466 Klaatu said:
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I would at least hope that DG would pick up the phone and entertain some offers.

Unless, of course, Young has also been touched by the hand of God.


Well done! *applause*
Easy choice....draft Young  
George from PA : 1/10/2020 5:22 pm : link
Trade back....if blue chippers are gone.

I suspect it is more likely the 2 bluechipper goes 2 and 3....i doubt Redskins forgo Young....and Lion take the corner.

And our phone starts ringing for QBs.

Miami hoping Tua falling to 5....won't happen....i would love a simple swap with Miami....

And double tap...2nd small trade down
Fix the OL first and formost  
BobR in Durham : 1/10/2020 5:22 pm : link
If Chase Young is the next LT, then take him. If not, then you get as many chances as possible to select top OL talent. The state of our OL killed Eli and it will will doom DJ if not addressed. There are a few holes in our defense that need to be fixed at some point, but if the OL is not fixed to be dominant, our offense will continue to sputter. FIX the OL!
not without sweetening the pot with a pretzel and hotdog  
V.I.G. : 1/10/2020 5:26 pm : link
kidding aside - to be honest, i've only watched Chase Young recently when he hasnt shown that all world stuff so I would take the picks. but if they believe he can be a julius peppers type - you take him.
irrelevant he won't be there  
Torrag : 1/10/2020 5:27 pm : link
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If Okudah is gone I'd consider Simmons but probably trade down...  
Torrag : 1/10/2020 5:28 pm : link
No further than Jax #9. Draft OT. Draft OC in Round 2.
I'd  
AcidTest : 1/10/2020 5:29 pm : link
be stunned if that happened. Two second round picks wouldn't be enough to get me to trade down if Young was available.
So a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year for Chase Young?  
Mike from Ohio : 1/10/2020 5:36 pm : link
That would be a hard pass for me. Draft Young.
RE: irrelevant he won't be there  
Saos1n : 1/10/2020 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14772511 Torrag said:
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I doubt it, as well. Crazier things have happened. What makes this draft unique, is teams 2-4 donít need QBs. Teams 5-7, you could argue, do.

In most drafts, those teams are not that close together. Moving up from 5, 6 or 7, wonít be as costly as it would be in most drafts.

We will see, come draft night
Lenard Williams was supposed to be the best player in the Darft  
Rudy5757 : 1/10/2020 5:41 pm : link
a few years back and fell to 6. If he is a special player you take him. If not you trade if you can. A pass rusher is hard to let slip through your fingers
no  
MarkT : 1/10/2020 6:01 pm : link
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For me the issue is our OL is still not right  
RobCrossRiver56 : 1/10/2020 6:02 pm : link
While I would love a defensive stud at #4, if we don't have an OL and support our best 2 skill players in Barkley and Jones than whats the point? I think we have to focus on the OL and then everything else is gravy. At least this year anyway.
Wouldnít trade down  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/10/2020 6:12 pm : link
For that package.
It's a silly hypothetical  
Matt M. : 1/10/2020 6:13 pm : link
I would be all for trading down, not both for that package. So, with your already highly improbable scenario, I would take Young.

But, in reality, I would be very open to dealing. I would even be open to another pick at #4
The scenario is impossible  
Jimmy Googs : 1/10/2020 6:13 pm : link
because Gettleman wouldn't have his phone on...
But I would be very flexible this year in trade-down thinking  
Jimmy Googs : 1/10/2020 6:18 pm : link
There will be plenty of action for QBs and possibly Young at the top of the draft and we could find ourselves in an unique situation to get a decent package (above market).

We need upgrades in numerous places folks and the rookie contracts of Barkley and Jones will run out sooner than you want.

The idea of grabbing several red-chippers vs one blue-chip and stair-step the starting roster's talent.

Oh and by the way, Young isn't all that and a bag of chips...
Take Young  
WillVAB : 1/10/2020 7:28 pm : link
If heís the ER everyone thinks he will be, thatís the kind of player who warrants at least 2 firsts plus picks. Iíd rather have a premier ER.
Easy  
Jay on the Island : 1/10/2020 7:31 pm : link
Chase Young. Unless a team blows the Giants away with a trade offer they can't afford to pass on Young. It's irrelevant because Young is not falling to 4.
Trades  
OC2.0 : 1/10/2020 7:52 pm : link
Question is are the phins willing to go all in on Tua with his injury history? Plus they wouldn't have to move up to 4 unless DG told them his phones are lit up.
As for Oak. I don't think they'd take a QB @ 12. They need WRs in the worst way.
Trades  
OC2.0 : 1/10/2020 7:52 pm : link
Question is are the phins willing to go all in on Tua with his injury history? Plus they wouldn't have to move up to 4 unless DG told them his phones are lit up.
As for Oak. I don't think they'd take a QB @ 12. They need WRs in the worst way.
RE: The scenario is impossible  
Percy : 1/10/2020 8:06 pm : link
In comment 14772562 Jimmy Googs said:
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because Gettleman wouldn't have his phone on...

Perfect answer.
4 of top 6 teams need QBs  
bc4life : 1/10/2020 8:12 pm : link
Bengals, Lions, Dolphins, Chargers - 2 immediately, 2 near future.

Burrow, maybe Tua top 5. Herbert? One thing the Daniel Jones picked showed was that a team may well have a different view of the rankings.

Redskins could take an OT or even Okudah. Young might be there.

If you trade down and still get a guy like Wirfs and pick up a 2nd and maybe a 3rd?
...;  
BleedBlue : 1/10/2020 8:33 pm : link
you wake up from your nap/dream and have a nice cup of tea.

Continue smoking crack  
section125 : 1/10/2020 8:49 pm : link
and start another unbelievable thread....No way DC passes on Young.
An exchange of 1st picks plus a 2nd this and next year  
montanagiant : 1/10/2020 9:12 pm : link
It is a ridiculous offer to move from 11 to 4. Take young or demand a player also
Need too much... Trade down  
nzyme : 1/10/2020 11:01 pm : link
and get picks.
My Lord if Young is on the board at 4...  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/11/2020 2:09 am : link
DG isn't answering the phone, no matter what.


And he'd be right.
Iím not on the WE HAVE TO HAVE CHASE BANDWAGON  
5BowlsSoon : 1/11/2020 8:51 am : link
I think the CB from OSU, Okoduh, is probably a better bet, ESPECIALLY if we can land a big name EDGE or DE guy in free agency. Donít forget, the possibility of us going back to the 4-3 is there too.
Trade Down if There's big Value  
Rafflee : 1/11/2020 6:56 pm : link
This team isn't going to a Superbowl if and because they Draft Chase Young. There is No LT anymore...the Best Defensive Players today can COMPLETE a Defense---not a Team. That Level of Defensive Superpower is not available individually or by unit.... mostly due to the rules of the game.

The Giants are at least 2 steps away from true contention. They need ballplayers...if they can trade value because someone is chasing a Pick, go get picks.
RE: For me the issue is our OL is still not right  
Rafflee : 1/11/2020 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14772551 RobCrossRiver56 said:
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While I would love a defensive stud at #4, if we don't have an OL and support our best 2 skill players in Barkley and Jones than whats the point? I think we have to focus on the OL and then everything else is gravy. At least this year anyway.
A+
Move down  
TommyWiseau : 1/12/2020 8:54 am : link
To 5 or 6 with Miami or LA Chargers. Let it be known to each team that the pick is up for grabs if Tua is there at 4 and let them outbid eachother. We drop to 5 or 6 and still get a top player plus some 2nd round picks that van be used on a Center and some help on defensr
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